Some new photos of Marilyn's pre-fame days reveal her Betty Page side. Tittie pics galore. How did she ever keep these under wraps? Can you imagine Loretta Young or Bette Davis doing this? Nice tits, by the way.
Being photographed topless is not the definition of a "cheap tramp," you lunatic misogynist.
Giving birth to a baby out of wedlock with a married man, putting it up for adoption, waiting months, and then adopting your own child and lying about it for 45 years is rather a better definition of "tramp," with the adjective "crazy" in front of it. And that's what Loretta Young did.
And some time you need to read Bette Davis' description of suckling Marlon Brando on her never-photographed tits all night while she was married. That's also, to some, something a tramp would describe.
I liked it
R1, you're Christian, or something, is that it? Ease up, dude.
More importantly: Where did you hear the story about Brando and Miss Davis? OMG! What a great story, I pray it's true. Reveal your sources.
It was in the 1940's, R1. At least Loretta was discreet when she whored herself out.
Loretta Young was a motherfucking hypocrite, everyone know this, with her little jar where you were supposed to drop coins every time you swore. Ick. My least favorite movie star of that era, Greer Garson being a close second.
R3, you're a Christian, or something, is that it?
Because that makes as much sense as what you said.
There sure are a lot of crooked-thinking asses on the DL.
Hey, the rent's due, you have no food.. who wouldn't drop their top for 50 bucks?
[quote] Can you imagine Loretta Young or Bette Davis doing this?
I know all about Loretta Young. And Bette Davis would have castrated any man that wanted to take trampy photos of her
This is very wholesome for the era -- pin-up art is only now becoming apreciated.
Wow, I was not expecting a beaver shot.
DL, Is there a difference between being an artists' model for paintings and posing nude for photos? Does it depend what the pics are for or where they end up? Would you consider nude photos for an art show less classy than being drawn in charcoal, for example?
she was radiant
Listen Babycakes, we know. In fact I'm quite certain this is common knowledge to anyone on god's green earth who gives a hoot.
Ethel, dear, isn't there a nose you should be picking?
Great pix of Monroe. She was totally juicy and radiant.
There are a lot of pictures of the very young Monroe taken by Earl Moran. She does look sort of cheap in them: her hair and makeup look low-rent.
But despite that, she's clearly already a great model--she really projects a lot of personality in these very cheesy set-ups.
I can't stop looking at this pic. It looks like it is two different women making believe they are in front of a mirror. Her face looks so different in the reflection. The mouth looks closed in the mirror whereas it is slightly opened in the front view. An optical illusion!
"her need for conquests and her personality disorders meant all relationships were doomed."
Gee, thanks, perfessor.
Can we have ONE appreciation thread without these dimestore shrinks?
And you, OP? And you?
Odd how she looks like Britney Spears in most of those early pics.
Or Britney looks like her .. you know what I mean ...
Modern implants didn't exist until 1962. Some plastic surgeons were doing injections and the implantation of some kind of sponge in the 50s. I was just wondering about her breast size increasing over the 50s. A lot of people think she had work but maybe it's weight.
Bette, at least when she was younger, was no prude about sex.
One biography quoted Warner Bros. staple Jack Carson about an incident at the Hollywood Canteen (which Davis had started so that servicemen on leave could meet and dance with movie stars).
A GI approached Carson and asked for an introduction to Bette, adding "I hear she fucks like a mink." Carson got angry and was about to tell off--if not punch--the GI, considering it a pretty ungrateful comment given all Bette had done for the military effort.
Then Carson started laughing, thinking "Well, ain't it the truth?"
It was no secret that Bette, while no slut, was not immune to the charms of the handsome, young servicemen who frequented the Canteen.
R44 - No she does not look like Britney.
R30, she looks like Tinker Bell in that pose.
Damn those sagging boobs!
Marilyn did not, did not EVER, resemble Britney Spears!
Marilyn loved to be photographed, even in silly costumes and poses. That's probably one of the reasons she was so photogenic. She loved the camera, and it loved her.
In her earlier photos, she had a lush, natural, fresh beauty. After she became "glamourized" her look changed altogether. Her hair was bleached (eventually bleached white), she had surgery on her nose and a chin implant and some dental work. She was plastered with heavy make-up. And voila! She was "Norma Jean" no longer; she was Marilyn Monroe, sex symbol extraordinare.
Look at her figure. Her thighs were huge! At least by today's standards they were. She also had quite a large behind. Her breasts weren't enormous but were very nice indeed. She had lots of flesh and it looked gorgeous on her.
She wasn't a "cheap tramp." But she had no inhibitions about being nude. And she really did, uh, get around. But a cheap tramp? No, not really.
She also had a bit of a belly.
"Gee, thanks, perfessor.
Can we have ONE appreciation thread without these dimestore shrinks?"
Not a "perfessor" or a "dime store" (two words) shrink, just a fan who has read every book on MM written since 1972.
In yer langage, she spread 'em and enjoyed it.
"Is it true that she had some sort of pre-silicone breast implants, or were her breasts larger after her pinup days from weight gain?"
Silicone injections into the breasts started in the early 1960s, and enclosed implants came along in the 1970s. If Marilyn's bust seemed to get bigger during the 1950s, it's probably because the studio wardrobe misses were stuffing more and more kapok into her bras.
Padding was at its height during the 1950s, when big boobs were in, surgery wasn't available, and actresses never showed their real boobs in public so nobody would hever know that an A cup had been padded up to a D.
r35 pretty much said it.
Cheap? I don't think so. Did she do a lot of these photos and maybe more to come - hell ya.
Was she a tramp - who uses that word nowadays?
Paris Hilton and Kim K made sex tapes just to become known with no greater ambition 50 years later.
Monroe seriously wanted to be an actress, and her story is sadly, well known. Norman Mailer wrote that she conquered the world that she could not use.
It is also well known from her own words that she was very pro-sex at a time when to say so would truly get you labelled a tramp.
Her pictures over the course of her life really do tell a story and that is what is most interesting - I think it is more than hindsight that retains her as so fascinating and special.
She was no diva and too complex a real woman for the gays to fully claim.
If she were still alive, she would be dead.
She is a bit of mystery.
I love MM but she did some hooking and "dirty" pictures when she was hungry, literally and figutativly.
So what? Her last photo shoot with Bert Stern was nude. Her last, unfinished film had a nude-ish swimming scene.
She liked being nude.
Oddly enough, the biggest clue that her death scene was staged was the fact that she WAS nude.
The silly chick always wore a bra to bed in hopes it would keep her toys perky. If Shelley Winters was right about her fucking Einstein in the 50s, he never explained gravity to her.
According to Lena Pepitone, Marilyn's maid in New York, Marilyn was stark naked at their first meeting. Pepitone was talking to some of Marilyn's staff, and suddenly Marilyn appeared in a doorway, "totally nude." Everyone was embarrassed, but Pepitone claimed she said "it's alright, we're all women here", and that broke the ice.
Pepitone said that Marilyn didn't like wearing clothes, ANY clothes, around the house, and that she lolled around naked in bed most of the day, talking on the phone or listening to photograph records or eating. She was married to Arthur Miller at the time; he holed up in his study "working" and they didn't much interact with each other all day. Pepitone's version of Marilyn depicts a very lonely (despite being married), depressed woman with no intellectual curiosity who drowned her sorrows in food and alcohol and pills.
Her tits are really small in that sepia-toned pic. They look like A cups (and very saggy for someone so young with no kids.) She does look thinner though. The later nudes I've seen of her she was about a C cup.
I guess she's right on the edge of adolescence here, and just coming into her remarkable looks.
R58, the Marilyn face is pretty evident in that pic, and she looks like she has a nice rack, but she's no more than 13/14 there.
I've always found her prettier in her late '40s pictures than the 'Classic' Marilyn of the '50s.
And these Earl Moran snaps are playful and rather sweet. She looks like she's enjoying herself. Whereas the Bert Stern photos creep me out. There she looks drugged and/or drunk.
Norma Jeane went to Mitchfest R58?
"I've always found her prettier in her late '40s pictures than the 'Classic' Marilyn of the '50s."
I like them both, R61, but the earlier ones were better.
Marilyn was not only a cheap tramp, she was also a dirty tramp. The worst kind.
I still say there are too many dime-store shrinks on this thread.
There, ya cunt, I hyphenated it.
She was above cheap.
Director John Huston, Marilyn Monroe, Louis Calhern and cinematographer Harold Rosson on the set of The Asphalt Jungle
She had great legs. A body part not given much attention these days, come to think of it.
Please, OP, those pics are tame compared to Hustler and the other shit today. They are actually very pretty and nothing grotesque or pornographic.
What a bunch of bitches, especially the OP. I bet you're bigger whores.
And you, OP, what joy and beauty have you brought into the world?
She really did have an amazing camera presence, you can even see it at r58 when she was a kid. She seems to give herself 100% to the camera's eye.
Could the person who mentioned her staged death elaborate? if she was such an airhead/bimbo, what's the big conspiracy surrounding her death? Seems like she'd been in a downward spiral a while when she died.
OP, did you clutch your rosary while typing this?
R48, Tink was modeled on MM.
The biggest "sex symbol" of the silent film era, Clara Bow, the "It Girl," carried on a correspondence with Marilyn. Bow handed over the "It" title to Marilyn, whom Bow saw as her true successor.
Likewise, the sex symbol of the early sound era, Mae West, also said that Marilyn was HER successor. For someone with as big an ego as West to say something like that is really something.
So it's official: Marilyn Monroe is THE sex symbol of Hollywood, period. And the OP is an idiot.
Thank you, r70!
[quote]So it's official: Marilyn Monroe is THE sex symbol of Hollywood, period. And the OP is an idiot.
I don't think Monroe was "the" sex symbol of Hollywood. She was certainly one of the most attention-getting ones, and the clash of her vulnerable, child-like persona and overt sexual appearance made her an unusual one. Her unhappy, abbreviated life contributed to her legend. But people tend to forget how incredibly popular and huge Clara Bow was. She wsa the "It Girl", one of the biggest stars back then. And before Monroe, there was Jean Harlow, THE sex symbol of her era. This was said about her: "other sex symbols/blonde bombshells have followed, but it is Jean Harlow who all others are measured against."
Monroe is still incessantly talked and written about simply because her life and death were such an abysmal mess. And of course her fucking the Kennedys made for endless conspiracy theories and tawdry gossip.
What horseshit. There is no explaining her appeal. She is timeless, no one really understands why. A hundred years from now, Marilyn will still be an icon and remembered.
"What horseshit. There is no explaining her appeal. She is timeless, no one really understands why. A hundred years from now, Marilyn will still be an icon and remembered.'
There's plenty explaining of her appeal. There have been dozens of books written about the subject. Lots of people "understand why" Marilyn Monroe became a star.
It was the contrast of being child-like and in your face sexual that gave her an edge, and added to the fact that she was a miserable, insecure basket case despite seemingly having everything that everybody covets (beauty, wealth, fame, movie stardom) that made for quite a devastating combination.
You seem like one of those nutty fans poor dead Marilyn seems to have a lot of.
I love the photos of Marilyn as a redhead. So fucking cute! Not gorgeous or hot but fucking CUTE. Like someone you just want to run up and hug because she's adorable.
And a redhead. We gingers rule.
Monroe's being a cheap tramp isn't a revelation. Anyway, a lot of actresses are cheap tramps. That profession attracts them.
She was a very expensive tramp. But tramp she was, no two ways about it.
I thought her nips would be better. do not like.
Come on guys, stop being fiends! She was a troubled woman trapped in her world. Show some respect baby brats!
Before becoming "Marilyn" she was one of the most successful print models out there. A big reason she couldn't catch a break is because they felt she was over exposed.
Anyway, forget the bios. The best books about Marilyn are the photo collections. She was radiant. Here are my fav pics of hers from her Norma Jean years.
[quote]Come on guys, stop being fiends! She was a troubled woman trapped in her world. Show some respect baby brats!
Why are most of Monroe's fans (fat) fraus? Like Jennifer Lawrence's fans they scream "I relate to her!" This is the sort of comment they typically make.
She was a tramp, whether you like it or not, darlin'. You're linking her naughty photos.
Gay men usually have better taste: Joan Crawford
She's just freaking adorable (and still Norma Jeane) in R91's photograph.
DUH. She never would have become a star if she wasn't so sexual in her pics. Her talent or lack thereof certainly didn't make her famous. Like many women before and after her, she used her looks and sex appeal to get ahead. I'm sure many of the women in the business at the time thought Marilyn was a ho.
*punches R94's chest
I don't relate to her but i like her a lot. She was a breathtakingly beautiful woman and my favourite performance of Marilyn is in The Misfits. She should get an Oscar nomination for that movie.
Post 94. And you dear are a insufferable bore...dalin.
And one more thing... darlin. Being a bitter cunt does not help your argument.In fact it makes it very easy to ignore you...darlin.
MM was alone - on the streets if you will. She didn't have the good fortune of a protective agent or family figure. She did what she had to do.
she was a drug addict who had numerous affairs with many married men let people love her and hold her in high esteem.
I dare to god hope the same does not happen to that wretched karadashian creature that seems to be wanting to emulating her. however she hasnt gotten it down 100 percent yet. no drug overdose for that little porker
These poses are very tame. American pin-up allure was the 'girl next door' type. Marilyn had to be convinced to pose nude for the legendary red velvet series by Tom Kelley, which were eventually bought by Hugh Hefner for Playboy. One requirement she insisted on was that Kelley's wife be present during the shoot to keep a sense of propriety.
"she was a drug addict who had numerous affairs with many married men let people love her and hold her in high esteem. I dare to god hope the same does not happen to that wretched karadashian creature that seems to be wanting to emulating her. "
That Kardashian creature seems to realize that fucking your way to the top has nothing to do with love. Monroe never got that one, she always thought her men would both help her career, and fill her bottomless pit of need with unconditional love.
Is this breaking news? 50 years ago maybe
Marilyn Monroe was, is and always will be Hollywood's Greatest Sex Goddess.