I know these HGTV shows are plotted. I wonder, do these guys deliberately leave out some major structural problem that they know about when they present the renovation plan? Because there is always some huge problem that eats away a good portion of the budget.
Like --- did you not check the plumbing by flushing the toilets and running the faucets before you told the couple to buy this house? Seriously? The entire underground plumbing needs to be replaced and you had no idea?
They are good looking, but are they retarded? Or does everybody really know about these big problems before they buy the house and start renovating?
I was thinking that today as I watched as well. The plumbing issues for that "crumbling house" were massive, and as knowledgeable as they claim to be, I don't understand it.
I am obsessed with Jonathan Scott's highlighted, helmet hairdo. How does he do it? A big glob of hair gel maybe?
Maybe this was covered in another thread, but they're both gay, right? Are they twins or just brothers? They're cute, but dull, dull, dull.
And they fix up maybe one or two rooms max spend 80k and the rest of the house is a crumbling mess
I've seen them plan to knock down a wall to make a tiny room part of the kitchen or whatever, then stand there with sledgehammers in their hands and go, "Ut oh, I think this might be a load bearing wall. I'd better have my contractor Joe check it out." And yeah, it's a wall that can't come down.
I mean, ????
I'm next to moronic when it comes to houses, but I know what joists are. I would be sure to check if I could knock a wall down before I could offer a reno plan.
It's all fake like the ohter HGTV shoes. They redo the entire house but only show a few rooms since there isn't time. They wanted to be actors but found they were gifted when it came to flipping properties. When they heard someone was hiring for this show they tried out and they were so good TPTB changed the show from a man/woman format to them. They must be making big bucks now that they have two shows on.
More specifically, are they gay? They do somewhat ping. I love that they are 6'5!!! Does anyone have info on them???
I felt so bad for that couple with the plumbing issues. Doesn't the show have a budget to pay for these kinds of things? I would have backed out, don't you have some time to back out of a home purchase? And why do they never mention that they're in Canada.
Do they really fix up the rest of the house as well? I've always wondered about that. I couldn't imagine them only renovating a couple of rooms and leaving the homeowners in crumbling mess.
One seems to be the "conservative" one and one the wilder "party boy" type. Shades of Patty and Cathy Lane! I also get the vibe that one is supposed to be gay or "questionable" while the other one more "traditional." And all done on purpose!
Love the twins. They hire out for entertainment shows specifically magic shows.
6'5" and hardly one full chin between 'em.
Ok Ive never seen this show so I'm kind of clueless. But did the people with the plumbing issues learn about it AFTER they bought the house? If so, didnt they get a pre-sale inspection?
It's scripted. The couples aren't believable, and they speak as if from a script.
I absolutely love those two. Total fantasy duo.
Really don't care about the homes. I just drool at them. Divoooon.
Every show I have seen they take a 19th century brownstone and try to make it look mid century modern. Why don't those people just buy a MCM house?
I've never seen them do a brownstone at all. They're in Canada and they do crumbling suburban homes.
Same with Love it or List It. Always a surprise that eats all the budget.
But I'd blow David the realtor.
I'd like to make their asses an open concept.
R16 They have brownstones in Canada too. I saw about 3 shows in a row and that is all they did. After that I lost all interest in them as I hate those kind of remuddles.
R18: That's funny!
I like them. I prefer Buying & Selling to the original Property Brothers but they do good work, though you can tell they have short fuses for putting up with bs. And they're Canadian, so probably uncut. Don't generally get a gay vibe at all but sometimes when they're flouncing around lighting candles and prettying things up before the couple comes home they can seem a little gay. BY THE WAY, there are 3 brothers and they all live in Las Vegas. What you're about to click on is VERY frightening. The Property Brothers before they got haircuts. O M F G
But it really was ridiculous when the guy turned on tje faucet and went, "Oh, slow drainage. We might have a problem here." like someone didn't have a home inspector come in and at least turn on the faucets and flush the toilets.
All of these shows also have phony deadlines.
"They absolutely must be living in the house in 3 days, so we have 48 hours to do all this work! And we just accidentally busted up a retaining wall right before we noticed the foundation cracks."
I just don't get the love for them.
[quote]They hire out for entertainment shows specifically magic shows.
Yes. The Magic of Gay Sex, actually.
As someone else stated, these guys were Canadians trying to break into the U.S. acting scene and tried out for this show. The 'contractor' brother isn't a contractor really. He's obviously learned some things but if you dig around the net, you'll eventually find pieces on how they were both trained in home design, style and remodeling for the show. I think they're both licensed realtors, in Canada.
It's just so painfully fake. My boyfriend and I like to watch them on weekend mornings when nothing else is on, but it's so obviously staged, etc.
The new formula for these HGTV shows seems to be finding hunky guys, working in a relative angle (because straight women, like many gay guys, apparently get panty moist looking at two 'hot' brothers/cousins/dad&sons etc.). Create a fake deadline, create a fake decision between three properties, etc...
HGTV is just all absurd home makeover reality shows now and commercials catering to stay at home middle class white women.
There is a third brother (older) that looks very different also, but I'm thinking he's the gay one. If it ain't him it's Drew - check out his eclectic/horrid wardrobe.
In one show they were remodeling a house with a beautiful stacked stone fireplace. That type of fireplace may not be in style or to everyone's taste, but it was in keeping with the age of the house.
They ripped it out and put in the most generic white woodwork surround and mantle. Then everyone oohed and ahhed about how beautiful it was.
It's gotta be fake. If I based my purchasing decision of a 500,000 pile of rat shit, on their assertions that htey would make it wonderful,and then the reno budget got cut in half because we couldn't get the price they projected and then in half again because this "deal" of a house needed all new plumbing, I'd beat one or both of them to death or at the very least sue them.
Didn't HGTV used to have ads for Lowes and ther home improvement businesses? Now it's all MiracleGro and yogurt commercials.
The best remodeling show is Rehab Addict with Nicole Curtis on DIY. She's this little bitty blond chick who knows her stuff. She tries to restore and honor the period of the house and usually works on a shoestring budget.
[quote]More specifically, are they gay?
Well one picks out lamps and pillows for a living. Also love how each couple just can't see how this big piece of shit could be a dream home and can't understand what the twins do as if they have never seen the show before.
I like on House Hunters when they show a couple a home and the bitchy wife without fail whines about something that is easily fixable ( a wall painted a color she doesn't like, the plumbing fixtures in a bathroom) as if it's a deal-breaker.
The standard last page of the script for each of these HGTV shows must read like this:
The host leads the couple into the house to reveal the makeover. The husband grins goofily while the wife says over and over: "It's amazing. It's amazing. That's amazing!"
Jonathan pings. The good looking one - Drew - does not at all.
[quote] I like on House Hunters when they show a couple a home and the bitchy wife without fail whines about something that is easily fixable ( a wall painted a color she doesn't like, the plumbing fixtures in a bathroom) as if it's a deal-breaker.
It's only been pointed out about 100 times already on Datalounge that the shows are scripted and the couples are encouraged to find fault with the homes.
They have already bought their home and are being shown two homes they never even considered.
The object of the show is to guess which house they chose. So they are encouraged to criticize the lack of --- granite, man cave, jack and Jill master bath, 10x12 walk-in closets, study, two car garage, huge landscaped backyard for the dog, finished basement, large laundry room.
They are also encouraged to criticize the presence of -- outdated kitchen, pink tiled bath, paint job, wallpaper, outdated fixtures, ugly front door, weeds, small closets, linoleum, laminated flooring, dirty carpets, ugly drapes.
And the men complain just as much about stupid things as the women do. ("But look at this back yard. There's no grass in it." Yeah. That's because grass seed, garden hoses and sprinklers haven't been invented yet.)
It's. A. Scripted. Show. They're trying to "fool" the audience into guessing which house they bought three months ago vs which two houses weren't even in their house search.
[quote] It's only been pointed out about 100 times already on Datalounge that the shows are scripted and the couples are encouraged to find fault with the homes.
Make that 101.
[quote]It's only been pointed out about 100 times already on Datalounge that the shows are scripted and the couples are encouraged to find fault with the homes.
Are you going to tell on us?
once layed a deuce on Suzanne Wong
Their giant horse teeth freak me out.
I would NEVER buy a house without having a house inspector come in. It seems they don't do this at all on Property Brothers. And I know these homes are in Canada but really, the $$$ that they pay for these pathetic homes is outrageous! I watched an episode on Sunday AM and both homes looked better suited for a slum. Just the thought of cockroaches and other insects in those homes creeped me out.
The series is a joke. I watch it only when I'm bored and need a good laugh. These brothers are hardly credible property experts.
I love that occasionally as the couple arrives for the reveal, you see the front of the home looking exactly like the crack house it was before the reno.
Seriously, those properties look condemned. I would pay for the land, but not the house.
At root is HGTV insistence on dumbing down everything and playing up "the drama." They leave these unforeseen circumstances purposefully unforeseen so as to throw a wrench in the works and heighten suspense.
Unforeseen events can be expected in extensive renovations, but you're right, a lot of what are shown as "surprises" could quite reasonably have been anticipated. Blame the producers.
I came to like the brothers specifically because they are so low-key by HGTV standards. The editors might spin dramatic turns and twists and surprises, but the brothers themselves don't truck much at all in that; oddly enough, they seem to stick to the strange notion that reality doesn't have to be supercharged to be "more real."
I have seen episodes on Cartoon Network that looked more realistic with their story plots and animation style than these 'Reality TV' HGTV shows.
When I first started watching HGTV it was real. They helped people straighten up their houses and apartements, garages, basements and attics. There were real people who did real things with real stuff. Then slowly it turned into a money fest with people I hate buying stupid houses I hate and being remodeled and furnished in a style I hate. I never watch any more but I did watch the first two seasons of Property Brothers for they slight eye candy.
I like House Hunters but I heard that it's not real, that is, one of the three homes has already been boughten but they look at the other two just for the show. Is that true?
Jonathan is consantly blogging about going to Broadway musicals and posing with his teeny dogs (see pic).
Not is he playing for our team, he is coaching.
So no one knows if one of these guys are gay? They are both really handsome!!! Especially the one who is the realtor!
They both ping to me. So, who's had 'em?
I want Sarah to come do my house, I'll take care of her ginger husband while she redecorates.
I love you R46
You have to remember that all those condemned houses for $500,000 are in Canadian Dollars so they are really $35,000.00 American!
When was the last time you checked an exchange rate, R52?
R52 has Canada confused with Mexico
[quote] I like House Hunters but I heard that it's not real, that is, one of the three homes has already been boughten but they look at the other two just for the show. Is that true?
Obviously a vicious rumor started by a competing channel or show. Maybe TLC?
If you dig around online a bit, you'll see these two are both aspiring "actors".
It's completely staged and faked. And they're insanely fugly guys. Especially the queen who frosts her hair.
If one is gay, probably Jonathan, who shaves his chest, if you look closely.
Drew's shirtless photos are widely available on the web.
Google it yourself, lazy!
Canadian Anus alert!
I think these shows should have a disclaimer. "Certain parts of the show contain dramatizations of real events which could happen to prospective home buyers, providing they are incredibly stupid and hire actors to help them buy and renovate a home instead of trained professional craftsmen."
Right on, R60 - Completely agree.
In the case of these two guys and their show, there's no way by this time that anyone appearing on their program doesn't realize that when they're walking through a fabulous house with everything they want, they're about to be told they can't afford/have it. That's a stunt which was probably fresh when they started out, but that's played out and tired at this point.
I could really get back into the show if it weren't so ridiculously faked. The "office" they have in the big skyscraper. The fiction that one is a real contractor and "designer" while the other is a serious, seasoned real estate broker. Funny stuff. Especially since they've both been hoping to break into the Hollywood scene for a while.
"Ut oh -- I'm afraid we didn't see the foundation crack that goes up to the roof over here on this side of the house. I'm afraid that might seriously affect our renovation budget. We're going to call in our friend Joe, who has a contracting business that knows stuff about foundations and cracks and roofs and things like houses.
Hi, Joe. Do you lie what you see here or is there a problem?"
"I'm afraid there's a problem, property brother number two. See this here thing? It's a ceee-ment crack. See the walls of this house? They're ceee-ment. The whole house seems to have shifted its base and needs to be extensively regrounded with digging and cranes and pulleys and pouring gray stuff into the ground. Then we're going to have o retire and put all new plumbing into the house."
"Joe, is this going to cost us a lot of money?"
"I'm afraid so."
"OK. So the complete regrounding of the house and the electrical and plumbing problems are going to cost us about three quarters of our renovation budget. But even worse, Jean needs to start her new job on Thursday, so they need to move in by Wednesday night. We're going to have to get all this done in 18 and a half hours. That means all hands on deck, so Jean and Mike are going to have to take sledgehammers and bang walls down between the kitchen and living room so we can get that open space plan they really want.
"OK, Jean and Mike. Now you must do the obligatory scene of homeowner-in-goggles-and-useless-face mask, banging out some sheetrock."
"As long as it gets us our open floor plan, property brother number one, it's fine with me. It's important I can watch the children do their homework while I'm in the kitchen talk to my dinner guests from the kitchen while entertaining,"
"Shouldn't the cooking be done by the time your guests arrive for dinner?"
"I suppose so, but we need the 'after' shot where I toss salad at my kitchen island while my guests sit in the dining area awkwardly awaiting the cue to clink wine glasses together in a toast to our new crack den..."
I like them better than Guy "Ferry" Fieri!!!
LOL @ R62!
This also seems like the formula used on Love It or List It, except the owners don't have the otherwise obligatory scene of knocking down walls.. They get to have the staged anger scene with the nice British woman who's there to "redesign" their existing home, only she too has found cracks in the cee ment foundation which is going to take up one to two thirds of their reno. budget, thus creating the scene of angered, tense homeowners.
Sorry for my typos. Bad headache.
Have they finally taken Holmes on Homes off the air? What a clusterfuck that show was. "We need to sell our house, but we think the bathroom renovation done in 1982 might not be up to snuff."
Holmes proceeded to rip apart the walls, the basement, the sub flooring, the rotted insulation. Then the wiring turned out to be dangerous, so half the house would need to be stripped to the studs....
Their sister channel Food Network used to be real too. Now that and HGTV are just BS reality shows that teach nothing and are totally scripted.
I don't think they make new episodes anymore, but I used to watch a show called "My House is Worth What?". Homeowners would consider making improvements but were reluctant to do so until told by a local realtor if they would get their money back if they sold the house. Well if they're not planning on selling, what difference does it make?
The sports realtor show is nausea-inducing.
How will Kato react to this $13m soho loft when it is only 1/5 the size of his glittering McMansion in Maryland!?
Scott has a nice body. Too bad he shaves himself down...
I would not kick Scott out of bed for eating chips
When moving on to the next house real estate women on HGTV say "we're leaving out." I've never heard this phrase in the US.
We're talking a realtor and a contractor. They don't want people to buy new houses. They want people to fix up dumps so that those prices are forced up, which also forces up prices for new construction. Who benefits from that? Realtors and contractors.
The Food Network's phony timelines are just as ridiculous. "Chefs, you have twenty minutes to make an appetizer out of curdled milk, hoarhound cough drops, book choy and oyster sauce."
"You have 15 minutes to make a cake out of Jordan almonds, lemongrass juice, aloe leaves and red chilis. You're inspiration is to be a puppy dog. "
[quote] When moving on to the next house real estate women on HGTV say "we're leaving out." I've never heard this phrase in the US.
"Paint out" and "change out" are two phrases I've only heard on HGTV. We just say we're going to paint the wall or change the fabric. Not "paint out" this wall and "change out" that sofa fabric.
Can someone explain to me why people in Canada can't find a decent house that doesn't have to made over when their budget is $700,000?
Scott should show his no no hole
These brothers are real, and do this for a living. I posted this link on the What Happened To HGTV thread as well.
My sister used a master carpenter in Austin to make a custom wall unit. The guy (who did a great job) had worked with the Property Brothers during the latest series which takes place in Austin. He told my sister they knew their stuff and though Jonathan obviously doesn't do all the work, a local team did the renovating, he knew what was going on and, surprisingly, actually did work himself and acted as project manager.
The carpenter also said both twins were really nice guys with no attitude at all. My sister neglected to ask if they set off the carpenter's gaydar (provided the carpenter has a gaydar..)
How many anuses have the brothers remodeled?
The housing prices are so high as they are only looking at houses in the Greater Toronto Area. Inflated housing values. Think New York City. Travel 30 minutes outside of Toronto and prices drop dramatically.
It's scripted/plotted/pre-arranged, OP.
And they are not good-looking.
Just a couple of everyday nobodies who are being trotted as new "stars" by corporate hacks.
I miss Sandra Rinomato and her bodacious ta-tas.
It is getting a little redundent watching buyers finding out about huge problems that they were not aware of when they purchased these "fixer upers"
Even if the house was redone perfectly in two or three rooms, the rest of the house is still a disaster. The neighborhoods are also horrid and the prices are totally unreasonable.
I would hate to have a realtor "advise" me to get into this huge mess. I feel sorry for the people watching who will actually take advise from these guys when the end result is always buying a money pit.
This isn't our house! Is THIS our house!!???
I live in Australia, and quite enjoy the Property Brothers in whatever incarnation HGTV throws out. I really want to believe they do what we see them do, and have integrity, or otherwise why haven't they been prosecuted and drummed out of the business?
I adore Scott McGillivray and his show "Income Property", as he comes across as providing genuine help and solutions for real people with honest building work. I feel quite disillusioned now after reading this blog. I do admit, however, that the completely dimwitted homebuyers are grating on my nerves; how can they not get the point that the 'before' house is going to be renovated, and end up as the 'after'? Ooh, this carpet is really awful, and what a horrible colour! But I do like watching the Brothers,because they are easy on the eye and likeable. I love reno shows for the 'after' pics. I can only stand so many 'amazings' though.
I think the Scotts are genuine. If you look up their web chats they are open about what goes on BTS. I'm sure there are plenty of other "tricks" but all in all they seem nice.
R47 I do agree about Jonathan. He's always "single", has two little prissy dogs he takes everywhere, and just found out his favorite artist is Mika, Lollipop Mika. I do think that he's really young looking and cute clean shaven. I'm sure he tries to look different, at least partly, due to the show.
I watch a lot of HGTV because my bf loves it, but when these guys come on, I can not get past the fact that they look like women-- relatively ugly, bearded and or stubbled women. Wow, after all these years, I think I "get" the idea of pointless bitchery.
"The open floor concept" is pushed on all their shows (and other shows). "Lets tear down this wall to make the room big so we can see our kids."
A lot of times it's a load-bearing wall, so that adds to the money drama. Even though the budget may be low they're always installing marble counters, which are not necessary. Kitchens have been using regular counters fine for decades. Marble is a glitzy rich thing. Also they replace appliances with high-end stainless steel all the time, another completely unnecessary added expense.
These shows ARE phony. Some of the destruction they do to perfectly good kitchens really annoys me. Just for the sake of screwing people out of their money to promote the taste of the show hosts.
Another phony show is Kitchen Cousins. Two EXTREMELY CUTE cousins doing the same thing. All I think about when watching them is how they look naked humping me. Don't care about the dumb couples they're screwing over.
what about House Hunters. is that real?
sometimes I wonder that as well, especially when it's a property that is almost down to the studs. But it's the knob and tubing electrical I wonder about. If the house is old, before you even give a contingency budget, have that checked.
Would love to have you guys give a check back on and special gift to the best two couples you worked with Morgan and Kristen and James and Tina. I've seen those two episodes over and over and each time I enjoy them and Jonathan working together for their outcomes. Do a special show and gift them something special on the renovation project that couldn't be done outside of the budget initially. Love you guys and KUDOS!
I discovered the Property Brothers this week. (I'm always late to the party!) I don't care how genuine the show is. I love, love, love them. Do you think they'd both be interested in marrying me?
No, R94, they wouldn't. It's just another HGTV fake renovation show. Glad you enjoy it, as long as there are people like you they will keep on making fraudulent shows like this.
I understand how House Hunter's is fake, but what about PropBros? How is that fake? I get that some of the dramatic moments, like discovering termites or asbestos is probably scripted, because what fool would buy a house where an inspection wouldn't turn up termites or asbestos. What are the giveaways that it's fake?
I think it's been very well covered in the thread already.
Sorry I don't see the "fakeness" of the show at all. The houses are checked out by inspectors before purchase so unforseen problems always arise.
I like them, their design, just wish they were here and not in Canada, I'd hire them.
those kitchen cousins are cute but the taste level of their work is the worst. Property bros are hit or miss .
Jesus, the thing I HATE the most isn't so much that the shows are scripted, but HOW they are scripted. They seriously make you want to punch the buyers in the face. Here was one I watched recently, House Hunters, I think:
Budget: $200,000 (yes, for real, that's all these rubes had to spend)
Husband: I want to be close to work. I want an open floor plan for "entertaining" and a big back yard for the dogs. We need four bedrooms for when family comes to visit. The house should have a two car garage and ALL the appliances and fixtures must be NEW. I can't stand anything old and dated.
Wife: I have to have a gourmet kitchen (granite and SS) and a finished basement for the kids. Oh...and the master bath should be like a spa--that one is non-negotiable.
These idiots only had 200 fucking thousand dollars to work with. I really don't know how realtors refrain from saying "give me a call when you get another $500,000, because until then you're just wasting my time."
Another vote for Nicole of Rehab Addict. She gets right in there and does the dirty work. And you can tell she knows her stuff. My only complaint is with the things she wears sometimes. I'm sure viewers (straight guys and lesbians, at least) love the eye candy, but c'mon. Who does demo work in a belly shirt and strappy sandals?
Have you noticed that the formula for all the newer flipping shows features a husband and wife team where the husband is an obnoxious, not very bright, macho alpha-male type and the wife is a blond bimbo with big fake tits prominently displayed?
Property Breeders is more like it.
Those two 'property brothers' douches are fugly Canadians who keep, somehow, getting shows on these U.S. home improvement shows.
They've had no less than three or four shows now, somebody, somewhere trying to make them happen. Meanwhile, people just don't appear at all interested in them.
One is/was a struggling actor if you research him. He did nothing with property until these shows. It's completely made up.
Notice how one is ALWAYS in a suit and the others ALWAYS in a flannel shirt?
Wish they'd go away already. Back to Canada.
Isn't it weird that their the brothers' last name is Property. Did they change it for the show? I've never encountered anyone with the last name Property.
[quote] It is getting a little redundant watching buyers finding out about huge problems that they were not aware of when they purchased these "fixer uppers"
It's all manufactured. If they didn't have problems the show would be 10 minutes long.
I don't mind that there's an element of scripted TV to it, but apparently creativity isn't in the budget at HGTV.
All of the shows - Love it or List It, HH and HHI - are all exact-ly the fucking same every single time.
And you can tell that they're being fed lines like "open concept." Connie from Cornwall, Iowa has no idea what open concept means. She wants a nice big winder to see down the holler.
I prefer "Furniture to Go" (1993 - 1997) over this show. Ed and Joe were the Best!
Ed was so inappropriately funny!
At the end of one episode, he impersonated Sally Struthers, showing a picture of her in her 'All in the Family' days, saying, "This is what I looked like before I turned into a Manatee."
In his next scene, he dons a 'Sally Struthers' wig and does a quick parody of her "Save the Children" ads, closing with, "Order now, I'm hungry!"
I thought they filmed in Canada therefore they couldn't be "fake". So they are filming in the US?
Goddamn, R107! I was thinking about their show a few days ago, and I was going crazy because I couldn't remember the name of it.
I remember those Sally Struthers bits. They were about a decade ahead of everyone, and have unfortunately been mostly forgotten.
That show sounds fun R17. I searched for episodes on line and there are none. I didn't watch HGTV then.
R62 - Not sure about the show, but Damon (the reason I got hooked) left to start his own business.
The most ridiculous part is when they bring the couple first to their "dream home" and they pretend that they had no idea the home was priced way beyond their budget.
R109 - Wasn't F2G the Best! Ed and Joe always had these inside (inappropriate) jokes going on between them. Yes, those two were always goofing off, hamming it up for the camera, making jokes (the more inappropriate, the better) about celebrities, etc.; but damn they did good work! I learned so much about textiles and upholstery from then.
R110 - It was on PBS, way before there were 100's of channels on cable. You can find episodes on Youtube. You'll need to weed through the episodes to find the Struthers' parody; hopefully it's there. (It was toward the very end of one of the episodes.) But, check it out and enjoy.