Bruno Hauptmann along with a friend did the kidnapping. I just read a great book called Cemetary John. The baby died from being dropped when Hauptmann s buddy tried to climb down the homemaid ladder.
Both the brother in law and the sister in law were suspects, as was a maid who killed herself after several rounds of questioning.
Hauptmann almost certainly did it, although there are questions about whether he acted alone. To me, the most convincing evidence is the fact that the ladder used in the kidnapping was traced to lumber in Hauptmann's attic. The growth rings matched, and so did some nail holes.
That's not to say that evidence wasn't planted by the police, and Hauptmann's trial was a foregone conclusion. The crime scene was so poorly handled, and the investigation was so bumbling that the police almost certainly sat down and fabricated the prosecution's case from start to finish.
Did Lindbergh cheat on his wife?
I don't know much about him outside of the racism/Nazism.
[quote]Did Lindbergh cheat on his wife?
One contemporary comment was about how there never seemed to be a couple in bed so much as them.
Just constant bang bang bang.
Since the baby's grandfather was probably the most vocal exposer of the Wall Street criminal cartel known as the Federal Reserve System, many believe it was the banking cartel that murdered the baby.
Did Lindbergh cheat on his wife? R9, you don't read much do you? Much like H.L.Hunt, Lindbergh had two additional secret families in the later years of his life. His daughter, from the original family with Anne Morrow, has written a book about it. Apparently he felt that he was of such superior genetics that he should procreate as much as possible. I'm sure that getting some strange pussy was a big part of the motivation also. Lindbergh made claims of virginity, and criticized the loose morals of others before he married Anne Morrow.
Correction: Fathered kids with one of them.
[quote]Seems he still found time to "bang bang bang" other women and fathered kids with several of them. Boy, he really loved them Germans:
Whoa! Did not know!
R13, I do read, just never read much about Lindberg in particular.
I was thinking of reading "The Aviator's Wife."
I always thought Lindbergh probably hit the baby and killed it, then staged the kidnapping. No one would thing Lindbergh would hit his child...he was worshipped back then.
Those wanted posters for his bit with his picture was somewhat haunting.
The fact the kid's babysitter killed herself and the fact Hauptmann refused to admit it, even when it would've spared him his life is compelling reason to believe him.
The fact not just one but more than ten pieces of vital evidence was admittedly planted by the police and newspapers means that the only real evidence they ever had on the guy was he had money in his possession from the random.
Not much to go on. Typical racists want to believe the immigrant did it though. If he had been a Muslim, all you would be like, "Oh no he's innocent." But since he was Christian and white, he must be guilty.
Do you think the babysitter committed suicide because she felt guilty that the child died, because she was involved in the kidnapping, or because she couldn't psychologically handle the personal questions of the interviewer?
Lots of wrong info here. First of all, R7, just exactly who are you referring to when you say "Both the brother in law and the sister in law were suspects" ?
All kinds of wild latter-day theories have cropped up: one was that Anne Lindbergh's older sister elisabeth was behind it, and another theory was that her brother Dwight did it. Both were patently absurd, but whatever.
The "babysitter" who committed suicide was actually a housemaid named Violet Sharpe. There was some speculation that she was involved, along with the Lindbergh's chauffeur, but most agree that the police hounded the poor woman to death trying to extract a "confession".
Charles Lindbergh actually fathered SEVEN other children, with THREE different women, in both Germany and Switzerland. Too much to go into here, but check the links, this is a fascinatingly weird story.
One more link: Reeve Lindbergh's take on her father's secret families. She sounds like a hoot.
"Thinking back on the behavior of her much-absent, infuriating, perfectionist father, she writes: “Gosh, no wonder he was such a pain in the ass!” "
Are you kidding? I don't see how but I didn't read your link, so...
Usually the simplest explanation is the likeliest one. The scenario of the dumbass kidnappers accidentally dropping the kid and then stupidly deciding to try to collect the ransom anyway is more plausible than Lindbergh or his wife murdering the child, given that since they had a nanny they probably barely saw the kid let alone were alone with it long enough to lose their tempers and beat it to death.
R27, there was a case a few years ago where a baby's relative (uncle I think) was visiting and the baby peed on him and he threw it in disgust. The baby didn't die but got brain damage.
Lindbergh apparently now IS a suspect. The baby was born with congenital defects which the Nazi Lindbergh could only deal with through "mercy" killing.
Google it, folks.
The story I heard was Lindbergh really was a jerk. He liked to play practical jokes. One of the theories is that he placed the ladder up against the house himself, took the baby out the window to scare his wife, and then accidentally dropped him on the way down. He then tossed the baby in the woods and formulated his alibi.
One of the lead investigators was Norman Schwarkopf, Sr - father of the recently deceased general.....
[quote]Not much to go on. Typical racists want to believe the immigrant did it though. If he had been a Muslim, all you would be like, "Oh no he's innocent." But since he was Christian and white, he must be guilty.
How does one have the audacity to accuse others of racism, then go onto show your own bigotry?
Get help, crazy person.
R28, Since the link doesn't work can you summarize the finding?
R25, How does the Orient Express story, where all parties were involved, relate?
Orient Express involved members of a household where a baby was kidnapped and murdered. The whole sad affair was a sensational "crime of the century" thing.
R32, Norman Schwarkopf, Sr was kind of a pompous ass.
For all his flaws - and he sure had them - Lindbergh performed very heroic and invaluable missions in the Pacific for the US Army Air Forces - all behind Roosevelt's back since FDR refused to recommission Lindbergh back into the services after the war started. He resigned his commission when he became politically involved in the isolationist lobby to keep the US out of the war. Once we declared war I don't think there was any doubt where his loyalties were.
Not sure about whether you can call it an open marriage but Anne had lovers of her own also and thought about divorce regularly. I do think they were a real and devoted couple in the begining of the marriage. But hey things change, they evolve. LOL!
Charles Lindbergh was such a Hitler-loving, Nazi, white-power scumbag I'm glad his human larvae died; I can't think of an asshole parent who deserved that bereavement more than this human macrovirus who unfairly slithered his infections into human history. And I'm sorry this glorified KKK piece of human swamp-life is buried in a Polynesian paradise like Maui. I'm just glad I don't have to share a planet with the Lindbergh piece of filth and his crotch-fruit who probably needed to die anyway (coming from a dirtbag gene pool like that!). And being a bona-fide American Nazi, you know that Lindbergh was as homophobic as all get-out.
I remember over 20 years ago when some book came out alleging that Anne's sister Elisabeth was guilty. For elementary school I attended the Elisabeth Morrow School in Englewood, NJ (its campus was the old Dwight Morrow estate), whose headmistress was Constance Chilton, a classmate of Elisabeth's at Smith College. Elisabeth and Chilton cofounded the school shortly before Elisabeth's early death. It was well-rumored in the school's community that Elisabeth and Chilton were romantically involved. Based on these rumors, I was surprised that Elisabeth was believed to be interested in Lindbergh.
A few years ago a man who lived in the Bronx said his father killed Baby Lindbergh, but Hauptmann took the rap.
"It was well-rumored in the school's community that Elisabeth and Chilton were romantically involved. Based on these rumors, I was surprised that Elisabeth was believed to be interested in Lindbergh."
Great gossip, R38.
Elisabeth was the family beauty, it was probably natural to assume she was interested in Lindbergh, and he in her. But she had a congenital heart defect, so would not have been a suitable mate in Lindbergh's estimation.
Her brother, Dwight Morrow Jr., was mentally ill (I believe he was disagosed with schizophrenia and underwent electroshock therapy) - so it is surprising that Lindbergh, who believed strongly in eugenics, would choose Anne given that 2 of her 3 siblings had mental or physical illnesses.
I always thought Ingrid Bergman did it.
I'm not clear. Is R37 saying he [italic]doesn't[/italic] like Lindbergh?
Ummm..Lindbergh was an anti-social, racist, gold-digging hick who tried to suction-cup himself to all of Morrow's daughters.
By the way, if you read Anne's diaries at the time*, even she was bothered by the trial and the narrative of Hauptmann. Repeatedly, in her diary, she asked, "Why didn't the dogs bark?" That is to say, if there's a strange German immigrant climbing up a ladder to break into a second-story window and kidnap the kid, why didn't any of their dogs warn them?
Much was made out of this in a book on the kidnapping--and I can't remember the title now!--that hypothesized that Charles Lindbergh had dropped the kid accidentally.
*I think it's the one called Time of Tears, etc.
Were there any Vandersloots in New Jersey?
[quote]The baby died from being dropped when Hauptmann s buddy tried to climb down the homemaid ladder.
Did that really happen? How awful.
Well, at least we know Madge had nothing to do with it. She was on tour at the time.
[quote]The baby died from being dropped when Hauptmann s buddy tried to climb down the homemaid ladder.
How many maids does it take to make a ladder?
[quote]But she had a congenital heart defect, so would not have been a suitable mate in Lindbergh's estimation.
Wow, he really was a complete cunt.
[quote] climb down the homemaid ladder.
[quote]Lots of wrong info here. First of all, [R7], just exactly who are you referring to when you say "Both the brother in law and the sister in law were suspects" ?
Why don't you lighten the fuck up, and back off a notch?
I was giving a quick summary for someone who obviously was starting from scratch. I had no idea my humble thumbnail would soon be vetted by the leading authority on the Lindbergh kidnapping.
Unclench, R7. Impotent fury does not become you.
When did they start calling out Lindbergh for who he was; a Nazi sympathizer. I recently read a book (apparently the leading tome) on the Lindbergh kidnapping, and there wasn't a single word on any of it.
I'm an eldergay, and all I remember hearing about Lindy was that he was an aviation hero, and then of course all about the tragedy of his kidnapped and murdered child. But clearly *something* had to be known about his alliances by say, 1970.
Why would the MSM hide the fact that Lindy was a wannabe Nazi? Are these the ancestors of the same folks who pronounced a Romney landslide?
DL, What do you think of this very interesting article discussing the case and subsequent trial?
Lindbergh was known at the time as a Nazi sympathizer--didn't the guy fly to Germany to accept a medal from Hitler? He also liked to flap his wings in newspaper op-ed pieces, give speeches at public rallies, etc.
But the mainstream media lionized him as a hero; he was protected by his wife's elan and cashola; and he hid in rural England after the Hauptmann trial.
Instead of calling Lindbergh a big ol' Nazi, the mainstream media softened it to "America First."
Newsreel editors were careful to cut scenes of the crowd responding with Nazi salutes at L's speeches.
So it's back to selling papers, I guess.
Whatever gets you the safest buck.