I admit I am scared of masculine lesbians

To me, they seem sinister and volatile. Being extra nice and considerate is counter-productive. I really don't understand the animosity because after all, we're family. I am shy and soft-spoken, but they often treat me with contempt.

• This is what many blue collar guys act like. I would feel more comfortable with Butches than the prissy purse dog females of Hollywood.

• The OP is a cat

• DO NOT Repeat DO NOT Go to the Detroit Airport unless you call first. There are many cancellations today.

• webmaster, delete this thread!

  tig%20notaro

• Yes, let's not provide emergency information for snowbound Detroiters What a racist thread this is.

• webmaster, are you deaf?????

  tig%20notaro

• I have the power now to destroy the webmaster. Delete this thread. It clearly was created to insult me.

  tig%20notaro

• Taking the generalizations out of this post, because that is never good, what does it say about any individual who responds to kindness and consideration with contempt?

• As long as she doesn't treat your body like a jungle gym and punch your arm like a fratboy, you're pretty much safe.

  I%27m%20a%20pocketgay%2C%20not%20a%20toy

• OP: Maybe it's the way you dress (the contempt statement).

• Whether you like it or not, Gay world has a lot of Lea Delarias and Johnny Weirs, and always will have. Deal!

  http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/ld/rock_of_ages_060810/lea_delaria_2952989.jpg

• There's no excuse for bad manners.

• OP you are part of the problem. Get happy and others will respond to you accordingly.

  Butch

• Can you believe that they deleted the Tig Notaro thread? It is time to boycott this crazy bitch. She is stealing money on cancer hoaxes now. This kind of censorship should not be tolerated. Lavely and Singer, the lawfirm that is getting these threads deleted, are responsible for the Arnold Shwartzenneger getting into office(They terrorized his grope victims) and they now are terrorizing the Masseuses that were molested by Travolta. This firm has LAPD detectives on their payroll. Sinister shit. Tig Notaro is a deluded and abusive nutbag and I hope smart dataloungers do or say something to protest these insane thread deletions. We can diss everyone but this crazed cancer hoaxster?

• #14, we have your mom's basement surrounded.

  LAPD

• R14, How in the world does a two-bit comedian afford the services of Schwart's evil attorney?

• If you corner a masculine lesbian they can get very agro.. to appease them just throw them either of the following... a. some sensible shoes b. a K.D.Land album c. a swathe of carpet samples or d. a plaid shirt. This should settle them down and make them more manageable.

• Have a read of Valerie Solanas' SCUM Manifesto. Mad shit, but so much of it is true.

• R16: She was set to be in a sitcom called "in the motherhood." She was convinced that she was poised to be a huge superstar and it would be worth the money to pay them so they can get the DL webmaster to shut it all down and also to make the target of her lies go away. she has had threads all over the internet deleted. Only very few venues won't bow to Lavely and Singer and Marty Singer. She even had planned to get rid of the Notaro and just go by "Tig" She truly thought she'd be as big as Cher or Oprah and she shelled out all her savings to make sure that nothing got in the way of the fame and fortune, that had eluded her, but not her nemesis/best friend Sarah Silverman. She was sick of kissing so much ass and going nowhere. It worked and these lawyers got her to get away with murder since they literally own many in the courts.In the motherhood tanked but now she finally succeeded in getting press by saying she's dying one day and cured the next. A day in the life of Mathilde(her real name.) The datalounge threads drove her insane and her lawyers have scared much bigger fish .no surprise that the webmaster is spooked but disgusting all the same.

• Tig Rocks!

  http://fuckyeahtignotaro.tumblr.com/post/34624260823/amanda-ran-for-tig-in-the-canadian-breast-cancer

• In my experience, the masculine/butch lesbians have been some of the most fun and coolest people I've known in the lesbian crowd. The skinny, humorless, chronically ill PC academic types were the worst.

• How long have you been on dl? Have a look around here, then ask yourself, is it any wonder?

• ITA, r21.

• You sound like a whiny nasal-voiced prisspot shit-stirring passive agressive twit, OP. I've been around quite a few of your type.

  lesbian who doesn't think you're cute

• Remember, OP, we can smell fear.

• Imagine how feminine and straight looking lesbians feel?

• They all scare me OP. Well actually saying they make me sick would be more accurate. Don't let them bully you.

• Bulldyke are the reason so many femmes stay in the closet or identify as bi

• I'll admit that I was first scared of a home invasion but the idea of masculine lesbians frightens me to No End!

  Faggy%20McFaggerstein

• R28, Now that's arrant bullshit.

• r26/28: We can't imagine. Do tell.

• R31, MAny femmes are ashamed of being gay because of you gross dykes! I also believe the femmes should come out to combat the nasty dyke stereotype

• R30 prove me wrong

• R32, So where are these "many femmes"? If they're closeted, how in the heck do YOU know they're gay.

• Just like gay men know many closeted masculine dudes, they hide but are still somewhat pursuing their attraction

• Butch lesbians made me question whether I was actually a lesbian when I first came out.

• R36, I totally can relate. I remember feeling utter terror when I went to a dyke bar that was full of bulldykes of the scariest order. Thank GOd , there are more and more femmes out there, but we are just begining

• I'm a gay man and big butch leather queens made me question if I was gay. The whole S&M scene. My father told me the straights do it too, good ol' Dad.

• Am I the only one that laughs at typically humorless ultra feminine gays?

• [quote]Am I the only one that laughs at typically humorless ultra feminine gays? Nope!

• R39 = a living embodiment of humourlessness. Only halfwits respond to misogyny with homophobia.

• [37] There have always been more feminine lesbians, but unfortunately many took on the persona of "femme", which to me, is almost as bad.

• Wow! Many scary butches taking umbrage at the truth. If you profess to hate men so much, why emulate the worst aspects of them?

  %20Ed

• How can masculine lesbians lament about misogyny when they look and act like men!!

• [quote]Thank GOd , there are more and more femmes out there, but we are just begining Just beginning to get the courage to come out, as your butch sisters did decades ago? If you're so femme, what is your problem? No one can tell you're a lesbian, according to you.

• R45'. Like they had a choice! They were so conspicuous

• They could have called themselves twinks or cubs and passed.

• Fair game, R41. If gays can't take it, then they shouldn't dish it. And it's not exactly homophobia, many gays just like to try and defend their misogyny with this word.

• R36 and R37, This "bulldyke at the bar" thing might be generational. About how old are you two?

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• (This femme lesbian is trying not to get sucked into some of the asinine polemics on this thread: there's an unemployed guy on another thread who's trying to be "creative," and I'd rather help him.)

• I don't care how anyone looks or dresses, but the "drag king" persona is unbearable. I'm a woman, and the over the top macho, condescending, "now see here little lady" shit has got to stop. We get it. You don't want to identify as a helpless, silly little ball of fluff. Guess what, neither does anyone else.

• I've never run into one of those chicks, R51. Yikes.

• They don't bother me.

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• It's sad that manly bulldykes want a feminine woman but get all offended when a femme wants the same

• I once saw a woman in a bar. How could I tell she was a woman? Because of her enormous, saggy breats, drooping behind the bib of her overalls. Oh, and she had no shirt on underneath. Her head was shaved and tattooed; her jiggly, cellulite-ridden upper arms were covered with tattoos, as well. Her nose was pierced with a big spike that looked like a Salvador Dali mustache, and complete her fetching ensemble, she was wearing a big pair of horn-rimmed glasses. I didn't realize I was staring until she swiveled her cueball and shouted, "What the fuck are you looking at!" Gee, I wonder. Do you think she was a lesian?

• God, that post was full of typos. Sorry!

  R55

• Described the bulldyke perfectly

• OP is a 46 year old straight-acting, masculine top that gets mistaken for being 22 all the time.

• Trolldar page one to see the future president of Selena's fan club.

• Sounds like Andrea Dworkin, r55.

• Who said anything about bars R49?

  R36

• I remember a scary butch lesbian. I was about 18, straight girl, right out of hight school working as a secretary. I had an encounter with this butch lesbian, decked out in her finest plaid men's cut camp shirt, cargo jeans up to the ribcage, key chain with keys dangling, practical short hair, Mr. Magoo glasses, diabetic (though they weren't stylish then) waffle stompers, and peeling cuticles. She stomped into the office wanting to talk to my boss who was out. I asked if I could take a message. She began blurting out her purpose, which I feverishly jotted down while she glared down to be sure I got every word right. After her diatribe, I asked her name. It was one of those nonspecific gender names like Pat, Don/Dawn or Gene/Jean. So, being naive & unknowing, naturally I wrote down the masuline form of the name. When she saw that, she blew her stack... "I'M (Dawn/Jean/Jo) NOT (Don/Gene/Joe)!!!" I wa scared straight (pun intended). From then on, I avoided that lesbian at all costs. It was especially unnerving when she'd burst into the ladies room, arms extended, brows furred. Later, she retired and became a massage therapist. Butch lesbian a massage therapist, get that! She didn't get much business so a kind soul in the office suggest I give her some business. Yeah...riiiiightt!

• They just grunt and growl like bears (the animal, not the fat gay guys with beards).

• I hardly ever see butch lesbians. Where do you people live, the woods?

• [quote]peeling cuticles. nice detail

• Bulldykes be crazy. The worst are the fems with the bullz. The bull will see a man and immediately go on high alert(!) because she suspects, rightly, that the fem is just dabbling and will be back with a man shortly. The fem will act shy and nervous while the bull will play PROTECTOR: huffing, puffing, scowling and generally trying to piss in a circle without a cock. Absolutely hilarious. And hideous. Just gross.

• Talk to Michelle Bachmann OP, she's afraid of dykes too.

  charlie

• r66 Something similar happened to me before, at a gay bar,of all places. I saw a friendly looking feminine girl that reminded me of every SNL actress from the late 70´s I could think of. So I started talking gaily to her(pun intended), and all of a sudden I heard a deep loud masculine angry voice coming from a 5.0 feet Tall girl in male cowboy attire, with the bluest eyes I ever saw: Hey, what do you think you are doing,you are talking to my wife! Everyone around went quiet. As an overly sensisitive gay male of 18 I was traumatized by the experience, even went to the bathroom to cry, no doubt helped by the fact that I was quite drunk at the time. Funny experience, considering the fact that the fem girl did not have a chance in hell with me, romantically or sexually.

  Newlymasculinegay

• Please stay in, R32. You sound like an idiot.

• R66, I actually loathe the so called femmes who are actually straight chicks afraid of penis more than I do the bulldykes!!! They create confusion for the baby dykes who look like real girls and want the same

• Lesbians are just too damn touchy. And bull dykes are the worst. They take offense at EVERYTHING. Every one I've ever known walked around looking for something to be pissed about.

• Basically, flaming gay men and butch women are a disgrace to homosexuals

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• No r72, flaming gay men served as conduits to the straight world for centuries. They remain shining lights of creativity. Masculine lesbians were categorized, rightly or wrongly, as stout, humorless Gertrude Sternish old maid types.

• [quote]Gertrude Sternish So creative they invent new lesbians. Great job, screaming Mary/shining light at R73.

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• R73, Thanks for the laugh

• no more

• One more

• This is terrible. You need to have compassion for our butch sisters. They take the brunt of all the hate from the freepers. They should not be on the receiving end of contempt from members of our own community. Because of them we have more freedom today. Same goes for the limp wristed men. Wake up gay people! Respect eachother!!!

  Lipstick%20Lezzer

• "Lesbians are just too damn touchy. And bull dykes are the worst. They take offense at EVERYTHING. Every one I've ever known walked around looking for something to be pissed about" You hit the nail on the head R71.

• I agree OP.

  Lipstick%20lesbian%20here

• "Sinister", really? I'm leery of masculine lesbians, but then again I'm actually a lesbian, so there's some risk there they might hit on me (no thanks). Whereas I don't really see what you have to be scared of. I could see if you're a sensitive, small guy, but I've met more straight men who'd target you than butch dykes. Most are cool even though I avoid them for the hitting on reason, not sure why you're running into the "angry" type. It's either the crowd you hang out with, or you have issues that are coloring your perception.

• The thing that mystifies and disturbs me about butches is that it seems they choose the worst of masculinity to imitate. Some objectify non butch women the way men do. And then there is the territorial and jealous and insecure behavior (pissing in corners) behavior someone up thread mentioned. If you are going to be masculine why not choose to be the best "man" you can be so that the women in your community can witness some beauty in the interplay of the yin and yang in stead of the stereotypical neurotic bullshit that has always gone on?

• R82, yep! Also, I am tired of being hit on by them as are my feminine friends.if we wanted a man we would go for a real one with manners and class

• I remember there was this hard core lesbian bar, and in the 'mens room' the urinal got ripped off of the wall by some fanatical masculine lesbians. It was a weird night, definitely felt unwelcome!

  HomoMale

• R84, I truly believe that those types of dykes are really gender identity disordered and want to be men and are enraged because they are not. Get the sex change operation already!!!

  Lipstick%20les

• Agreed, R85. The worst thing is that the lipstick lesbians are few and far between. The bull dykes make the majority of the lesbian community. I often feel pushed out because I don't fit their stereotype. Just because I look like a woman, act like a woman, and fuck other women, I'm supposed to be pushed out of the community, for liking girls who actually look like girls, and not girls who look like guys? Hell no. That's not ok. I always say that I'm not a lesbian.. because I don't feel like I belong in the community. I fuck women, but that's all.

  Lipstick%20lesbian

• R82, I feel the same way about lisping, swishing, affected "faggotts." They give everyone a bad name.

• Oh, Mary, give it a rest.

• R86. I can totally relate, but we are not alone

• All I know is that when I was living in Denver, the dykes referred to the guys as either "the fuckin' men" or "three-legged motherfuckers."

• Gay males are just too damn touchy. And queens are the worst. They take offense at EVERYTHING. Every one I've ever known walked around looking for something to be pissed about"

• Lipsticks need to form their own communities, since they don't feel comfortable in the existing, instead of dissing butch lesbians.

• r87 this is a thread about butch lesbians not feminine gay men. But my comment would be that men as a species more and more are suffering from severely negative image because of all the destructive, aggressive and fucked up behavior that is foisted on women and the world. It would be great to see butches not imitate any of that and instead rise to a better way, maybe more enlightened way, of expressing masculinity.

• Bulldykes ruined feminism! Thank GOd

• Yeah r92, and butch lesbians need to go away

• Beware! The might have the flu

• Butch lesbians aren't going away. If you don't like them, stay out of their haunts.

• you're all hypocrites.this is a GAY website and those women are part of your community whither you like it or not.Do you think those women could be any different even if they tried?Many of them are built like linebackers anyway.

• Come on. There's room for everyone. Everyone's doing drag. We're all acting out the characters we want to be. There are submissive women who like the butch stereotype. I'll admit I like the lipstickers. I, personally, like to look nice and dress well. I don't behave in a stereotypical manner but I really don't mind others who do.

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• R99, you are a nice man, but you should never defend bulldykes it's their personalities

• I am scared of nelly queens.