Princess Beatrice and Eugenie Off The Royal Pay-Roll & Rent-Free Housing. No more freebies for them!

In yet another humiliation for Prince Andrew's dynasty, he is to be required to pay rent on the royal apartment occupied by his children, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, after their ousting from the family firm. Still, its not a bad deal - he is only having to cough up about $30,000 to allow his two daughters Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie to stay on in a four-bedroom apartment in the heart of London at St James’s Palace, according to The Daily Express's Richard Palmer. Beatrice, 24, and Eugenie, 22, lost their taxpayer funded bodyguards and were excluded from the Jubilee balcony appearance by Prince Charles earlier this year. Charles is determined to 'slim down' the monarchy, and the the fifth and sixth in line to the throne have been told they must get jobs and will not be on the royal pay roll. They have now been told they are no longer eligible to stay on rent-free in the attic apartment – which was refurbished at a cost to the taxpayer of £250,000 in 2008 – "because they have finished full-time education and do not undertake official royal duties on behalf of the Queen," says Palmer. "They fall into the same category as Prince and Princess Michael of Kent, who for the past two years have been forced to pay £120,000 a year for their sumptuous Kensington Palace apartment after MPs objected to them living there rent-free. "Buckingham Palace officials described that as the market value for the Michaels’ apartment. Andrew, however, is paying a fraction of the market rent for his daughters’ apartment. The London’s estate agents Savills estimated the market rent for a four-bedroom flat in an historic building in the St James’s area at between £100,000 and £150,000 per year."

• "Bummer, Beats!" "You said it, U.G.!"

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• Does Fergie live with them?

• No, Fergie lives with Andrew. Eu & Bea want to live in the fast lane in Central London.

• I smell a sitcom.

• All they have to do is sell their teeth for ivory, and they'll be set for life.

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• Princess 'Doors to Manual' Still has to curtsey to us, though. We are princesses of the blood!

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• Be easy on Princess Trolley Dolly, Your Royal Highnesses. Too much curtseying will have the tastefully appointed furnishings at Sandringham covered in vomit!

• I was about to ask about Princess Michael before I say they're being charged. Has there ever been a more accomplished moocher?

• *saw

• Reality show time!

• Honestly, what kind of work are they supposed to do? It's not like they are trained to do anything. They should do what Princesses have always done. Marry a rich man....in their case, a rich man that wants to be close to the throne.

• They could become madams.

• Both Princess Anne and Prince Edward have opted NOT to make their children Royal with an HRH title. Their children are commoners. Anne's children were raised with the expectation of having to work, and not receiving any handouts from the palace.

• Well, given Beatrice and Eugenie's role models are a fat, indolent oaf and a grasping, freeloading tramp it's little wonder they ended up sponging off the public teat. Maybe Eugenie can get fat again and follow mum as a Weight Watchers spokesperson. The ugly, bug-eyed one will just have to marry some Saudi trash. Doesn't dad have contacts over there? His BFF is a billionaire pedophile, so he knows all the right people.

• Charles, as usual, is being a dick. Andrew and Sarah ought to just remarry.

• Well, Bea could always become a milliner.

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• Poor Beatrice; she has all the worst of the Windsor genes (she could pass for Queen Victoria's ugly twin) without any of the benefits of being a Royal (sponging off the taxpayer).

• She could become a milliner and OD on a prescription sleep aid!

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• I didn't realize Sarah still lives with Andrew. I thought she lived in New York. Does he have other women in his life?

• R20. Sarah and Andrew have never stopped living with each other. There is probably a part of each of them that regrets divorcing. They obviously must have feelings for one another. They're grown, they've matured. Why not be together; life it too short. Sarah and Andrew should just remarry--and piss off Charles, who is the family's biggest asshole.

• [quote] "They fall into the same category as Prince and Princess Michael of Kent, who for the past two years have been forced to pay £120,000 a year for their sumptuous Kensington Palace apartment after MPs objected to them living there rent-free. I think the queen pays their rent

• [quote]and piss off Charles, who is the family's biggest asshole. I don't know. Have you seen the Wikileaks stuff about Prince Andrew? He is a money-grubbing creep who gives Prince Charles a run for the title.

  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1333974/WikiLeaks-US-Embassys-concern-Prince-Andrews-rude-behaviour-abroad.html

• Isn't the home occupied by Fergie and Andrew actually divided up into two complete posh apartments? Tom and Nicole are said to have had the same in their London home.

• She called Princess Michael of Cunt for a reason. She told a group of black diners in New York to 'go back to the colonies'. I presume she meant Africa.

  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1462995/Princess-Michael-told-black-diners-to-go-back-to-colonies.html

• Princess Michael isn't popular with any of the royals.

• And Princess Margaret was probably worse. A racist, selfish, drunkard and a slut, as well as an incredibly rude snob of a woman. Thank goodness she wasn't born before Elizabeth.

• Now they need to do that will ALL of them.

• They are educated and have connections up the wazoo. They could easily get jobs in PR or management consulting or go the madam route. They could also make a living dishing gossip about their cousins to the tabs. Or they could cultivate friends for hire that give them money in exchange for access to clubs their cousins etc.

• R29, so in other words you see them taking after mom?

• Princess Michael is a useless cunt.

• Sarah and Andrew may very well re-wed but absolutely not until Prince Philip kicks. It will be a possibility then, as Andrew is his mother's favorite and he can then get approval from her. The Kents had to sell their lavish country home to afford the market rent on the Kensington pad. Prince Michael does "business deals" with shady Russians to keep up their lifestyle since they're no longer on the Civil List.

• Good, they can eat a frozen dinner of bangers and mash like me

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• Wait, I thought Andrew was gay and he and Fergie had an arrangement. I heard Edward was gay too. Also, I heard Prince Charles was gay. I believe I heard Prince Philip was gay as well. But the one I wanted was Prince George, Duke of Kent, Noel Coward's lover.

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• OP it's about fucking time. now if he can add that sponger kate m to his list teh world will be a better place.

• For the record, Edward didn't have much say in choosing to raise his children without royal titles...The Queen made the decision for him. Besides, his son is a Viscount...if he truly refused titles for his children, then he wouldn't have a title.

• Edward didn't refuse titles; his daughter is a Lady. Anne did, though, and her children were all the better for it.

• If Charles could marry that homewrecker and rottweiler, Camilla. Surely Andrew can remarry Sarah, who is a far nicer person.

• So do they live together as in "live together," or do they just share a house?

• Edward is Earl Wessex for now but after his father dies he'll become Duke of Edinburgh. His son will then be upgraded to an Earl although his daughter will still be styled "Lady Louise". His two children are actually Prince and Princess of the UK but were ordered styled as "Lady", etc. by QEII in a play to modernize the Royal Fam. When Harry marries and breeds all bets are that his kids will also be styled similarly (won't be Prince/Princess like Will and Kate's).

• That's a very good set of Beaton photos of the late Duke of Kent, R34. Beaton flattered the Duke (and the Duchess) when in fact he was sort of lumpy and fey looking in many other photos.

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• I don't think Sarah has any money. Prince Andrew offers to share what he has. But that relationship is over, other than parenthood and caring what happens to her. Prince Andrew enjoys his own tawdry life.

• Beatrice & Eugenie: I condole you.

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• Edward will remain The Earl of Wessex until after Charles succeeds his mother AND the Duke of Edinburgh is dead. The Edinburgh title will go to Charles if Philip dies before Queen Elizabeth. That's how it goes, titles pass to the next in line. Once Charles succeeds as king, he can no longer be Duke of Edinburgh (or Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall, Earl of Carrick, etc etc) so then he will make a NEW creation of the title for Edward. It can't just go to Edward automatically when Philip dies. The announcement merely stated that Edward would get the Edinburgh "in due course" but the actual "course" is more complicated than people might think. As for Andrew and Fergie, who knows what their arrangement has been but both of them have had romantic relationships with others through the years, Andrew most recently. In fact, he was close to marrying but the woman made every indication she would not accept the proposal. I really don't think they will remarry at this point, they are both long in the tooth, lost their looks, their kids are adults, and Andrew is slipping further into irrelevancy.

• The princesses can lend their names to a perfume. Look how well it worked for Cumming the Fragrance for both women and men.

• Sarah is a grifter. She hangs around Andrew only because of the possibility that he may throw some of mummy's money at her to keep her from tyring to sell her coonections to him to the highest bidder, as she did in 2010.

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• r44 is correct about the Edinburgh title and how it passes - I stand corrected. if that poster is still on this thread or anyone else with knowledge can they answer as to how Harry's children might be styled, should they be born while QEII is still alive? As great-grandchildren of the monarch arent they automatically "Lord" and "Lady", and can't be technically bumped up to "Prince/Princess" until Charles becomes monarch? Also, will have the Mountbatten-Windsor surname or just "Windsor" as Will and Kate's kids will have.

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• my post above should say "As great-grandchildren of the monarch not in direct line of inheriting the throne arent they automatically "Lord" and "Lady", and can't be technically bumped up to "Prince/Princess" until Charles becomes monarch?"

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• That's right. The HRH goes to the children of the monarch, the grandchildren of the monarch in the male ling, and the eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales. Harry's children would be styled as sons of Dukes, so Lord/Lady Firstname Windsor. Once Charles succeeds, Harry's children (as male-line grandchildren to the monarch) would get the HRH.

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• I think 'Windsor' and not Mountbatten-Windsor. I still don't understand that whole situation and I've been following European royalty since I've been a teenager. I think Mountbatten-Windsor was an idea that sort of fizzled.

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• It's clear that the monarchs should have only one child. But they have a second or third for insurance. But the "insurance" always ends up fucked up because they won't rule but need to do something. It usually turns out to e sex and/or booze!

• Comedy gold. The real Queen's Christmas message...

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• I like Sarah, Duchess of York. And I hope Andrew continues to take care of her. The royal family screwed her out of a decent divorce settlement. So, they owe her. Yes, she's made a couple of mistakes along the way, who hasn't? No one fucked up more than Charles, and somehow he was still able to end up with that trash, Camilla. But Sarah and Andrew still like each other, and good for them. Let them be happy together...and not have to wait to be together until Philip kicks off. Who the hell is Philip to approve or not of his son's happiness?

• American here who watches the Queen's Christmas message every year.

• [quote]Yes, she's made a couple of mistakes along the way, who hasn't? Bitch, please! If you're made a Royal Duchess of the United Kingdom and Her Possessions Beyond The Seas, and are bestowed mansions, jewels, gowns, riches, and the accumulated good will of The People, the basic expectation is that you won't behave like a street tart. She's learnt nothing, and remains the same toxically idiotic, entitled, self-obsessed, 'vulgar, vulgar, vulgar' fat slag she was on her first carriage ride. And only in that respect she suits the GenXY zeitgeist immensely.

• OMG, R52, that's some funny shit. Who is that guy?

• We only know what is fed to the press reveals about these people. most of that is half truth an outright falsehoods. Half truths and complete lies seem to be an adequate diet for the soulless masses.

• Good. Only the queen, harry, will and kate do anything in the plus column for the royal image. Make the rest chip in.

• The big problem is that these girls are Princesses. Jobs in PR, fashion and the like are beneath them. What jobs can girls of their stature really obtain without it being looked as "slumming it".

• Ferg is off her coke diet for the holidays

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• Charles is a first-class asshole if he's orchestrating this spiteful bullshit. However, if these girls have to get jobs, then they'll get jobs. They're well-connected enough that they will do what's necessary. Beatrice and Eugenie also seem to be nice girls. They show up where they're supposed to be; they're never in trouble; they went to college and did well. By all indications, they're nice, well-mannered young adults. Good luck to them as they venture into the world. I hope they do well. I like Harry; he seems kind of fun. But that boy has been in more trouble than the entire family put together. And Beatrice and Eugenie have pretty much demonstrated nothing but good behavior.

• The only ones on the royal payroll should be the Queen and Prince Charles, the rest can get jobs. Or do they have them? Harry and Bawldie Jr are in the military right?

• Why is Charles an asshole for doing this? These girls are a cost to the taxpayer, and Charles is looking to save money by removing these leeches from the government payroll. They have good educations, they should use them. There is no need for anyone other than those in direct line to the throne to be on public assistance. The Queen is Britain's richest woman; if she doesn't want to look after these girls, then it's not the British taxpayer's responsibility. They will never inherit the throne and are constitutionally irrelevant. If Harry can risk his life in Afghanistan, then these chavs should be able to cope by working the checkout at Tescos.

• The girls have big huge asses. They have to have jobs that hide that. And that ain't easy, especially when your degrees are in art and French military.

• I see a street corner. I see low lighting I see a lamp post I see Trixie and Jeanie waiting by the curb I see men crawling on that curb...

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• {quote] Princess Beatrice and Eugenie Off The Royal Pay-Roll & Rent-Free Housing. No more freebies for them! Kate is behind this! Mark my words!!

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• I predict marriages to rich men.

• They seem like nice young women and Eugenie is rather pretty. A shame Charles is treating them like black sheep. At least they are not alcoholics like his son Harry clearly is.

• If anything happens to them Charles will look like an ass. They probably do need bodyguards.

• Biggest fucking welfare family on earth. Get all the fuckers off the payroll and kick them out of the state owned housing. Trash, all of 'em.

• R65 ....... I see a double headed dildo ...back to back .... Hey, London needs CoeCoe cosmetic consultants !!

• [quote] Anne did, though, and her children were all the better for it. Her then-husband Mark Phillips refused the HRH and a title as well. On the day of his wedding Mark was summoned to the Queen's house, where she expected to give him a title and HRH. Instead Mark said 'No thank you'. I think the queen was stunned.

• Sarah and Andrew are more best friends who got married. I think they realized that they would be better best friends than hubby and wife.

• [quote] Her Possessions Beyond The Seas, and are bestowed mansions, jewels, gowns, riches, and the accumulated good will of The People, the basic expectation is that you won't behave like a street tart. According to Sarah's book, she was expected to live on Andrew's military salary. And as the second son, he had no money at all. Andrew now has to work as well. A job with the government promoting England overseas, or something like that.

• This decision is definitely something that isn't well received by Andrew. He's been trying very hard to avoid it for the past two years. He has pushed his girls forward and had them with the Queen and out doing their royal appearances and "duties" in the public eye for the past two years to avoid this very thing. That whole "just us" on the Jubilee balcony was really not a very nice gesture by Charles. Charles is a gracelss ass, and has been longing to get back at Andrew for his crooked underhanded shady business dealings, and his relationship with Mummy for years. Neither of the two Princes are very nice. Andrew certainly isn't. It's just ashame they are dumping on Eugenie & Beatrice. Those girls work very hard, are very dutiful, attend all the public functions, etc. and are devoted to Granny. Obviously Charles wants to promote Katherine more, but Eugenie & Beatrice weren't stealing her thunder. And Harry's faux pas in Las Vegas almost derailed Charles grand plan of having his house be the only one in the spotlight. I think this will backfire since Once Katherine & William spit out babies, they will look about as exciting as Sophie & Edward.

• Well, the Queen has her own estates and sources of income that are not from the government. Charles has the Duchy of Cornwall filling his coffers. If the girls are in publicly owned buildings, fine, they should pay rent, but the family outright owns plenty of property and I don't see why they couldn't live there or the Queen couldn't just give them a place to live.

• [quote]Charles has the Duchy of Cornwall filling his coffers. Huh? How does that work? It's a sincere question. Do the taxes paid by the people in Cornwall go to support Charles?

• R77 it is millions of dollars in trust that has Charles living off the interest.

• [quote]The principal activity of the duchy is the management of its land and properties. The duchy has a financial investment portfolio and owns land totalling 540.9 sq. km. (or 208.9 sq. mi.). Nearly half of the holdings are in Devon, with other large holdings in Cornwall, Herefordshire, Somerset and Wales. For the fiscal year 2007, the duchy was valued at £647 million, and annual profit in 2007 was £16.3 million, thus yielding 2.5%

• Charles is rolling in money. He looks very ungenerous and mean to his nieces to shut them out of the family this way. After all, as someone pointed out, their behavior has been fine.

• As of April 2012 the Royal Family no longer get money from the government via the Civil List. None. Instead the government cuts them a portion of the profits from the Crown Estate, the whole lot of which is technically the Sovereigns (including Duchy of Lancaster estate), but is managed by the government. It includes lands that came into possession of the monarch following the breakup of the monasteries, so a lot of ancient holdings. George the Third handed over the Crown Estate to the govt so it's a pattial reversion. Charles is funded separately by the profits of the Duchy of Cornwall estate. Beatrice and Eugene are real technical problems. Grandchildren of the sovereign are no longer bestowed princely titles: you can thank Fergie for that. Her antics were the nail in the coffin of a wider royal family. Which is why the Royal Dukes of Kent & Gloucester and their families probably hate her guts.

• I got pregnant in the nick of time! All of this "get a job" talk is quite distressing.

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• It is really annoying to read these attacks on Charles. He is generous, kind, smart, passionate about history, art, architecture, the environment, gardening - plus he is very gay friendly - and always has been. I worked with him on a project for many years and I can't say more positive things about him. As far as Diana is concerned, she's dead and let's let her rest in peace.

• BOTH Beatrice and Eugenie got good degrees and have been getting experience in PR, fashion etc so I will expect will get a job soon. Eugenie also had a scoliosis operation like me a few years ago but recovered well and recently did a sponsored bike ride to raise money for the hospital where she was treated. They both seem well adjusted, intelligent charming girls, leave them alone!

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• [quote]Biggest fucking welfare family on earth. R70 obviously knows nothing about royals in other European nations.

• Arguably the same family, R85. Greatgrandmother Victoria was quite committed to domination through reproduction and infiltrating though marriage.

• The link to Duke of Kent photo brings up the interesting story of how they had him killed.

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• Two bad there aren't any German princes or Russian archdukes to marry them off to, Couldn't they get the Scandinavian princes interested in them?

• God forbid there are any Grimaldi princelings around! Andrew would love to hook up with those philistines! It would be better for the girls to find commoners who are wealthy than to look for European royalty. Ugh. That is the very bottom of the barrel.

• "Pay-Roll"?

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• [quote]Who the hell is Philip to approve or not of his son's happiness? This is the Queen's doing, in way. Phillip wanted his children to use his family name, Mountbatten, instead of Windsor and was angry/upset about it. He had to stuff it and obey the Queen who, of course, had to choose her family name. I read that she wanted more children after Charles and Anne, but Phillip refused due to the naming issue. The Queen's compromise was putting Phillip in charge of family life, including where the children would be educated, managing issues or conflicts among the relatives, etc. Hence, Charles was sent to that spartan boarding school in Scotland which he loathed. He was an introvert, more timid than his father, and was probably considered to fey by Phillip who constantly withheld approval and was quite harsh with his firstborn, by all accounts. Anne was his favorite and a girl, so she got a pass. After Andrew was born, he became the Queen's favorite, so he had a bit of a protected status compared to Charles. Andrew's divorce and Sarah's poor settlement was Phillip's doing and he probably regrets it as many of her shenanigans were directed at making money. If she'd been taken care of financially and signed the agreements, etc., she probably wouldn't have become such an embarrassment to herself and the royal family.

• [quote]The big problem is that these girls are Princesses. Jobs in PR, fashion and the like are beneath them. What jobs can girls of their stature really obtain without it being looked as "slumming it". Uh, no. The real, actual, reality-based big problem is idiots like you who think a person's bloodline can elevate them above doing an honest day's work, or even that work is something to be looked down upon. "Princess" and other titles are classist relics of a time we've all progressed past (well, most of us). There's no reason these women, who've been pampered (and well-educated) by taxpayers since birth, can't go out and do whatever work suits them, and support themselves and pay taxes like any other citizen.

• What's the problem? Hasn't it been traditional through the centuries for young aristocrats to marry well and, once settled into a proper marriage, fool around with whomever they want? It's not like they don't have any potential husbands. If I were one of these girls, I'd find a sweet, rich, reasonably attractive man somewhere around my own station, crank out two kids, and fuck half the Coldstream Guards. Sounds like a plan to me.

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• [quote]Hasn't it been traditional through the centuries for young aristocrats to marry well What the lowly aristocracy does has nothing to do with what the royals do.

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• These new royals are just lazy. They look to their mother who took a job with FatOff commercials rather than get a job.

• The only reason you're all attacking these two are because they're girls. Notice how you all buy the bullshit about Harry fighting the Muzzies... What's the difference? Oh yes, you all want to fuck Harry.

• Thanks for your contribution, R95. If there is a formal distinction between aristocracy and royalty, then I stand corrected. But even with that distinction, there are many examples of royalty doing just what I described, in common with the aristocracy that surrounds them: marrying "appropriately" and having sex with who they want. Their uncle did exactly that. Oh, and you might want to switch to decaf, you nut.

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• (R25) bit much from an Australian hairdresser's daughter. Princess Michael has the thickest trunkiest legs too, bless her. It's a shame to take the michael out of her.

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• Battenburg is their surname. Mountbatten is a stage name (made up) designed to cancel out any Germanic reference after the war, when such a name would not have been helpful. Philip was born on Corfu, Greece. His mother was bonkers and wandered around muttering in a nun's habit. They were "impoverished" as they said in those days. My grandmother remembers it clearly and goes nuts if you dare to question her. Philip is Greek. Sophia of Spain is Greek. Her brother is Constantine of Greece. I'm not coming at it from a historical angle, just saying what I know to be true. I saw King Constantine just before Christmas, in Chelsea, on his way to our local nosherie being pandered to by young birds as he shuffled along with his gouty gait. We ran on quickly ahead to check our coats before the inevitable fawning and mucking around, so we can eat and go quickly. They all look after each other. At our expense natch.

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• Do they own any land in Greece, r100? Their properties were seized and, IIRC, there was some controversy when he returned and tried to claim some land or a house or something.

• Had he not met and married a princess, Philip would have done very well in the Royal Navy. He was involved in some unique incidents during the war - once formulating a diversionary tactic for his ship that resulted in enemy planes going after a false floating target in the Med while his darkened ship escaped to fight another day. By the end of the war he was serving in the Pacific and was on a ship in Tokyo Bay when the surrender was signed aboard USS Missouri.

• R72 I read that book too and I don't believe it. While the queen will keep,the huge bulk,of her fortune intact to passmo. To Charles, I can't believe that she hasn't dumped huge sums on her other children. princess margy was always crying poverty but I am sure George vi made sure she,was well,provided for. Queen Victoria left nothing to Edward vii, she divided her fortune among her children, George v didn't leave square to Edward viii.

• Princess Michael's father was a Nazi. The House of Mountbattenberg has always had a fondness for the krauts, particularly of the fascist variety (see: Edward VIII).

• [quote]Philip is Greek It's interesting that his mother was the granddaughter of Queen Victoria and was born in Windsor Castle. She hid a family of Jews in her small home in Athens throughout the Nazi occupation there risking her own life. She was also a religious nut whose mother had her incarcerated in a mental hospital for many years and who wore a nun outfit even after she moved into Buckingham Palace a short time before her death.

• R87, it does appear to be a mysterious death, but they don't say why they would want him killed. So he sympathized with the Germans...lot's of the aristocracy did and they didn't end up dead.

• [75] "Those girls work very hard" hahahahahaha... no, wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder... having your whole life, from nanny to pony to posh school to university to adult accommodation paid for by the UK taxpayers is NOT hard work. Showing face now and again when your granny asks you to visit is not hard work. Managing to keep your knickers on and not do a line of coke in front of a photographer is not hard work. They are incredibly privileged, no matter how much he pleads poverty their father is VERY wealthy, albeit an unpleasant cunt, and they have been given every advantage in life. Being asked to pay rent is not unreasonable and Charles has shown unusual common sense in this - the British public are sick to the back teeth of these particular parasites living off the taxpayer.

• A couple of points....Philip, Sophia, Constantine are not technically "Greek" by blood they are Danish-Germanic, their Danish royal ancestors took the Greek throne years ago. I believe Constantine and Anne-Marie travel on Danish passports since their Greek ones were revoked after the military takeover. Constantine did go to court in Greece yrs ago to get back some of the lands and estates he claimed were personally his and his family's. The Greeks compensated him monetarily not sure how much. He supposedly put the $ in a fund for Greek disaster victims or something similar. Also - QEII was *not* responsible for screwing over Philip re. his surname. She wanted the pass on the Mountbatten surname but her PM and advisors at the time urged her otherwise, and she caved in to pressure and kept the "Windsor" name for her decendents in line for the throne only. Philip was indeed very hurt - the "Mountbatten-Windsor" compromise was reached later whereby their male decendents other than those in direct line will take this name - which by my figuring means only James Severn and his children will eventually have it, along with the eventaul children or grandchildren of Harry.

• I can see why, r107! Those two girls are crippling the British economy!

• I've never understood why Elizabeth II was pressured to keep Windsor as the surname for her descendants. Ther's only one precedent in the entire history of England of a reigning female monarch being succeeded by her child, which was Victoria, and she wanted Her son to take on his father's family name (which was Wettin, or Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, and was later Anglicized to Windsor). Mountbatten/ Battenberg is no more Germanic than Windsor/ Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. my hope is that when the queen dies, Charles as monarch will fully change the family's name to Mountbatten, which will be prerogative entirely (once she is dead, the queen's wishes will count as nothing, as Victoria's son proved by taking the regnal name of Edward VII, rather than of Albert Edward I as Victoria had expressly intended him to do).

• Didn't Philip have the understanding that he would be named King after marrying Elizabeth? And that he would always have to walk one step behind? And when Kingship didn't happen after years into the marriage -things were bad between them. Years went by between Andrew and Edward births.

• The role model for modern royals is the Viscount Lindley, aka David Armstrong-Jones. He is the son of Princess Margaret and her husband, Lord Snowden, aka Anthony Armstrong -Jones. The viscount is a media presenter and operates a furniture business. Another role model is the queen's cousin's Richard, a successful architect. Had not the abdication of Edward VIII occurred, Richard would have succeeded to the throne if all other events had remained the same. Elizabeth Windsor (Wetting, Saxe-Colburg-Gotha, whatever) would have a been the country gentlewoman raising dogs and horses -- a life she was born to have and a life she would have preferred.

• R14, Anne's children don't have that option. The progeny of women princesses to not get to be HRH.

• You're making up shit, R72. There's no way the husband of a princess could be given an HRH.

• R83 has to be Colin Amory.

• Here's another great Charles initiative the media doesn't mention much...

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• You're very confused, R100. The "Greeks" you list have not a drop of Greek blood. They are a mixture of Danish, German, Russian, and English (if you can call Queen Victoria English). They just happened to be elected royalty of Greece in the 19th century.

• R108, that's not quite true. At her first wedding, Anne signed the Abbey registry "Mountbatten-Windsor," big as life.

• "As a titled royal, Anne does not hold, nor ever has held, a surname, but, when required, her maiden name is Mountbatten-Windsor."

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• I bet that is why the royals keep taking up mickey mouse degrees to give the impression they are pretty smart because they think that they will never need to use them.. until the day they have to go out and get a proper job after sitting on their asses and taking gap years to idle the time away, then realise their mickey mouse degrees count for shit in the real world .. princess beatrice - history and the history of ideas princess eugenie - English literature and history of art kate middleton - history of art What is it with these useless people that they cannot take any decent degrees - maths, science even business... nooo let's take a degree in english or art - get a 2:1 in reading or painting / drawing.. no wonder they're fucked. it will really come in handy when they need to organise an event... they can proof read the fylers perhaps

• r114 in other European countries royal princes are created all the time. Sweden's crown princess married her trainer, who was created HRH Prince Daniel the day of the wedding. Britain however doesn't hew to this tradition. r118 Anne is a renegade and her father's fave hands down. She did sign her wedding registry with that name to make a point but in fact, technically she is a "Windsor" only per prior agreement. I do believe that it's possible Charles will rectify or clarify the surname situation further once he succeeds his mother. Or William might - he's close to Philip and holds him in very high regard.

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• The issue with the Yorkies is that while they have some money - probably in the form of trusts, it's not enough to maintain the lifestyle they want. Not enough for the luxury apartment in a palace in London, the fancy cars, the entertainment and travel (someone always picks up the tab), the tiaras and jewels gifted by the monarch on various ocasions, etc. They want to be working royals - not for the civil list - but for an allowance from the monarch and the freebies associated. (The traditional country home given upon marriage, for example, something Kate and Will passed on.) If they are smart - they will focus on marrying very wealthy men. At the very least they can promise that their children will be cousins to the future monarch. And, they stil have they are HRH titles. But, the Yorkies are not very smart -- they haven't dated wealthy commoners looking to move up, they are downright rude to Kate and nasty to Pippa. That's not very bright. Hell ... even Pippa, heiress to a multi-million pound fortune is looking to marry well. And she can assure anyone that their children will be first cousins to the future monarch.

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• Moochers

• I saw this in Craigslist Two sisters: Wanted employment, we can do...Ah royal things...Willing to do almost anything. No anal.

• 120 - English and History/Art History majors may not be as directly vocational as say Business or Law or Medicine, but if you come from the royal family with all the art collections contained in their palaces and the cultural institutions they are associated with having an idea of the heritage and culture they are custodians of for the nation is not a bad idea. In any case while you obviously need to be pretty bright to study say the hard sciences, Maths or Law, I would not say the average arts or humanities student has an IQ much different from that of the average business student!

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• [quote]But, the Yorkies are not very smart -- they haven't dated wealthy commoners looking to move up, they are downright rude to Kate and nasty to Pippa. They were? I haven't heard of this incident.

• [quote]On the day of his wedding Mark was summoned to the Queen's house, where she expected to give him a title and HRH. Instead Mark said 'No thank you'. Is that really how it happens? On the day of a Royal Wedding, the new family member has to hoof it over to "the Queen's house" (isn't that Buckingham Palace?) so she can make a big show of "bestowing" a title in person, and without even knowing if the new in-law will accept. I just assumed these things were worked out in advance and only announced on the big day. I didn't think the people involved had to meet in person before the actual ceremony. Seems like everyone's schedule would already be a bit tight on the morning of a Royal Wedding. Does queenie get dressed first, or does she do this in her nightgown and slippers, buttering a muffin and slurping coffee with the corgis at her feet while she "bestows"? In her "house". [quote]I think the queen was stunned. How the fuck would you know? Your whole post reeks of made-up BS.

• As is customary, the Queen is believed to have offered Mark Phillips an earldom on his wedding day. Mark turned down an offer for a title from the Queen, and when Peter Phillips was born in 1977 the Queen offered him again and he said no and Princess Anne supported him because they both said they did not want their children to have titles because they wanted their children to grow up to be as normal as possible. Peter and Zara did not have to be titled because the decision was entirely up to Princess Anne and Mark Phillips, not the Queen. However, they are not the first children of a princess to carry no title. The children of Princess Alexandra, the Queen's cousin, who were born in the 1960s, are also untitled. Anne's children have a great deal more privacy than any of there cousins (with the exception of Louise and James). First of all they do not have any bodyguards and ladies in waiting to follow their every move. Secondly they don't have a title but they attend most royal functions with other members of the family. Peter and Zara both live in cottages on Gatcombe with their "partners" and cook their own meals get in their own hot tub and can visit a princess just a few yards away.

• Andrew is most anxious about any changes in the Queen's health. When she goes, so does he.

• She will not have left her favorite some money?

• Look at this horse wearing a Beatrice body! They have some very clever horses in England, ha ha, I'll say!

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• Beatrice would be nice looking if she didn't resemble Fergie and Andrew so much.

• r126 -- oh yes, the Yorkies most certainly did. Twice in public. (Who knows how often in private.) First, at a fashion show, they purposely sat in front row seats reserved for Pippa and her friend. When Pippa showed up and went to her seat a convesation ensued to the effect that Yorkies weren't moving, despite knowing the seats were reserved for Pippa. (I don't know why the Yorkies didn't have their own seats.) Pippa made light of it and sat in the back. At last years royal X-mass parade at Sardingham, the camera caught Eugenie cutting in front of Kate, who was the subject of all the cameras, and running straight to the Queen. She did it so suddenly, the videos caught Kate flinching, she quickly regained her composure. Small wonder Will and Kate decided to give Sardingham a skip this year and spend it with her family. Her pregancy is in a precarious situation.

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• Kate lost the baby...press release from St James Palace is imminent.

• I doubt either girl, however lovely has any real mega~star talent for anything that will haul in the big bucks, and that's what they will want, millions. Their best bet is for being famous for being famous. They should steer clear of reality shows, but I could see them co-hosting a morning or afternoon chat show. Bring on a different guy every week to be a third host. Dish on hot topics like they do o. The view, occasional serious stuff, things on fashion, lifestyle, celeb interviews. IF they have some good producers this could actually be a good show done with some class and dignity. Better than making fools of themselves on a reality show,,or selling out their names to endorse crappy products that are over priced. Anyway, say what you will about Fergie and Andrew, I think they raised themselves a couple of girls the British nation can be proud of. As for the govt. doing away with their police protection.....big mistake. This makes them target 1 for kidnappers a d crazies everywhere.

• Nothing trending on twitter about that, R134.

• Seems odd that Kate would travel up to Sandringham today if she just miscarried.

• Nothing like a miscarriage to spark wanderlust.

• I'm not sure about Bea but Eugenie is very bright and had top marks at university. I don't get why Charles is so hellbent on getting rid of the York girls. Harry doesn't look like hitched any time soon. If he had a wife, she and Kate would make Bea and Eugenie's presence quite redundant, but that hasn't happened yet, so the girls still have a public role to play.

• [quote]Andrew is most anxious about any changes in the Queen's health. When she goes, so does he. I'm sure she knows that. And I'm sure she'll cut he and Edward some money in her Will to safeguard them. I suspect Edward lives even more beyond his means than Andrew. Just look at his country house for example!

• [R122] As far as I know. Beatrice has a very wealthy boyfriend. Has for years now.

• Bea but Eugenie were right alongside the Queen when they left the church on Christmas Day. She seems to favor them over her other grandkids.

• I read that Philip's real surname is a Danish-German four barrel: Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg. Mountbatten was chosen to mollify Louis Mountbatten who had promoted the match to Elizabeth.

• I have a question. Does the Queen hold Court like they did in the old days? Where guests will come to the palace and just hang out and party?

• Oh my yes, R144. No one can throw a kegger like Sister Betty Woman and Grand Master P!

• Such peculiar notions here. A lot of fun, but mostly palaver. I do want to note that Philip did not expect to be king. If Albert, his and his wife's shared ancestor, had to be satisfied with being Prince Consort, Philip knew he would be no more than that. Naturally he chafed for years over his role, and particularly put his foot down over the name to be used for the House (and for necessitated surnames in a world demanding them). But Elizabeth mollified him after many years. And, no, of course there is no court life as in the past. Although the various honorifics and court positions give an allure of connection to the past. Mostly it's all run like a business, and when the queen is "on," and people are about for formality's sake, the tone is more that of an event with royal patronage making it sparkle, rather than on ongoing court life. Naturally the real role of the court in practice concerns ambassadors and diplomats, but even that end of things has been demoted to the formal receivings, which the queen often does not attend. Charles increasingly steps in. The same for one-off baronetcies (knightings).

• r112 You are mistaken. If Edward 8 had not abdicated, on his death the throne would have gone to the next oldest brother. If that brother had ore deceased, then it would go to that brother's son. If no son, then to a daughter. Thus Betty would have be o,e queen in the 1970s . Tjats how Victoria became queen. William 4 died, no legit children. Thenext brother in line was the duke of kent. He has per deceased so the throne passed through to his daughter Alexandra Victoria, who chose to be known as queen Victoria.

• But if Mr Ed had remained king, he would have had pressure to produce an heir. Liz would most likely not been queen. She was lucky.

• Royalty threads are the DL at the best. Here, the earrings are made of sapphire, and the caftans, of ermine.

• The idea of PRINCESSES Beateice and Eugenie upstaging Pippa Middleton is ridiculous. England is still an insufferably classist country, and the fifth and sixth in line to the throne will always be treated better than some fugly troll whose sister married well. Even if Kate becomes Queen, she's an ill-prepared commoner who won't know how to use what little influence she'll have. At least aristocrats like Diana, The Queen Mother, and so many others possessed a shrewdness that forced life to make lemons out of lemonade. Kate is fucked while Bearrice and Eugenie will always land on their feet.

• [quote]As is customary, the Queen is believed to have offered Mark Phillips an earldom on his wedding day. Mark turned down an offer for a title from the Queen, and when Peter Phillips was born in 1977 the Queen offered him again and he said no An EARLDOM??? The woman owns Canada and she offers him an EARLDOM??? What the hell is that anyway? That's an insult. If I was offered an EARLDOM, I'd have whooped her ass till she walked like Jerry's Kids and shit.

• The Queen's youngest queen is an Earl. It's nothing to cookie sniff at.

• Shouldn't she be an earlene or something. A prince is a princess, a duke is a dukess, except Patty Duke.

• Both of those girls look severely inbred. They might as well go to Dubai and become paramours of some Arab sheik.Someone mentioned the Middletons? Kate's not even forty and she's had more platic surgey than Joan Rivers! Pippa might be a rcekless tart but she's a fun one. Kate on the other hand is a crashing bore. R143 Elizabeth and her forebears also have a decidely Teutonic origin. They are not British(Welsh, English,Irish OR Scottish) but rather Teutonic in their origin as well. So Phillip who is "Greek" in nationality is not the only one in that family with German origin. As a matter of fact Mountbatten was originally Battenberg!

• One can't get more Scottish than Elizabeth's mother, Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon.

• R148. You're correct. I was going on the assumption that King Edward would not have found a way to spawn.

• The Yorkies were not upstaging Pippa Middleton, they took her seats. Pippa decided it was better to sit in the back than call an usher. I don't know how shrewd Kate is - but Carole's no slouch.

• [quote]One can't get more Scottish than Elizabeth's mother, Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon. Her father was born and raised in London and inherited a Scottish title. Her mother was English. There are plenty of people who are far more Scottish than this interloper. She didn't even have a Scottish accent.

• I'm sure that one is ok with being off the payroll as long as she still gets dental coverage. I mean, MEIN GOTT, have you seen that Clydesdale's teeth?

• [quote]As far as I know. Beatrice has a very wealthy boyfriend. If this is so, then he must be ugly.

• I feel like the last 12 replies on this thread need to be wiped away so we can get back to normal. Please, don't try to be sassy or ironic on a royals thread. We long-time DLers cherish these threads for their substance and their unironic attitude. All your attempts to jump in and shake things up are as sad as when a lesbian tries to shake up a cubefrau thread with posts about "cubequeens." Out of genre. Let it go. Incidentially, I know nothing about the royal family of any country outside of what I read here on the DL, and these are some of my favorite threads here (along with the Broadway threads, another subject I know nothing about).

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• Bea's boyfriend, Dave Clark, is ugly...and from a wealthy family...and American. He works for Richard Branson.

• Don't be so mean, what if the girls read this. I'm sure it's all said in good fun, but they might not know it.

• There have been talks that the Spaniards will allow first born heiresses to get the throne, without having to wait for a male heir. Hope Britain does it eventually as well.

• R164 is living in the last decade. It's a done deal in both those countries.

• r165 I don't think that Spain has changed its royal inheritance laws yet, as the other Euro countries have. I fairly certain they still have male primogeniture. Felipe has made it pretty clear I think in recent months that he and Letizia (who just turned 40) are done having kids, making Leonor the heiress apparent. Recent photo spreads he's done w/his father JC and eldest daughter alone clearly show the accepeted line of inheritance. Spain doesn't need to update the laws now since Leonor only has a younger sister, but will need to once she comes of age and starts her own family. They will probably be ready for it by then (Spain's royal fam is conservative compared to other Euro countries).

• R154, you confuse the place of a person's birth with biological ancestry , and you confuse nationality (a late-coming concept, really, considering you're talking about descendants of the people who cut up the land to create "nationalities") with cultural background. Elizabeth had a 2-great-grandfather who was German (Albert). and a 2-great-grandmother whose mother was German (Victoria's mother, Victoria of Saxe-Coburg). Edward VII was thoroughly English in outlook, as was his son, Elizabeth's grandfather, in whose sphere Elizabeth grew up. Oh, Alexandra, her great-grandmother was the daughter of the King of Denmark, but he was German? The fact that the family, connected to all other European royal houses, has German ancestry is no more relevant at this point than noting that Czar Nicholas II is Elizabeth's first cousin twice removed, and therefore she is Russian. Elizabeth's impeccable French is better than her German. Or maybe she is Spanish, since Juan Carlos is also a cousin. Teutonic? The story of German connections to Europe's royal houses is a result of politics and the fact that pre-unification (19th c) Germany offered a plethora of suitable marriages of like-titled spouses. And please remember that the Germans on the Hanover side took the UK throne solely because of their being descended from the Stuarts, hardly a non-British tribe. Oh, are you considering them French because the mother of Mary Queen of Scots was Mary of Guise?

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• [quote]They are not British(Welsh, English,Irish OR Scottish) but rather Teutonic in their origin as well. Look at a map. Teutons originate from the same small part of the world as the Angles and the Saxons.

• r167 - wow, I had no idea that the current German royal family aka the British Royals were related to the Stuarts via Germany!!

• [quote]Bea's boyfriend, Dave Clark, is ugly...and from a wealthy family...and American. I LOVE his hits Over and Over and Anyway You Want it.

• How come black people's feet smell like corn chips?

• S&P futures have been trading higher this last day of 2012

• R158, The late Queen Mothers' mother was a French cook. This is no secret and was known since she was a child. It's why the Duchess of Windsor referred to her as "Cookie".

• Why can't a Royal like me get knocked up by a black man?

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• I like Royal Pudding. It is on sale at Walgreens. Get it this week.

• Is there something wrong with the degrees these girls got? Several people have suggested some sort of television program for them but I can't imagine why. They haven't studied or trained for it and are not particularly telegenic or charismatic. Why would anyone think they were interested in television or naturally well suited to it? One has an art history degree. There are a number of decent paying jobs that deal with the Royal family's extensive art collection. She can start there. If that "isn't done" then surely the family knows someone at the British Museum who will give her a job. The other has what, a Lit degree? The family must know someone who has a publishing house. She can start there.

• [quote]to his daughter Alexandra Victoria It's Alexandrina Victoria, you peon.

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• I think that if a person has an abortion it's just wrong.

• The girls will lie back, spread their red hairy legs and think of England.

• Kate Middleton tried to have an abortion but it lived.

• Anyone ever tried spotted dick?

• Just the similar Russian dessert, Rotchikokoff.

• Shouldn't Charles be worried about his younger son the whore, the one who has done and will do more damage to the product than anyone. His military exploits are fading rapidly next to his whoring around.

• R183, how is the weather in Karachi this winter? Cold? How about taking some of that down time from the street department to learn better English?

• Harry is trash. He's much better suited for the gutter snipe his brother married.

• Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie are fine. They went to school, did well; they're never in trouble and do what is expected of them. Unlike Harry--a fun guy, but screws up periodically. The princesses will do fine. No need to hate them. They were born into this family. But from all accounts, Sarah and Andrew have raised nice, responsible girls.

• "Czar Nicholas II is Elizabeth's first cousin twice removed, and therefore she is Russian" R167 - this is not true - the Queen does not have any Russian ancestors. She is a cousin of Nicholas II through her great-grandmother Queen Alexandra. Alexandra's sister, Princess Dagmar of Denmark married into the Russian royal family. She married the heir to the Russian throne who eventually became Tsar Alexander III and they were Nicolas II's parents.

• As a side note - Prince Phillip DOES have Romanov ancestors. His grandmother, Queen Olga of Greece, was a Russian Grand Duchess before her marraige.

  R187

• Could someone post a link to a website that explains how this monarchical system works. 1) What are the rights and responsibilities of the people who hold titles like Duke, Earl, Count, Baron, Lord, etc. Do they "symbolically" rule over a certain area of land (is a Count or Countess in charge of a county?) 2) If so do the people who live on that land have to pay taxes to them, do the royals have to do anything in return? 3) What titles are more important than others? I'm really interested in how all this works.

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• That kraut, "Lillabet" even the LEGITIMATE British Monarch. The rightful monarch, King Michael , is currently living in Australia. google "Britain's Real Monarch" and see for yourself.

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• The Queen just released a statement saying that Will & Kate's child will be an HRH with a Prince or Princess title. No Lady or Lord title. Her word is final on this subject.

• R189 1 - There are no rights or responsibilities. The UK is a democracy and all power is held by elected government. The Queen is legally bound to do as Parliament say. There's a reason it's called The Mother of Parliaments, there's been an elected body of one sort or another since the 13th century. 2 - None of these titles have had any power for several hundred years. Taxes are paid to the government. Democracy - see above. 3 - It goes Monarch, Prince(ss), Duke, Marquess, Earl, Viscount, Baron, Baronet, Knight, Feudal Baron, Others. The order of titles doesn't mean anything now other than who gets to wear the prettiest dress at a coronation.

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• Wouldn't they know the sex of the child by now?

• If Kate & Will have a retarded or female baby will it still in line for the throne?

• Hypothetically... If William had married the heir to another European monarchy... such as Victoria, Crown Princess of Sweden ...would that mean that the UK and Sweden would then become one single country?

• R195 If you got married would you expect your parents and your in-laws to suddenly pool resources and declare themselves to be one family? So..... no. Over the years every royal house has married into every other royal house and yet they've somehow managed to keep all the countries separate. It's almost as if royals getting married is just the same as everyone else and you don't get to claim Luxembourg just because it matches the dining room chairs. Odd, that.

• Actually have their been dozens and dozens of small kingdoms, duchys, principalities and royal houses that have vanished from the pages of history , after been incorporated into larger kingdoms through royal marriages?

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• KILL THE LANDLORD!!!

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• R197 There may be, but I'm not aware of any. That sort of thing usually happens as a result of war or political upheaval. Like in Germany, when all the little princelings and arch-dukes got together and declared Wilhelm of Prussia as the emperor.

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• Eugenie is actually quite pretty.

• She's was a little butter cup, now she's a tub of lard.

• I think R189 is posting from the 15th century.