I'm reading an interesting new book about the making of Fleetwood Mac's Rumours, written by the record producer. Buckingham is portrayed as very talented but volatile and abusive to his girlfriends. It's gratifying that in the end, Stevie went on to mega-stardom, leaving him in her dust.
(BTW, Stevie also twirls in the recording studio.)
What up with that?
Yeah, but he's got nothin on Susan Sontag.
Funny, from his demeanor and the way he carried himself in public, he always seemed so twee and chill.
he must be pissed that most people remember him only for "Go Insane' and "Trouble"
Oh I hate to hear this because though Fleetwood Mac was a bit before my time, I got into them when they got back together and have always had such a huge crush on him.
In Mick Fleetwood's autobiography, he wrote that during the Tango in the Night sessions- a good 10 years after Lindsey and Stevie broke up- they got in an awful fight that spilled out of the studio and into a parking lot. It culminated with Lindsey grabbing Stevie's arms and pushing her up against a parked car. At that point John McVie grabbed Buckingham and said, "Don't touch her again."
If LB did that in front of the band, imagine his treatment of her in private when they were still together. I disagree that he has always come off as chill- I think in interviews he seems high-strung and self-important. Great songwriter and guitarist, though.
He was getting ready to belt her in that parking lot altercation too. But then again, Stevie used F-bombs on him and I bet she was a mental, moody mess from being fresh out of Betty Ford.
There was also an incident on either the Tusk or Mirage tour when Lindsey Buckingham was mocking Stevie on stage and actually reached out and kicked her at one point. The band goes off the stage, Christine McVie gets to him first, and slapped the shit out of him and told him to never do that again. Read his ex-girlfriend's book, Carol Ann Harris, apparently when he got to drinking he had a super mean streak in him and he liked to hit his gf's. Also bitter that he never had the solo career Stevie had. Volatile mix there.
I've always thought Lindsey had bi tendencies and he couldn't deal with them.
Yeah, I read Carol's book. Awful, awful book. So badly written. But she makes it clear that out of the blue he would just lose his shit. They were also doing a lot of drugs then, too.
His only solo "hit" was Holiday Road?
Stevie would be a vaguely witchy Phoenix waitress if it weren't for Lindsay. I'm sure he was a monster, especially while coked out of his mind.
Of course, she could probably be a big piece of furniture herself.
So let's call it a wash and enjoy "Rumours"?
But, be honest: who [italic]wouldn't[/italic] want to beat the shit out of Stevie Nicks? Especially when she put on one of those damned medieval shawls and started twirling...
[quote]Stevie would be a vaguely witchy Phoenix waitress if it weren't for Lindsay.
No way! She is amazing. Singing "Wild Heart" while getting her make up done.
I thought he had a decent solo career. Not like Nicks but good.
He didn't produce much over the years, solo-wise, which is a major reason why it's not really accurate to compare him to Stevie. He was too much of a perfectionist and he did everything himself--Nicks had co-writers and producers who had a huge amount of influence on her output. Note, too, that the majority of "Tango in the Night" (not one of their finer efforts) came from a solo record he was working on. He had to gut his own record because Nicks could contribute so little, since she was a mess at that point.
All that aside, he's incredibly self-important. He talked shit on McVie and Nicks's solo careers pretty frequently, and said that he didn't respect them because they rested on their FM laurels. I always thought he seemed a little gay, too. I don't have an opinion about the rumor of his abusing Nicks physically--there's so much back-and-forth there.
Buckingham had a very minor solo career. One Top Ten hit; "Trouble" reached No. 9 in January 1982, and "Go Insane" reached No. 23 in October 1984. "Holiday Road" charted for only five weeks, topping out at No. 82 in August 1983.
Nicks was much more successful performer away from the group, reaching the Top 40 on ten different occasions. Eight of those recordings went on to reach the Top 20. Her most successful was her first, the duet with Tom Petty "Stop Dragging My Heart Around" which reached No. 3 in September 1981. She also reached No. 4 with "Talk To Me" in January 1986, and No. 5 with "Stand Back" in August 1983.
Buckingham's solo career is comparable to Christine McVie, who had two Top 40 hits, "Got a Hold On Me," which reached No. 10 in March of 1984, and "Love Will Show Us How", which peaked at No. 30 a few months later.
I thought about slapping Stevie, too. We all did.
Christine, reflecting with a nice glass of chardonnay
According to Harris, Lindsey would go into fugue like states where he would get violent.
His solo work may not have been as commercial as Stevie, but it's good.
I wish Christine would come back for one last album - they were definitely at their best with the three lead singer/ songwriters. The album they did with just Stevie and Lindsey was flat in comparison.
Yeah, Christine is really overlooked. Helluva a songwriter (including plenty of the "hits"), very good singer, great instrumentalist.
Christine must be sick of them. She could easily add vocals or send tracks from her castle.
Lyndsey's solo acoustic tour last summer seemed pretty tight, though.
Stop the fucking twirling already, I'm going to throw up!
McVie wrote more hits than Buckingham or Nicks.
Lindsey was undiagnosed epileptic or something back then (didn't he black out and cut all his hair off in the shower or something?), but Stevie was a Level 10 crazy fucking cokehead and alcoholic herself. There were no innocents in that social circle.
"Lindsey was undiagnosed epileptic"
He was diagnosed. He was told to quit the coke.
Obviously he was diagnosed EVENTUALLY, but not while they were making the Rumours record.
Lindsey was on SNL last night. He is always on that sketch What's up with that, but never gets to talk.
He is great on that show, R29. Seems like such a patient guy with a great sense of humor. Hard to believe he could ever raise a hand to anybody.
Ken Caillat was pissed at Lindsey because he wouldn't agree to be interviewed for the book, so take that for what it's worth.
LB is high-strung and doubtlessly difficult to work with, and all the coke he did in the '70s & '80s did not help with that. He may have gotten a little violent a couple of times back in the day, but he appears to be much mellower these days (especially now that he's off the coke).
Producer Ken Caillat says that Lindsey tried to strangle him to death in Miami for recording the wrong take of the guitar parts on "You Make Loving Fun"!
Stevie had her own private section on the Fleetwood Mac jet where she would hang with her girlfriends, known as "Stevie's Den."
McVie comes across as laidback but blunt, always with champagne & a cigarette in hand.
Ever since Christine quit the band, Lindsey has acted like he's holding some kind of grudge against her. Like how dare she not want to be a part of something he's involved in!
I believe at some point Stevie even said he much she wanted Chris back, that she needed her there for balance.
Lindsey always acts so put upon, as if there wouldn't be a band without him. I think he's immensely talented, but so are the other members. He never wants to give anyone else their due.
The album Stevie and Christine did without Lindsey, Behind the Mask actually wasn't half- bad. But it really is the balance of the three styles that made the band work best.
He was fucking hot though. I think there were 4 really strong personalities in that group - add in drugs and their sexual relationships to the usual stress of being in a band, it's just gasoline on a fire.
Didn't both he and Stevie come from a very wealthy area? And Lindsey's brother was an Olympic swimmer - I think there was probably really high expectations / demands in that family.
What do you mean r40? I've seen him several times in that sketch and he does a great job.
R28 - The diagnosis was not long after Rumours. It was in the Tusk era I think.
[quote]Stop the fucking twirling already, I'm going to throw up!
Weeeeeeeeeeeee!, says Stevie. Still twirling.
The producer also says Stevie was angry that a photo of his dog was used on the cover of "Tusk." She said she would put a hex on the dog and when the dog died 4 years later, Nicks said she was glad. "That cover should have been mine!"
Lindsey's brother the swimmer died in 1990 of a heart attack at age 45 - I wonder if it was hereditary or if he was also into cocaine?
He was the most talented musician in Fleetwood Mac. Really and exceptional guitar player and arranger. I thought "You Can Go Your Own Way" was better than anything Stevie Nicks or Christine McVie came up with.
It is true that Stevie Nicks would have no career without him. Mick Fleetwood heard Lindsay's guitar playing on the album "Buckingham/Nicks" and asked him to join Fleetwood Mac. Lindsay told him that if he joined his girlfriend Stevie would have to be included; they were a package deal. If it weren't for Lindsay Buckingham nobody would have ever heard of Stevie Nicks.
He also had a lot to do with arranging her songs and making them better. In an interview he talked about how when things got really bad between them he didn't want to help her get her songs in shape to record.
In a bookstore I skimmed through Ann and Nancy Wilson's memoir "Kicking and Dreaming." Stevie Nicks had an interest in them for a while; they said they went to her home, which was filled with pictures of Stevie, "like a shrine to Stevie." They hung out for a while, but the friendship withered. They couldn't keep up with Stevie, booze and cocaine-wise.
He sold "Holiday Road" for a Twizzlers ad that's still running and the movie it's from "National Lampoon's Vacation" is currently the Old Navy campaign. I like the original studio version of "Big Love" and always thought the HBO show blew it by not making it the theme.
Stevie was a better composer of words than Lindsey, but Lindsey was the better musician. I think even Stevie recognized LB's talents.
The studio version is great, R47 but I think the live version on The Dance is some of the most insane guitar work I have ever heard in my life.
[quote]Didn't both he and Stevie come from a very wealthy area? And Lindsey's brother was an Olympic swimmer - I think there was probably really high expectations / demands in that family.
They both come from wealthy families. Lindsey's Grandfather founded Keystone Coffee and his father founded Alta Coffee
R41, that's Bill Hader playing him. Come on now.
r36, I think part of it is that he never got the credit he deserved as a guitarist.
I don't mean that it justifies his treatment of people, just that it might affect his attitude about the press and the business.
Stephen Stills is another one who is basically the same, the driven guy who pushes everyone else, then gets slammed for it. Another criminally under-rated guitarist, too.
I always thought Lindsey should do a soundtrack, spacious instrumentals with his unique picking and masterful production. Of course an indie, but he can afford to do it for nothing - he's RICH.
I read he's given new songs for the film "This is 40", but that's big studio, high profile CRAP. I'm talking art.
Who is John Hader?
I thought Stevie's dad was a higher up at Greyhound or some bus service.
He was. And also Armour foods. Stevie said she could go anywhere by bus for free. She had one of her gratis tickets with her in Colorado ('the snow covered hills' of the song 'Landslide) and was considering bagging the whole music thing and going back to college.
I agree R41, and he's always really gracious when time run's out.
Producer Ken Caillet's daughter had a recent hit with "Bubbly" (starts with her asking "will you count me in?"
R58, that was five years ago.
Ah-ooh! Ah-eeh! Ah-owa!
The first lyrics heard on Trouble.
Why couldn't Lindsay pronounce "Two, three, four" correctly?
I'm just glad for them that they all got one last big reunion album and tour together in the late 90s when they still sounded great as a five member band, the classic lineup. Also there is some big deluxe package of Rumours coming out soon, with video and demo recordings and all kinds of stuff. For the real die hard fans.
I can totally believe the Wilson sisters (Heart) about Stevie's house being an "all about moi!" shrine to Stevie. Half of the woman's lyrics are about her, often in the 3rd person. "Well she walks down a hallwayyy.. and well, she sees a roo-oom, baby..." I love Stevie but in limited doses, which is one reason why the Mac mix worked so well.
Also Lindsey's later solo albums are pretty good. They kind of have that OCD thing going on, the way he likes to produce very tight claustrophobic spaces for his songs. But I like some of the stuff. There is a gorgeous track on one of them, called "Cast-away Dreams."
"Cast Away Dreams" is a very sad song.
He's been very prolific the last few years and his last solo album was fantastic. He has 3 songs on the This is 40 soundtrack and sings and plays guitar on Norah Jones song. His guitar work is stellar. Like this one.
"He was. And also Armour foods. Stevie said she could go anywhere by bus for free. She had one of her gratis tickets with her in Colorado ('the snow covered hills' of the song 'Landslide) and was considering bagging the whole music thing and going back to college."
You're right, R56, but there's more to the story. Stevie was stuck in Colorado because Greyhound wasn't running due to a strike.
Have any of you checked out the ORIGINAL Fleetwood Mac, the British blues band version with Mick Fleetwood, John McVie and the original guitarist, the brilliant, but troubled, Peter Green?
Peter wrote "Black Magic Woman", which was a big hit for Santana and also many other great songs which the pop version of the band continued to perform.
I think most American fans of the Nicks/Buckingham version of this band have no clue that Fleetwood Mac were a completely different band when they toured in the US during the 1960s!
It's pretty sad that many are unaware of the original band. I had absolutely no interest in the Nicks/Buckingham version of the band. Nicks voice literally hurt my ears, she sounded like she had a bad nasal condition.
I did enjoy when Christine McVie joined, as I was familiar with her from when she was in band called Chicken Shack.
R69 says it -- listen to their album, "Then Play On."
[quote]Have any of you checked out the ORIGINAL Fleetwood Mac, the British blues band version with Mick Fleetwood, John McVie and the original guitarist, the brilliant, but troubled, Peter Green?
or "Mystery to Me" with all the songs written by poor, late Bob Welch and Christine. "Hypnotized" is my favorite Fleetwood Mac song.
I love Mystery to Me, R70!! Hypnotized is great. So is "Why" and "Emerald Eyes."
Eldergays like Lindsey Buckingham (me 42) but the the real Eldergays like the FM before Lindsey and Stevie. Now that's elder.
Oh god, Peter Green. Another troubled, under-rated genius.
The under-rated genius list is a thread by itself.
The disturbed ones like Green and the under appreciated ones like Buckingham and Mick Ronson.
LOL R72, I'm 31! But not ashamed to join the pantheon of "eldergays." Glad to have a seat at the table. Especially since I'm now old and have various aches.
He plays with just fingers, his plucking style reminds me of violin players fingers. Is that typical for guitar players? I guess I thought they all used picks. He also has slender, long, attractive fingers. He must have a slender, long cock.
We used to fart in Stevie's section of the jet as we walked to the lavatory. The caviar made me especially gassy.
Christine, reflecting from her English castle
r75, it's atypical for rock guitarists.
The ones who are more into the instrument play with their fingers or a combination, depending on what they're playing.
He's an extremely fast finger picker. When he picks he sounds like two guitars at once.
He still manages to be relevant not resting on his laurels. His past few albums and his 3 new songs on This is 40 are great. The song Brother and Sister on the "this is 40" is so freaking good and innovative.
R80 he's not giving guitar lessons for a living! It was for guitar world magazine and all the greats do it. Duh.
As much as I love Stevie, she'd be nowhere without him. If you really listen to the stuff she recorded without his input, it's drastically different and rather inferior.
Having seen them live several times, both with the band and as solo acts, the interesting difference is that while Buckingham is a pretty genius musician, he's not a "star" the way she is--he just doesn't connect with an audience in the same way, though musically he is infinitely superior. The trouble is he's sort of cold and even pedantic with an audience, and she's magnetic. When the band performed together, you couldn't take your eyes off her, though the real music was coming from the others.
I tried, but I could never get into FM. It's too bad, because I like Stevie's voice.
Did Lindsay ever have any children? Or any of the Fleetwood Mac members??
Lindsey married a stevie nicks look alike and has 3 kids with her.. William, Stella, and Leelee
"Did Lindsay ever have any children? Or any of the Fleetwood Mac members??"
As another poster mentioned, Lindsay has children. So does Mick Fleetwood. John McVie has at least one child. Christine McVie is child-free and so is Stevie.
In an early article in Rolling Stone (the issue where the cover photo showed them all in bed together) Stevie Nicks said they "for sure" she wanted one or two children and a house in the country with a lot of dogs and cats. Sounds very wholesome. Of course, nobody knew back then that she was a slutty cokehead.
The two children she spoke of never materialized. It's probably just as well. I can't imagine Stevie Nicks as a mother. She seems too wrapped up with herself; she doesn't seem like a maternal type at all.
Glad to see him getting some love here for his brilliant guitar playing. Anyone who plays knows how difficult it can be to duplicate his style.
I also think his talent for arranging and producing was a huge factor in FM's success (not to diminish the songwriting abilities of Stevie & Christine).
His guitar work on live Big Love is just incredible.
R87, Stevie said in an interview a couple years ago that it was her xanax (or one of the benzos) dependence that she blames for missing the boat on having kids and that she really regrets it.
the studio version of "Big Love" is just amazing.
I've met both of them many times over the years. First time I met Lindsey was when I was about 13. Met him again later on at a restaurant. He smiled and remembered me. I met Stevie many times too, but it was always during her spaced out days. Then finally about 10 years ago I spoke to her again (I was already in the music industry) and was glad her head was clear.
Klonopin, in fact, R92. She was really zonked on it. She blames it on her MD, she never takes ownership of any of her own problems. Same with cocaine, "no one told us it was bad for us."
R68, this Fleetwood Mac is so different from the Fleetwood Mac British blues band that they really should have had different names.
This is so weird. I have 13,000+ songs on iTunes, and just as I'm starting to write this, on comes Lindsey Buckingham's "Flying Down Juniper" from the 2006 UNDER THE SKIN album.
Anyway, what I want to say is that his solo music is so much better than hers, I can't believe we're even comparing them.
Here's his tribute to Dennis Wilson, "DW Suite," from GO INSANE. After it, listen to "Bang the Drum," in the right hand column.
There's not a bad note on GO INSANE. And 1992's OUT OF THE CRADLE is also universally excellent.
LB is brilliant, but he could be an obnoxious SOB. In her book, his ex, Carol Harris, documents several cases of that, including a couple incidents where he beat her.
Thanks for those, R90 and R91.
[quote] Stevie said in an interview a couple years ago that it was her xanax (or one of the benzos) dependence that she blames for missing the boat on having kids and that she really regrets it.
Sure, she says that NOW, but in the early 80s when she was young and completely full of herself, she would always talk about needing to make "sacrifices" in order to become a big female rock star. I remember her saying in one interview, "I was not put here to be a mother, I was not put here to be a priest, and I was not put here to be a cleaning lady. I was put here to be a poet". I guess she figured she'd have plenty of time to change her mind.
As for Lindsey--he did block that Stevie hanger-on Sheryl Crow from replacing Christine McVie in Fleetwood Mac, so he's okay in my book.
She'd be nowhere without him, her lyrics aren't focused and are nonsensical, her melodies sometimes just ramble on, too.
The knock on Lindsey is well overblown. Buckingham lived in the studio, and that was a majority of his life. While the band recorded and left for their lives, he stayed and shaped their albums. His bitterness was that most of the work of the fleetwood mac albums fell to him to make.
It's documented. Check out the "changes" stevie had to make to cut her first solo.
Lindsey gets a terrible rap. He was the engine that put FM into outer space..
LB was and is a brilliant musician and producer, but he was a shithead.