Wasn't there a good thread about us gay folk colonizing Detroit a few weeks ago? Where did it go and why aren't we discussing it more? It would take some rich gay guys to help start it, but I still think it's a good idea and am not sure why the thread got squelched.
Sam Ding Wong
Because it's a dumb idea.
Detroit is where tagazz and BlackBreeders and BoyNextEbony get their models.
It's ok, let them ate cake. What these morons don't realize is that you can only thumb your noses at the growing masses of poor for so long. Eventually there will be so many living below the poverty line and become even more disenfranchised that the poor and working class will reach their breaking point and there will be an uprising. It doesn't bode well that the gap between the rich and poor in America is one of the worst of the G8 countries, and the disparity is growing worse.
I have an even better idea, r1. We'll get a bunch of rich gay guys to fund a rocket ship to the moon. It's made of cheese, and they'll be able to bring home all the free cheese they can carry. It's a good idea and I'm not sure why there haven't been any threads about it.
The rich guys will simply move to Australia and then we'll have a country full of poor illegals who will rename this country North Mexico.
It's funny how we WON the Mexican War but in reality we LOST it.
Thug porn is hot. I love Soulja, except he won't kiss guys.
Obama should pass a law making Detroit the center of Thug Porn
This is why cities go bankrupt. City fathers vote with their hearts when they should be voting based on finances.
Let Detroit secede and become a free city state. Encourage all the libertarians in the world to emigrate, allowing them to buy all the property for $1, with the caveats that all residents remain with subsidized housing for 10 years, no immigration issues traveling between the US and Free Detroit, no banking restrictions, no trade restrictions, and no obligation to pay any US taxes. Any resident currently receiving SS or Medicare/aid would be the obligation of the city for 20 years. No US taxpayer money would go to the city.
Within a few years every major corporation in the US would be headquartered there, and the standard of living would rival Switzerland.
They're just taking their cues from corporate America.
Anyone for a Twinkie?
Get what you can get while you can get it. Don't blame them. Well, I blame them, but I'm not mad at them.
Did you read the article, R4? The bonuses were for "longevity" so the people who have been there the longest and are at the highest pay scales and, presumably have job security,receive the larger bonuses, not the most recent hires at the lowest wages. Makes no sense for anyone.
R10 - You are assuming that the people who would take up this offer are sane.
R13, that makes no sense. It's the opposite of sense, in fact.
So, the longer you've been a parasite, the more bonus money you should get?
Imagine the howls when the city declares total insolvency and these "public servants" lose their pensions.
What needs to happen is the poor of Detroit need to march on Lansing and rout the Legislature. That's what needs to happen.
It would be in the best interest of the citizens of Detroit, since they would get the benefit of massive capital investment. Buyout offers for their subsidized housing would be far more valuable than the actual structure.
But, no, 99% of political animals are animals. They don't know sanity- they just live off the rest of us, like prey on the Savannah.
A few years ago, I went through there on the way to and from Canada, and I was amazed at the big beautiful homes that were abandoned and vandalized.
Why not give it to the libertarians?
If it fails, it shows that free-market policies don't work, and ends the discussion.
If it thrives, then it shows they work, and the currently impoverished citizens get out of the government ghetto.
Are you afraid it would work?
R18, it is a failed city, the product of multiple government interventions to "help" the underclass. It has failed. Horribly.
Give it to the hated libertarian movement, and see if they can change it.
In 5 years those mansions would be restored, and the city would thrive.
OP = Rick Snyder.
I hate bonus plans which reward people for being able "not" to be fired. Usually the slackest workers are those who have been in the job the longest
[quote]Wasn't there a good thread about us gay folk colonizing Detroit a few weeks ago? Where did it go and why aren't we discussing it more?
Probably because the popular conception of Detroit doesn't match its reality (and someone beat us to the punch). From the NY Times last week:
"Abandoned houses with overgrown yards may be the image most people associate with Detroit, but the city’s downtown and midtown neighborhoods have the opposite problem: a shortage of rental apartments to meet a growing demand for an urban lifestyle.
Developers say occupancy rates in these areas are at least 96 percent, spurred by young professionals, students and empty nesters who want an easy commute to school or work and a short walk to local cafes and bars. “To us it feels like there’s an insatiable demand,” said Fred Beal, manager of Motown Construction Partners, which led the recent renovation of the 124-unit Broderick Tower downtown."
R19, if you want no government, Somalia and Afghanistan are just your cup of tea.
As usual the Times article takes selected bit and twists them.
Detroit has tons of flats available. Just none that anyone wants to rent. They are talking about yuppies moving into a section that is demanding high quality buildings. There lots of open apartments and houses, even in areas where they want to live, but they are all slum-like.
The demand only comes into play because the yuppies want newly built and refurbed housing that Detroit doesn't have.
If you demand something someone doesn't got, of course there is a shortage. DUH?
It's classic demand Econ101, like rent control it doesn't work and drives up total rent costs.
If the building codes, taxes, and overall shitty environment wasn't the main factor you would have a point. Why would anyone renovate a building if the government can arbitrarily set the rent price? Why would anyone buy a building if the hoops and licenses and bribes would make it unprofitable?
All of Detroit's problems can be traced directly to the government, from the loss of manufacturing jobs to the crumbling infrastructure to the shitty schools.
Give it to the libertarians. Turn it into a city state. See how quickly it becomes the "Hong Kong" of the USA.
I really do think that socialists (of both parties, since they are pretty much the same in that they support the big banks, big business, and big military) would be terrified of a "Free Detroit".
All of the big (free) corporations would move their HQs overnight. No taxes? No regulations? They would love it.
That would expose how corrupt the system has become, since the banks would stay FAR away. They would be scared of being prosecuted. As would the big pharmaceutical companies. No defense company would dare locate there- they would be at risk of being tried for crimes against humanity. Apple, Google, Tesla, Amazon- they would come overnight!
It would also decimate the big entertainment conglomerates that have used the government to extend their copyright powers.
The DHS should grant green cards to any skilled foreigner who agrees to stay in Detroit for 10 years.
Since it would be based on a property rights system then anyone who came- from Cuba, China, or Cote d'Ivoire- would be granted automatic citizenship by buying property.
The streets and public buildings would be sold off to private companies, and any disputes would be handled by private courts. Any transaction would require both parties to agree to private arbitration...and this it too deep to get into here.
Read HHHoppe's "Democracy: The God That Failed" or any of Rothbard's work, and you will begin to see how a society based around "not killing each other at the point of a gun because we can" (aka the opposite of the system we have today) and then you'll see why I'm right.
A society based on violence (as we see today) is destined to become despotic. I want to stop that despotism, but socialists still worship the government and believe in the power of the gun. Libertarians want to change that.
Is that so wrong?
To the r10 / r15 / r17 / r19 / r20 / r26 / r27 person: Why do you think Detroit has had some special government-caused ills that no other city has, causing all its problems?
Detroit is just "patient zero" for what the US will be seeing over the next decade.
Look at how fucked- completely fucked up the ass by a baseball bat- the finances are for the top 20 cities in the US. All of them are issuing "special" bonds to cover shortfalls in OPERATING budgets, with no regard for future expenses for the (generous) pensions they have promised. In some cases the pensions are growing more each year than the total income from taxes.
How can these cities (and states) pay these benefits if THEY HAVE NO MONEY!
Detroit is just an example of what happens when the government is allowed to spend with no regard for future income. I wish it was some special case, and then it could be contained, but unfortunately it is systemic and a feature of socialist planning.
Put it this way- if you are in your late 40s or older, and work for the government they you better not plan on getting a pension. Hell, if you're in your late 50s it isn't looking too good!
Black guys are hot, well the ones that are built and have slim noses and light skin and no tatoos and have jobs and talk normal are hot.
While the country teetered on the verge of collapse, I didn't notice Wall Street giving up their bonuses...
Trebles all round...
So you like black guys who are white?
r34, reminds me of the old joke on 70s SNL: "I don't just a man by the color of his skin, I judge him by the size of his nostrils."
Yawn. Detroit has been teetering on bankruptcy for longer than I've been alive. So sure, let's screw lower middle class wage earners out of their bonuses. Wall St CEOs got their bonuses after they crashed the economy and needed to be saved by evil government.
Please save your outrage for those who deserve it.
Competition is not all it is cracked up to be. Most countries try to avoid State and Local Governments trying to outbid each other with cheaper wages and lower taxes to attract businesses. You just end up with poverty, declining revenues, crumbling infrastructure and lost services while the citizens are held to ransom by major corperations/job creators.
Detroit was just the first victim of this process. The rest of the country is following down the gurgler.
I see a lot of workers here and they hate and misjudge other workers...see where THAT ignorant attitude has gotten you? A corporate foot on your neck.
What a bunch of dopes.
I can't believe Detroit didn't declare bankruptcy a long time ago. The city core is almost at a war zone degradation level and has been like that for a while now.
It'a about race. The blacks control it and with bankruptcy or other such extreme means they'd lose control. They'd rather have control over something than nothing.
R40, that's one of the most racist things on DL. And that's saying a LOT.
SO, because they are black, they are incapable of handling their own affairs? Sick.
And r41 responds to the race bait (here's a hint - ignore the trolling mo-fo)
Once again, the statement isn't racist but a reflection of reality.
The blacks in Detroit refuse to give up power.
Who is in charge of Detroit.
Declaring bankruptcy is the best solution
Blacks leaders admit this
Yet they don't do this? Why because they said, it would put Detroit in the hands of the state government.
Who controls the state government
Thus it isn't racist but a reflection of reality.
Just because THESE blacks are not capable of running a city, and they have PROVED THEY ARE NOT, doesn't mean that ALL blacks are.
You're putting words into statements where they don't exist to suit your OWN RACIST agenda.
By defending people who are incompetent with the statement, they are black so we have to give them a break, IS RACIST.
The same way if you say, all Jews are smart. It's still a racist remark even though it's complementary not derogatory.
If I said, homosexuals are responsible for getting HIV, you can deny it, but the fact is the rates consistently go up for homosexuals on a disease that is virtually 100% preventable.
If something is true, it's not racist to say the truth.
You just have an agenda. You would rather the blacks of Detroit wallow in their own failure than force them to admit they screwed themselves over, no one else did it. THEY DID IT.
It's time for blacks and gays and all minorities to stop complaining and take a good hard look at themselves and change what they can and stop blaming other people for their failures.
Blaming this on race is bullshit.
Blaming it on 50 years of government handouts and welfare that have destroyed the black family, a drug war that has put many black men in jail, a system that rewards women for NOT marrying, a racist court system, a government police force that treats black people as second class citizens, a government education system that teaches black people that they have a RIGHT to be pissed due to the aforementioned government programs that have destroyed their culture...well, that isn't racist, just fact. LBJ
Don't forget the media that calls any black scholar who points out these facts an "uncle Tom" and vilifies him for trying to help poor people (black, white, Hispanic) as the main accomplice. Democrats want to keep them "on the plantation".
I apologize for the following language but we have to understand the truth that is not being told any longer. The following quotes are LBJohnson quotes:
“I’ll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” —Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One -
“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”—LBJ
There's only one problem with that "quote," R44: nobody has produced any evidence anywhere that Johnson actually said that.
Audio of LBJ talking about "Ni&&';$" and their vote.
R45, don't be stupid.
ROFL.... And yet that link, R46, doesn't have any of the "quotes" that you cited above, nor can you find such a link or find any authenticated source.
This is why you always get your ass handed to you. You always unquestioningly accept whatever shit you read on those conspiracy sites you frequent, without ever wondering whether it might be true and without even bothering to check! Oddly enough, that's the very behavior you claim we engage in.
It is so sad when someone is so deluded that they won't face reality.
Every biography of LBJ, every perusal of his congressional statements, every "off the record" (and many on the record) account of his personal beliefs on "The Ni&&ers" (as he called them) shows that he saw "them" as a political tool, not as equals.
He is like most politicians- we aren't "people" but pawns to be manipulated. If saying that giving Teh Gayz our civil right to marry would win the election, he would have done it in a heartbeat. Instead he called for us to be institutionalized.
Why do you defend monsters, R47?
It makes me sick when people defend people like LBJ just because they have a (D) next to their name.
[quote]It is so sad when someone is so deluded that they won't face reality.
LOL.... I agree, R48, it really is sad. But you never know... maybe one day you can return and join us here in reality.
[quote]Every biography of LBJ, every perusal of his congressional statements [blah, blah, blah...]
You just can't bring yourself to acknowledge that you fucked up, can you? I mean, this is really simple: can you show that LBJ said what you claimed he did or can't you? You know can't and instead of just admitting that you got scammed by one of those sites you frequent, you have to play silly games like this.
[quote]Why do you defend monsters, [R47]?
ROFL.... Is it really so difficult to read and respond what I actually wrote, R48? Making shit up as you do just makes you look pathetic.
[quote]It makes me sick when people defend people like LBJ just because they have a (D) next to their name.
LOL.... As soon as someone here does that, we'll be sure to let you know.
Let's recap, shall we?
Dear Little Chum passes on fake vile "quotes" from LBJ.
I correctly note that nobody has been able to show that LBJ ever made these remarks, that they are fake.
Dear Little Chum: "Why do you defend monsters? It makes me sick when people defend people like LBJ just because they have a (D) next to their name."
I do so love this guy.
I thought the "Let's have all the gays move to Detroit!" idea was dumb, but this libertarian troll's idea is even dumber.
First off, he thinks that giving Detroit all of the advantages of the American system (free travel, tariff free trade between "Free" Detroit and the USA, free movement between "Free" Detroit and the USA, etc) but without paying any of the costs of participating in that system will somehow prove the Libertarian ideology right or wrong. That's absurd. If someone wanted this to be a true experiment, "Free" Detroit would have to compete on the same playing field as every other foreign country. All Libertarian troll's experiment would prove is that creating special economic zones with preferential treatment compared to the rest of the country contributes to economic growth in the SEZ. China has done the same experiments in certain coastal cities with success, but they are acutely aware that this only works in certain advantageously located cities - and that you cannot have the food supply and natural resources at the mercy of the market. Europe and the US (and almost everywhere else) agree that the food supply cannot be wholly in the hands of the market.
His assertion that race has nothing to do with Detroit's current situation also shows a shocking lack of knowledge of the history of Southeast Michigan. The Race Riots, white flight, and the rise of Coleman A. Young, Orville Hubbard and even L. Brooks Patterson all contributed to capital flight from Detroit. It's impossible to claim that race has nothing to do with the fact that Detroit, the blackest city in the country is severely impoverished but surrounded by some of the wealthiest and whitest Zip Codes in the country. Race politics continue to dominate Southeast Michigan. To claim that race has no correlation to Detroit's decline is utterly absurd, and I can't think of a single person (other than you, of course) on the left or the right who would argue that race politics hasn't had a significant impact on Detroit and Southeast Michigan.
So you're saying that blacks are incapable of taking care of themselves that they need white men to do it?
Not at all. I'm saying race politics contributed to Detroit's decline - something virtually everyone on both the left and the right agree with. Thanks for not reading a word I wrote and coming to a completely irrational conclusion, though!
R53, it is impossible to read, and re-read your post without seeing that you think blacks are inferior.
If not, then why not allow them to become a free city, unencumbered by the bullshit of DC, and allow them to flourish? Fucking racist.
Jesus Christ R52/R54 is dense.
[quote]it is impossible to read, and re-read your post without seeing that you think blacks are inferior.
Actually, it is impossible to read his post and see any sign at all that he thinks that blacks are inferior, which is why you couldn't provide any quotes to back up this silly assertion of yours. You really can't read, can you?