[quote]I started having pain in the testicles, i figured i sat down to fast and injured myself, upon doing the self-exam i noticed a lump. I went to my primary care doctor, the medical assistant wanted to know the exact reason, I told her "non specific male issues" she did not like this. Once the doctor finally checked he ordered a STAT testicular ultrasound. I called to book the test, i was told my techs name, she was obviously female, i asked for a male tech, i was denied as they didnt employee male ultrasound techs, I refused to be exposed infront of any females.
[quote]Once I was out of surgery in post op i remember the female nurse trying to lift the blankets to place an ice pack on my groin instinctively i hit the blanket down and said NO (the first time i spoke since waking up) The doctor came over and told the nurse as he placed it from the other side. Not to expose the patient and if anything was needed that they were to call him to do it. I got dressed and moved to the discharge nurse, due to the type of surgery i was required to urinate prior to discharge, after being hounded, I finally had the urge, when i got up to go into the bathrom the female nurse tried to follow me into the bathroom, my brother (he is a BIG boy) kind of pushed his way in behind me this nurse was MAD she was huffing and puffing her attitude, and slammed the door shut. She looked back towards my bay where my mother was sitting watching the nurses behavior. the nurse was mumbling giving my mom dirty looks. I always get told "its just another body part its no big deal to us" but not one nurse can explain to me that if it is not a big deal to see it, why is it a big deal NOT to see it ? Email me if you guys have any questions so it can be posted I do want to share my story so others know they CAN stand up for themselves !
Poor dear must have suffered terribly when his mother changed his diapers.
He must have tinymeat and be SO embarrassed because of it.
Imagine a lifetime of male doctors. Especially gynecologists.
My method for icing the testicles of a conscious patient is:
"Here, if you place this icepack on your testicles, it will reduce pain and swelling."
Any sensible man would flinch at the thought of some grizzle-toothed, drug-addicted white-trash N.A. or cunt of color attempting to "help."
As near as I can tell from working in the field, only a male crush fetishist would want to have one of these mean-spirited, man-hating creatures tend to him.
My doctor has a male nurse - a hunky ex-Army medic. OP probably would approve of the male nurse, but OP wouldn't like my doctor because my doctor is female.
R6 = EXTREME misogynist with MAJOR unresolved Mommy Issues and inexplicable racism
This thread shows yet again how furious so many of you are the real world refuses to be like gay porn.
No R3 got it right. Small penis.
God, what a freak. (You too, r6.)Does he suppose there were no female personnel in the OR when he had the surgery? Does he think female nurses and doctors really get a thrill out of looking at his nasty old junk?
[quote]I always get told "its just another body part its no big deal to us" but not one nurse can explain to me that if it is not a big deal to see it, why is it a big deal NOT to see it ?
Gee, freak show, maybe it's because you just had surgery on it and it's her JOB to check the useless thing!
I agree with this guy. I prefer female doctors and nurses. If a male nurse or doc got an attitude with me I'd give it right back. It's your body and you are in charge of it. The patient's comfort level is what matters, not theirs.
Emergencies are a different story, of course, but when you have an opportunity to choose who you want for an elective procedure, then no one should be able to bully you into doing something you aren't comfortable with.
[quote] Emergencies are a different story, of course, but when you have an opportunity to choose who you want for an elective procedure, then no one should be able to bully you into doing something you aren't comfortable with.
Since you'll likely be knocked out anyway, what the fuck does it matter?
But the doctor and the anesthesiologist will know that I laid there for 10 minutes, spread and fully opened to the male gaze.
Yes, sure, you should feel comfortable with your regular doctors, and if that means they need to be same-sex, so be it. And if you need surgery, of course you should choose the surgeon. But when having surgery followed by a hospital stay, it's bit unreasonable to expect that the entire staffing plan for the OR and your floor will be built around your need not to have ANY opposite-sex medical personnel see your private parts (which, for god's sake, really are just like any other body part and not private at all from a medical worker's standpoint).
This demand is particularly unreasonable if you are a man. Are these freaks unaware that even today, the large majority of nurses are women, and most low-paid med tech positions are filled by women, too? It's funny, because you know that when they're not worried about Naughty Nurse Nancy sneaking a peek at their peepees, these dudes are probably completely sexist in their attitudes toward men in traditionally female jobs.
I wonder if these guys are aware how many men in the health care field are gay?
If they are worried about someone looking at their junk, or worse, making fun of it, I think they might be better off with women.
Do you always sit down to fast?
Personally, I sit down to eat...
"i figure i sat down too fast" made me lol
Agree with R3. This sounds like shame, not modesty.
The linked website is scary! And almost certainly the work of religous freaks of some sort or other. The whole "modesty" fetish sounds like Dominionists or whatever.
(And BTW, what ever happened to our Dominionist troll? I don't think he's been around for several weeks. Did they get to him? Gak!)
People who are so fucked in the head that they can't allow their precious bits to be gazed upon by healthcare professional of any gender need to just stay home and DIE.
Haha, I sent the link to my friend, a female urologist. I'm sure she violates countless 'modest men' every day, the hussy!
I can only imagine what he would have made of the two grizzled dykes who assisted the doctor with my colonoscopy. I (dude) found their gruff but lovable presence comforting. Course I was out like a light five minutes after hitting the table, but still...
Notice how men uncomfortable with female medical people are mocked and slurred here... But every fucking female on this site (and many men, unfortunately) thinks there should be a Federal law making women 'feel safe and comfortable' at the doctor,
Christ, at this point I'd PAY to get violated. By anyone.
Not a Michael Jackson fan at ALL, but am I right in remembering that a (male) doctor was alleged to have checked out his dick when Jackson was unconscious on the operating table? Not only that, but the dr also joked about it?
Don't forget poor Monty Clift. Not only was he mocked for having tinymeat whilst alive, but then the story was that as he lay in the morgue, people would gather around and point and laugh at his smallness. No peace even in death.
When I had bladder problems a few years back, I was advised by my Doc to head to the nearest emergency room and let them get a catheter in there. I had been in hospital a few times prior, but it was never an issue to have something inserted in "down there." Well, the female nurse with an orderly witnessing, went to work and I totally surrendered any modesty I had lived with all my life. I had a few setbacks and wound up with a catheter for almost two months. It had to be replaced several times and by the time it was all over, I had been "revealed" to about a dozen male and female medical people.
No more modesty for this guy. You wanna see? Here ya go!!
I've had a woman pcp for years. (I'm a gay male.) I love her! She has seen every part of my body during all kinds of routine and specific exams. I think nothing of it. She's doing her job and I find her an excellent physician. Yes, she's even given me my prostate exams. What's the big deal? .. Several years ago I had a gay doctor. Because I wasn't HIV positive, he had little interest in me as a patient. The whole staff was as gay as pink doodoo. And the parade of queens that made up his clientele was a real turnoff. The emphasis was not on good health and well being. It was on "gay" health. A little too superficial and non-inclusive for me. I'm much happier now.
R20, Dominion Wackiness Troll said that he/she wouldn't be able to post regularly on Mondays anymore. He/she will post when able however, though it may be infrequently.
How does he ever have sex with women if he's terrified of anyone seeing his penis?
I agree with the suspicions about extreme tinymeat/micropenis.
As a long time health care working in many capacities there has always been a double standard.
Men have never been provided any modesty. Strip and expose is customary. Nurses are tough cookies and can take care of business when needed.
Truth is male nurses are seldom given access to female patients and when they do the simplest protest will stop that access.
Not enough men in nursing, so hard to provide any modesty. Wait until you get to the nursing home unless you luck out and get a cute orderly.
So did the surgery heal Scalia?
Wow. I've never thought twice about this. I mean ... they're professionals, there to do a job. I'm sure they could give two shits about my package.
Whip it out, Take her home with me
Whip it out, it is all I need
Whip it out, I only got one chance
Cut or uncut, but they all can dance
No R 24.
It sucks. I constantly had doctors feeling me up all the time no matter what I went in for.
I would go in for a flu and get felt up.its made me uncomfortable of doctors of both genders.
Are doctors supposed to rub the nipples and check the prostates of 16 year olds during a routine physical?
What r32 said. I seldom use the phrase "get over yourself" but it applies here.
Well, what about muslims? Remember that bartender who couldn't even cut a woman's hair. They do everything separate. What happens if a devout muslim man has to go to the hospital here in the US and female nurses will be tending him? Or a muslim woman who gets brought into the emergency room---does she have to be treated only by female docs and nurses?
I believe Muslims (at least the ones who aren't ultra-conservative and like to make up their own rules) have a medical personnel exception.
I was a health care worker for many years. Working at a hospital in a small town. One of our doctors was notorious for feeling up make patients. It was never really talked about openly and many did not know he did that.
A guy that worked for me was telling me and the other workers that he had seen Doctor Jones for a sore throat and he wanted to feel his nuts.
We all just howled. Once we filled him in he was good natured about it and blushed a little saying "So that is why he didn't charge me?" He indicated it was a fair trade off.
I have always seen a female nurse practitioner, preferring one over a doctor.
A dear elderly friend, Lucy, explained to me that as a young woman she overheard two male doctors discussing the bodies of their elderly female patients - and she has insisted on being seen by female doctors ever since.
[R32], you've got it exactly right. With typical 12-hour shifts, a CNA, tech, or nurse would have to be a man or woman of steel to notice or care about what any patient has down there. It is a job.
Thank god I have a big ol' dick and don't have to fret over such things.
When people say they prefer a person of the same gender, etc, to be their caregiver, I remember how in Imperial Russia, Jews weren't allowed to be MDs because that society didn't want them to put their hands on gentiles -- especially the women.
So this sort of preference thing can go too far, although since MDs and nurses are people and can be freaks too, it might be a good idea to acknowledge this fact openly, instead of cloaking it in gender preferences.
None of you have something in your pants that health workers have not seen before. A nurse taught a class I was in how to catheterize a male patient and asked for a volunteer to be catheterized. The class leader got up on the gurney. He removed his pants, got on the gurney she covered him with a sheet, folding back to expose his genitals and proceeded to demonstrate. It wasn't the first dick she had seen nor was it the first one we had.Every male has one, well most males. I know some on this site have two.
[quote] Remember that bartender who couldn't even cut a woman's hair.
Damn those Muslim bartenders!!!
I wouldn't want a female doctor, mostly because of the prostate exam procedure. Women tend to have long boney fingers and I can't stand the idea of that going up my ass.
Rev Fred is a hoot!
[quote] I believe that Divine Providence placed me as a patient in the OR, permitted to be demeaned by female medical workers, in order to experience firsthandedly, some of the vexation of my departed church member.
[quote] The following year, I did walk a mile in my congregant's mocassins.
Basically another way to try and screw over women. The one 'traditionally female' job, and now they are pissed that there are no men on the wards.
I don't have micropenis, but it is smaller than average and it is the "grower" type that really shrinks away when not erect. In Junior High School, I was embarrassed in the gym showers, but I got used to it. Now I've had all sorts of medical care by male and female personnel, and in traveling North America as a truck driver, I take showers all over the country with strangers, go to nude beaches at every opportunity, and have some level of sexual activity with anyone who is willing, male or female. The idea of wanting privacy from female medical personnel is just weird to me. And hiding the tinymeat doesn't make sense, as you get over that by the early 20's.
Yes he was hot,tall, built, blond with a big dick.
Well now, R51, you've just made this thread useless without pics.
I agree with the poster who commented on the double standard: It is okay for a woman to not want her private areas examined by a man; a man who does not want his private areas examined by a woman becomes a target of anger or/and ridicule
Receiving medical care of an extremely personal nature by the opposite gender depends on the context (at least for me). ER or major surgery is distinctly different than an outpatient appointment with your urologist. When choosing a physician, the only things I’m certain about is board certification and gender, everything else is a roll of the dice. When agreeing to a particular exam or procedure, I’ve at least established a professional relationship and comfortable enough with that physician to agree with his (or her) recommendation. My issue with a urological procedure and the physician requiring assistance, is the female nurse/assistant, who’ve I’ve never met, arriving in the exam room unannounced, with little if any introduction, and no explanation of why their presence is required. Additionally, I’ve no idea what their professional qualifications are. Many times they are not nurses’ at all but simply medical assistants. Personally, a female high school graduate, with 12 months of vocational training, has not earned the professional distinction to witness, much less participate, in any exam or procedure of a personal nature. However, if I’ve established a professional relationship with a female nurse, I may agree to her presence, if informed consent is obtained. For me personally, the gender of my doctor when I need to be undressed or talk about very personal health problems is important. Being seen undressed by male nurses or assistants isn’t much different than changing my clothes in the locker room at the gym. But undressing for women (I’m not married to) is very uncomfortable.
Having been on the receiving end of just such an incident, I asked my Urologist the following questions: With the exception of yourself and another male physician, I see an all female team. Given the extremely personal nature of the care you provide and the potential for embarrassment, where are your male staff members? Response: the only males are two of three physicians. You do understand many men, if asked, would decline opposite gender intimate care? If you doubt that, just look at the male/female patient ratio between the three physicians of this practice; that’s no accident. Response: 70% of male patients are seen by the two male physicians and indicated he was aware of patient preferences. You would never expect a female patient to submit to an intimate examination or procedure with a male assistant without asking first, correct? Response: He agreed. If you require assistance to perform a particular exam or procedure, do you ask your patient whether a female attending is acceptable? Response: No. Why do you assume its OK for a female to be present? Response: He doesn’t have any male nurses or assistants and cannot afford to staff a practice with all male staff. I replied no one expects an all male staff; one would be better than none. Response: No comment. Your failure to ask is presumptuous, unethical, and unprofessional. Instead, you and your assistant effectively ambush patients expecting compliance. Naked in need of medical care is a difficult time to make a stand. Where is the informed consent? Response: no comment. Needless to say, he is no longer my physician. There is clearly only one standard of care for both genders; I am entitled to the same standard of modesty, dignity, and privacy that female patients are routinely afforded!
Well R54, I...zzzzzzzzz
It is true that R54's post is way too long. But I did take the time to read it and his argument is completely valid. Discrimination against men is accepted in these situations.
Women are routinely granted same gender intimate care and if not and they object, the medical system goes out of its way to comply with their request.
We're not even asked; just expected to deal with it. Additionally, I've had a number of experiences with female nurses who thought my healthcare was a spectator sport; it is not.
Male nurses would likely have been fired for treating female patients in the same manner.
Frankly, I could care less what they've seen, the procedures they've performed, or their claimed "professional" status. Comments like these are intended to shut down patient objections.
I'm the patient and paying customer and how I feel and my personal comfort level are the only thing that matters. It is after all all about the patient isn't it!
This double standard must change. We're all entitled to the same standard of care but in reality don't receive it.
This is why we hate you.
Can't stand the truth can you?
No, women don't always have access to female gynos and other medical personnel. Every insurance company I've ever had, there were a few female doctors, who were always full up and I could never get one. I don't really care about internists or GP's but it's nice to have a same sex gyno, just because I remember the bad old days when doctors would call women crybabies if they said anything hurt and just generally be very dismissive and insulting. That's what's really unpleasant, not the sex of the doctor.
The last surgery I had, I needed to go to the bathroom right after. Two young guys I'd never seen before helped me and saw my bare (fat, old) ass. Did I want them to? No, but they were doing their job and I'm not going to insult people who are trying to be professional and do their job.
Anybody who thinks it's all females all the time in the hospital and other meducal settings must not have been sick in the last few years. They just send whoever they have and you can get anybody. My dad was bathed by cute young girls in the nursing home, and he would flirt with them. I'm sure they didn't like that either, he was 80 years old and a lech.
[quote]Frankly, I could care less what they've seen, the procedures they've performed, or their claimed "professional" status. Comments like these are intended to shut down patient objections.
I agree with this. You often hear, "oh, don't worry, we've seen it all a million times." Who cares? I haven't been in this situation a million times and I don't take the same bored, cavalier attitude you do when it comes to my one and only body, so a little sensitivity would be greatly appreciated.
How many male nurses or assistants have you seen at your OB/GYN practice?
If you get meTV, there's a Brady Bunch episode on right now about this issue from a child's perspective.
Male nurse here.
One thing that is drummed into you in nursing school is to respect patient modesty. I've never, ever seen this basic medical tenet violated in any way.
You're doing a job, you get very clinical, you don't even think about sex stuff.
Muslim women are the most obnoxious about all this. Usually they are just off the boat from some backwards Muslim country, can't speak a word of English and are just plain ignorant. Demand female doctors, nurses and attendants. Oh, and we pay their medical bills, folks.
Male nurses - none. Male doctors - plenty. And a lot of them act like they hate women.
At the hospital - lots of male nurses, and they do not serve men only. Every woman I know who's gone to the hospital for the last few years has had at least one male nurse. They are usually pretty nice guys. Last time I went, I had all males but one, my dad had all females. Go figure.
R54, right on! Glad you followed up with your urologist. That never occurred to me until long after, even though the doctor performed an endoscopy of my bladder through my urethra without local anesthetic because I was his last patient that day and he was in a hurry to get to his golf game!
The extensive procedures later performed on me by a female at that former urologist's office bordered on barbaric, not to mention extremely painful and embarrassing. I cannot imagine a female patient undergoing a similarly invasive, extensive procedure by a male "health care worker."
Thanks for your thoughtful post; you are 100% correct!
I have a friend who is a doctor. He says that a lot of his dates want him to "play doctor" as foreplay. He finds that very boring since it's work to him.
r66 women have been undergoing invasive procedures performed by male health care workers for years. man up, bitch.
Cut it out, R23. My coworkers 70 year old MIL insisted when she moved here that she must have a male doctor. People can be all kinds of irrational.
Some of you people need to fucking grow up. It is absurd to care about the gender of a hospital health care professional. Your only concern should be that the person is competent. Whining that someone is bad at their job because of their gender is ridiculous.
I far prefer a woman PCP. The last time I requested a woman, the customer service person at my HMO inquired whether I would be willing to say why. I said it was because men don't listen and I don't want a doctor who doesn't listen to me. The CSR laughed and said her father is a doctor and he never listens to anyone.
My current (woman) MD never listens. That's a doctor thing. If women MDs seem to be listening, they usually are listening for gossip.
R57 women are routinely sexually abused by male doctors. Yes, men are less likely to report it, but women are also less likely to perpetrate it. The double standard exists because men are different than women.
I hope the pussy of a man from the OP gets some sort of horrible post-op infection because he refused to let the nurses do their job.
"Some of you people need to fucking grow up. It is absurd to care about the gender of a hospital health care professional. Your only concern should be that the person is competent. Whining that someone is bad at their job because of their gender is ridiculous."
Where in this entire discussion has anyone complained someone is bad at their job simply because of their gender?
While I agree their professional competence is the overriding consideration, how are patients supposed to determine whether their competent or not?
If making an appointment for healthcare of an intimate nature, surely you must agree that in the absence of objective provider data, patients will continue to choose providers their comfortable with and gender is one of the few facts that's readily available.
"women have been undergoing invasive procedures performed by male health care workers for years. man up, bitch."
Its now payback time? Societal standards have evolved and that's a good thing for all. However, its reprehensible to claim that its OK to treat today's generation differently because of the perceived injustices of previous generations.
I had to have a testicular sonagram once, wherein a GIRL ran a computer mouse thingie over my nad. I asked whether there were any males available for this procedure, and was told "No!"
Patients have the ethical and legal right to choose who and to what degree a provider (physician, PA, NP, nurse, medical assistant, student, or chaperon) participates in his or her healthcare! Most people are reluctant to question or object because they're sick and uncomfortable in an unfamiliar environment where providers act and expect patients to be compliant. Be respectful but speak up and be insistent. To mitigate the situation in the first place, when making the appointment, insist on the gender you're comfortable with. Realistically in a female dominated profession, this is somewhat problematic for male patients. In that case, go somewhere else. If that's not an option, just say no. You might be surprised the lengths a physician's practice and especially a hospital will go to ensure your satisfaction. If not, complain to the practice, hospital, state nursing and physician boards. This practice of always granting a female patient's preference while ignoring those of male patients is unethical, unprofessional, and illegal. The system will only change if patients insist on the same standard of care regardless of gender.
I use the modesty claim thing to my advantage. Of course I'd rather have a male nurse or hot little guy tech tend to my privates - Unless it's to administer the enema, then old Broomhilda is just fine.
R54's post is excellent.
I'm really surprised at some of these responses.
I don't give a fuck if the care provider is straight, gay, male, or female.
Then again I'm male, and I understand that women have been mistreated in the medical system.
I had a testicular sonogram by a young female technician who was very respectful and professional about it. It can be embarrassing but I don't think I would have felt any better with a male technician.
When I had a hemorrhoid removed I didn't mind the doctor's older "grandmotherly" nurse at all. But when he got a young good looking hot (female) nurse I did not like her looking at my anal slit...true story....
A few years ago I hurt my nose. When I started to get dressed after the treatment an orderly came running over and was like no no let me do that, don't bend over! He proceeded to just rip my clothes off and I was suddenly naked then quickly dressed.
It would have been hot if I didn't have pusss and blood oozing out of my face.
I have no problem being nude in front of a doctor of either sex provided we are alone. I refuse to be nude in front of a male and female doctor at the same time. I don't know why. That just makes me very uncomfortable. How's that for screwed up?
When I was hospitalized last year, my CNA was male (I'm female). He provided the best, most consistent care. He saw my naked ass more than once and I'm grateful that he was there. He was a real advocate and provided exceptional care. I also had four female nurses over my four-day stay. They were all proficient with varying degrees of awesomeness. They explained everything to me and did their best to help me maintain a tiny bit of modesty.
I had three male nurses in this same time frame. One was good. The other two were horrendous. One walked in, introduced himself and immediately flipped my gown up, exposing my girlie goods to a friend who was sitting in the room. He was creepy beyond words. I ended up firing him later that night because he did some unsanitary things to my IV catheter. And when I asked him about it, he tried to cover up his mistakes. He thought I was too out of it and too stupid to know. I'm sure they labeled me a difficult patient after that encounter but that man was a creepy, perverted, dangerous nurse. And, as I told the charge nurse, I didn't want to pick up an infection through the nurse's bad practices.
The third male nurse was shitty. I could tell he got into the field because he thought he was going to have a medical career. That man delayed my release because of his incompetence. The good male nurse was gay. He was awesome but overloaded.
Because of my experiences, I support any patient's right to demand a health care provider that makes them feel comfortable. A medical professional who makes someone feel stupid or difficult over such a simple request is no professional in my opinion. Yes, there will be instances where a person can't, and shouldn't, choose male or female. But I don't think it's unreasonable to expect nurses and doctors to value and protect my privacy. And that includes informing me if and when an extra person needs to witness an exam. It's not a value judgement against a nurse's skills if someone asks for a different caretaker but some of the posters in this thread act as if it is.
I'll take 'things that end in pam' for $500, Alex.
your sex organs are just like any other organ for a medical professional, after years of seeing everything honestly you really couldn't care less - this guy has issues, and like most people with issues it becomes a pain in the ass for everyone else.
"your sex organs are just like any other organ for a medical professional, after years of seeing everything honestly you really couldn't care less - this guy has issues, and like most people with issues it becomes a pain in the ass for everyone else."
The only ISSUE is your paternalistic and patronizing attitude that what the patient feels doesn't matter.
R81 anal slit?
OP,you're the one they laugh about at the nurses station.
I knew we had a lot of whackjobs on DL, but holy shit, this thread is just... wow.
Ya'll are fucking FREAKS.
It's a penis, get the fuck over it. EVERYONE has seen penii in their lives, and it's not a big fucking deal at all.
Cripes, I worked for a travelling carnival when I was 20, and for the first few weeks, I asked all the guys in my bunkhouse to leave when I was changing into my bedclothes for the night (I'm a chick). Finally, one guy said something very wise to me: "If I haven't seen it before, sweetheart, I'll shoot it!"
It really opened my eyes; I mean, everyone's got either male or female parts [duh], and everyone else knows what those parts surely look like. No need to be such a "no peeking!" freak!
FYI, if you are ever unconscious, there is an extremely high probability that a lady doctor or nurse will handle your man bits and give your a "one finger wave" during examination and catheterization.
R91, what does "one finger wave" mean?
You mean they'll waggle your unconscious bits about, as a joke?
r92 A finger wave is a digit up your doodie hole.
R92, it is a finger in the butt, to check for rectal tone and presence of blood.
There's a really simple answer: get your healthcare in Saudi Arabia. No danger of gender boundaries being breached. And you'll be with plenty of other religious whackjobs.
Seriously, what is this "modesty" thing ? It's healthcare, not a first date.
It's about being treated like a human being and not a car brought into Jiffy Lube, R95.
R95, the days of doing what the doctor/nurse/staff tells you without hesitation, question or consideration for the patient's dignity are over--and that's a good thing. I'm sure there are some who take it too far and put their own health at risk, but patients should be empowered to speak out when situations make them uncomfortable.
Oh man, R97, you really hit the nail on the head there. And it goes way beyond patient modesty.
There was a malpractice suit several years ago. A man had a stent inserted to prevent a heart attack due to a cholesterol blockage. They went in through the leg. This was right before a holiday weekend. There was a complication, and the patient's leg started swelling up. The surgeon was called in, but got pissy because he was leaving for a golf trip. He told the on duty nurse to page the on call doctor to deal with it. This was a disputed point. At trial, she said he never told her to do that. This was an elderly couple. As the husband's leg worsened, the wife kept going to get help. The nurses kept saying that if there was a problem the surgeon would have stuck around or put something in writing on the chart. They pretty much just thought he was just bitching because he was in pain and they dismissed him. He ended up losing the leg. The cost to do things like add a ramp to this couple's house and stuff was over 5 million. They lost the suit though, the jury said that it was the wife's responsibility to fight harder and demand that a doctor be summoned. Afterwards, the wife said that the reason she didn't is that her generation was raised to believe that the medical professionals were always right. You never fought them.
If your parents still think of doctors and medical professionals this way, as somehow higher than us normal folk, you need to remove that illusion from their heads. I had a doctor for a roommate for a bit. He used to give me advice just in conversation like make sure your surgery isn't scheduled right before their lunch break and stuff like that. Think of your job with its annoyances and such. They feel the exact same way. You need to be a strong advocate for yourself or your family member!
What a pussy.
I don't care the gender of medical professionals. All that matters is they be competent, thorough and professional.
Never let a female touch your genitals, she will jinx them.
What r99 said! MARY OP---do you REALLY think the doctors / nurses / techs give a fuck about your tiny peepee? These medical professionals see peepees and hoohas and buttholes ALL THE FUCKING TIME! Sheesh---unclutch your pearls AND your ass cheeks!
The "chick" at r90 should not try to speak for how everyone should feel in those situations. Ditto for r101.
I'm sorry, but a grown man who obsesses over this has some issues.
[quote](a "one finger wave") is a finger in the butt, to check for rectal tone and presence of blood.
[waits for punchline]
So fucking what?
They're checking for medically valid reasons. If there's blood in your ass, don't you think the doctor should know about it?
Jesus Christ, you think that medical personell get a thrill out of sticking a finger up your poopchute?
That they're doing it for shits and giggles? [pardon the pun]
Or that the finger wave is just to lube up your asshole for the next step, where they stick in their entire hand and forearm and treat you like a ventriloquist's puppet?
Seriously, ya'll are fucking freaks!
Are you all fucking retarded? There's an obvious double standard here. All the females posting here would never let a male nurse shave their vagina, then wash it, clean it, wipe it. Yet alone be exposed for no reason at all in front of a few male nurses. Female parts are less exposed than male parts also. Plus we all know how obsessed over penis size and the talks there.
It's time to get rid of this double standard in the medical field. Bitches just want to see as much dicks as they can, then they lie and say they don't talk about it, like they're not fucking human.
[quote]There's an obvious double standard here... Female parts are less exposed than male parts also.
Which is why women are less comfortable having their privates viewed by others, R105. Men are used to letting it all hang out in public washrooms, and anywhere else they want to piss, too.
And women as a species are much less visual than men are, we don't gawk and stare and size up men the way men do women.
If you don't believe me, watch men and women as they view hot, barely-dressed people (such as at a bar, or the beach, or just on the street). Men are blatant oglers, whereas women will only look at guys a little bit (if at all), and we certainly don't stare the way guys do.
R104, Take your meds. I know it isn't thrilling, because I'm the one that has to do it.
And R105, you know not of what you speak. There aren't nearly as many medical procedures that leave males with their legs propped up in a spread eagle position for with people putting instruments and hands inside them sometimes for hours with their face close to their junk.
[quote][R104], Take your meds. I know it isn't thrilling, because I'm the one that has to do it.
Wtf? I'm on your side, you stupid cunt. I was being sarcastic!
I ain't gonna let no woman touch my Charlie Browns!!!!!
If I'm sick, I don't really care who does what. I have some friends who are nurses, and they really don't give a fuck. They only things they care about are that you're clean (*looks at Cheryl*), and that you just do what you're told because they got shift to do.
Too often nurses and doctors want to treat your body like you are a car up on the rack at Jiffy Lube.
[quote]This thread shows yet again how furious so many of you are the real world refuses to be like gay porn.
"Forever furious the real world refuses to be like gay porn" should be the official motto of Datalounge.
[quotes]Female parts are less exposed than male parts also.
Which is exactly why more modesty and sensitivity is expected with female patients. Examining a woman's pelvis requires her to be literally splayed open with legs in stirrups and a doctor sticking his head in her crotch. Not exactly "turn and cough".
Even a prostate exam doesn't require men to be positioned into a contraption or "splayed" open. It's just bend over and bear it. Besides, it's a finger. Every man had pooped larger, longer and wider than a finger. Any guy who freaks out over a simple prostate exam has issues.
You can't compare men and women in these instances. In addition to anatomical features that require "compromising positions" for routine exams, women are socialized differently, and there is an inherent disparity in physical strength that makes women more vulnerable when they're alone in a room with man.
But a guy? Man up, dude.
[quote]Wtf? I'm on your side, you stupid cunt. I was being sarcastic!
You're doing it all wrong.
You're not going to change anyone's mind, r113. "Man up" and accept it.
Um, who's mind am I trying to change?
Women = expected to be modest.
Men = not.
Men who require extreme modesty = issues.
But I would think a poster at a gay board would support someone not conforming to gender expectations. Also, plenty of males have been socialized to be modest, especially around women.
Shyness is understandable, esp at first, but it's really in you Marys' interest to get over it. Your tackle box IS like Jiffylube to a competent medical pro and that's how it should be! Their isolated focus on the physical health of your manly bits gives them the perspective they need to do their job.
Not my lady bits!
If a woman wants to juggle my nuts like Captain Queeg, OK. If a male Dr does it, I don't care how ugly he is, he a guy tossing my boys and boys will react!
r87 it's hardly patronizing or insensitive - my patients comfort is essential and I am respectful of their modesty. I am conveying to you that honestly I do not care if I am looking at old/young, male/female - just like a surgeon looks at an open body cavity you think he or she cares about anything other than the procedure? You over sensitive and overly modest people are putting the blame on me, making it seem like I am the unprofessional one going into the lounge to talk with co-workers about how big your fucking dick is or isn't when in reality I am a trained professional simply, with a high degree of competence, experience and gentle care for my patient doing a procedure, nothing more nothing less so if you think I care about how much hair you have on your vagina, I don't - I hardly notice and won't even remember 10 seconds after we are done and your genitals will be among hundreds I will see that week so get over it.
Got it and I'm sure you're a great nurse. Moreover, no one is questioning your professionalism or empathy for your patients. However, its not about what you've seen, the procedures you've performed, or your professionalism. Exactly how or why is that supposed to make a patient more comfortable with opposite gender care. The only thing that matters is how the patient feels. Countless women daily choose same gender care and no one has a problem with it but guys cannot without being labeled sexist or worse; explain that!
A fertility clinic with which I have experience only allows male doctors to be alone with patients, who are all female; it's a reproductive endocrinology clinic, which is an OB/GYN subspecialty (think IVF).
Because all other male staff have to be accompanied by a woman, they--quite sensibly--only hire female clinical staff (other than the doctors, who are predominantly male, but OB/GYN is an old boy's field, bizarrely, especially its subspecialties).
I have no problem with this policy--makes sense all around. But urologists with male patients do not have a similar consideration.
I don't blame him. As a female I would find a different lab if all they had were male technicians doing vaginal ultrasounds.
Doctors/nurses are completely different. I prefer female but am OK with male ones.
When I pull my underwear down and my dick springs out I like to yell "Surprise!"
For decades women only had male gynos and had to deal with it and they survived.
This whole gender modesty issue is ridiculous, health care workers don't get their jollies looking at people's genitals, they have a job to do.
My son was delivered by male, my anesthesiologist was a male and of the several nurses that attended me that day one was a male nurse and it never bothered me that all these males were looking at my genitals.
My cousin is a gay male nurse practitioner and believe me they have seen it all and only want to make the patient feel comfortable.
If they truly "only want to make the patient feel comfortable", they'll certainly have no problem honoring a patients request for same gender care correct?
"For decades women only had male gynos and had to deal with it and they survived."
Its now payback time, is that correct? The point is women clearly do have a choice and are encouraged to make the choice their comfortable with! Why is it wrong for guys who have the same concerns to expect the same consideration, respect, and choice?
"This whole gender modesty issue is ridiculous, health care workers don't get their jollies looking at people's genitals, they have a job to do."
What you conveniently forget is we're both the patient and paying customer. Personally, for the exorbitant fees we're charged, I'm going to request, then insist, and if necessary demand the same choices women have; as someone else so eloquently said, you "get over it"! Patients have the ethical and legal right to choose who and to what degree a provider (physician, PA, NP, nurse, medical assistant, student, or chaperon) participates in his or her healthcare! Most people are reluctant to question or object because they're sick and uncomfortable and/or in an unfamiliar environment where providers act and expect patients to be compliant like inmates in the county jail! Be respectful but speak up and be insistent. To mitigate the situation in the first place, when making the appointment, insist on the gender you're comfortable with. Realistically in a female dominated profession, this is somewhat problematic for male patients. In that case, go somewhere else. If that's not an option, just say no. You're not refusing the exam/procedure, you're refusing one that is illegal and unethical. This practice of always granting a female patient's preference while ignoring those of male patients is unethical, unprofessional, and illegal. The system will only change if patients insist on the same standard of care regardless of gender.
Ed, you sound like your lady bits need a good fondlin'.
Further to R129's excellent point about having control over who has access to you when you're a patient: The residents and medical students leave when I'm really sick. Doctor's appointments are another matter. PAs, NPs and nurses are AOK, though. They do the majority of the nitty-gritty clinical work and have a lot of practice at their jobs.
This guy is right, males should have the choice to see male only medical workers, just as females are given that choice. Which one of you females will not feel uncomfortable with while a strange male or group of males medical workers open your vagina and examine it and then have the nerve to say "it's nothing we're haven't seen before.
Equal rights for everyone means just that. F UCK chivalry at this this point also, it's dead or almost dead at this point. You all killed it, good job.
This guy is right, males should have the choice to see male only medical workers, just as females are given that choice. Which one of you females will not feel uncomfortable with while a strange male or group of males medical workers open your vagina and examine it and then have the nerve to say "it's nothing we're haven't seen before.
Equal rights for everyone means just that. F UCK chivalry at this this point also, it's dead or almost dead at this point. You all killed it, good job.
Bump for laffs
My 89 year old grandmother had to have hip replacement surgery, she insisted on a female doctor as she was convinced that a male doctor would "go mad with lust" if he saw her naked body. Oh to have such a wonderful body image!
Funny, R135. In my hospital, we try to accommodate everyone as much as we can, no matter how racist, sexist, religious, etc. a patient is. Unfortunately, we often can't accommodate them. If it's that important to them, we'll call and request staff from other units, but that often requires a long wait time, annoying for us and them. BTW, I'm not equating racism and sexism with religious beliefs, but it's the same thing to us when a patient requires a specific person that is not available.
I love your grandmother, R135.
Realy all of these people are professionals allthey want to do is helping their patients sa n male myself i prefer female doctors and nurses ,been with my female doctor for ten years.The only bad thing about modesty is that it is preventing you from getting the medical care you realy need i hate it if a exam is neglected because of modesty issues by medical staff
Wow, it's nice to know you ladies have sucha heathy & caring attitude toward your male patients... Consider your career choice a failure, healthCARE professionals you are not. You are breaking your oath by merely posting your degradation of your patients, much less your actual "treatment" of them. It would bea far different thing in your eyes, if the gender roles were reversed. Male nurses calling women freaks & telling them to stay home & die. I find both misogyny & misandry (hate of males) to be disgusting... May you get better treatment than you deserve when ur old bitter sagging asses go to the nursing home.
I see this is an old thread, but i hope some of the witches see this... Compassion is part of your job???
Btw yes i admit it, i ended up here curious about nurse gossip. I overheard some embarassing remarks "his poor wife only gets nubbin lovin" "tee hee shouldn't I go get a pediatric cath? "etc... While my nurses thought i was asleep . I know these were merely silly remarks & had they realized i was awake i wouldn't have been the butt of them... But thenext day when i was a bit shy i was chastised for" making a big deal out of nothing". It felt very tongue in cheek mocking, at least very dismisive of my feelings? And yes i realize you can't run a hospital based on my personal hang ups... I don't ask for male care just a bit more compassion.
It may not be your problem, but it is damaging to a man's soul (just as being treated like meat is to a women's)
& before you start posting your small man overreacting jokes...
Yes i do have microphallus...
No, i can't satisfy my wife with intercourse without a much larger strap on.
Yes, i do have insecurity issues because of it.
How is that an excuse to belittle me as a human & treat me like whinning cattle?
[quote] I don't ask for male care just a bit more compassion.
Then what is your point? Why are you posting here? Nobody is arguing that healthcare workers shouldn't have compassion.
Also, you should be belittled for your spelling, grammar, and inability to present an argument.
The point is so called "professionals" who are almost always exclusively female, treat male patient medical care as some sort of spectator sport. And while they should have compassion, many times they don't; ask me how I know. Males are entitled to the same standards of privacy, dignity, and modesty but in reality don't receive it nearly to the same degree female patients do.
[quote]emphasis was not on good health and well being. It was on "gay" health. A little too superficial and non-inclusive for me.
Only a prissy or self shaming bottom would have this issue.