Damn, you watched 4 seasons in 2 days? That must've taken all your waking hours. I thought the show was ok, but an entire weekend of it would been maddening. The lazy, hackneyed writing on the weaker episodes, repeated endlessly, would be torturous.
I miss it too. It's a pretty recent show but for some reason I feel very nostalgic watching it. I guess in the end it was just a fun and hopeful show in a weird way. And, the early seasons were pretty damn funny.
It was great, and the shows are even better here in Germany, with synchronisation. German is a pretty cultural language.
W&G reruns are still fun to watch. I just started DVRing them on Hallmark. They're currently showing the 2005 eps with Alec Baldwin in at least ten eps as Stan's lawyer and they're quite good IMO.
When it was on the air, Will & Grace was the best written and acted sitcom. And OP, I agree with you...there were lots of laugh out loud moments each episode.
But it had a longer than average run, and eventually everything comes to an end. But I, too, wish it was still on the air. I wasn't tired of it at all even if it had its run and the actors, writers (and perhaps the audience) etc., had their fill. Karen was one goddamn funny bitch.
The show used to be on the Lifetime Network at 8:30 in the morning while I was getting ready for work. I loved starting the day off with Will & Grace.
Good show. Worst series finale ever.
Harry Connick Jr.
I downloaded three seasons (4, 5 & 6) and have been watching them over the past few weekends. It absolutely holds up. Lots of laughs.
They say "fag" a lot. Can you even say that word on network tv anymore? Even if you are one?
Is there any place to watch the uncut episodes? Posters on IMDb said even the DVDs are of the syndication prints.
I watched this show for Karen.
Everyone who counted had a guest spot. It justified and glamorized support of the gay community. It helped dispel the belief that mainstream had regarding straight gay supporters as really gay themselves. It allowed straight women to flaunt their superiority over close minded, bitter biddies by saying "You wouldn't get it because men in general aren't seeking you out". Attractive, charismatic women attract most men, regardless of orientation, was the message.
"When it was on the air, Will & Grace was the best written and acted sitcom."
Oh, bullshit. FRASIER left W&G in the dust in terms of writing and acting. Just look at the tripe Mutchnick and Kohan have done since.
Also, I continually find it bizarre that gay people wax nostagic about a show about a gay man whose only meaningful emotional relationship is with a woman. How thick can people be?
R13 The only thing uncut about "Will and Grace" was Eric McCormack's dick.
Unfunny show. Only got a shot thanks to Seinfeld leaving the air. Look at the crap the creators have turned out post-Grace. It's the same formula and lines. People hate their newly created shows because they weren't shoved down the throats of the public, demanding that they love it. Had that not been doing with W&G, the public would have hated that too.
Let's also be real: the gay minstrel act the show had going is what kept it afloat.
I love Will and Grace, but near the end I was really loathing Grace. The best laughs in the last few seasons were when Grace would get into some kind of mishap caused by jack and Karen and when they were making fun of her. They should have renamed it the Jack and Karen show and carried on. Also, Harry Connick Jr. should have been killed off in some horrible accident, again caused by Jack and Karen.
I still maintain that Harry Connick Jr. ruined that show. Anything with Leo is god awful.
Best W&G guest stars?
Edie Falco and Chloe Sevigny
[quote]Attractive, charismatic women attract most men, regardless of orientation, was the message.
You are a bit insane, dear. Look into it.
I loved Will and Grace, but the message was quite a bit deeper than that, and not gender-specific for that matter.
You forgot Stuart Townsend as Karen's silly, horny, bisexual pastry chef.
The best W&G guest star was Minnie Driver. her scenes with Sean Hayes & Megan Mullally were some of the best of the series.
Worst guest star was Jennifer Lopez except for her one line when she asked her dancers: "Which one of you is not wearing Glow?"
Show started to suck when Grace got fat.
I agree about Lopez, but she wasn't in a cameo role, she was just on the show as Jennifer Lopez.
Agree r18 - that and the fact that neither Will nor Jack ever had a serious relationship with another man for the entire run of the series, so the perceived "EEWWWWWW" factor was eliminated.
All of Will's BFs lasted a few episodes and then they were gone. And rarely was there any physical contact.
"Also, I continually find it bizarre that gay people wax nostagic about a show about a gay man whose only meaningful emotional relationship is with a woman."
Boy, ain't that the truth. I've seen similar posts like that about this show, and the W&G defenders ALWAYS avoid dealing with that aspect.
The irony is that the W&G creators failed with PARTNERS this season - I only watched one episode (it was dismal) but there was no chemistry between the two actors playing the gay couple, and no hint of attraction either.
For anyone who watched that show to the bitter end, did that change? Did the two character even touch or kiss each other?
It's sad that an almost equally dumb show like THE NEW NORMAL looks downright radical in comparison, though it would be nice if the gay couple could get into bed without their T-shirts on for one (I just want to see Bartha shirtless).
R21, the woman who played Jack's acting coach Zondra. She was fucking awesome! I know she is pretty famous but the name excapes me.
r22 is a nasty little sponge troll taking up residence on someone's couch. There's no way you hold a job or keep a roof over your own head. Always getting kicked out of friend's houses and fired from jobs. Listen to yourself. You feel the need to argue the premise of a defunct TV show...how it was so much [i]deeper[/i]. You've certainly overstayed your welcome here as well.
Holy shit R30, please seek help for your mental issues.
Uh-huh. Riiight. Holy shit, you're wondering on how I've got your ticket punched. Thanks for the confirmation.
I agree, R20. I always wanted Grace to end up with Woody Harrelson. He provided a nice counterbalance to the fussiness of the rest of the characters. I wonder if it was his choice to move on, or the writers didn't know where to go with his character. There was something so nothing about Leo.
I loved it. As sitcoms go it was one of the more consistently funny ones.
R21, Matt Damon getting sassy with the gay men's choir.
Jack's acting coach was Mrs. Peacock on Clue.
Anyway, terrible series finale. They don't talk to each other for like 20 years? That's terribly depressing and takes a bit of fun out of rewatching the earlier episodes.
[quote]you're wondering on how I've got your ticket punched
Boy, you really nailed me. I'm just a quivering, tear-streaked mess after you correctly described me as "a nasty little sponge troll taking up residence on someone's couch". And it's all true. I was once a clean little non-troll sponge used to wipe down dishes, until I turned "nasty" and moved to my owner's sofa ("took up residence", even--all my sponge mail is now forwarded from the kitchen sink to the sofa).
Yes, that is all true. You have punched my ticket.
This must be the same razor-sharp insight that led you to conclude that Will and Grace's central theme wasn't tolerance and acceptance or the importance of friendship, but that women "regardless of orientation" should tart themselves up to attract a man's attention.
Yes. Of course. Absolutely.
Good call R29. She was played by Academy Award nominated (for Private Benjamin) actress: Eileen Brennan.
You can pinpoint the exact episode(s) when the things started going downhill: the Will and Grace decide to have a baby story arc. And I agree with R20, the character of Leo started to suck the life out of the show. The endless glut of largely pointless guest stars (prime examples: Madonna, Janet, JLo, and a few others) didn't help the either.
Cyndi Lauper was a good guest star. I also liked the cop with a thing for Will. Michael Douglas?
You people are fucking old.
The guest star I never liked was that homely weasely looking guy who played Jack's boyfriend for a few episodes, Stuart. He's famous to some of you for something I never watched, but ewww.
As far as Jack & Will in relationships, they tried it off & on (including Taye Diggs and Bobby Canavale for Will). I think it's the age old problem of whether sitcom characters are funnier dating a string of losers or being in love. Rhoda and Mary were a lot funnier single, too.
For many seasons, Jack and Karen did some of the funniest bits (individually and together) I've ever enjoyed, and still do on re-runs. It was a shame they both wound up the show playing those characters as childlike imbeciles. It's also odd to me how neither of them has come anywhere close to being as good in anything else (especially poor Megan Mullaley, who was brilliant so many times as Karen).
Megan Mullaly is on one of the funniest shows on TV - Childrens Hospital.
[quote]I loved Will and Grace, but the message was quite a bit deeper than that,
Yes, if there was one salient aspect to Will & Grace, it was the deepness of its message.
I loved Frasier during its actual run. I liked W&G well enough. Now? I can't stand watching Frasier in reruns, but watch W&G every chance I get and laugh my ass off. Frasier was by far the more clever show, but W&G had funnier moments, which must be what I want in an old show now.
I agree r43. Love Children's Hospital and NTFS SD SUV.
Who did Cyndi Lauper play, R40?
Frasier was smarter and more clever, certainly. But W&G was fun. And that's why I can still watch it.
I can still watch Friends reruns and enjoy them but I absolutely can't stand to watch Seinfeld anymore. I loved Seinfeld back in the day but now I can't watch it.
Karen and Jack were funny, and even Grace had her moments.
But it wasn't ever the great epic show people seem to want to make it. Will was the most neutered gay man ever for most of the run. The vague suggestions that Will and Grace were together was just too fucking bizarre.
Leo was dreadful and although Bobby Cannavale could fuck me any day of the week, Vince was a bore too.
I'd lump W&G with a show like Hot In Cleveland - not exactly a classic comedy for the ages, but a fun silly show to check out every once in a while.
And Karen Walker should be in her own show....
I liked the episode where Will tried ingratiating himself with Dylan McDermott who was a bit too close to his elderly mother. Ditto on the episodes with Minnie Driver and Matt Damon.
I do enjoy watching Frasier reruns but certain episodes stand out. The ones with Bebe and the one titled The Ski Lodge and A Valentine for Niles stand out as laugh out loud funny.
[quote]You people are fucking old.[quote]
Will & Grace was still airing in 2006. How old are you that you think six years ago is "old"? Twelve?
Wait, did you watch every episode of season 1-4? You must be lonely too.
Best episodes had Mr.Leslie Jordan!
What's the word on MM doing a show based on Karen Walker on Broadway?
I heard talk of it awhile back
I liked the episode of Will dating the ballet dancer who was always jumping around. That's my favorite. Plus Rosario cracked me up the most.