Jane Fonda really went after Faye Dunaway last night on Watch What Happens Live
They did that thing where he shows them pictures of their costars and they comment. Jane said Dunaway was "sad." She had said the same thing about Lohan. Then he asked what movies she auditioned for and din't get and Jane said Bonnie and Clyde and then added something they had to bleep which looked like "fucking bitch."
What is all the hatred about? Just loosing the role? or more?
Was Hurry, Sundown the film with Jane and Faye? I would have thought Faye wasn't too difficult that early in her career.
Tina! Bring me the axe!
I didn't know that Jane and Faye had ever worked together.
I saw the interview and I didn't think Fonda was being bitchy. Actually I thought she was kinda making a joke out of it. Btw, why does she pop up on these shows? She was uncomfortable with Kathy Griffin and even more uncomfortable with Andrea Cohen and Sandra Bernhard who seemed like she was patronizing poor Jane.
It was awkward when Bernhard was making fun of the Miami Housewives' surgery...Jane looked like the fox in the hen house.
You're a fucking looser, OP.
Jane was joking, OP.
A looser, OP! Did you hear R6? You're a fucking LOOSER!
oh r6 you found a typo and pointed it out! Good for you. You must feel so superior. People like you always make such a meaningful contribution in life....they add nothing but derive pleasure from pointing out other's mistakes. Wow. You can hang your head high at your death.
[quote]What is all the hatred about? Just loosing the role? or more?
Well, it could be for losing the role, too.
I think she was joking about the Bonnie and Clyde stuff bud the "sad" comment at the beginning didn't seem like a joke.
Famed producer Robert Evans said Faye was a demanding bitch when filming Bonnie and Clyde.
I thought that Jane describing Faye as sad when they showed a photo of Faye was a pretty blunt diss. I mean she called Lohan sad too so according to Jane Faye is on the same level as Lohan.
Is Faye homeless?
Jane has had many memorable movie roles,led a varied and interesting life. Has always been about something, looks terrific and is still relevant.
Faye, ah.....Bonnie and Clyde....has she ever been seen again? I don't know her for anything else and the few things I have heard about her were negative.
R15, how did you miss Faye's Oscar winning performance in NETWORK, or her classic role in CHINATOWN,or THE THOMAS CROWN AFFAIR (both versions!) or even, after the MOMMIE DEAREST and SUPERGIRL debacles, BARFLY?
I remember Susie Lee on DL saying she interviewed Jane, and she said Jane was a stuck up snobby bitch.
Do you mean the Jane Fonda of:
"I, a Socialist, think we should strive toward a Socialist society, all the way to Communism."
"I don`t want my wrinkles taken away - I don`t want to look like everyone else."
"I will never do paid commercicals"?
That fucking Jane Fonda?
Pardon me Miss, while I stick two fingers down my throat.
No, make it three.
Honestly I have forgotten all of that. Bad me. I did see Chinatown and it as a memorable movie. I don't remember that it was her in the movie. Maybe it is because I haven't heard about her or seen her anywhere in memory.
I am pretty out of touch I guess. Thanks for setting me straight,uh, setting me right might be better
OP stop being delirious. There is absolutely no hatred between Jane and Faye. Jane thought high of Faye, she didn't hate her. Jane have quoted:
'I was terrified when I turned 30. I was pregnant and had the mumps and Faye Dunaway was just coming out in Bonnie and Clyde (1967). I thought, 'Oh my God, I'll never work again. I'm old!'
Hang your head high?
You mean "Hold your head high."
Jane Fonda is a cunt!
One of my favorite images of Jane is her sitting next to ex-hubby Ted Turner at a Braves baseball game and them doing the "tomahawk chop" with the rest of the Braves fans. She looked mortified because the chop is/was considered racist.
STFU about Jane Fonda, you women-hating morons. She is worth more the the smallest joint in your little finger.
It if it was a joke, it was a weird thing to say because Dunaway IS sad, she got kicked out of a rent-stabilized apartment, lives in an ordinary bungalow in West Hollywood, and drives a 2007 Corolla. Meanwhile Fonda is filthy rich. It was an awkward joke at the least.
Wait,wait, wait! What exactly Fonda said about Dunaway? She just said that Faye is sad?
I doubt that. She must have said a lot more and you chose to stuck on the sad part. Telling that someone is sad is not offensive if you tell it with good will and in a certain context.
Jane Fonda was suppose to play the part of Sally in Woody Allen's Husbands and Wives.
Talks broke down when she refused to get her hair changed.
Instead the part went to Judy Davis, and an Oscar nomination to boot!
Jane could have won the Oscar that year instead of Marisa Tomei!
R29 your link is no longer available. Have you got another one? Thanks...
Faye is now doing Hallmark channel movies with Daphne Zuniga.
I like both Jane and Faye, i just believe that Faye is more sensitive and less diplomatic that Fonda. Now as it comes to beauty, Faye was more beautiful and charming than Jane in her youth, but they were both terrific actresses. They are.
R30, only people in the US can view it. It's still there.
[quote]I remember Susie Lee on DL saying she interviewed Jane, and she said Jane was a stuck up snobby bitch.
You forgot to say that Jane was in her twenties when that happened. It is not very likely that she's the same person she was fifty years ago. People mature, you know.
Lol...yes Jane sounded so mature when she stated
that at 74, she 'never had such a fulfilling sex life'.
Don't get me wrong. I like Jane, but i think she is not as mature as she want to sound. Mature people don't need to comment on everything,or to have a blog for their everyday activities, and they also don't say that they have as a goal 'to set an example for younger women'.
Stop judging Jane.
She is so sublime in KLUTE.
[quote] Lol...yes Jane sounded so mature when she stated that at 74, she 'never had such a fulfilling sex life'.
What's so immature about that, petal?
[quote]Lol...yes Jane sounded so mature when she stated that at 74, she 'never had such a fulfilling sex life'.
This was her full statement:
[quote]“At 74, I have never had such a fulfilling sex life,” she said. “When I was young I had so many inhibitions — I didn’t know what I desired.”
It's not quite about sex. It's about getting to a place where you know yourself well enough to experience sex in a fulfilling way.
What's the big deal?
BTW, quite a few people here on DL posted about meeting Jane Fonda in the past few years. Every single one of them found her to be a thoughtful and engaged listener.
A friend of mine toured with Dunaway in Master Class. He said she is certifiable. A real, no-holds barred loon. He has jaw-dropping stories about her.
I was at the screening for a FAye Dunaway film and Faye was acting all queeny and bitchy at the Q & A. Then this flamboyant young man who could be characterized as an empress stood up and sked Faye:" Faye why are you such a bitch?" Faye remained speechless and said Mary was escorted out of the room probably to cause mayhem at the mineshaft.
R14, I wonder what she thought of MOMMIE DEAREST. Her worst co-star portraying her archnemesis. haha
The Hissing Eldergay (THE)
Using "looser" on the DL is one the pleasures of the site. Like "graxy." The fact that the OP perhaps wasn't aware of tripping into a DL saying (recalling a long-forgotten poster's error and playing it up) doesn't excuse R6 for being unaware of the acceptability of the usage.
So R6 is a bloody cunt, and a newby to boot.
R17, "Susie Lee" was proved to be a fake.
I think Jane is not incredibly bright( I know, I should be so dumb) but is a genuine person and actress with an amazing number of good roles under her leggings. She is also very human and has admitted her over domination/dependence on men be it Father, husband or lover.
At least Faye Dunaway had a brilliant (if brief) film career. Wooden Fonda was great in Klute and (2nd Oscar notwithstanding) nothing else.
Jane's current BF is impossible FUGGLY.
Interesting to see Jane with her real hair and not the wig version.
The wig version looks better.
I love Jane Fonda because she is so helplessly compulsive. That makes her very human to me.
If Jane is such 'a thoughtful and engaged listener', why she stopped answering the questions of her fans in her blog? As far as i remember, i saw that she was answering to each of them, but her answers were brief and not very warm unlike her gigantic autobiography. Recently, i went to her blog and the 'Talk to Jane' was simply gone.
So i guess Jane talked to people firstly, because she wanted to advertise her autobiography and to win others on her side. Well it worked as it seems, because some of them find her really cool. A star doesn't have the obligation to answer in all of her fans, but from the moment she has a blog and starts doing that, she has to have the elegance to give a good reason for stop doing that. What was Jane's reason? I guess she had other important things to do...again! Lol! Yes, she will save the world with her will.
In reality Jane is not uncool but she is not cool enough either. If you are cool enough, you don't need to make always a demonstration of yourself.
R37, if you reach Jane's age and you find her comment absolutely sincere, then bravo to you. I think you are much younger than Jane, that's why you find her comment fantastic.
When you grow up, i guess you will find that old age is not the most sexually fulfilling age of all. That's just a fantasy of a good will.
I believe that Jane didn't have bad intentions when she said that, but it was a rather frivolous statement.
Jane is eloquent and tries to be positive as a person but she is not so real. She just strives to be real in front of other people's eyes but she is still a narcissistic chameleon.
On the other hand, Faye, maybe is a bit crazy and act like it sometimes, but Faye is more honest in her heart and in reality more humble and sweet than dear Jane is. Ok, she had those terrible plastic surgeries, but it was not her fault that they didn't work out for her. People should stop judging so superficially. The fact that Dunaway's plastic surgeries didn't work out for her, doesn't mean that she is less mature or respectable that Jane Fonda. A year ago, i came across a very beautiful interview of Faye. She seemed so humble and honest and when i say humble i mean that she didn't fake to be humble. She seemed to be a person that was aware of her mistakes and she didn't try to analyze them, like Jane did. I found her approach more honest than Fonda's. With a few really touching words Faye made me feel more 'human' and 'warm' that Jane did with her 'speeches'.
They are both great actresses, but i think that Jane is not 'that' honest. She is more of a sensationalist. I appreciate some of her views but she is not 'that' right. She should stop preaching and trying to 'set an example for younger women'. God, it's so immature and crazy to say such thing!
I stopped reading R50 after the third sentence. Did it ever get interesting?
R51, i guess you'll never know mon cheri...
During her Rosie interview, Jane talked about how she hesitated to take on the role of Klute. She felt Dunaway could do a better job with it - that she would never measure up.
Faye should get some sort of role on "Person of Interest"...a rich tech tycoon that's going after the Emerson character or a Senator who is investigating breaches into that thing he created.
I see on IMDb that Faye's Master Class is still in development! Still!
[quote][R17], "Susie Lee" was proved to be a fake.
No, she wasn't. Stop talking nonsense. There are some of you here who HATE the woman for some reason. What is it? Envy?
[quote]A friend of mine toured with Dunaway in Master Class. He said she is certifiable. A real, no-holds barred loon. He has jaw-dropping stories about her.
According to imdb, Dunaway is currently directing it for the big screen. I hope we get some on set gossip.
R12, Robert Evans is famous enough (or even "famed" enough, as you seem to prefer) that you can just call him "Robert Evans," particularly in context, rather than calling him "famed producer Robert Evans."
There was no possibility that I'd have confused him with my high school French teacher, Robert Evans.
[quote]There are some of you here who HATE the woman for some reason. What is it? Envy?
It's weird, isn't it? It's almost as if they can't stand the fact that much of DL took a great deal of pleasure in reading her posts.
A little OT but, since we were speaking of money (or Faye's lack thereof), did Jane inherit a bit from her mother? Wasn't her mother from New York society?
[quote]A star doesn't have the obligation to answer in all of her fans, but from the moment she has a blog and starts doing that, she has to have the elegance to give a good reason for stop doing that.
R51, I'll sum up R50 for you. Jane is not as good a person as Faye Dunaway for some amazingly vacuous reasons.
R14. That video of The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson is fucking hilarious watching Bette Davis rake Faye Dunaway over the coals.
Thanks for posting.
Bette Davis was always a riot on talk shows. There are a bunch of Youtubes of her on various shows in the 70s and 80s. She was very sharp and quick.
R62 I never called Jane vacuous, but you seem very eager to use this word for my reasons. How lovely of you!
By the way, i didn't say that Faye is more or less good that Jane Fonda. I wrote that Dunaway seems more sensitive and sincere in my eyes than Jane.
I don't force my opinion to you or to others about the impression i have for Jane or Faye.
I just simply discovered that Fonda has said and done things that are inconsistent to her words.
I remember her being so adamant on her opinion about plastic surgeries and botox. She had said that she would never have one and that she will be fond of her wrinkles.
Well, then, one good morning Miss Fonda suddenly wakes up and decides to have that 'intervention' to her face and then write about that on her blog.
What i don't appreciate in Jane (and believe me i think she is not a bad person, on the contrary) is that she is preaching about her past mistakes when in fact, she is not through with them. She keeps on saying about how fulfilling her life is now, when in fact...nobody's life is fulfilling just because they realized some things. There are only fulfilling moments in one's life. A really wise person knows that and they don't have to write guidance books for teenagers and young women. Wise people know that even after realization, one person can make the same mistakes and they are not so damn sure that they are above their past.
Faye is not that sure, and she is wisely silent about it for a crazy person!
According to several previous threads on Faye she's a heroin addict, which in itself would be sad.
"Don't fuck with me, fellas."
For some reason I always felt that that wasn't Faye doing Joan, but Faye doing Faye.
[quote]So i guess Jane talked to people firstly, because she wanted to advertise her autobiography and to win others on her side. Well it worked as it seems, because some of them find her really cool. A star doesn't have the obligation to answer in all of her fans, but from the moment she has a blog and starts doing that, she has to have the elegance to give a good reason for stop doing that. What was Jane's reason? I guess she had other important things to do...again! Lol! Yes, she will save the world with her will.
Holy shit, you sound like an insufferable asshole.
R60 She wrote in her autobiography that her mother was very good with money and so I would safely assume that both she and Peter inherited something.
WEHT Peter Fonda, btw?
May as well add this, R68. It gets even more insufferable as it gets warmed up.
[quote]What i don't appreciate in Jane (and believe me i think she is not a bad person, on the contrary) is that she is preaching about her past mistakes when in fact, she is not through with them. She keeps on saying about how fulfilling her life is now, when in fact...nobody's life is fulfilling just because they realized some things. There are only fulfilling moments in one's life. A really wise person knows that and they don't have to write guidance books for teenagers and young women. Wise people know that even after realization, one person can make the same mistakes and they are not so damn sure that they are above their past.
It looks like Peter Fonda has been working all along. Last time I saw him (maybe last time I recognized him) he was in a Tony Hillerman novel on PBS' Mystery
R68, yes i'm insufferable sometimes, but i bet you are more insufferable than me. You insult, you don't have any arguments to state. You just wrote a part of what i wrote, you didn't even bother to criticize it. You just blindly chose to call me an insufferable asshole. Well, your attitude speaks volumes!
Meltdown on aisle 72!
R72 = Ms. Dunaway herself
You are right r45. Jane seems like a nice person but obviously not the sharpest tool either.
I haven't seen the interview but I find it hilarious that things would be awkward with Sandra B. when Sandra has been blowing smoke up her ass on Twitter. Guess Sandy didn't notice?
R72 has more issues than a newsstand.
R76, vent your anger on me if it makes you feel better. Howeve,r i suspect you are the same person who tries to put me down, without having not even a logical argument to pose. By the way, you must be an OP because i can't troll-dar you.
Jane's right. Dunaway IS a bitch. She has a history of being nasty and snooty. And Jane should have gotten that part in "Bonnie & Clyde" but I think there was a little nasty casting couch humping going on. Jane Fonda is cool, she's real.
And don't start that "Hanoi Jane" bullshit. It's OLD. This is the 21st century, not 1968.
I hate people who trash Jane. She's all right and Dunaway ain't (only good thing she did was "Mommie Dearest" all her other movies were dull)
[quote]By the way, you must be an OP because i can't troll-dar you.
I'm sorry, what? Are you in the middle of a stroke?
I don't trash Jane. I criticize her. There's a difference. I wrote before that i find her a tremendous actress and i even like her. Don't stuck on the bad things, all the time. Gee!
By the way, i never thought that Jane committed a crime in that Vietnam incident. She did that out of her good will but she was naive one more time!
Should we let R77 make the thread all about her? The original subject seems to be exhausted and R77's issues and potential for entertaining meltdown have become much more intriguing.
[quote] And Jane should have gotten that part in "Bonnie & Clyde"
With Fonda's wooden acting, we would have never known at the end if Bonnie were dead or not.
I feel like Faye and Jane are actually posting and that makes me happy. Hey girls!
Fine, i pass! Happy?
Jane Fonda has apologized many times for going to North Vietnam. She said it was an extremely stupid error in judgement on her part, she is very sorry, and she wishes she never did it. The woman made a really dumb mistake, admits she was wrong, and has apologized profusely for it. It was 45 years ago and people just need to forgive her and move on.
[quote]Should we let [[R77]] make the thread all about her?
If we can endure it, it might be a service R81. I mean, if we in the virtual world find him so insufferable, imagine how the people in his real life must feel.
I know R83! This thread is a bitchy mess that Dunaway herself would be proud of!
Actually i think that thinking people can see who is right and who is just unfair and fanatical R77, R86 and all the rest mean and deaf replicas of you.
I will not post again for this thread. I gave what i wanted to give, i have nothing more to take as it seems. You are shallow. I won't keep on dancing on you negative tunes.
[quote] She's all right and Dunaway ain't (only good thing she did was "Mommie Dearest" all her other movies were dull)
I agree Mommie Dearest is good, even if it's only accidentally good. But Network is also a great movie, and Bonnie & Clyde is at least ok. Jane's made more good movies, but she's made plenty of stinkers too, and can be a terrible, screechy actress. Monster-In-Law is a perfect example of that.
Jane always seems rather brittle. I like her and she is a great actress but the word brittle just applies. Dunaway was more beautiful, and exotic looking back in the day, Fonda the more American girl.
I think 99 percent of the caftan jokes around here are tired and painfully unfunny, but R88 fucking wears a caftan, I just know it.
Faye made it on her own. Jane was only a star because Streisand turned down the parts that Fonda eventually got. Jane has Barbra to thank for her career and Oscars. She never would have made it without Barbra.
[quote]Faye made it on her own.
Jane turned down the role in BONNIE AND CLYDE.
Eva Marie Saint turned down THE THOMAS CROWN AFFAIR.
Jane turned down CHINATOWN, which was also offered to Ali MacGraw, who turned it down because she didn't want to work with Evans.
Jane also turned down NETWORK, which was then offered to Nancy Allen, who also turned it down to work with DePalma.
Anne Bancroft was first offered the Crawford flick, but passed after she saw the shitfest it was destined to become.
BTW, it is clear that Jane is dissing Faye Dunaway by calling her sad. Not a joke or an inside thing.
I see a lot of theatre. After a lifetime of shows, the best dramatic play I ever saw was the national touring company of Master Class starring Faye Dunaway. She was utterly brilliant.
[quote]Jane also turned down NETWORK, which was then offered to Nancy Allen, who also turned it down to work with DePalma.
That can't be true. Nancy Allen had only two minor credits in 1976. I doubt she'd be offered a lead like the one in Network. On The "Carrie" dvd she describes herself as being a desperate unemployed actress when she got the audition for Carrie. Carrie and Network were released within like two weeks of each other.
I wish that were true, R43. Unfortunately, graxy has never shown up anywhere but here. Looser is all over the place because most people are too lazy to correct their spelling or too stupid to understand the difference.
Chinatown...a true classic.
[quote]I see a lot of theatre.
It's spelled theater, cunt. T-H-E-A-T-E-R.
According to Websters r100:
Variants of THEATER
the·ater or the·atre
and don't call people cunts
[quote]Is Faye homeless?
No. I've posted this elsewhere but she's my neighbor. She lives a block away on a fairly modest property by Hollywood star standards. It's a pretty nice place and desirable area for us mere mortals though.
I don't think Jane meanly called Faye sad. It seemed to me that she feels its incredibly sad that Faye Dunaway is such a mess.
As most of us who remember what a great actress and moviestar she was do.
Amen, R103. DL is full of anecdotes about an insane Faye Dunaway berating salesclerks, waitresses - dry cleaning clerks. She's nuts. Jane Fonda's comment "sad" is accurate and kind.
But brutally honest, because let's be real, Faye has never been confirmed as being nuts by one of her peers before now right?
Faye turned down the role of Sable Colby on The Colbys, the Aaron Spelling spin-off of the nighttime soap opera Dynasty.
I'm surprised you meth'd out cunts have not mentioned the sublimely glorious work of Ms Dunaway's, "The Eyes Of Laura Mars".
It was a classic of the 70s, won all of the accolades of its year and I don't know about you, but in my Swiss chalet and Paris pieds a terre, I have it showing in a continuous loop in every chambre de mes castiles.
Qu'est-ce que le butler a vu?
It didn't win awards r108!!!! Lies!!!! Lies!!! and who on earth still uses meth? It's pills nowadays baby!!! Pills I tell ya!!!!
R101 = Carwash cunt.
Carwash cunt? really? oh my. r110 sounds like the ghetto.
[quote]It's spelled theater, cunt. T-H-E-A-T-E-R.
Theatre is what you go to see. Theater is where it takes place.
Sorry but I think both of them are nuts! Jane and Faye has said and done things through out their lives that are testimonials of their lunacy.
BTW, correction, Jane did not go to Hanoi in 1968, she went to Hanoi in 1972.Supposedly, Jane has 170 IQ.
But is it real IQ or Sharon "I'm in Mensa" Stone "IQ"?
R115, what is the minimal IQ level you have to be in order to be a member of Mensa?
Also, is the IQ 110 to around 112 average? above average? or high? Because someone told me their IQ was 112,and I don't pay attention to what is really high and what is really low.
[quote]"Susie Lee" was proved to be a fake.
BTW, about Susie Lee, I have communicated with people who know her, real name is Susan Kaszner, and she is the real deal. They told me she wanted to come back to DL because she loved to answer questions people had, and highly appreciated those who were warm to her ,but she was afraid to come back because of the awful things that were said about her by some, not all, on DL. She is older ,and she is not computer savvy so it was a real effort she made to come on DL.Also, she tried to come back to Dl but she got confused when DL changed its format at the time. It is so sad that the minority ruined it for the majority on DL.
BTW, I was told she is one nice very, very nice lady.
Here is the link to Susan Kasznar:
I'd really like to know what a "carwash cunt" is, because honestly, I have no idea but I find it sadly poetic.
I liked Faye in "Supergirl"
Heresy, I know...
The fact that Robert Evans not only did not produce Bonnie & Clyde and is a pathological liar in no way negates the fact that Faye is a total nutcase.
Whoever she was, there was only one problem with Susie Lee on DL: she was a crashing bore. Without a single decent anecdote to save her. Not a damn one. But Christ, was she fawned over by the flyovers. Clearly they'd never encountered an entertaining conversationalist in their lives! But the possibility that a poster might be Olde Hollywood had them wetting themselves and crawling on both knees. The deep provincialism was an eyeopener to anyone even slightly cosmopolitan.
"The deep provincialism was an eyeopener to anyone even slightly cosmopolitan"
And your "slightly cosmopolitan" provincialism is an offence to the truly cosmopolitan...
BTW, a quick thing about Robert Evens. Robert said Tyrone Power was thee most ladies man he had ever met,and a man's man. I guess Robert Evens was trying to say,Tyrone Power wasn't gay. Whats up with that? BTW, Robert Evens was and is one sick pig.He hired prostitutes to urinate on each other. If that isn't an example of a misogynist than I don't no what is. Sorry, I didn't mean to divert the subject.
It was a joke. Sheesh
[quote]I don't think Jane meanly called Faye sad. It seemed to me that she feels its incredibly sad that Faye Dunaway is such a mess.
Jane basically said on national TV that Faye is on the same level as Lohan, whom she also called sad. That's pretty much a diss.
And we're all "sad" compared to a 1%'er like her. If anyone can be expected to keep their claws retracted, it's someone who's never known anything but extreme luxury. What does she have to be cranky about? Nothing.
Being a high functioning addict may LOOK good, but it's a mess up there.
Jane is a whore and always was . . . she's played with more cocks than Jake Cruise.
[quote]Jane is a whore and always was . . . she's played with more cocks than Jake Cruise.
Can't believe a gay man would call woman a whore for basically doing what every gay men does. Or can I...
[quote]BTW, about Susie Lee, I have communicated with people who know her, real name is Susan Kaszner, and she is the real deal. They told me she wanted to come back to DL because she loved to answer questions people had, and highly appreciated those who were warm to her ,but she was afraid to come back because of the awful things that were said about her by some, not all, on DL. She is older ,and she is not computer savvy so it was a real effort she made to come on DL.Also, she tried to come back to Dl but she got confused when DL changed its format at the time. It is so sad that the minority ruined it for the majority on DL.
It saddens me to hear this. Her stories were highly entertaining to this NY-er.
R122, that you have the need to trash a woman who's had a very interesting life and was kind enough to share some of it with us, tells me all I need to know about you. What a sad, sad man you must be.