Germany's Angela Merkel Says No to Repairing Inequality
Newly reelected by her party and seeking a third term as chancellor, Angela Merkel walked away from a chance to lead on treating same-sex couples equally with straight couples in tax law.
The country's top court is expected to weigh in on the constitutionality of tax inequality before the end of 2013.
And her reason for this?
I mean I keep seeing idiot DLers tell us how it's the influx of brown people who are the reason for fledgling European "enlightenment," but let's be honest here - the "real" Germans and French are still bigoted assholes.
I hardly think she did this to win over the Germans of Turkish descent.
R1. Merkel's reason:
The Australian reports that Merkel had said she opposed equal treatment because she "sees marriage directly linked to the family and both are under the special protection of the state." Instead, her party (Christian Democratoc Union) considers only marriage between a man and a woman as protected by the country's constitution.
She also recently came out in favor of male genital mutilation even though most people in Germany are against it.
Fucked up cunt.
Angela Merkel is a vile German from the past era, still promoting the Nazi ideology on Gays.
Is her hopeless frumpiness ever discussed in the German media?
Yah, r4, way to keep focused on the big issues there. Only on DL is circumcision a major issue. And that's only because you have a fetish for uncircumcised cock.
It's a major issue in Germany, R8
Time for the American Gay Community to start boycotting German made Goods.
Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Adidas, BASF......bye bye to your Gay Market Share!
R8. So fucking what. Genital mutilation is a big issue. Merkel didn't really come out in favor of circ; rather she was against banning it, which went against the Cologne court's ruling to stop this practice. Fortunately, it's not a common surgery in Germany or the rest of Europe. However, it should be banned.
Paragraph 175 is alive and well in Germany Today!
But, but, but, she hates those evil Arabs, so we love her!!!
Is there any thread the circ freak cannot hijack? Go jerk off and leave us alone asshole.
Deutschland hat eine lange Geschichte von Homophobie, die offensichtlich bis heute anhält.
It's not surgery, R11.
The majority of the German economy is dependent on exports, primarily to America. It is an export based economy.
The USA has real power here.
Make German Companies pay for keeping this bigot in office. The American LGBT community can have a huge impact and turn this around. Gay Germans will love you for it!
She's clearly, and justifiably, angry with her stylist.
Merkel is good friends with anti-gay Canadian PM Stephen Harper.
Be afraid Canada, be VERY afraid!
She's trash. Vile, fascist trash. With the bankers' hands up her ass.
What do they export?
I wish Amnesty would publicly slam Germany and bring up Germany's Pink Triangle past while at it. Many people don't realize that the first widely used Gay symbol was from the German Consecrations camps, used to identify Gays for slaughter.
I realize the circ troll is a pain in the ass on other threads, but this time it is relevant.
It is a big deal in Germany and tied to larger cultural issues, specifically conformity.
The Germans and Austrians are really still Fascist assholes in a lot of ways.
I read somewhere that their citizenship laws are based on blood. A Turkish migrant could come there and work, but never attain full citizenship.
No wonder why they have an underclass of Muslims who are insular and resentful.
From Bild translated....
"Merkel told Sunday's Bild newspaper that she did not favour putting gay couples on the same tax footing as heterosexual ones"
Boycott EVERYTHING GERMAN MADE.
It never amazes me how supposedly "liberal" European/Anglosphere nations can be so backwards regarding equality. Hard to believe that places like France, Germany, Australia and Italy are lagging behind even *Iowa* in gay marriage.
Germany is not, nor ever has been a Liberal European Country - read a history book. France or Spain, yeah.
The New Nazis of Germany seem to be female.
"Charming German politician Katherina Reiche claimed yesterday that proposals granting more rights to families headed by same-sex couples threaten her homeland's future.
Reiche, a member of Chancellor Angela Merkel's ruling Christian Democratic Union:
Merkel's Union must, Reiche added, “clearly state that it backs the idea of family, children and marriage, and that society is not held together by small groups but from a stable centre.”
Certain critics, local paper the Berliner Zeitung said, have revelled in pointing out the hypocrisy in the fact that Reiche herself had two of her three children out of wedlock"
Welcome to the Fourth Reich....
Datalounge never fails to deliver. "What do they export?" oh my sides...
[quote]used to identify Gays for slaughter
Overstate things much?
R18, no one cares about the gays. Get real. We don't have that type of power. Causing hurricanes, yes. Tanking another country's economy, no.
I imagine to be German is to be hyper-aware of the country's history in the last century.
So it is very disturbing to hear its current head of government positing that some citizens are less than others and should be treated differently and less favorably. Especially in the realm of marriages.
There is a reason why the US still keeps a strong military presence in Germany, even though the cold war ended 20 years ago.
Germany is still at a very high risk of going back to National Socialism, it still has not, as can been seen here, moved on yet.
"I imagine to be German is to be hyper-aware of the country's history in the last century."
That is a wrong assumption. And if you try to make a point relating anything today with nazism they will simply ignore the point and you. And rightly so. Reductio ad Hitlerum is a terrible and lazy non-argument.
Ignore the comparison at their own peril. Because the world is more than aware that it still lingers on and Germany is an export economy, which needs the worlds business to survive, far more than the world needs Germany.
Germans are so weird, looks-wise. When they're attractive, they are some of the best-looking people on Earth but when they're not attractive they are hideous-looking. It's either one extreme or the other with them.
R35 darling, who is going to boycott Germany, of all the nations in the world, for gay rights? America does not even sanction fucking Saudi Arabia that beheads homosexuals and you queens expect it to go against Germany for having policies comparable to what America had a couple years ago? Get fucking real you delirious internet crusaders.
The Gay American, Spanish, Swedish, Belgium, French, Canadian and British consumer for one, can more than make a dent in Germanys exports...if they so choose.
BMW doesn't sell many cars to Saudi Arabia and Uganda.
Obviously Germans don't give a crap about their own history R32.
Those who fail to learn their history are doomed to repeat it. Germany is the text book example of that statement.
[italic]]There is a reason why the US still keeps a strong military presence in Germany, even though the cold war ended 20 years ago.
Germany is still at a very high risk of going back to National Socialism, it still has not, as can been seen here, moved on yet.[/italic]
The worlds first Gay Symbol (link), courtesy of Germany, who still today, treats Gays as second class citizens.
Germans should be ashamed.
So much hysteria on this thread.
Germany is a more sound democracy than the US these days. Hello, semi-fascist Republican Party! Hello, Patriot Act (upheld by Obama)! Hello, compliant mainstream media!
We don't have shit like that in Germany. Thank God! Why? Because Germany has learned from her past; the US, meanwhile, never had to go through a period of true fascism, and consequently Americans don't even know they are dealing with fascists NOW.
About Germany, 2012:
The second most powerful politician in the country, vice-chancellor and close colleague of Angele Merkel, Mr. Guido Westerwelle, is openly GAY and MARRIED TO A MAN.
Get back to me when the US has an openly gay Vice President, married to a man, working with a conservative President.
Ha and ha!
About Merkel's opposition to the tax thing: it's a purely Machiavellian move. Germany has a national election coming up, and she is playing to the social conservative gallery.
Merkel has almost zero say over the whole issue, anyway. And she knows that! Our counterpart to the Supreme Court is deciding on this issue next year. Considering public opinion has shifted towards gay rights, it is expected to rule in our (gay) favor. And she knows that as well.
Yes, Machiavellism is unpleasant, but it is what it is. Merkel herself doesn't even believe in her oppostion to full gay rights.
Just recently she encouraged gay football stars to come out of the closet, because it was time and Germany was ready for this (according to her).
How many Nazis will say something like that?
Finally, the posters calling all of Germany fascist because the leader of one party said this or that, are nasty racists themselves.
What about the millions upon millions of Germans who voted for the social democracts, the Green party, and the Left party (all of whom are for full equality)? Are they Nazis too, because you guys don't like Merkel?
And how come the UK Tory party, which stopped gay marriage this year, isn't called fascist?
Selective racism is worse than blind racism.
"Merkel herself doesn't even believe in her oppostion to full gay rights. Just recently she encouraged gay football stars to come out of the closet, because it was time and Germany was ready for this (according to her)."
ROFL. Keep telling yourself that and keep throwing spaghetti against the wall.
Germany has many advantages but it is far behind America in opportunities and protections for LGBT and other minorities. The only advantage may be the federal anti-discrimination law ... but that is routinely ignored, along with other anti-discrimination and anti-racism laws. Berlin has a fabulous gay mayor, true. But Westerwelle is hardly a progressive. It would be roughly similar to an openly gay, moderate Republican senator in a position of power.
How is "Westerwelle ... MARRIED TO A MAN?" Where did they marry? Which state, was in Saxony-Anhalt, Hesse or Bavaria? Do they have equal inheritance and property rights? Can they adopt children? What about pension survivors benefits? And what exactly is Westerwelle doing to advance LGBT issues ... besides just being there?
The previous comparisons to fascism and nazism were inappropriate. But this DL and histrionics are par for the course. YOU get back to me after answering those questions have been answered "yes." Also get back to me after Germany mandates equal protection and opportunities for everyone born in Deutschland ... and society, law enforcement, employers and media follow suit.
1. The USA elected a leader who publicly supports equal marriage - AGAIN! after he publicly supported it, Germany did not or has never.
2. Several states in the USA have equal marriage, not one single state in Germany does.
3. Germany rounded up Gays and murdered them en mass in concentration camps, the US has NEVER DONE THIS.
but....what really exposes the German Dler is his statement:
"Mr. Guido Westerwelle, is openly GAY and MARRIED TO A MAN"
Gay marriage in Germany IST STRENG VERBOTEN!.
So unless Merkels "friend" is from Canada, Belgium, Sweden, Spain, Brazil, Netherlands or resident of several US states or soon to be Mexico, France and the UK.....that is technically impossible.
Germany stopped murdering people because they are gay - WHOOPEE!, Germany still treats Gays as second class citizens, including Merkels "friend" and as per her Saturday December 3rd, 2012 statement, Angela Merkel doesn't think that needs to change.
Wow, make excuses for bigots much????
"It would be roughly similar to an openly gay, moderate Republican senator in a position of power"
Uh, no it wouldn't - not unless he was VICE PRESIDENT of the USA. Westerwelle is not some random little politician.
Plus, Westerwelle (and his party) ARE progressive re gay rights (that includes same-sex marriage: cf. what Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger has to say on this topic).
Do your homework before you start insulting other countries based on your bizarro fantasies about them.
"What about pension survivors benefits?"
Yep, you get those with civil unions in Germany.
"Do they have equal inheritance and property rights?"
"The only advantage may be the federal anti-discrimination law ... but that is routinely ignored"
And you know this... how? You follow the 'routine' of the middle German working world? Embedded in a company in Leipzig or Stuttgart?
You are plain wrong, sweety.
Your final point makes no sense either. Germany is not an immigration country, and never has been. Stop imposing your system and beliefs on other nations.
As for r45:
"Several states in the USA have equal marriage"
But they're worth NIL in the overwhelming rest of the US. If you're married in Iowa, neighbouring Missouri will take a big dump on your Iowa marriage licence.
What a cynical argument to make!
And stupid. How very American indeed.
The federal rights granted to German gays by Germany mop the floor with the poor legal situation in the US.
The truth is, both you and r44 WISH Germany were still fascist, because it would confirm your hatred of the country based on her past.
Your hatred is understandable, but it also makes you look... primitive.
Finally, I love how r44 and r45 conveniently ignore what I said about the fascist state of things in the USA.
r45 stupidly writes this:
"The USA elected a leader who publicly supports equal marriage - AGAIN! after he publicly supported it"
Yeah, but the US electorate still hasn't done ANYTHING about the Patriot Act, or about their compliant and complicit media - which operates not too differently from the way the German press worked under Hitler, enabling a thuggish system that goes to war based on lies and fraud.
NOTHING was done about it!
The fact remains: Germany is a sound democracy, and the US is not.
We don't have a compliant media, you do.
We don't have to pour 2 billion dollars into a ludicrous campaign season, only to choose between Patriot Act or Patriot Act. You do.
The erosion of civil liberties is FASCISM. And the American public does zero about it.
Germans would be up in arms about this, because we have learnt our lesson.
The US public would rather watch American Idol than do anything about.
In other words: those sitting in the glasshouse should... shut the fuck up!
Also per Der Spiegel: ""There are 16 million residents who are either immigrants or their children, representing almost 20 percent of Germany's population of 82 million. Among those living in the country under the age of 25, one-quarter have foreign roots."
Germany historically was not a country of immigrants. Now it is. Your insisting otherwise despite the facts and empirical evidence is EXACTLY the mentality that posters referenced above. Just because you say something is true does not mean that it is true.
"Germany has many advantages but it is far behind America in opportunities and protections for LGBT and other minorities. The only advantage may be the federal anti-discrimination law ... but that is routinely ignored"
r49, you clearly included the LGBT situation in your train of thought here, and your link at Der Spiegel is all about racial issues. It confirms zero about LGBT issues.
I never said there were no racial problems in Germany. Every European country has these issues, and let's not even talk about the US. Hello, American South!
To get back to your histrionic post: you know nothing about LGBTs in the German working world, and most certainly nothing about the 'routine' here. Even if there was a bold article in Der Spiegel on LGBTs you'd still know NOTHING, until you had lived or worked here for years.
I have. I'm German, and I'm gay.
You're grandstanding, and your assumptions are pathetic.
By that I mean assumptions about a country you don't know, and assumptions about your own abilities, judging a country based on the flimsiest of 'evidence'.
Uh, no r50.
It is NOT an immigration country now. Germany has invited many guest workers in the 1950s and 60s, but they were never asked into the country as immmigrants. Again, do your homework.
"A country of immigrants" is very different from an "immigration country" too.
Germany is the former, but not the latter.
I can see why Germany is so far behind the rest of the Western World on Gay equality now. They just don't give a sh*it.
r53 = another racist.
Millions of people voting for the Social Democrats, Green Party and the Left party do give a shit.
I was explaining why Germany isn't fascist, the way you wish it were. But you'd rather keep your dreams, so you can nurse your dislike of a country you don't know.
"so far behind the rest of the Western World on Gay equality"
That describes exactly two nations: Italy and the USA.
The rest of the Western world grants civil unions to their gay citizens - at the very least. Not the US!
7 or 8 states whose marriage laws are worth nil on the federal level mean NOTHING, sweety. They only reinforce the poor state of things in the US on the whole.
It's quite embarrassing you've only got so few states with full equality, really.
And who was sitting on their hands while gay marriage was within reach? The gays in California!
They let the Mormons bulldozer their rights.
You are one to call out Germans for not doign enough!
In typical American fashion, you accuse others of what you yourself are not capable.
When England passes full equality this month and France does this Spring, what is the German apologist going to say then?
R43: You're of your meds and dissembling. I said in R44 ".... along with other anti-discrimination and anti-racism laws" and later referenced that w/ the Der Spiegel link. How did I know about that case? Because my family is Afro-Deutsche and I'm a freelancer for Der Spiegel and another news outlet.
And you're excavating history to reference racism in the American south. Of course there is plenty of racism in the USA--I would know, being Black--but there is also a Black president.
Not sure why you aren't enjoying the nightlife in Kreuzeberg or Gaertnerplatz as opposed to ranting on an Americam messageboard. You must really despise Americans after having to wait tables and deal with tourists every day. But I won't be responding to you again.
PS: Your reference to "guest workers" whose families have lived in Germany for 30 or 40 years is quite typical. "Call me" when a Türkisch-Deutsche is president.
The poor german soul who posted here should take into account that: 1) This is an eldergay messageboard. The crazyest posts here are probably by queens that spent 1944 giving blowjobs in Strasbourg, so few sympathies for the krauts. 2)we also have an insane amount of jews. You just can't get Hitler or the nazis out of their train of thought for a second. And 3) American liberals are desperate and lie to themselves about how progressive is America now with Barry. In the real world it doesn't come close to what Germany, a conservative country for west EU standards, has today; what it has in terms of civil rights or social security. I'm afraid it's useless to argue with them when they are flag-waving like the dumbest repugs.
Ayways, when does the international boycott against Germany, redacted and approved by the Datalounge Delusional Vigilante Policy Board, come into effect? LOL
"Survey: 17% of Germans believe Jews have 'too much influence'"
One in 10 Germans want 'new Fuehrer to lead the country with iron fist'; every third German believes foreign immigrants should be expelled if unemployment becomes problem
The "other" Germany - Sixty-five years have passed since the end of the Second World War, but even today it would seem that many Germans still cling to the prejudice and racism which the Nazi party identified with.
A new poll conducted by the Friedrich Ebert Foundation for Political Education, a foundation with close ties to the German Social Democratic party, has found that one in 10 Germans wants "a new Fuehrer to lead the country with an iron fist", and that every third German thinks all foreign immigrants should be expelled from Germany if unemployment becomes a problem. The poll consisted of 2,500 people of different ages. The results were announced on Wednesday.
Some 25% of all respondents expressed racist opinions, and 15.9% said they somewhat understood why a Fuehrer needed to be appointed; 58% of the participants claimed that Germany needed to curb the traditional Muslim lifestyle. As for anti-Semitism, 17.2% of the survey's participants supported the statement that "Jews have too much influence in the world today".
The foundation warned that there was a rise in anti-democratic and racist opinions in Germany, most likely influenced by the recent global economic crisis. In addition, researchers found that racist viewpoints existed not only on the edges of society, meaning the far right, but in all age groups and social classes, with no relation to sex or education.
Now this thread is about JEWS. Abandon all hope (of a debate that makes any sense).
[quote]by queens that spent 1944 giving blowjobs in Strasbourg
I received them, and it was in Berlin.
If the German population thought Gay citizens were worthy of full equality, they would have passed it already. Merkels bigotry only reflects what the majority of Germans still think about Gays.
Jewish people driving German cars...
Gay people driving Germans cars...??? Especially today.
Germans invented it and they remain today the greatest carmakers. If well-off americans are so tacky/dumb that they would spend money in a lexus over a high-end bmw/mercedes/audi/porsche it's their problem. Even if you buy a new Rolls Royce today you are actually buying a german motor.
A Lexus is 1/2 the price and far more reliable. The interior quality of Lexus materials, exceeds German brands until you get well over $150,000. There is no place to go 200 MPH in the USA.
R65 "Lexus (...)far more reliable". As somebody who has worked in the auto industry for the last 17 years, I can tell that such affirmation has no base whatsoever. Plus the basic Audi A8 (the world's corporate car par exellence) which is about 90k$ already has equal specs and performance than a Lexus twice its price. Meanwhile, in the real world, the lack of places in the USA to put your car over 200mph hasn't deterred buyers, given that german brands account for nearly 50% of the luxury car market in America.
Bigotry is as German as Bratwurst.
Germany has a long history of it and it still thrives today. The problems occur when people think otherwise.
Understand this about Germans and take the necessary precautions. Stop with the nursery school view of the world.
i think the usa should be "adopted" by DEUTSCHLAND, you would be far better off!
R64 you know nothing abput cars! There are German made Mercedes that have come off teh ship here and not started. Germans charge a pretty penny for a car that is not that great when compared to other nations' cars.
I ahve realtions in Germany and US and I can only say that immigrants have it very well in the US too well I might add. Germans liek the French, British ,Italians etc so on don't want to become Turkey or Saudi Arabia or Northern Mexico like the US Southwest has. They want to remain German.
For the poster who called out Mormons in California you made one big mistake. It was the Roman Catholic Church who collaborated with them in California. Are you scared to take on Mexican Americans in California who voted against gay marriage BECAUSE that's what they did and the majority of them are Catholic.
The US on a state level is far more pro gay than Germany is and to be frank that is quite important. The fact that Iowa(a conservative state) has gay marriage begs the question as to why Bavaria doesn't have gay marriage?
[quote]If the German population thought Gay citizens were worthy of full equality, they would have passed it already.
Honey, here in the US we have yet to overturn DOMA, a federal law expressly outlawing gay equality, let alone pass a law extending full equality to gays at a nationwide level.
As an argument that Germany lags behind the US on gay rights, your statement above is pretty damned weak.
PS, "gay" and "black" are not capitalized unless used as the first word in sentence. Capitalizing them may make you feel important, but it makes you look stupid.
R70 lay off of the AZT OK? Who cares if someone highlights gay or black? Get a grip.
DOMA has no effect on the states excepting gay marriage. Now what state in Germany has gay marriage?
Germany is in someways more tarditional thanthe US is. A man is still expected to make more than a woman does, to raise a family. If this fact were mentioned here you would be called a sexist. The Us is also more gynocratic in its rule. You'd think that there were only staright hausfaus living in the US from what's on TV and the political winds of the country.
[quote]Who cares if someone highlights gay or black?
Unnecessary capitalization makes the writer look foolish and his arguments seem less credible, so perhaps he should care. That AZT comment was a true touch of class coming from someone who is dumping on other countries for supposedly not being pro-gay enough, BTW.
[quote]DOMA has no effect on the states excepting gay marriage.
I believe you mean "accepting" not "excepting," which means the opposite of "including" or "allowing." And yes, DOMA does have an effect on states that permit gay marriage--it renders the gay marriages performed in those states legally meaningless in any state that chooses not to recognize marriage equality. It limits married gay Americans' freedom to live where they please without the fear of losing their marriage rights.
[quote] Now what state in Germany has gay marriage?
Despite Merkel's opinions, Germeny is likely to get federal gay marriage before we get it here, which will immediately vault Germany well ahead of us on this issue.
Now what state in Germany has gay marriage?
[quote]Germany is in someways more tarditional thanthe US is.
Haha, if there's anything TARDitional in this thread, it's you, hon.
[quote]A man is still expected to make more than a woman does, to raise a family. If this fact were mentioned here you would be called a sexist.
Oh, please. You are truly out to lunch if you don't think anyone in the US still thinks this way. Ever heard of the Tea Party for starters?
[quote] The Us is also more gynocratic in its rule.
Than a country that has a woman as its chancellor?
[quote]You'd think that there were only staright hausfaus living in the US from what's on TV and the political winds of the country.
What horseshit. What's on TV has nothing to do with who rules the country. The "political winds" may indeed have blown us to a place in which politicians are starting to notice that you can't just piss off and offend huge numbers of women, minorities, and pretty much everyone but straight white men and still expect to be elected, but that hardly adds to women having all the power.
R69 you are deeply stupid and prejudiced. I have worked all my life in the auto industry and you tell me that I have no idea of what I'm talking about (because ¿?) and also pretend that german cars are shit. I hope you don't work in quality control anywhere!
Pope Ratzi the Nazi is German. He has declared war on gays worldwide.
Considering that Merkel was on the 1972 East German Olympic weightlifting team im surprised she doesn't have more sympathy for gay people.
Also, Westervelle is Foriegn minister not because Merkel likes gay people but because he helped her become PM again and demanded that position.
The German government is conservative. Why would anyone expect them to support gay rights?
[quote]Germany has a long history of it and it still thrives today. The problems occur when people think otherwise.
Not as much as the United States.
The Pope basically controls German politics today.
[quote]Unnecessary capitalization makes the writer look foolish and his arguments seem less credible, so perhaps he should care.
It does nothing of the sort. Your post, however, "makes" you seem incredibly judgmental with faux superiority. Get over yourself. This is an anonymous message board and not a professional journal.
R80, it might interest you to know that in German, unlike any other language, ALL nouns are capitalized.
[quote]What do they export?
Really?! Chemicals, pharmaceuticals, precision equipment, automobiles...
Cars is where to hurt the Germans.
If Gays stop buying German cars, the economic impact would cause Germans to elected a pro-gay Government. Germans don't think of their voting for bigotry as costing jobs, if they did, they wouldn't vote for bigots like Angela Merkels CDU anymore.
Hit them where it hurts, in the pocket book!
"Germany is in someways more traditional than the US is. A man is still expected to make more than a woman does, to raise a family"
This is absolutely true. Some years back I met a thirtysomething German man on vacation. He was overseas on business and was complaining (in confidence) that back home, men were "expected" to marry and that was a social norm there. He had a long-term girlfriend that he appeared to be not that eager to get back to.
Unfortunately, we owe a lot of modern advances to the Nazis.
Even though the current Pope was part of the Nazi youth, not by choice, he is continuing the policies of the Nazi party.
Europeans, not just Germans, are obsessed with lineage. Handing down that little piece of their lives to the next generation trumps everything else.
You do know Angela is the daughter of Hitler, right? So this should come as no surprise.
Rise of the Fourth Reich. It's coming, folks.
I would never have guessed that Germany lied among the large list of stuff that the DL hates to death for no apparent reason. Oh well.
Germans are just not very nice people. Deal!
[quote]This is absolutely true.
Of course it is, r84. What more definitive and unassailable proof could anyone ask for then "I once met this one German guy who kinda said so."
[quote][R80], it might interest you to know that in German, unlike any other language, ALL nouns are capitalized
Duh. Since the gay capitalizing "gays" was not writing in German, though, it's kind of hard to see how that's relevant.
R88 = Martin Bormann
[quote]Germans are just not very nice people. Deal!
Finish that GED, bonehead.
"Germany is in someways more tarditional thanthe US is. A man is still expected to make more than a woman does, to raise a family" (brought to you by r71)
Yet Germany has a FEMALE leader, for seven years and counting, while the US self-combusts into misogynistic hysteria when a woman runs for president. And still hasn't had a female president.
r71 = another moron who knows nothing about the subject he's talking about.
When has a woman ever run for office here r94?
Hillary Clinton hardly counts.
Hillary Clinton does count, and the misogynistic reaction to her run has demonstrated how far behind the US is, compared to Germany, Britain, and even Pakistan, all of whom had female leaders.
Fuck of PUMA dyke at r97.
Germany has a female leader who hates gays and vetoes any bill which even tries to reduce their second class citizen status.
I guess the women of Germany are Nazis too.
Hillary supports gay equality, it is her Husband who threw the gay community to the dogs in the 90s and is now trying to reverse that.
[quote]Stop with the nursery school view of the world.
In case you haven't noticed it, that's life on datalounge.
No one going to challenge r87?
Merkel is not the daughter of Hitler, but she sure doesn't like gays, so maybe they are psychic soul mates.
Germans by nature have need need to control everthing. Merkel is the most hated bitch in Europe!
R104, right that's why the US decided to attack Irak and Germany decided against it. Killing 10 of 1000 of innocent people to secure the oil for their economy. A war that was never justified and was based on false evidence. Some people on this board are masters in pigeon-hole thinking. A lot of Europeans think of Americans as self-righteous imperialists. A country born with the help of deporting black Africans as slaves. Most of their descendants still living as second class citizens. America should look at capital punishment (which not European country deems as a just measure against murder any more) statistics and see how many black people land is jail compared to white people. Stop talking what happened 80 years ago, start talking about what is happening NOW!
What is happening right now R105, is the US head of state believes gays deserve full equal marriage, state so internationally and several states in the USA legally grant full equal marriage.
The head of state in Germany does NOT think gays deserve full equal marriage, state so internationally, further more Merkel just vetoed gays getting simple taxation breaks and not one single state in Germany has full gay equality.
So no need to go back and remind people that years ago that Germany rounded up gays and murder them in concentration camps, Germany is still scary enough for gays today.
But if you want to get really scary, compare German LGBT laws to Spain, Netherlands, Canada, Brazil etc.
Almost half of the US citizens voted for Romney in the last election. A conservative Mormon, who is against gay marriage, equal pay, abortion and God knows what else conservative believes this guy still has. The BBC did a study shortly before the US election. Mitt would not have a chance at all to be the leader of any European country. Americans are way more conservative on most social issues. At least in Germany gays and lesbians have a chance to get registered in a legal partnership and by law are "married". In the US only 10 of the 50 states grand same sex couples this right.
Merkel voted AGAIN against basic tax exemption for gay couples. She is a really anti-gay bitch.
Will someone please send W over to give her a neck rub so she'll freak out?
I blame the Muzzies because I'm an idiot no smarter than a shoe.
Canada's anti-gay PM, Stephen Harper is the one giving Merkel back rubs today. Obama doesn't associate with her kind.
LOL! No 110. it makes you smarter then most people on this site who think the Muzzies are wonderful!
Do gay rights movement in Germany and western Europe rally and march? They seem so passive and lethargic.
The last time Gays in Germany spoke up, they were all shipped off to Treblinka. So I'm guessing they are a bit more cautious these days.
Angela Merkel did grow up in East Germany, maybe she's still influenced by the anti-gay teachings of the Communist! Gays were thrown into labour camps back then.
Everyone was thrown into labour camps back in Russia during Stalins era, they didn't care if you were gay or straight, only if you supported Stalin.
Merkels continued vote against Gay Germans is making her the anti-gay face of Western Europe, now and in the annals of 21sr century History.
The Nazi Pope Ratzinger runs Germany.
Harper isn't giving anyone back rubs. He shakes hands with his children
Wow, so a few months ago Barack Obama - previously celebrated for his "I believe that marriage is betwen a man and a woman, God is in the mix" quip - said he doesn't have a problem with gay marriage and suddenly the US is the best gay country in the world!
Merkel isn't continually voting against gay Germans and this isn't her personal decision. Tax is a more complicated issue in Germany than you want to let your little minds understand. When the US federal government and all 50 states recognise that gay couples in the US can file their taxes as a couple and not as individuals then get back to us. The situation in Germany is not that different from the one in the US.
They worship money, that's the main thing.
[quote]t that's why the US decided to attack Irak
R120 The US never murdered Gays in concentrations camps. Germany has more to answer for.
What are the progressive activists doing in Germany? Where are the street marches, rallies, and protests?
The German LGBT movement is too tame. They should be dragging Merkels questionable past out into the public eye. Take out the anti-gay politicians anyway possible.
Irrelevant point, r123. What you are saying is that in 1949 the new states of West and East Germany should have made same-sex marriage equal. At least if they didn't get round to it then, they should at least have introduced same-sex marriage in the 1950s.
Protests and marches for what, r124, for same-sex couples to file the same tax returns? Is anyone doing that in the US?
R118, Merkal's a Lutheran protestant so why should she give a shit about what the Pope says?
What's Merkel's questionable past, r125?
Perhaps the progressives and the LGBT movement in Germany aren't doing what you want them to because you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
I had intense lesbian drama in my life but i kept it well inside. No one knew.
I want a powerful Germany now. That would make my clit recover from the pain i kept inside so many years.
R 123 the USA killed black slaves when they were not fit for work any more. Don't pretend the US has a squeaky clean image when it comes to race and minorities. AND when a couple of years ago the NAACP tried to look into the chance for compensation for the atrocities the country committed against African Americans, they quickly found out there is no way this would ever happen. At least Germany pays for and acknowledges its crimes. A lot of Americans are so ignorant it's not even funny.
R = nail on head.
people on this board are truly clueless.
I didn't know the USA killed 6 million slaves in 6 years R129.
Germany doesn't pay for all its crimes and it is still continuing them again the Gay community.
Only in your dreams, r131.
R131 The US today is still killing black people in death chambers in disproportionate numbers.
Those being killed for committing violent crimes are not exactly the same class as entire law abiding families being dragged away from their kitchen tables and murdered hours later.
It is insulting and anti-Semitic to even make that connection.
r126, how about marches and organized action for marriage equality in general?
R134 Just that those you say are being prosecuted for committing violent crimes are disproportionately black people and more likely to die in death chambers than white people for the same crimes. Your comment is actually proof of raging racism against black people in the US, because you say Jewish people are better or are a better class (your words) than Black people. And I don't even want to talk about the death penalty being barbaric and no proof for reducing capital crime anyway.
The Germans have had a serious internal debate over the nation's crimes towards minority populations during the interwar years and while WWII was going on. What are your thoughts on that debate? You seem to act as if Germany's crimes are justified because other nations have also committed atrocities. It is very well accepted, even inside Germany, that what Germany did was a step behind the ordinary atrocities.
You're flailing to defend your country to us on this board but unless you're saying that the years long debate raging within Germany itself is unjustified, then your arguments really just sound like defensiveness.
It's quite pathetic really.
Germany will never be allowed to become militarily strong again and that's for good reason.
R137 You call slavery a minor atrocity? - WOW
Yeah right give the US all the weapons in the world to bomb countries for no apparent reason than to justify their hunger for cheap oil. I will never defend Germany for the unspeakable crime they committed, I just find it pretty arrogant when people of certain countries are not acknowledging and paying for their atrocities.
Germanys mass murder in the Holocaust was only trumped by what Stalin did in the Urkraine, which history has given Stalin a pass on.
R139 What Germany did was invade other countries hunt down undesirables(Jews,Gypsies,dissenters,gays)and let the "normal" people live. as a matter of fact the Germans imported labor from their occupied territories to work in the Fatherland during the war. Stalin was a murderous scumbag too BUt the last time I checked he didn't start the war by bombing London,Belfast, invading Czechoslovakia,France etc so on. It was that cunt Hitler that did that.12 million people died in the Holocaust and that is a black mark upon the German nation.The most civilized, cars that were engineered like no one else and music and philosophy like no other nation result in abject barbarity.The current generation bares no responsibility for what happened but must be aware.
As for America, they have blood on their hands as well. One hundred years after slavery black people were still treated like shit in the South! It took the Civil Rights Act to change the situation. Not to mention the Native Americans. God they lost their lands, their dignity and all these interlopers from Europe took their land.Their consolation prize, they own casinos now!
Slavery had been around for centuries in human history. America is not the first or worst slave abuser. That would likely be the Dutch, who basically trained America on the "expertise" of African slavery, but Brazil still holds the world record for having the the largest number of African slaves.
Americans tend to be very "American focused" in their understanding of world history.
The USA also carpet bombed about 2 million people to death, from Laos and Cambodia in the 1960/70s. So slavery is not Americas greatest crime, by far.
It was British explorer Cooke who gave the the small pox infested blankets to the Native Americans, leading to virtual elimination of many tribes in what was histories first mass use of bio-warfare.
Again... American posters on DL need to learn their world history before they make such "American focused" statements.
Angela Merkel is the continuation of Germanys long history of persecuting minorities.
The CDU again this morning, took down basic tax equality for gays. Registered civil partnerships in Germany don't exist in law, they only exist on a worthless piece of paper, which has no legal protections.
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