Criminal Minds

This show is really fucking sick.

• True, Nancy Drew. What sort of profile would you presume for the creators.

• It started good -- I remember an early season episode where they confronted the poor profiling done for the DC sniper and worked to improve the model when a new "Long range gunman" appeared on the scene. Now the show is just an excuse to show mangled corpses.

• You are all so right. I've tried watching it - good actors (except for that piece of shit Thomas Gibson) - over the years, but have only made it through 2 episodes. WAY too sick, violent; a great example of gratuitious violence if there ever was one. Greatly admire Mandy Patinkin for leaving and speaking out about it (the violence, especially to women.) Yet the damn thing runs.

• It is OP, but I've been consistently amazed at how the level of explicit violence has risen sharply on all of the crime shows. Last nite I saw a bit of an L&O SVU episode with Patricia Arquette as a hooker and there was a scene where she was held in a car by w man with a gun, and a cop shot him in the head from behind. You saw the blood splatter out of his forehead and onto her face. There was a time you would only see that in an R-rated movie or on premium cable. CBS is the one that began the trend to rachet up the dark, violence quotient when it debuted shows like CSI.

• Last night's American Horror Story had a split-second image of someone's face eaten off. I nearly fainted.

• When it comes on ION on reruns, I can keep it on as background noise, but that's it. Other than Shemar Moore, there is little to maintain my interest. Mainly because the plots are all pretty much the same - serial killers and why they kill and how they manage to catch 99% of them right before the end credits roll.

• I agree. I used to watch it a lot but it ramped up the violence and it became sicker - it's now torture porn. At first it was hard to watch because it was too suspenseful but now it's just completely distasteful and deliberately caters to fetishists. It's too bad because it is otherwise a very good show.

• I guess they ran out of the true cases that early seasons were vaguely based on. Now, it's just a big tired cliche: someone abducts cute coeds, tortures them, turns them into marionettes, Birkin bags, whatever...

• The most disturbing one was where the serial killer would rape and impregnate his victims, then kill them after their babies were born.

• The most disturbing one was where the serial killer would rape and impregnate his victims, then kill them after their babies were born.

• Well at least those rape victims realized that their babies were gifts from God and didn't get an abortion.

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• If you're going to play Todd Akin, get it right. He said "legitimate" rape victims spontaneously abort, their bodies automatically reject the fertilized egg. So rape "victims" don't need abortions, only whores who are lying that they were raped, would need an abortion.

• Thomas Gibson is the best actor on Criminal Minds, past or present. I hope R3 has met Gibson and is holding a personal grudge; if not then he/she needs help. I agree with a lot of posters that the show has always been a little sick and has become much more so in recent seasons. What keeps the show on the air is that it has a lot of good and likeable actors.

• I liked the nerdy guy with the idetic memory (a drama Sheldon). They hooked him up with an actress during the first season, but I think he went asexual after that. The actor who plays him directed the episode that made me turn off the show -- with Bud Cort playing a guy who kidnaps kids and them cremates them when they get out of hand.

• I loved the Sean Young lookalike. She looked like a male impersonator version of her!

• It is truly horrifying, kind of like those Saw movies, and have to change channels sometimes.

• Thank you for understanding, OP.

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• Nothing we didn't do

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• Never watched a full episode of CM and never will. The advance commercials for the pilot episode were so sick, horrific, and graphic that they gave me nightmares and I swore I'd never ever watch it.

• All these modern procedural shows are fun to watch for the phony technobabble.

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• They always have that last victim that they always save, but have at least three murders or murder incidents shown before hand. I was actually thrown in a recent episode, where I thought the last victim was going to be an unsympathetic hooker, but it turns out she got killed and they had just enough time to squeak in that last, "deserving" to be saved victim. God forbid there should be any moral ambiguity. Also, they always have some bullshit multi-arc suspense crap that always involves the "personal" life of one of more agents. These bits always lead to the season cliffhanger and generally resolved in a slapdash by the first couple of episodes. And yet, I still watch this crap.

• I love that big ol' dyke Kirsten Vangsness.

• I hated the one where the killer got hold of the lead guy's case summary book and killed all the people he had saved.

• I notice Matthew Gay Gobbler has gone back to his long-haired unkempt look.

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• In the last couple of years Gruber has been directed some of the more bizarre episodes.

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• Of course that should read "has directed."

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• Matthew was BION, a fashion model.

• Thomas GIbson isn't remotely the best actor on that show. He's stiff and robotic. He was no prize on Dharma and Greg either. Someone at CBS must like him or he has a good agent. Joe Mantegna is a much better actor; so is Shemar; that Kristin Vangeness - "Garcia" - is good, too. Gibson has a certain intensity but no range. IMHO.

• I used to watch for Paget Brewster.

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• r28 proves there's a troll for everyone, even minor tv actors.

• Gore sells, even in the guise of cop shows. There was an over the top episode where some guy slits a pleading girl's throat and then blows her boyfriend's head off. This would have been "hard R" stuff as recently as fifteen years ago.

• Did anyone see last weeks episode where Brad(Chucky)Dourif stretched and dislocated peoples joints with medevil torture devices so he could turn them into human marionettes?The scene where they show him slowly twisting that girls arms around till her shoulder joints pulled apart was just disturbing.

• Although I can understand the general aversion to watching the show as a form of entertainment...as someone in law enforcement, believe me when I say that some of the storylines on the show pale in comparison to real incidents. There are some seriously messed up people out there.

• R33, do people in your profession ever worry that too much is revelaed in crime dramas and real crime show, thus making it easier for pperpetrators? Or is the news media a bigger problem?

• The show is beyond stupid. All the cases are solved by unrealistic searches on nonexistent databases. Can’t they at least show the woman touching her mouse once, just once, for Christ sake, to at least try and make is believable? What database on earth has all the details you need and you can eliminate and add things by rapidly clicking your fingers on the keyboard? What’s the point of the scene where they recite text in front of police officers if they do nothing at all with it? so there are so many unsolved crimes because cops just don’t bother checking that magical databases that have all the answers?

• [quote] I used to watch for Paget Brewster. Me too. I miss her. Jeanne Tripplehorn - feh

• It sounds like American Horror Story has nothing on these shows.

• r 34, yes. There are lots of things that used to be relatively unknown to most people. Unfortunately, CSI opened the gates with showing some of the scientific and investigative techniques. Having said that, I think CSI is hammy and I always used to joke that the original lead of the original CSI was our generation's Captian James T. Kirk, given his acting skills and dialogue. But, bad guys are still getting caught, even when they're involved in very elaborate schemes. That's a testament to good investigative skills. Media is generally fairly good about keeping key things out of the papers at the request of police. They don't want to be responsible for interfering in an investigation. However, that doesn't mean that law enforcement isn't careful with what they do tell them at any time.

• I never watched this show until I was at someone else's house, R29, and right away she was the one I noticed. She seems a bit lesbianish, is she?

• She looks like Pee Wee Herman.