Someone took time to snap that picture and didn't try to pull that guy up. I assumed he got paid for it, too. What a goddamn, fucking asshole. He should go to prison along with the murderer.
The photographer (a freelancer who works for the Post) said that he hoped the flash from his camera would prompt the driver to stop the train.
Please remember what city we are talking about.
I think he's lying R3
At that point the man was beyond help. Anyone who attempted to rescue him would get their arms torn off.
He hoped a flash from a camera (what kind of camera does he use with a flash?) would save the day. How about using an arm to pull the guy to safety. This freelance photographer is full of shit. I agree. Arrest the soulless bastard.
You looked at it didn't you?
I agree. It was already too late to save the man - the train was feet away when the photo was shot.
LOOKING at it is a crime, R9? You've got quite an imagination, don't you.
Suicide by train is common in Asia. A video very similiar to this incident was posted three weeks ago on the internet. An Indian man in India jumped on the tracks then waited at the ledge so the train would cut him in half. A link to the video is below.
Who knows how this unfolded? The picture shows the train as being far too close to save the poor man in time. But did the photographer just happen to have his flash camera at the ready? It would seem he had to pause to get the camera and lighting ready to take the money shot. It'll be interesting to see what the other witnesses say. Oh, to warn the conductor with his flash? More like to [italic]blind[/italic] him.
Of course, it goes without saying that a Murdoch publication would put this on the front page of a tabloid. Does anyone remember when an NYU student leaped off the top balcony in the library foyer (I think it was)? Somebody took continuous action photos of the leap and fall. (sorry, don't know the photography term) The web version of the Post strung them together so viewers could see the person coming off the balcony in a little gif. I recall there was some outrage then, but not enough, apparently.
Keep it classy, New Yahhhkkuhz!
Rupert Murdoch and his ugly family do offer credence to the "reptilian 'elite'' theory. Their business is based on exploiting the parents of murdered children via hacked cell phones, photos of emotionally lost people seconds before death, the citations could go on and on. He literally generates wealth from the suffering of others, then degrades the species by encouraging - some would say forcing - us to look at it.
Rupert Murdoch - death pool 2013!
Just saw the photog on Inside Edition -- maybe in his country, camera flashes will help rescue people who have been pushed on the tracks.
Do not watch R12's link.
I don't think a crime was committed legally, not pulling this man up. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm sure The Post could be sued for millions.
Anything for a headline.
Any decent person would have dropped their camera to rescue the person.
Maybe someone will do Murdoch the honor of filming and posting his long overdue and hopefully ghastly death when it occurs. Wouldn't that be "fair & balanced"?
Dr. Laura Kaplan, a second-year resident at Beth Israel Medical Center who was also on the platform, sprang into action, taking off her coat, grabbing her stethoscope and rushing over to try an administer CPR with the help of a nearby security guard.
“It was terrifying, but you run on adrenaline,” Kaplan told The Post. “There was no pulse, never, no reflexes.”
“I heard what I thought were heart sounds,” she added. “We started compressions, which is half of CPR. We were unable to perform rescue breathing [the other half of CPR] because there was blood coming out of his mouth. He wasn’t in the right position [for full CPR] and there was just no way to get him out of there.
“It was apparent there was not much I could do -- but you can’t not do something, you have to try.”
Why is nobody even near the platform, trying to help or even failing to help?
How long before he fell did the train come, anybody know?
[quote]Why is nobody even near the platform, trying to help or even failing to help?
They were probably too afraid of the guy who pushed the victim.
How awful for this man's family to have to see the pic of his final moments. It would be hard to avoid it completely.
I'm not clicking on it.
A read an article on this incident in the NY Times, and in the comments section, someone said she was on the train that hit the guy, and when she got out she saw people taking photos with their cell phones of the guy who was killed on the tracks.
That sounds too morbid.
Isn't the platform like a shelf? I'm not a New Yorker so I don't know. I've seen in movies where the NYC subway was in it that it was like a shelf where there is a space beneath the platform.
Do you think it's possible someone was mistaken and that this guy got on the tracks himself or that he was purposefully pushed onto the tracks in a scheme so his family could sue the subway authority and collect a financial settlement? We might find out in the coming days that he had financial problems.
[quote]At that point the man was beyond help. Anyone who attempted to rescue him would get their arms torn off.
That still doesn't make it okay for the NYPost to use that sick photo on their cover.
Take the "A" Train.
Don't Sleep in the Subway.
Can't believe I'll be the most cynical bitch on this thread, but what if the photog pushed him?
Dear God, R12, that is seriously disturbing.
Of course r31. With a name like Abbasi, he must be a Muslim and therefore a fuckin' terrist.
What the hell is wrong with r28?
I hate this generation
Murdoch is evil, but in fairness that kind of journalism has been a staple in NYC long before he got to North America.
And as r26 says, it's more than just one evil media mogul encouraging this: it's a societal norm in those under thirty. They live through their devices. The net depersonalizes everything.
Don't most subways, including NYC's I would assume, have something known as a "suicide pit" which is the gap between the rails. If you find yourself on the tracks and a train coming, there should be enough space to lie face down in this gap and let the train the pass. You may get a mouthful of dirty subway water but it's better than getting hit.
The subway was built in 1903 and they weren't on that wavelength R37.
R37, R38 - Actually, the guy who saved the student who fell on the tracks after an epileptic seizure managed to find that gap. He covered the student as the train was train moved overhead.
[quote]On January 2, 2007, Autrey was waiting for a train at the 137th Street – City College subway station in Manhattan with his two young daughters. At around 12:45 p.m., he and two women noticed a young man, Cameron Hollopeter, having a seizure. Autrey borrowed a pen and used it to keep Hollopeter's jaw open. Following the seizure, Hollopeter stumbled from the platform, falling onto the tracks.
[quote]As Hollopeter lay on the tracks, Autrey saw the lights of an oncoming train. As one of the women held Autrey's daughters back away from the edge of the platform, Autrey dove onto the tracks. He thought he would be able to take Hollopeter off the tracks, but he realized there was not enough time to drag Hollopeter away. Instead, he protected Hollopeter by throwing himself over Hollopeter's body in a drainage trench between the tracks, where he held him down. Though the operator of the train applied the brakes, all but two cars still passed over them, close enough to leave grease on his cap.
Except, R28, I heard on CBS Morning News that the guy ("N" word - of course, I mean, Negro) who allegedly pushed the vicitm has confessed...
I hope the Negro Wesley Autrey's heroism cancels out the crazy guy's crazy for R40. To restore his faith in at least part of the human race.
Autrey really was/is a true hero. I can't imagine having the presence of mind to do what he did in that situation.
On top of everything else, the follow up stories in the fucking POST are shit. For example, one of the stories gives an account of the doctor trying to help the victim with CPR after the accident, but they don't explain how the victim's body got up onto the platform. Did people on the platform pull his body up after he was struck? You'll never find the answer to that by reading that piece of shit rag called the NEW YORK POST.
"Any decent person would have dropped their camera to rescue the person."
And gotten killed too.
Look, the guy with the camera was too far away to pull the guy up. I think all the people around were too stunned to react or else knew they'd be risking their own lives if they attempted a rescue.
The only one at fault is the monster who pushed the man in front of the train. He should go to jail for life for that.
Just last week I saw a guy (drunk, I think) fall to the tracks in my subway station. Seeing that everybody else was just screaming "oh my god" and fluttering around on the platform, I headed toward the guy to help him. Then a train began to pull in. Miraculously, it was able to stop before it hit the guy! But as soon I saw it, I abandoned all thoughts of helping. I had never really considered this situation before, but I realized when I saw the train coming that if I leaned over the platform to help this random drunk dude, I could easily be struck or pulled down onto the tracks myself.
It was very weird to stand there thinking, "this guy is about to be killed right in front of me, and I'm not doing a damned thing to stop it," but I now understand why people don't rush to help in this situation.
BTW, dickhead at r40, ONE person of the many who were on the platform that day did step forward and pull the drunk dude off the tracks, and he (the helper) was a skinny young BLACK guy. On the other hand, of the several subway pushers who have killed someone during my 18 years in NYC, this is the only black one I can think of.
The NY Post runs at a loss. It has been in the red for years.
The only reason Murdoch keeps it running is because he can afford to and it still gives him yet another conduit through which he can air his vile views.
There was also a story a few months back about a black guy who helped some mother whose stroller rolled onto the tracks. He jumped down onto the tracks to grab it.
It's more likely a black guy will help you down there, rather than the white, Wall Street asshole.
Maybe Murdoch writes off his NY Post losses as a political contribution.
Murdoch's bitch of a mother finally croaked at 103. One only hopes he joins her and I look forward to watching the family fights.
Tigerwife ain't giving up shit.
Autrey's situation was a happy confluence of events that helped to save the young man's life. IIRC, this wasn't a usual time or subway for him to be at (I think he was with his daughters because they had a day off school). He happened to know what to do if someone is having a grand mal seizure. And, most curious of all, he worked in construction and he was accustomed to working in small spaces, hence he was able to accurately tell that he and the seizure victim would fit in that gap. It was more than just presence of mind to do something (although he had plenty of that, too.)
When was this, R49? Can you imagine the large multi-family, multi-competing interest reunion at the funeral? No one can really avoid the matriarch's funeral, can they? I know she hated Wendi (or didn't approve of her, in the very least), but it would look kind of bad if she didn't show up.
Murdoch Family Reunion [italic]should[/italic] be a reality show. Only condition is that lawyers cannot be involved. Family members go mano a mano with each other, no intermediaries, no consultants.
What a bunch of Marys! THe photographer and doctor both were just following instinct. It's what they do.
Last week the Post had a picture of Syrians dragging a headless body through the streets. I didn't hear anyone complaining about that.
[quote] Do you think it's possible someone was mistaken and that this guy got on the tracks himself or that he was purposefully pushed onto the tracks in a scheme so his family could sue the subway authority and collect a financial settlement?
Turn off Diagnosis Murder, grandmother.
A guy that was on the train took a picture of the victim right after and posted it on reddit. It is gruesome.
Reminds of one of the great episodes of television ever. Homicide's Subway episode which tells a similar story of a subway pushing. Vincent D'onofrio plays the victim.
Thanks, R53. Will have to keep my eye on the Australian press. I don't think there will be much coverage here until some Vanity Fair writer does one of their usual extensive pieces about the Murdoch "empire" months from now.
I never stand on the edge of the platform for precisely this reason. I don't know if anyone else remembers this, but back in the late 90s ('98, I think?) there was a young woman who was waiting for the uptown 6 @ 28th and a deranged man who had literally just minutes before been released from Bellevue pushed this woman on the tracks as a train was speeding into the station, killing her. It was a big story in the local NY media at the time, and I've never forgotten about that poor woman. After that story, I've never stood at the edge of the platform again, ever.
Why would anyone stand anywhere near the platform in the first place?
Smalltown flyover here, but given how many times shit happens and how vulnerable you are, why risk it?
143 people are hit by subways every year, 48 of them are fatal. So in NYC you have about one person a week getting killed by a subway. So surprisingly, it is not all that uncommon.
I saw a woman fall onto the tracks while having a seizure. It took four men to jump down and lift her up. I was scared and a train wasn't even coming.
Your last instinct is to rush and help someone if they fall on the tracks when a train is coming. In that instant it is survival of the fittest. I honestly think I would cover my face, turn in the other direction and walk out of the station.
That is why when someone does save someone who has fallen it is truly heroic.
I never stand near the platform. It amazes me at how many people wait right next to the ledge...leaning over to look for the train. Dolts!
People constantly move to the platform to see if the train's headlights are approaching the station. If it's a moderately busy time of the day, you'll see many people doing it out of impatience. There's the idea that it's safe if everybody does it. Really, when you think of it in terms of people serviced by the subway and miles traveled and fatalities due to people being pushed, this sort of this is extremely rare, so there's not much risk. Except in those infinitesimally low probability events.
Apparently the pushed man was quite drunk and confronted the pusher on the platform. Big mistake...
Not only do I not stand close to the platform, I always stand behind a column so that I can gab onto it if I sense someone is coming towards me. Subway columns have open corners. This is a really stupid picture, but it shows what one of the columns looks like.
R60, it is uncommon when you consider millions ride it every day.
R64 watches too many Brian De Palma movies.
I'm just so grateful I saw the photograph on Huffington where it was gracious and classy instead of on the front page of that awful newspaper.
I'm with R64, seems like the smart thing to do.
I'll never forget when that crazy woman jumped onto the track at 68th St to retrieve her gym bag. My son went to jr high with a lot of the kids who were in the station waiting for the train when it happened. Those poor kids were traumatized. She was killed the same way, trying to get back on the platform and it was gruesome.
I wonder why that woman in the linked photo is so in love with the subway column?
Oops, it was the 77th St station.
I hardly ever use the subway, but when I do I stand by the platform wall.
The subway is one of the reasons I could never live in Brooklyn. I couldn't take spending hours in that shithole every day.
R58, I thought the young woman lived, but lost her hands, which was a shame 'cause she was a professional violinist.
No r75 she died. The train mangled her body. I remember the story vividly. You must be thinking of someone else.
R30: I Fall to Pieces
The Trolley Song
Any song by the band Train
R75 recalls another story -- I think the poor gal was a flautist.
So she played the flute?
She made flautas at a taco stand.
There was a 17 year old girl pushed off a train platform in 1979 who played the flute and lost her hand. The surgeons at Bellevue reattached the hand. She later became an occupational therapist.
Then there was Brigitte Gerney whose legs were severed when a construction crane fell on her. They reattached her legs and she got $10M (it was the 80s. $10m wasn't bad). She later became engaged to one of her doctors, but he was shot and killed by a guy with a grudge against Workmen's Comp.
[quote]I thought the young woman lived, but lost her hands, which was a shame 'cause she was a professional violinist.
You're thinking of Rachel Barton who was/is a violinist involved with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra. She was leaving a Metra commuter train in a northern suburb when the train door closed automatically on the violin case she had slung over her shoulder. The grip was so tight she couldn't let go. The doors didn't have sensors and open automatically, so she was dragged god knows how long and was severely injured, losing a leg.
Several years ago I saw a horrifying interview with a New York EMS worker. He said that when a person is hit while hanging on the edge of the platform, they are twisted and the spine severed. They can stay alive for up to 90 minutes as long as they are pinned between the platform and the car, but as soon as they back the train away, they die. They leave the victim in place and ask "who do you want to say goodbye to?", and call in family before they back the train off.
Well, this recent guy and the woman who was killed in the 77th street station didn't live past their heads being crushed between the train and the platform. That is a fact.
R58 is referring to Kendra Webdale. Her death prompted the creation of Kendra's Law.
The picture should not have been taken. The photographer may not have been close enough to help, but anyone with any morals would not have snapped that picture.
Is the photographer going to keep the money he/she got from the paper? Or are they going to do the honorable thing and give it to the nearest relatives of the victim?
I find the electric rail more frightening that the thought of being hit by the actual train.
New York City is the embodiment of the soulless demon Moloch.
It requires a human sacrifice every now and then; once a week is the minimum.
This is why I always stand way back from the tracks while waiting on the platform and not even dream of engaging strangers in any way in the subway. All I need is some psycho, angry, homeless nut who refuses to take his psychotropic medication to mistake me for the dreaded Lucifer and push me in front of an oncoming train just for yucks. No thanks. That's what I am sure all the other people who witnessed this tragedy were thinking.
There was a Homicide with Vincent d'onofrio as a dying man caught between traIn and platform. Sad
Already referenced earlier, r90.
There was a good PBS doc on the making of that episode.
I didn't think Braugher wasn't quite into that episode. IIRC, he thought the concept was over the top, i.e. melodramatic. I always felt Clark Johnson should've been given that lead, instead of being the comic relief. Under-rated actor and brilliant director.
post pic of body after impact
Renee Katz was the music student mentioned by R81. It happened at the 47-49th Street Rock Center station.
That H:LoTS episode stuck with me for a long time, r90. The PBS doc that r91 mentions was really good, too.
Homocide was so good, the show, the actors, everything.