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8 reasons why Ronald Reagan was the worst president of our lifetime
If you ever happen to come across a Republican on television these days, chances are that you will hear the name Ronald Reagan. Recent Republican debates are the perfect example of the love fest that the current Republican party has for Reagan as each candidate name drops the former president at every turn. If you only listened to conservatives you would think that Jesus Christ was the only person above Reagan on the totem pole of conservative love. They talk about his love of low taxes, less government and conservative family values. The problem is that when you step out of the conservative dream and come back to reality, you find that not only was Ronald Reagan a bad president, but he was one of the worst presidents we've seen in modern times. Reagan's policies have destroyed the United States for three decades, and for the eight years he was in office, here are eight reasons why Ronald Reagan was the worst president of our lifetime.
1. Reagan cut taxes for the Rich, increased taxes on the Middle Class -
Ronald Reagan is loved by conservatives and was loved by big business throughout his presidency and there's a reason for it. When Reagan came into office in January of 1981, the top tax rate was 70%, but when he left office in 1989 the top tax rate was down to only 28%. As Reagan gave the breaks to all his rich friends, there was a lack of revenue coming into the federal government. In order to bring money back into the government, Reagan was forced to raise taxes eleven times throughout his time in office. One example was when he signed into law the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982. Reagan raised taxes seven of the eight years he was in office and the tax increases were felt hardest by the lower and middle class.
2. Tripling the National Debt -
As Reagan cut taxes for the wealthy, the government was left with less money to spend. When Reagan came into office the national debt was $900 billion, by the time he left the national debt had tripled to $2.8 trillion.
3. Iran/Contra -
In 1986, a group of Americans were being held hostage by a terrorist group with ties to Iran. In an attempt to free the hostages, Ronald Reagan secretly sold arms and money to Iran. Much of the money that was received from the trade went to fund the Nicaragua Contra rebels who were in a war with the Sandinista government of Nicaragua. When the scandal broke in the Untied States it became the biggest story in the country, Reagan tried to down play what happened, but never fully recovered.
4. Reagan funded Terrorists -
The attacks on 9/11 by al-Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden brought new attention to international terrorism. All of a sudden, Americans coast to coast wore their American flag pins, ate their freedom fries and couldn't wait to go to war with anyone who looked like a Muslim. What Americans didn't realize was that the same group that attacked the United States on 9/11 was funded by Ronald Reagan in the 1980s. Prepping for a possible war with the Soviet Union, Ronald Reagan spent billions of dollars funding the Islamist mujahidin Freedom Fighters in Afghanistan. With billions of American dollars, weapons and training coming their way, the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden took everything they were given and gave it back to the United States over a decade later in the worst possible way imaginable.
5. Unemployment issues -
When Ronald Reagan came into office 1981, unemployment was at 7.5%. After Reagan cut taxes for the wealthy, he began raising taxes on the middle and lower class. Corporations started to ship more jobs out of the United States while hiring cheap foreign labor in order to make a bigger profit. While corporations made billions, Americans across the country lost their jobs. As 1982 came to a close, unemployment was nearly 11%. Unemployment began to drop as the years went on, but the jobs that were created were low paying and barely helped people make ends meet. The middle and lower class had their wages nearly frozen as the top earners saw dramatic increases in salary.
6. Ignoring AIDS -
By the time the 1980s came around, AIDS had become one of the most frightening things to happen to the country in recent memory. No one understood what AIDS and HIV really was and when people don't understand something, they become scared of it. The fear of the unknown was sweeping across the country and Americans needed a leader to speak out about this horrible virus, that leader never came. Instead of grabbing the bull by the horns and taking charge, Reagan kept quiet. Reagan couldn't say the words AIDS or HIV until seven years into his presidency, a leader not so much.
7. Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million Undocumented Immigrants -
In today's GOP, the idea of any immigrant staying in the United States whether they are legal or illegal isn't something that conservatives embrace. What might shock them is that in 1982 Ronald Reagan gave nearly 3 million undocumented workers amnesty. The biggest reason for undocumented workers coming to the United States is because corporations hire them at a cheaper rate than they would an American citizen. All the laws that would have cracked down on companies who hire undocumented workers were, of course, removed from the bill.
8. His attack on Unions and the Middle Class - The Republican war on unions and the middle class has been heating up in states like Wisconsin and Ohio, but it has been going on for a long time. Unions are formed to give a united voice to the workers in an attempt to create fairness between the corporations and their employees. On August 3rd, 1981, PATCO (Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization) went on strike in an effort to get better pay and safer working conditions. Two days later, taking the side of business, Ronald Reagan fired 11,345 workers for not returning to work.
- There are a lot of great reasons Reagan sucked as a president. For me, the biggest one is how he and his PR team made it socially acceptable to hate, blame and bash the poor.
There has always been a streak of "hate the poor" in American life and politics but during the Reagan years it became more socially acceptable than it had ever been when I was growing up. It was no longer necessary for conservatives to even try to hold back their contempt for America's poor.
Even more than the ridiculous "trickle down" economics, a fantasy still popular among Republicans, the open hatred and demonizing of the poor is the lasting legacy of Ronald Reagan.
- Such offensive garbage. Get bashed OP. Let us know when you've accomplished anything close to what Reagan accomplished. Nasty ass queen.
- Uh oh. Freeper R2 hears the truth and gets scared.
OP's article is too kind to Reagan. He was worse than that.
Thanks for posting OP
- Just f&f R2 and send his ass back to freerepublic.
- It leaves out how he celebrated greed and not caring about anyone but yourself and your path to wealth. And even worse was how he encouraged a celebration of ignorance and cut education.
- Perhaps, R2 would like to explain to us exactly what is inaccurate in the OP's post? Reagan tripled the national debt, cut taxes for the wealthy, attacked the unions, funded terrorists, and ignored the AIDS crisis. What is so offensive about the truth?
- Something that has not gotten significant attention is how during the Reagan years the deregulation of business accelerated. It got a lot easier to screw over customers and mistreat workers. And it's hard to get those things back once they've been dismantled.
- One letter for why Reagan is not the worst President: W.
- Is there suppose to be a debate about OP's theory?
- Lifting the regulations that prohibited the consolidation of media ownership was another crime of the Reagan administration. Five or six companies now own virtually every private TV network and affiliate, movie studio and radio station, magazine and book publishing company in America. Their choke-hold on the flow of information and their power to control the narrative of our society are an often overlooked peril.
- The judges he appointed. More unqualified people were elevated to the federal bench than the nation had scene in at least 150 years.
- Give it up, OP, he was the most popular president in US history He won almost every state in his reelection, including NY and Calif and lots and lots of Dems.
- he was evil, through and through. now back to free republic, with you r12, and take you homophobe froend r2 with you.
- seen obviously.
He treasonously bargained with Iran to keep the hostages confined until his inauguration and paid Iran off with arms from Israel.
He caved to terrorism in Beirut in 1983.
He launched an invasion of Grenada under false pretenses, and it was botched.
He encouraged banks to go on a huge Latin America debt binge and meddled with the affairs of Latin countries, leading to starvation and economic collapse in many of them.
He enouraged the apartheid regime in South Africa to stand firm.
He wasted many billions on military projects that were impractical and corrupt.
His EPA was the worst despoiler of the land in decades.
He put magical thinkers in charge of NASA which led to disaster.
More high officials of the government under Reagan were prosecuted for crimes than in any administration before or since.
Edwin Meese declared war on gay people and pornography.
The war on drugs was a thinly veiled race war.
He dumped the mentally ill onto the streets.
His CIA got into the drug running business.
The USA went into permanent trade deficit under Reagan.
His director of OMB admitted that the deficit spending was intended to force the government to cut its entitlement programs.
- Again, an ignorant jackass confuses competence with popularity: R12,
- My aunt's friend who was a stylist to ALL the big names in DC said that Ronald Reagan was a drooly-lipped pants-shitter at the end of his first term and that Nancy had to order specially-made monkey diapers so Ronnie wouldn't tear them off.
Alexander Haig resigned because he couldn't stand the ass stench. And that's how George "No-Nose"Shultz became RR's SoS.
- I can think of A LOT more than 8 reasons to hate Reagan.....but I get the general drift of this thread, of course.
- He apparently was responsible for some kind of change in banking regulations as well that lead to today's massive consumer debt.
I remember in the '70s it was almost impossible to get a credit card. By the end of Reagan's 12 years in office, it was almost impossible not to get one, and a Gold Card at that.
The Fairness Doctrine went away under his watch too, and gave us idiots like Rush Limbaugh.
- he was a horrible, small man (regardless of his large movie cowboy stature) and his 8 year reign indeed can be blamed for many of the current ills facing this country.
- Informercials. We have them because of Reagan's deregulation that also allowed more commercials per hour of television programing.
There is an impact even asshats can get mad about.
- But how would asshats know about the latest Ronco inventions, R21? Who do you think buys them?
- R12, you are wrong. Bill Clinton was at the end of his second term, despite Monica.
Reagan began the Republican policies that persist today and are the foundations of their approach to gov't. He mostly was successful in implementing his program- in that sense he was effective- if dead wrong and as such has contributed as much as any President to our current problems.
But by far the worst President of my lifetime was G W Bush. He bungled everything and got us into the two longest wars of our history- both of which were politically strategically and morally wrong. Getting Al Qaeda was the goal- not war Iraq and Afganistan- and he foolishly abandoned that moving special op forces to Iraq. He also was stupid enough to continue the Reagan tax cutting policy in the supposed effort to stimulate economic growth- which Reagan provded did not work when he subsequently increased taxes after decreasing them because of continued poor growth in the economy.
Bush was incompetent and surrounded by others(neocons Cheny etc) who were simple dead wrong on every major issue, or sycophants (Condi). He will go down in history as the worst or near worst. Reagan will be viewed as a leader of failed policies.
- what r24 said...Christ, W was just horrible on so many levels.
If somehow, Jeb Bush gets the repuke nomination in 2016 and is elected, my head will explode.
- I remember being alarmed during Bush 43's presidency and some well-informed friends of mine said, "This is nothing compared to what Reagan did."
- Seriously, I think getting rid of the fairness doctrine was the most damaging thing he did. It shifted control of the media away from the public's best interest.
- He had camera charisma. Movie actor.
- I disagree with just about everything on this thread and was about to respond, and then thought, "nah, why bother?"
- What R2 says....
- Bush 43 was a worse President than Reagan...
Bush had Cheney acting as President, Reagan kept Cheney out.
Bush appointed Rumsfeld as Defense Secretary.
Bush invaded and tried to occupy Iraq.
Trying to privatize social security.
- I was a lobbyist during his earliest days and I saw the emergence of right wing nutjobs in the administration that no respectable republican before would have paid the slightest mind to.
They first started creeping up in small appointed positions and like cockroaches they multiplied and were everywhere - on the bench, throughout all the agencies.
Even some of what used to be considered conservatiove Senators or Members of Congress were a bit taken aback by the extremism and the nastiness.
When Reagan started to deregulate the banks my mom warned me that this was very dangerous - she had been in stocks and bonds at a huge NYC savings & loan bank before she married. There was, after all, a reason the regs were first put in place following the stock market crash and it wasn't to jam the rich.
- Reagan deregulation resulted in e coli in ground beef and salmonella in eggs and chicken.
Reagan interior secretary, James Watt, declared the BEACH BOYS dangerous hippies who encouraged drug use and alcoholism and had attracted "the wrong element."
Have the first trillion dollar deficits -- under Reagan -- been mentioned? I'll mention it again.
The worst is that no one will TOUCH Reagan today, not even Democrats. He's established such an iconic image based on myths, everyone's afraid.
- R33, MARY!
- R33 - Reagan didn't give us trillion dollar deficits. Bush did.
- You're mistaken, dumbass, r35. Reagan lowered taxes and increased spending = the recipe for trillion $ deficits! Bush did the same thing only worse.
You are an ignorant little ass, aren't you r35, in love with Ronnie's image by chance?
- After the no cost to taxpayer redesign of White House rooms Nancy's designer and his partner were allowed to spend the night in one of the famous rooms.
- R36 Yes, you are right. Reagan cut taxes and increased defense spending which led to larger deficits, but they did not hit a trillion till 2007-8. See link.
I'm no fan of Reagan, but I think Bush was far worse.
- I LIVED IT, it WAS trillion dollars deficits, dearest.
AND REAGAN RAN IN 1980 ON BALANCING THE FEDERAL BUDGET!!! MARY MARY MARY!!
- And I'm going to comment AGAIN on the worst of it:
Reagan does not get the credit/blame he deserves for ruining this county.
- R39, No it wasn't. Look at the link. Deficits went up under Reagan, but only to 300 billion.
Bush's deficits were worse.
- YOU ARE WRONG.
Yeah Bush was worse, duh. Reagan racked it up to the trillions too:
"As a short-run strategy to reduce inflation and lower nominal interest rates, the U.S. borrowed both domestically and abroad to cover the Federal budget deficits, raising the national debt from $997 billion to $2.85 trillion. This led to the U.S. moving from the world's largest international creditor to the world's largest debtor nation. Reagan described the new debt as the "greatest disappointment" of his presidency."
- Not to mention the global terror at his nuclear brinkmanship.
Bush was an idiot and a mess. Reagan had an agenda that he ruthlessly pushed forward that used division, fear and hatred to consolidate power.
Reagan was worse.
- Yes, he raised the debt by more than a trillion over the course of 8 years. But the deficits - the annual shortfalls - were much less than a trillion.
- I remember reading the newspaper when I was in high-school, and the article was talking about how Reagan saw Armageddon coming but was staying optimistic. As a 15 year old, this scared the crap out of me. I also read his biography, and was stunned that he didn't realize the nations fear of nuclear war until they showed "The Day After". How in the hell are you the President of The United States during the cold war, and not realize this? Scary times indeed.
- In all history would be more like it.
- As bad as Reagan was, I still think Bush was worse.
- Stating the obvious.
What is truly scary, is how many Americans think otherwise. Makes you realize that the problems with the USA are the people, not the Presidents.
- True, I know foolish people that idolize RayGun. They're crazy as that nutcase Backkkman from Minnesota.
- R21, I want to hear more about Reagan and infomercials. The person who allowed that to happen deserves capital punishment.
- Was it him who had a hand in shutting down old mental hospitals?
- Yes, and adding to the streets tons of homeless, mentally unstable, unmedicated people. Thanks Ronnie, may your time in Hell be spent swimming in the lovely water of the Styx.
- "Let us know when you've accomplished anything close to what Reagan accomplished. Nasty ass queen"
I shat my diapers...
Oh sorry - that was when I was 18 months old - not when I stood for President...
I've got another 30 years to go, though.
- “They make their own choice for staying out there.”
- Interesting that he is so beloved in history when he was far more destructive to the country than Dummy Dubya. The first Bush called his trickle down economics 'voodoo economics' but still accepted the offer to run for Veep. I never respected Bush the Elder after that. Reagan was a disaster; it is amazing that OPs list is widely known, yet he is still revered. I remember him trying to pass off ketchup as a vegetable to cut down on costs for lunches for poor school kids. The man was an abomination. When he left office, more people than ever were working at minimum wage jobs.
- Don't forget the scariest part - long before he left office, we now know he was at some stage of Alzeihmer's; I wonder if he even was aware of some of his decisions.
- He won the Cold War, and despite his best efforts did it without a nuclear war.
- Bush was a worse president, obviously, but Reagan started us down this path.
- With all of the Right-wingers running around bragging about Reagan defeating communism, I wonder how many of them secretely wish they could still point to Russia and silence the country as they try to throw together a Reagan look-alike presidency with all the wrong pieces.
Meanwhile, I think we need to focus more on not falling into the war on terror and allowing them to get the kind of control that Reagan had.
- Please pick up a history book, R58.
- Reagan is NOT a beloved president. He is beloved by the crazy right wing, but not the general public. Today Clinton polls much better than Reagan, and no one calls Clinton beloved.
Reagan won a landslide election in 1984 because the democrats were in disarray, nominated a terrible candidate, and few people realized just how terrible Reagan was. Today most people do realize it. His stock will sink lower and lower as history tends to get things right in retrospect.
Reagan was basically Sarah Palin in drag.
- Reagan's 1984 landslide was around 8 points in the popular vote.
- R63 - Try 20.
- R59 is right.
- Congress knew Reagan should have been impeached for the Iran-Contra scandal but they didnt charge him because that would have been a terrible blow to public confidence in government, and it was considered way too soon since Nixon/ Watergate.
Reagan was a shithead. If in 1975, someone told me Ronald Reagan would become president I would have laughed my ass off. That actor was just the electable face of the military industrial complex and Wall Street banks. He definitely pulled off his lines better than Dubya.
- Let us also not forget that Taliban leaders visited the White House under Reagan's administration.
Reagan funded Al Qaeda and the Mujahideen/Taliban when Afghanistan was fighting the Soviets.
Bin Laden didnt hate the West in the 80s. He loved the U.S. back then. Bush 41 also funded Saddam & he also is good family friends with the Laden family.
All this is quite sinister when you think about it & it is the tragedy of our time that none of this information is common knowledge in the U.S.
It's common knowledge in the Middle East.
- Millions of reasons in my book, namely all of those who died from AIDS and those who now have it and HIV.
And in the tens of millions living in extreme poverty and those who are homeless, virtually unheard of in America before Reagan. Hell add up all those destroyed lived and there are probably hundreds of millions of reasons why Reagan was the worst and the most evil.
Not to minimize what he did (I am a Jew who lost great grandparents in the Holocaust) even Hitler didn't kill as many or cause as much suffering to so many as Reagan and after almost 35 years the suffering and death Reagan caused is still going on.
- [quote]One letter for why Reagan is not the worst President: W.
Dubya would never have gone into politics if it weren't for Reagan.
- R69 - Doubtful.
W was son of HW. HW was a leading candidate in 1980. If it were not for Reagan, HW (a moderate then) could have become President eight years earlier. He might have won another term,
- Reagan's administration was more terrible. At least W signed PEPFAR which is the best piece of legislation he ever signed. It has dramatically curbed deaths from HIV/AIDS in Africa. W did not wage a war on the middle class like Reagan did. Reagan did not sign one damn thing that helped others, and it sickens me that he has an airport named after him despite what he did to those air traffic controllers.
If Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac didnt crash in 2008, I believe Bush would be held today in much higher regard. Before the recession & foreclosure crisis was finally being headlined in mainstream media, he was vindicated by the success of the surge in Iraq.
- [quote]W did not wage a war on the middle class like Reagan did.
- I've always thought that he was one of the very worst things that happened to the American middle class. And not because he raised taxes on the middleclass but because he killed the unions, the only thing American workers had to keep them from living in Scroogetown.
- Actually, I hated Reagan and Nancy so much, I really hoped they would live forever. If they each lived for at least a hundred years...maybe eventually they would learn compassion.
- Ignoramus R64:
Reagan won by 9.8 % points in the popular vote. Not 20, not even a lousy 10.
- Bush only delivered a fraction of the funding he promised to Africa on AIDS, and it was heavily weighted to right wing states.
- Reagan espoused faux happy nationalism, using faux patriotic imagery.
- Left winged loones everywhere you are creeps, misfits, and no one likes you. So enjoy the misery, loves company.
- OP, are you forgetting the scumbag that preceded Obama that the republicans managed to shove into the White House illegally who started 2 wars, taxed the poor and gave tax breaks to the rich and let the environment go to hell among other things? He was equally as bad if not worse. Actually I think he may have been slightly retarded which just goes to show you that if you have enough money even retards can go to Yale. What is it about mental retardation and republicanism of today?
- It was Welfare for the Rich and Warfare for the Poor with both ronnie reegin and dubya.
- F&F R2 for the "bashed" comment. And the rest of it.
- [quote]Reagan espoused faux happy nationalism, using faux patriotic imagery.
He made me PROUD to be American! (chokes up, misty-eyed)
- He made the entire South proud to be racist, antigay, anti-feminist, and anti-union. For that alone, he should burn in hell.
- R70 - Bush waged war on the middle class and the poor at least as much as Reagan did.
- Somebody, PLEASE take a shit in my mouth!
- r78 doesn't wipe well.
- Mommy, what's that smell? Mommy, I feel something in my pants, it's like a cushion. Mommy, what's that smell? Mommy, I feel something in my.....
It's Nancy's turn now, long overdue, to do what Ronnie did. Let's hope they make her up so that she doesn't look like a Pez dispenser for once and that they'll plant her inside of a week rather than a month as they did with ronnie--for a while there I thought we'd have our very own American cold cut like Lenin in Moscow (I understand Lenin is 3/4 wax now).
- Worst, next to W
- margaret thatcher pal bump
- He was definitely one of the worst. He was an absolute clod, an idiot who had other people, unscrupulous, corrupt people, make his decisions for him. I think a lot of the American public took him at face value; who could this grinning cowboy doofus be anything but a good ol' boy who loves America? Well, the truth was he didn't give a SHIT about America, at least middle-income and lower-income Americans.
Weirdly, people in depressed rural areas (the white ones, anyway) loved Ronald Reagan. They thought he was on their side, but he couldn't have cared less about them. Rural areas tend to vote for Republicans, who are the least likely to do anything to improve their standard of living. I guess it's just pure ignorance that causes them to do that.
Ah, the eighties, the era that so many Dataloungers look back on so fondly. It was the Reagan era. He kept saying "We're the best! It's morning in America! Everything is going to be hunky dory for everybody and it's never going to change! So let's spend, spend, spend, and borrow, borrow, borrow and have biggest, bestest time EVER!" And people believed it. And it was a DISASTER. How can people be so stupid? How can they?
- Conservatives are, by their very nature, stupid. It's what makes them conservative.
- Thanks to Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher the divide between rich and poor in this world will probably never recover. Two people who only cared about the wealthy and loathed anyone else. (And two people who could have helped the AIDS crisis, as well as gay rights, enormously, but instead chose to follow their homophobia.)
I don't know which one was worse.
- Maggie and Ronnie are sunning themselves along the river Styx now....laughing about their atrocious legacies.
- R84 - yeah, but he did it 20 years after Reagan did his.
- What R91 said.
- Never EVER understood his appeal. I guess he made conservative politics look cozy and homey. He was an actor after all, the first actor ever to occupy the White House instead of just entertain there.
I agree with the 8 reasons. When the White House split open unexpectedly during Iran/Contra and there was little Ollie North down in the basement shredding documents I couldn't believe it. And he was having Fawn Hall take the rest out in her panty hose. Remember her? Ugh.
But Carter was worse.
- Compared to Reagan, Carter was a saint. He actually cared about human rights abuses.
Reagan funded terrorist militias in Central America, subverting the Constitution. He violated federal law (the Boland Amendment) by selling arms to Iran to fund the Contras.
Reagan changed US status from the world's largest creditor nation to the world's largest debtor nation. He didn't care about deficits, he didn't care about the future.
He was a sadistic, stupid, self-centered man. And Americans were truly duped to vote for him.
The real Mary.
- I think Reagan may be the only person I come close to hating.
[quote]Weirdly, people in depressed rural areas (the white ones, anyway) loved Ronald Reagan. They thought he was on their side, but he couldn't have cared less about them. Rural areas tend to vote for Republicans, who are the least likely to do anything to improve their standard of living. I guess it's just pure ignorance that causes them to do that.
And yet, I still feel compassion for them even though they keep voting to cut their own throats. Codependency?
- R98...not Rush Limbaugh? Sarah Palin? Clarence Thomas? Antonin Scalia? George W. Bush? Dick Cheney?
- No, r99. It's Reagan for me.
- I guess my point, R100, is why limit yourself so? Especially to one who is dead?
There are so many actively evil and utterly hateable assholes alive today and doing serious damage to this country, probably none more so than the two assholes on the Supreme Court who have saddled us with Bush v. Gore, Citizens United, and several other decisions that have essentially trashed this country.
- Perhaps it is because I was in college during the Reagan years and began paying attention to politics. Even back then I knew how damaging and degrading the "trickle down economics" theory was. What I couldn't figure out was why so many people who were much smarter than I went along with it.
I would also want to add Robert McNamara to my list.
- Never ever understood why Reagan was so great. Race relations plummented. So many racial'stereotypes that tapped into White fear. 'The Chicago Woman" welfare queen, "Wille Horton" yes Bush1 but still Reagan era. The worst waswhen the CIA put crack on the street to fund Iran/Contra. They knew exactly where to put it. The knew the black community would be weak enough to fall for it & we did. It wasn't little Jamal standing on the corner spending millions bringing that stuff in on planes. It was the gov't & those sitting in fancy boardrooms. They didn't do mandatory minimums.
- He was one of our greatest Presidents.
- [quote]Even back then I knew how damaging and degrading the "trickle down economics" theory was. What I couldn't figure out was why so many people who were much smarter than I went along with it.
Same here. I also couldn't believe how many educated, so-called "experts" praised trickle-down economics as the greatest thing ever, and I just could not understand how people who were so much smarter than I was about financial systems were praising it. Even *I* knew the trickle-down theory was absolute horseshit, and I have no background in finance whatsoever. It made no sense whatsover.
- ronald reagan ruined america.
- We have to remember that first and foremost RR was an ACTOR, had been so for decades. THAT is why he became President. His handlers wanted to sell us a bill of goods, and they couldn't have picked a better spokesman for it. TPTB saw how he flew in California, and decided to unleash his popularity and persuasiveness on the country as a whole. Does any sane person believe that it was Reagan making the hideous decisions that are credited to him? Iran/Contra; the Social Security grab; the dismantling of the unions; the loathing and sidelining of the middle class, etc. etc. etc. These and all the others were a good thing for the fat cats, and were insidiously installed, and made to pay. Reagan may as well have had marionette strings tied to him, it was so obvious from the sort of men who were in his inner circle. The majority in this country bought their "movie tickets" to see the best performance that RR ever did. I will loathe Reagan forever for what he and his pals did, but blame must be laid at the feet of those who fell under his spell, and voted for him twice. Once was bad enough, but how could it happen a second time, after what we saw during Reagan Act 1?
- It's interesting how these Ronald Reagan Failure Review threads are popping up all over right now. And yet millions of people still adore him. Amazing how ignorance is catching.
- Poor OP, your blind stupidity knows no bounds. in addition OP is a fucking liar. He's pissed because he feels Reagan didn't do enough for HIV/AIDS. Perhaps he's trying to make that lying sack of shit, Obama look better. By the way, last week The White House said Obama "never met" his illegal uncle from Kenya. Now, according to ABC news, The White House has reversed course. Obama lived with the SOB.
- Why is it that these guys on the right, Reagan and W, were able to change the course of our country so dramatically but when we get dems in power they can't undo almost any of it? Id it just easier to dismantle than to build?
Clinton and Obama are smart guys who if given the chance to do most of what they wanted to do could have reversed some of this but Bill got derailed with the impeachment and Obama ended up with so many fires to put out by the time he could work on longterm stuff he for a congress that kept almost anything from happening. Plus they both got pulled to the right of where they started.
I know congress is a big thing but both Reagan and Bush had to deal with Dem congresses at some point.
Even when we had all branches the fillibuster went nuts and all the good legislation Palosi passed died in the Senate.
I also think the industrial war complex and Big Business and Wall Street after Citizens United are too big to overcome. The Supreme Court righties are too young.
With all the gerrymandering it will be another 6 years until we might get an even shot at congress and it's a miracle we held onto the senate this long with so many more red states than blue.
My one hope is that there seems to be a populist uprising happening that could pull in people from all sides to shake things up. The income inequality is becoming a big thing in people's minds finally.
- Wow. You're really reaching with this. Interesting that Jimmy Carter is revered here but Ronald Reagan doesn't pass muster. Very inconsistent standards.
- Okay R111 in light on Nelson Mandela death, let's compare Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan on South Africa's apartheid policy.
Despite a growing international movement to topple apartheid in the 1980s, President Ronald Reagan maintained a close alliance with a South African government that was showing no signs of serious reform. And the Reagan administration demonized opponents of apartheid, most notably the African National Congress, as dangerous and pro-communist. Reagan even vetoed a bill to impose sanctions on South Africa, only to be overruled by Congress.
Carter’s views about racial equality, however, were expressed as early as 1971 in his inaugural address as the governor of Georgia. In that speech he announced that "At the end of a long campaign, I… say to you quite frankly that the time for racial discrimination is over…no poor, rural, weak, or black person should ever have to bear the additional burden of being deprived of the opportunity of an education, a job or simple justice."
Carter appointed Andrew Young UN Ambassador, who was very outspoken against apartheid. Young's rhetoric appeared to share the then prevailing assumption that this systemized discrimination was simply unacceptable. He declared once that "at some point we’ve got to come to the conclusion that we’re no longer going to finance apartheid. When we come to that conclusion, it’s amazing how quickly the South Africans will come to their senses"
- r97 nailed it.
Reagan's presidency started our long national decline.
- R108 needs to actually read the reasons why Reagan is so reviled by about 150 million Americans.
- Correction, Ronald Reagan was the best president we ever had. Just because you queers couldn't share in the prosperity and joy that we normal people were able to have doesn't make him a bad president. Not everyone can sit on the dais, homos. Maybe if you boys had kept your Levis zipped and begged forgiveness from G-d for your sins against Him and nature, you could've partaken in the wave of happiness that swept the nation during his presidency. G-d annointed Mr. Reagan president, and he certainly did Him proud. Have a blessed day.
- r116, go to hell! What's with all the freeper types invading this site lately?
- [quote]G-d annointed Mr. Reagan president, and he certainly did Him proud. Have a blessed day.
- Reagan was a failure, just like most everything that the republican party does and stands for.
- It was Reagan who opened the Republican party to the
right-wing Jesus crowd and gave them the keys to
the kingdom. They've been the driving force in Republican politics for over three decades, thanks to him.
- Looking back on the Reagan years...
- yep, that's about the sum of it. ole Ronnie had the wall street Turd Don Regan as his manager. don and his wall street buddies crawled into ronnie's fading mind (age) and snookered him and the Nation. ronnie should have stayed an Actor. that was his life's calling. he had no business being President. he got the ball rolling for what we see in America today. Obama is trying to reverse the mess, but only time will tell if he is able.
- Here's a fellow 1%'er admitting that 'trickle down' does not work and that the wealthy do not create jobs, the middle class customer does.
- reagan sucks
- Best thread bump of the week!
- Trickle down economics is the biggest load of horseshit. The wealthy are not "job creators." They hoard their money, put it in tax shelters, and park it in offshore accounts. Amazing how stupid and gullible Americans can be.
- My mom died because of Reagan.
When he was California governor, he changed the laws to make it much more difficult to commit people. Other states followed suit, because the states didn't want to pay for all the state run mental hospitals and lifelong mental patients, so to save money, they basically opened the door and turned loose people who had no idea how to survive outside. We've had homeless mental patients roaming the streets ever since. Now the mentally ill fill the prisons and shoot up schools, but states save a lot of money on picking up the bill for chronically ill mental patients. So if a few schools get shot up and a few students get killed, so what? We're saving money and that's what's really important!
My mom had early onset dementia. The doctors could not figure out what was wrong and she declined physically and mentally very quickly. She insisted she was fine, though she couldn't care for herself or her house, and was a hoarder. As she got worse, she lost motor skills and fell frequently. We tried again and again to have her committed. No dice. She wasn't an immediate danger to herself or others, so she spent her last days in a filthy hellhole she couldn't keep clean. We tried to clean it for her, but she would pick up a food item, take one serving, and then throw the rest on the floor. Roaches were everywhere. We kept trying to keep her in the hospital long enough to get a diagnosis, but the hospital wasn't allowed to keep her, although they begged a judge and said she was in danger. They lost. She fell down at home, lay naked in the cold in her own piss all night until she was found. She died.
- As bad as Reagan was, he wasn't the worst. The Bush & Cheney twin terrors were. They did things that Reagan's manipulators wouldn't have dreamed of doing and have turned America into the Soviet Union circa 1950. Reagan was probably the second worst, although for maintaining and even extending many of the worst Constitutional abuses of Bush & Cheney, Obama is in the running.
- Clinton helped create Bush and Cheney, and Obama has continued much of their legacy.
- Reagan was the worst
- No one can top the W administration for incompetence and venality. But I blame Reagan more.
First, because as others have pointed out, he set in motion so much that's been destructive to the United States, morally and fiscally and, for that matter, environmentally.
He set in motion the destruction of the middle class, and we will all pay for that.
More important, though, he's worse because while even the Republicans today know they should publicly shun Bush, they've never shunned Reagan. They worship him. He's spoken of as a hero. They want to put him on Mt. Rushmore besides Washington and Jefferson.
Give me a fucking break. He was a shallow man pandering to the rich, and he did horrible things to this nation. We live with the legacy of his manipulations and lies.
- I hate Reagan and W Bush, but I will never understand this love for Jimmy Carter. I wonder how many of you were even alive when Carter was president.
Don't tell what Carter "stood for," tell me how he managed the job. Carter was a micro-manager hated by his own members of congress. He was "my way or the highway," and did a stinking job when we needed a strong and effective Democratic president.
- OP is full of shit.
- It was more than just Reagan. It was the men all around him. They were pushing all those programs when he no longer was aware of what was going on. One of the main reasons the nation didn't know was his bitch blow-job champion.
- True, r135. Don Regan, James Baker etc. were all vile, vile men.
- Reagan was always a delegater.
- He was married to that wrinkly thing.
- 1. Ronald Reagan made the presidency of George W. Bush possible by dumbing down the United States.
2. Reagan made Osama Bin Laden's rise possible.
3. Ran from Hezbollah.
4. Reagan promoted jingoism.
5. Reagan traded with terrorists.
6. Responsible for out-of-control air travel prices
7. Inaction on AIDS led to deaths of millions.
8. Eliminated federal program to immunize children by age 2, leading to 55,000 cases of measles in the US between 1989 and 1991 with 123 deaths, most of which were young childen. Yes, Reagan chose to kill US kids.
9. Reagan screwed up Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Problems those programs face now were started by that jerk.
10. Declared war on low-income women and kids.
That's just 10 of the things for which that butthole is responsible. To his fans who are screaming about his popularity and the 1984 election, Hitler was popular too. Oh, a Polish priest had more to do with ending the Cold War than Bonzo did.
- Besides setting up the Ralph Reeds etc of this country with power, and appointing the most dishonest cabinet since Harding, he did NOTHING to stop AIDS.
Basically, he killed hundreds of thousands of gay men.
- [quote]He set in motion the destruction of the middle class, and we will all pay for that.
Middle class and poor whites love the destruction of the middle class. They eat it up with a spoon, absolutely can't get enough of it. "The Great Ronald Regan" is second only to Jesus the Christ. They don't want or need bargaining rights, equal pay for women, access to affordable healthcare, environmental protection or any of those wasteful social safety net programs. As I understand it; they send all of their social security payments back to the federal government. They also refuse to use medicare. They voluntarily pay for their own insurance.
- It's amazing how in love DL is with the 80s, the worst decade of the last century.
- Hard times for Checked-Out Obama sycophants, if this is what they're reduced to.
- [quote]It's amazing how in love DL is with the 80s, the worst decade of the last century.
It depends on where you were in the 80s. I was outside the U.S. for most of the 80s and had great times.
- [quote]Hard times for Checked-Out Obama sycophants, if this is what they're reduced to.
Yes they've been reduced to discussing the facts. How tragic for them. We Republicans would never demean ourselves by even considering the idea of entertaining a fact based discussion. The only facts that matter are the ones that we create.
- Just a question for some people here:
I am a millennial so I obviously wasn't around at the time. How successful would you say Carter was as a president compared to Reagan? I cannot stand the things Reagan did but what's strange to me is how, nowadays, many liberals (including Christopher Hitchens) speak disparagingly of Carter, as if he was the worst president of our lifetime. How can that be when he started something like the Department of Education? From what I have read, Carter's approval ratings were higher than Reagan's in the early 90's which makes all the hatred for Carter and nostalgia for Reagan even weirder. Ironically, maybe it was the success of the economy under Bill Clinton--and, not so ironically, the poor economy under Bush Junior--that made Reagan look good to many people?
- I always loved Jimmy Carter, #146. He is a wise and humble man and wrongly and cruelly disrespected. He appears happy now and I believe that is because he knows his detractors are fools.
I am a native Californian who lived through Reagan's years as governor. He was universally despised where I lived in San Francisco. Shortly after he emptied out the state mental health facilities, pouring the mentally ill out onto the streets, a disturbed person beat a woman to death with a roller skate in the Excelsior District.
He had no compassion for the mentally ill. He was a smug rich man beholden to wealth.
- R147, thanks. That tells me all I need to know about the creep, Reagan. What was it like under the Carter administration? I know it's pointless to imagine what life would be like if things were different, but I wonder what America would be like if Carter became president for a second term?
- The Democrats controlled the House for the Reagan Administration and controlled the Senate for some time. Why aren't they being held responsible?
Of course. most of you are happy with the peanuts thrown to you by your overlords.
- Carter sucked as president because he couldn't handle the job regardless how honest and wise he was supposed to be. I'm a boomer, and I was paying attention.
The 1980s was good in several ways, one of which was that gay icon Martina Navratilova was number one in tennis for five years. She ruled.
President Carter is an intellectual man who really cares about people, especially those in need. He is a person whose live embodies service to others with kindness and compassion. His involvement with Habitat for Humanity is a good example of that.
I always thought that hostage situation that lead to the election of Reagan was a scam, designed by behind the scenes rich power brokers to make Carter look weak and Reagan, who was running for president, look strong.
No wars were started under Carter, no soldiers died to satisfy the lust of the uber rich. Our more recent crop of warmongering Neocon types cannot hold to his honesty, integrity, and honor.
- I spent so much of my life hating Reagan and Nancy and for everything they supported and for not even saying the word "AIDS" until Nancy's hair dresser died and she needed to get her hair done; and that's when it finally came to her and Ronnie's attention! Its amazing just how "removed" there truly were from everything and everyone. Let me just put my cards on the table!
First off -
Nancy was a blood sucking leech-whore who fell in "love" with the equally duplicitous, ladder climbing, back stabbing actor-zombie, brain dead Reagan, an evil guild president who turned colleagues into the McCarthy commission and also became the a lousy governor of California before becoming one of our worst presidents!!!
Now let me tell you how I really feel -
Nancy's morality was completely encapsulated in 'Just Say No' simplicity. She's a lingering dolt that exposed a rigid moral code about other people's private lives while she herself proudly struts around as a anorexic, pill popping vampire and cheap stealing dress whore.
Always around to speak for her husband like he was a puppet, it was SHE who controlled the White House!
Finally, before I lose my cool -
I can only come to the conclusion that Nancy Reagan (and beloved Ronny) were clueless zombie sucking vampires who justified their cheating and cheap whore some ways, under the mantle of love and fidelity when the truth was they were both anti-social personalities and had no empathy for anyone but themselves. They drained the nation and left laughing all the way to the bank. Cashing in on "playing" the president and helping no one but their own filthy hands.
OK, just a little bit more -
They were the worst kinds of people that made it to the White House. Nancy and her astrologer that helped shape our international policy. Between her wanting the "right" dishes, never paying for any clothing and acting like she truly cared.... There is not much redeemable about them. Only that in spite of the fact that they were both horrible, they appear to have raised two honest children.......who always tell the truth about their parents....
- It is very telling that both Ron Jr. and Patti Davis turned out to be liberal Democrats. They saw the Republican fuckery of their father's administration up close and they were both sickened by it. And in Patti's case, she also hated her mother, but they've become closer in Nancy's old age.
- He was a scumbag
- Patti Davis is scum, r153. Maureen was Reagan's hippie daughter that turned into a Republican when she wanted a job. Ron jr is the honest one.
- I have no particular feeling for Maureen Reagan, r155, but it was Patti who was the hippie.
Maureen and Michael, both adopted I believe, were shipped off to boarding school when their parents, Ronald Reagan and Jane Wyman, divorced. She was 7 years old, and never lived with her father again. Nancy made sure of that.
Maureen and Michael were pushed away by their father. Reagan didn't even tell Patti and Ron Jr. that Maureen was their half sister until 1960.
- Maureen Reagan was Ronald and Jane's biological child. Michael Reagan was adopted. Nancy tolerated Maureen and disliked Michael.
- Plus he ignored Patti and Ron Reagan Jr.
- R146, it was complicated. I was very young during the Carter administration, but I remember everyone blaming him for inflation, high gas prices, and of course the Iran hostage crisis.
In '73, when Ford was president, there was an oil embargo causing shortages and high prices. That ended in '74, but the fallout was still happening in the late 1970s when Carter was president. I don't remember the "gas war" itself but there were issues with OPEC reducing production of oil, and the USSR starting to drill for oil and becoming a global oil producer, causing strained relations; then, in 1979, the USSR invaded Afghanistan because of greed for oil. Carter was blamed for that, and his subsequent boycott of the 1980 Olympics because of the invasion caused a LOT of hard feelings.
He was seen almost as a hippie, pardoning draft dodgers and expanding social services and installing solar energy panels in the White House. He told people to turn down their furnaces and wear sweaters like he did. People HATED that. They said turning down their heat was just like bread lines in Russia; I distinctly recall hearing that said by many people at the time.
Plus, U.S. auto manufacturers were hurt by the lingering effects of that embargo and OPEC's various policies. He bailed out Chrysler at the very end of his term, which libertarians to this day complain about every chance they get.
Much of what we're dealing with now are people who are still upset over Carter's "overly" liberal presidency. These are people still upset about FDR, mind you, so Carter is going to be maligned for a long time.
- He was a tragic, venal leader. His legacy goes on and on, complete deregulation of finance industry leading to concentrated wealth in the 1%. Use to be money was made by creating PROJECTS, infrastructure, businesses, industries which employed American workers, thus wealth could be shared with the workers. Due to regulation the only money made is between deal making Banks, etc. There no longer is upward mobility via work in the MIddle class and working poor.
Lastly millenials, and later have proven to "not trust Big Government," which is totally insane GOP/teabagger/Reagan mantra. The end result is the complete inability to see that BIG government advances social/human rights and advances in society: 1963 Civili rights act, Suffrage, Military advances equality in the service.
They know NOTHING about Science, that Science is required to be FUNDED by Big Government: the moon landing, Environmental Protection Agency is actually good until the GOP Fkers got hold of it, Consumer Protection Advocacy, Minimum wage, Renewable Planet saving energy, the list goes all.
All of these safeguards to protect the future of ALL Americans - not just the richest- are now viewed as Guvment intrusion.
He basically sowed the seeds of new slavery for Americans, and for americans to have no expectations that their lives are worth something.
- #GOP = Gotta Obstruct Progress.
- R150, you are a first rate fool.
- College education in Calif, prior to Reagan was basically free as long as College Students maintained GPA. That was the standard across the nation, as citizens had witnessed via the Space Race/Moon Landing that an educated citizenry made our nation truly great.
Reagan was a schill for General Electric for nearly 20 years before becoming Calif Governor. Coincidentally GE which manufactured heavy military equipment, aircraft engines, etc. for war applications.
During Vietnam's DRAFT WAR college kids were dying in a BS/ginned up war of greed - not unlike Iraq. Their protests began to turn the tide for war profiteering, and GE didn't like it.
Reagan removed funding from College Education to punish College Students for their political activism - that is to say trying to save their own lives. And thus the tide against grants for education quickly rotted on the VINE thanks to GOP pushing this policy change across the nation.
Thanks to GOP/Regans WHORING FOR MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX - now banks are free to charge students outrageous interest for education. Taxes no longer bankroll our countries greatness.
- R 163
I like to remind GOP voters that have the stupidity to complain bout the cost of their kids college, that their party put all the greed back in higher education. College use to be regarded as having value and was worth investing in until Reagan got hold of it.
- Reagan was an evil man. His worst crimes were against the mentally ill.
- R165, I think Nicaraguans would disagree with you there.
- He was an idiot, and I mean that sincerely. He was a very stupid man, but he could put a speech across pretty well. That stands to reason; he was an actor: a doofus actor. I don't think he even half knew what was going on in his own administration. That may have been partially due to Alzheimer's, but even when he was younger he wasn't much for brains.
His popularity has been inflated over the years. A great many people could not stand Ronald Reagan. And his record speaks for itself: as a President, he sucked.
- True r167. Reagan's popularity and reputation really took off after the fact. When Reagan was president, many people disliked him and were critical of him, even other Republicans. That's all been whitewashed away in the asinine revisionist history of this idiot, who modern-day Republicans would like you to believe was some kind on anointed saint. It's enough to make you sick.
Ronald Reagan was a fucking disaster, and we're still dealing with the fallout three decades later.
- I despise Reagan, particularly what he did to the people of Central America. However, regarding deregulation, he merely sped up what Carter had already started.
- R162. - Carter was a shitty president, deal with it.
- Not according to the Quinnipiac University Poll
Ronald Reagan is the best president since WWII, 35 percent of voters say.
President Barack Obama is the worst president since World War II, 33 percent of American voters say in a Quinnipiac University National Poll
- OP really expects us to believe George W. Bush was a better President?
- Anybody can win by a landslide when you have no competition. Can anyone really tell you who Mondale was? Popularity. It gets on my nerves hearing White America lie about how good Reagan was. I'm an Independent, so I know how crooked both of these parties are, yet the republicans take the prize on worst presidents ever.
Quinnpac polls RWNJs, home-bound idiots, and any other loser that pick up land line made calls from polling people! Not a realistic poll.
- R171 Given that Obama stands revealed before the world as an empty suit, The Man Who Wasn't There, you can't begrudge the despondent true believers desperate, pathetic exercises like this one.
Anodyne, palliative self-medication to assuage the terrible letdown Obama has been, how irrelevant and insignificant, how embarrassing he's shown himself to be, attempting to clutch Merkel's hem, in an effort to show some feeble sign of leadership.
Rational people know that Reagan's legacy is that Angela Merkel is the leader of Germany, rather than a woman fearing the Stasi in Soviet occupied East Germany.
But, these sad people clinging bitterly to their "Hope" posters and clutching both (!) of Obama's autobiographies have nothing, save pitiful acting-out like you see here.
At least the Carter Cargo Cult nutters haven't decried Teddy Kennedy for challenging Boo Radley Jimmy in 1980 yet...
- My sides! "Reagan was a GE 'schill'" - nice one, #1 Obama Crony Corporatist Jeff Immelt!!
- WHEN THE KOREAN AIRLINES PLANE WAS SHOT DOWN RONALD REAGAN IMMEDIATELY TRANSPORTED TO STARBASE WITH THE GENESIS DEVICE.
- "Not according to the Quinnipiac University Poll."
What the FUCK is "the Qunnipiac University Poll?" And why would anyone take it seriously? I mean, really...Ronald Reagan is the best president sinde WWII? That's pretty insane.
- Raygun is right down there with Dubya, the two worst presidents, ever.
- Reagan was the worst. Ruined the US. There would be no Dubya without Reagan before him.
- You can no longer trust polls in this modern age. Who the fuck is home during the day to answer a land line? Old people.
- So much rationalization and revisionism. And r178 are you 8 years old??
- Dubya was certainly worse in every area. Treason, plain and simple.
- Why quoting the Examiner? Too obvious, how about Pravda or Izvestia? At least try to disguise your bias...a smidgen. Troll. QED
- Obama was certainly worse in every area. Treason, plain and simple.
- Death to the liar at R184
- I hate Reagan. I don't get why the democrats supported him so much when he was president?
- Because Democrats are wimps, R186.
- The calamity of the G. W. Bush years are unequaled.
Bush started his term with a country running a surplus. The Fed was concerned that we were running TOO MUCH of a surplus. The economy was doing well. We were relatively at peace; and there were no major wars in which we were involved. Democracy all over the world was on the march.
Then he wrecked all of it.
He gave out poorly designed tax cuts that rewarded the wealthy disproportionately. Not only did this cause us record deficits, but it meant we didn't have the financial capacity to appropriately deal with the financial crisis in Bush's 7th year. This tax cut created inequality at a level not seen since the Gilded Age, and which is antithetical to Democracy.
He allowed the 9-11 events. Though terrorists can strike at any time, this was a particularly egregious failure of leadership. How costly gas it been? Hundreds of thousands dead or possibly millions, and trillions spent.
He executed the Afghanistan war so poorly, it is still hard to believe, and let Osama bin Laden and much of his crew run free. All this, because he was fixated on another debacle, the Iraq War, which he started under erroneous pretenses and mishandled, as well, proving that the Afghanistan blunder was incompetence, not happenstance.
North Korea became a nuk-u-ler power, and Iraq was well on its way, after having been stupidly threatened by Bush with implied invasion because of their membership in an "Axis of Evil". A dangerously stupid man.
In the 7th year of his administration, we suffered the worst economic collapse in 85 years. At the time, I read predictions that it would take 10 years to get back to full employment, which appears to be correct,especially with continued Congressional obstruction.
There will be college courses on this administration as it packs-in such reliably bad outcomes that it will serve as a concise example of what can go wrong in 8 short years, and how such bad outcomes can take even longer than 8 years to remedy.
In 100 years, when people with personal vested interests are gone, no one will dispute that Bush Jr. Was among the 5 worst, if not the worst, presidents of all time.