OK ladies, I'm calling the Oscars now

Feel free to bump and gloat on Oscar night. I'll post my reasons inside. Picture - Lincoln Director - Steven Spielberg Actor - Daniel Day Lewis Actress - Jennifer Lawrence Supporting Actor - Phillip Seymour Hoffman Supporting Actress - Anne Hathaway Original Screenplay - The Master Adapted Screenplay - Lincoln Foreign Film - The Intouchables

• Picture - Les Miserable Director - Steven Spielberg Actor - Hugh Jackman Actress - Jennifer Lawrence Supporting Actor - Tommy Lee Jones Supporting Actress - Anne Hathaway Original Screenplay - The Master Adapted Screenplay - Lincoln Foreign Film - The Intouchables

• Best Picture - Les Miserables Director - Tom Hooper Actor - Hugh Jackman Actress - Russell Crowe Supporting Actor - Eddie Redmayne Supporting Actress - Anne Hathaway Star of Tomorrow (special award crested for the occasion) - Amanda Seyfried Original Screenplay - Les Miserables (because it's more original than anything else ever written) Adapted Screenplay - Les Miserables Foreign Film - Les Miserables (because it's French in origin, and Hugh Jackman and Russell Crowe are Aussies) Adapted Screenplay -

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• Best Picture - Lincoln Director - Kathryn Bigelow Actor - Daniel Day lewis Actress - Nene Leakes Supporting Actor - Matthew McConaughey Supporting Actress - Sally Field

• Lincoln - Oscar bait that actually deserves an Oscar. Populist yet intelligent, critics and audiences love it, it makes the Academy look noble. Argo is equally good but just doesn't have the same "now THIS is a Best Picture" feel. Les Mis is not going to win. It will underperform at the box office and whatever "old stuffy Academy" votes it could have siphoned off of Argo will be taken by Lincoln. Spielberg - when he is on (Jaws, Raiders, Schindler's List, Saving Private Ryan), no one can touch his freakish sense of how the mass audience processes film. Scorsese is equally gifted, but doesn't have the sensibility that communicates equally and simultaneously to a 10 year-old and a 30 year-old and a 70 year-old. Ben Affleck's award is being nominated for Best Director when YOU'RE BEN AFFLECK. Yeah yeah, Spielberg already has 2, but I would argue (see above) that he should have 4. Actor - DDL gives the best male performance of the year. Period. I didn't think anyone would pass the leads in The Master and was very wrong. I really don't think voters care that much about it being his 3rd and instead thinking "he clearly deserves it, but unless he walks on water this is the last one". Actress - done deal Sup Actor - possible category fraud/"I hated The Master" upsets from someone from Lincoln, a 3rd for DeNiro (my bet), a first for DiCaprio. Sup Actress - she will win even if she has to call each and every voter and adopt an African tribe. Screenplays - I would have said Moonrise Kingdom, but more people hate Wes Anderson than PTA. PTA also shows constant growth and daring while Wes picks out cute costumes. Lincoln for sure.

• Oh, and The Intouchables because foreign film is always a mess and Amour is going to be too challenging.

• Picture -Les Miserables Director - Kathryn Bigelow Actor - Hugh Jackman Actress - Jessica Chastain Supporting Actor - Philip Seymour Hoffman Supporting Actress - Anne Hathaway Original Screenplay - Zero Dark Thirty Adapted Screenplay - Lincoln

• They're not giving Bigelow a 2nd Oscar so soon for another war movie. Hugh Jackman will never win an Oscar.

• Bigelow is getting the best reviews for a director in a long time.

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• I think it's hilarious some of you think Hugh Jackman is going to beat DDL in "Lincoln." It's like saying Meryl Streep should have lost for Sophie's Choice to someone like Olivia Newton-John.

• [quote]I think it's hilarious some of you think Hugh Jackman is going to beat DDL in "Lincoln." Sorry Lady, but Hugh Jackman triumphs in "Les Miserable" as much as your infallible Daniel Day Lewis sucked in "Nine". It's a horse race, and a good one, but Jackman is as desrving as Lewis.

• Oh, the "Les Miz" queens are starting to get feisty!!

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• Yes, R8, great reviews always equal Oscar. Just ask Robert Altman, Stanley Kubrick, Sidney Lumet, Scorsese until it became too embarrassing to not give him one, Truffaut, Godard, Bergman, Kurosawa, HITCHCOCK. She JUST WON a few years ago and it was a double win because of its historic nature. She will always be the first woman to win Best Director. I'm still amazed Streisand didn't read "James Cameron" just to keep the slot open. They're not giving her a 2nd for what looks like "Hurt Locker 2" no matter how good it is.

• There is no buzz at all about Les Mis except Hathaway cut her hair. Except, of course, from Theater Queens. Add a crowded Christmas movie season and you have a movie that does so-so business in the states and becomes "Winner of 4 GOLDEN GLOBES!!!" and is "snubbed" at the oscars. Its this year's "Dreamgirls". Remember the comeback musicals were supposed to have after Moulin Rouge and Chicago? Oh right, it didn't happen because people don't like movie musicals anymore. Especially when they have crap like Travolta in fat drag.

• {quote]There is no buzz at all about Les Mis except Hathaway cut her hair. Remember the comeback musicals were supposed to have after Moulin Rouge and Chicago? Oh right, it didn't happen because people don't like movie musicals anymore. Especially when they have crap like Travolta in fat drag. No Les Miz buzz? I bet you think you know what you're talking about. A genre can make a comeback if people actually make good films. "Hairspray" was a hit, it grossed over $200 million world wide and won awards. "Daniel Day Lewis's "Nine" was a disaster.

• [quote]No Les Miz buzz? I bet you think you know what you're talking about So, you live in Chelsea?

• I'll wait for the Rotten Tomatoes score for Les Mis. Otherwise I think the OP's pics are pretty good.

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• "Noine" was a disaster because it basically consisted of a director being asked, "Where's the script for the movie?" over and over. The "Be Italian" sequence with Fergie was very good, however.

• Nine was shit because Rob Marshall had one good film in him and it was Chicago. I suspect you can substitute Tom Hooper and The Kings Speech this time, although Chicago actually had cinematic energy. John Adams, TKS - he basically does a wide angle close up and calls it a day. TKS was a movie of the week with superior acting.

• Les Miserable 9-2 odds on favorite to win Best Picture

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• I think Amy Adams is going to be the suprise winner at the ceremonies. LES MIS will win several of the technical awards, as well as possibly Best Picture and Director. I can't see THE MASTER getting any other nominations except perhaps Hoffman as Best Actor, which he clearly won't win. Adams will be the only chance that the academy has to reward the movie. Plus, Adams has been nominated several times already. She is overdue. I just don't see Hathaway being the lock that everyone thinks she is. Sally Field has been getting just as much acclaim. Best Supporting Actress is the least predictable of the awards.

• I sure hope Les Mis is good- but how can everyone know how good it is before it has even opened and been widely reviewed?

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• OP's choices are idiotic.

• [quote]I can't see THE MASTER getting any other nominations except perhaps Hoffman as Best Actor, which he clearly won't win. Hoffman will be up for supporting, so CLEARLY you don't know what you're talking about.

• "although Chicago actually had cinematic energy." My dear, fast editing does not equal cinematic energy. How cute.

• Whatever, watching The Kings Speech was like going to a funeral for someone you didn't care about. And, just so you know, editing is what makes film unique from other art forms.

• Of all the great roles Amy Adams has played, and you think she'll win for that steaming pile of shit that has literally disappeared from everyone's radar? Why will she win, exactly? Because of the big scene when she...does nothing? The Master sucked big time and Amy Adams literally has no character or role in The Master. Anne's gonna win this. There's always at least one clear cut winner way in advance, and it's Anne. To bet against her would be arrogant and foolish.

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• If anyone upsets Hathaway, it will be Field in either a sentimental "i want to see her cry" way or in a Lincoln sweep. Or backlash because it already feels like Anne has been campaigning for a year. She needs to tone it down or she'll be exiled to Winslet-ville. In any case, it will be the most overwrought Oscar speech ever and clock in at 20 minutes as she thanks all the little people who will all think "leave me out of it, prom queen". There will be an awkward cut to her husband when she says "this is the greatest moment of my life". Plus the obligatory shout out to Meryl who will blow kisses back to her and think "and they said I was ugly". Whenever people go all "Oprah's Favorite Things Audience" because they won a gold statue of a naked man it makes me feel like I'm watching a slow motion car crash. In other words, it will be AMAZING.

• R26 The Master has an 85% rating at Rotten Tomatoes. So your opinion is clearly not fact. Why did Pacino win for SCENT OF A WOMAN, Renee for COLD MOUNTAIN, Cate for THE AVIATOR? How many actors win for their best performances? So far, the only reason why Anne is allegedly the clear cut winner is because she cut her hair.

• "The Master" lost all it's Oscar momentum because, well people actually saw it. It will probably only get Best Original Screenplay because that category is very weak with Les Miz, Lincoln and Argo all in the Best adapted category. And Philip Seymour Hoffman is supporting but Tommy Lee Jones will get number two before Hoffman will. Even Weinstein can't save this one.

• R30 loves Forrest Gump.

• [quote]How many actors win for their best performances? Its a good question, actually. A lot. The usual problem is were they the best that year? GOOP was at her best in SIL, but others were still better. I think because the WTF wins get so much attention, it seems like its always the wrong winner. I'd say... Brando (either win could arguably be his best), DeNiro for Raging Bull, Gwyneth Paltrow, Halle Berry and Helen Hunt(not saying much), Sissy Spacek, Sally Field (Norma Rae), Jane Fonda for Klute, Daniel Day Lewis (either), Jodie Foster (SOTL), Liz Taylor (2nd), Hillary Swank (1st), Charlize may surpass Monster but it will be tough, same with Cotillard, Diane Wiest (2nd), Liza for sure, some (not me) would say M for Sophie, definitely Mira Sorvino, some would say Cher, I'd say Julia Roberts, Jack Nicholson (Cuckoos Nest), F Murray Abraham, Jamie Foxx, Jeremy Irons, Nicholas Cage, most would say Anthony Hopkins but he's been better in other films IMO, Alec Guinness, Adrien Brody, Peter Finch, Faye Dunaway... All I know for sure is Al Pacino won for his worst at the time.

• [quote]R30 loves Forrest Gump You mean "Forrest Gump" that won Best Picture and was nominated for thirteen Academy Awards with none to Sally Field?

• Well, r29, the audience rating at rottentomatoes is 60%. I admit, that is just my opinion that it sucked (and everyone who saw it with me) but I'm reading the buzz on Les Mis and pretty much everyone who's seen it is handing Anne the Oscar. 20 out of 26 experts have called it for Anne, btw. I'm not talking out my ass. Don't believe me? Here. Click the link.

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• I think DeNiro was just as good in Taxi Driver, Bang the Drum Slowly and Mean Streets as he was in Raging Bull. If not better. Sissy? Coal Miners was good, but she was also excellent in Carrie and Missing. Halle did her best work bar none in that Dorothy Dandrige movie (even though it was made for cable) Nicholson was terrific in Last Detail and Chinatown. Cuckoo's Nest was good, but had they rewarded him in any of the years prior, he would not have gotten it for that. Dunaway in Network has always divided people. I'd say Chinatown or Bonnie and Clyde were just as good, if not better.

• That's all valid, R35. With someone like DeNiro or Nicholson no one is going to agree. I stand by Dunaway in Network. Chinatown and B&C are safe performances. Network is a one-of-a-kind funny/scary performance. Way ahead of its time, she could have walked straight out of Fox News' programming office.

• "20 out of 26 experts have called it for Anne." That means nothing as of now. I mean, really. We understand you want Anne to win, but you're getting ridiculous.

• When's it gonna be my year?

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• Hugh can take the Golden Globe since there's a separate catgegory for Comedy/Musical. I don't think "Lincoln" fits either description, at least not intentionally.

• Have people seen Hathaway's performance? I'm confused as to why she's a lock other than studio hype and what must be a crazed PR team.

• yes people have seen Hathaway's performance. Press screening have been conducted and every single report singles out her performance as extremely string, if not a lock for academy consideration

• R41 Extremely string? Does she sound like a violin?

• Picture: Lincoln (If America loses to France in the current Hollywood environment, you can shoot me in a balcony because I'm brain dead anyway.) It will be between Les Miserables and Lincoln for many of the awards, with Lincoln pulling ahead with the big awards. Director: Spielberg. They are ready to lift him to Capra and Wyler heights with three wins. Actor: They REALLY would like to give it to Jackman, but I think they're also ready to hand a third Oscar to Day-Lewis. He's non-controversial in the right ways, respected (if not liked), and plays Lincoln, for Todd's sake. If Day-Lewis and Jackman eliminate each other - possible because of largely overlapping constituencies, it will go to Sessions. Actress: Laugh if you want, but if Dench is nominated, she'll win. She's considered under-honored by far, and her having macular degeneration wins sympathy and gives the sense that they'd better do it now rather than wait. If not, probably Jennifer Lawrence. But it will smell like cunt. No way for Chastain. But watch Helen Hunt get nominated. Supporting Actor: Phillip Seymour Hopkins. He's not the type of actor to require the pic to be at its peak of appeal to voters in order to win. They'd love to give it to someone for Magic Mike, but McBongo repulses them, and they'd love to give it to someone Supporting Actress: Anne Fucking Dreamed a Dream Hathaway Original Screenplay: PT Anderson, The Master Adapted Screenplay: Lincoln Foreign Film: The Intouchables, France (Les Mis "We're sorry.") Cinematography: Miranda, Life of Pi. I don't think Editing: A real toss-up. Life of Pi, Lincoln and Les Mis are all there, and Argo is considered a great editing job but a shit film. Even Skyfall has a shot. Production Design: Yup, this will show if the Academy voters are truly sick of Peter Jackson. Both Rick Carter (Lincoln) and Eva Stewart (Les Mis) are greatly respected. Lincoln. Costume Design: Delgado for Les Mis. Among all the likely nominees, only Eiko Ishioka has an Oscar win already, and he's dead now. No, Anna Karenina won't win. Original Score: God, John Williams again? Sound Mixing: Dark Knight Rises, unless Skyfall breaks through. Song: Schönberg, Les Mis, "Suddenly" Visual Effects: Life of Pi. The rest? Oh, foo. Who cares?

• [quote]Phillip Seymour Hopkins Oh, dear.

• Hathaway and Les Mis publicists are working overtime. Even the usually accurate GoldDerby has turned into a Hathaway cheering ground.

• Jennifer Lawrence and Anne Hathaway....we older actresses are not voting for two ingenues...at least one lady winner has to be mature.

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• They won't give Bigelow another one...she just won...plus she is a girl.

• for Supporting Actor: if Di Caprio is good at all in the Tartentino movie he'll get it because it would be his 4th nom without a win otherwise I say DeNiro get his third.

• R43, you make good points about Dench, but what would she be nominated for? Best Marigold Hotel? Isn't she more likely to get a supporting actress nod for Skyfall?

• [quote]Actress: Laugh if you want, but if Dench is nominated, she'll win. Good one, and possibly correct. [quote]Press screening have been conducted and every single report singles out her performance as extremely string, if not a lock for academy consideration Press screenings are an industry PR circle jerk. If they want those free tickets to keep coming and Anne to give them an interview, they're going to say she's a lock. Yes, if her performance is extremely strong, she'll be nominated. That's usually how it works. And the other 4 women will also have extremely strong performances. I just don't believe Hollywood is hellbent on giving her an Oscar yet. She's not like Winslet with a record number of nominations in a short period or a Blanchett who deserved a "sorry, we fucked up" Oscar. I'd love to see Judi swoop in and snatch it. Plus, Les Mis is going to tank.

• Well if we're going to take the Gold derby site remotely seriously at this point, then it should be noted that Helen Hunt received the second most number of votes for the supporting actres award. Her performance seems to be gaining momentum. Then you have Sally Field. Comeback of the year at this point. With a story that every woman over forty can relate to. A much beloved film and television icon for the past forty years. Next, Amy Adams. Three time loser. In Hathaway's age range. Like Hathaway, considered one of the best actresses working today. Unlike Hathaway, she's been nominated more multiple times. How many times until she wins? In short, Anne's going to have to come with something better than a haircut and an annoying PR team for this one.

• Did I miss some shift where Hugh Jackman is some major thespian destined to win an Oscar? He's beefcake and his movies are all shit. Unless voters turn into gay men and fraus overnight, he's not winning. He'll no doubt squeal if he's nominated. They're also pushing Richard Gere for Arbitrage because he's "overdue" for a nomination. Overdue? He's basically handsome set dressing. When he shows signs of life on screen you're reminded "oh yeah, Richard Gere is in this. And present." Steve Buscemi, Donald Sutherland - they're overdue. Gere is overdue for a fucking acting class.

• Dame Judi's got a sure-fire Oscar nom next year, for "Philomena" - she plays a woman who was forced to live in a convent when she was younger and her son was taken away from her. Now, she's trying to find her adult son. I think it's a true story, too.

• Hathaway will probably say something snotty and hurt her chances. Oprah: (Brokeback cast interview) do you feel your character knew how her husband and why her husband died. Anne: Well, I think it is obvious. everybody gasps/giggles awkwardly, Oprah looks insulted.. Oprah: well I guess it was over my head Jake, Heath, Michelle: It's not obvious (something close to that)

• [quote]Helen Hunt received the second most number of votes for the supporting actres award. She is NOT well liked enough to get a second. Helen Hunt WILL NOT win two Oscars. They're not going to embarrass themselves again. She should be fucking ecstatic to get a nomination and be allowed in the ceremony after the string of shitbombs she calls "performances".

• Hathaway is a moron if she doesn't understand her performance was perfect in obscuring the truth about the death. Its absolutely her best scene ever, but apparently it was accidentally great.

• [quote]The rest? Oh, foo. Who cares? I actually think you covered all of them, R43.

• [quote]They REALLY would like to give it to Jackman OMG what is this alternate universe you live in? He is low, low A-list at best, high B most likely. He comes off as the poor man's version of an actual movie star, his movies like cheap knockoffs of big superhero franchises. If anyone wins because its time and they've made a lot of people a lot of money, it will be DiCaprio.

• [quote]Helen Hunt WILL NOT win two Oscars. I know. Who does that bitch think she is?

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• I signed a confidentiality agreement so I can't dish but Hunt is exactly what her name rhymes with....

• [uote]Did I miss some shift where Hugh Jackman is some major thespian destined to win an Oscar? Was Roberto Benigni? Was Cuba Gooding Jr? Was Forest Whitaker? Was Jaimie Foxx? He was fantastic as Ray Charles and won for THAT performnace. Not every Oscar is for Lifetime Achievement, hello John Wayne, Art Carney, Jack Palance, James Coburn, Alan Arkin, Christopher Plummer. Jackman is a Tony Award winning actor.

• R59, Swank totally deserved her first and you could make a solid argument on the second. I know its a DL joke, but she was great in both and lucked out being the right type for the right roles at the right time. Helen Hunt shouldn't have even been nominated for "As Good As It Shits". I truly think its the biggest mistake in recent Oscar history. At the most basic level - she can't even keep a consistent accent and seems to be performing for a television audience. Literally any of the other nominees would have been better. A lot of people say GOOP winning was the worst, but looking at the performance without knowledge of what a snatch she is in real life, she was excellent in SIL and the role is arguably tougher than a heavy dramatic speechifying role like Elizabeth I. Any actor knows comedy/satire is harder to pull off.

• R46 is a parody post but I agree that most Academy members aren't going to vote for both Lawrence and Hathaway in one year. I think there will be a groundswell of appreciation for one performance - if Hathaway botches the press circuit (very possible), she'll be pushed aside for Adams, otherwise watch for Chastain to take Best Actress after her undeserved loss last year.

• The tide is turning away from Hathaway and in Sally Field's favor. It will be a done deal once her interview with Oprah airs this Sunday night. Just watch...

• [quote] lot of people say GOOP winning was the worst, but looking at the performance without knowledge of what a snatch she is in real life, she was excellent in SIL and the role is arguably tougher than a heavy dramatic speechifying role like Elizabeth I I dislike GOOP a lot. But she is a very skillful performer.

• [quote]She is NOT well liked enough to get a second. Helen Hunt WILL NOT win two Oscars. They're not going to embarrass themselves again. She should be fucking ecstatic to get a nomination and be allowed in the ceremony after the string of shitbombs she calls "performances". Um they didn't embarrass themselves the first time. Do you really think that AMPAS is made up of performers that are on the upper end of film making? Most AMPAS choices are populist choices and Hunt winning was one of them. Nobody is pushing Richard Gere at this point either. His movie got some nice reviews but it came and went. Dench isn't going to win this year and probably won't get nominated. Yes she has macular degeneration, but doesn't plan to retire. Amy Adams won't win, she will make in the final 5 but while she's fine, the movie is Phoenix and Hoffman's. [quote]Did I miss some shift where Hugh Jackman is some major thespian destined to win an Oscar? He's beefcake and his movies are all shit. Unless voters turn into gay men and fraus overnight, he's not winning. He'll no doubt squeal if he's nominated. Good lord you sound like a hysterical homophobe. Do you know how many people who weren't "major thespians" have won Oscars?

• oh year r64!!! Thanks for the reminder!!! Sally back on Sunday!!!!

• [quote]Laugh if you want, but if Dench is nominated, she'll win. She's considered under-honored by far, and her having macular degeneration wins sympathy and gives the sense that they'd better do it now rather than wait. Not implausible at all. And the movie is making buckets of money, which doesn't hurt. And she's very good in it.

• Deb is a major thespian

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• r59 - I agree that HS deserved the first. I have never been able to watch the other movie. You say Helen Hunt should not even have been nominated. She was not only nominated but she won. Maybe others see something in her performance that you are unable or unwilling to see. I love the movie. It's not the best movie ever made but it makes me feel good. Dame Judi may have given a better performance. I like "Mrs. Brown" too. Neither performance blew me away though. HH was just as deserving as Dame Judi.

• [quote]She was not only nominated but she won. Maybe others see something in her performance that you are unable or unwilling to see. The movie was a hit from James L Brooks and Nicholson made her look good. She'd also come off a zillion Emmy wins for the show no one actually watched, so I think the idea was it was the first of many great roles, not a turd signaling future horrors. That old guy from E! is also terrible, like he thought he was doing a dinner theater show of Boys in the Band.

• I thought Helena Bonham Carter was the best of the nominees that year, but she was lucky just to be nominated for Wings of the Dove. Alison Elliot was also wonderful and better than the actual supporting actress winner Kim Basinger, now THAT is an undeserving/underwhelming performance. Chastain is not getting the kind of raves that Lawrence got. Critics are loving the film but it seems like her character is more subtle, or not as baity as many people thought. The Hunger Games will also be a plus for Lawrence: The people/critics loved her Katniss and the film was a major hit.

• [quote]Was Roberto Benigni? Was Cuba Gooding Jr? Was Forest Whitaker? Was Jaimie Foxx? Benigni was a big star in Italy at the time (its in Europe, where they also make movies). Cuba was excellent in Boys in the Hood. Forest Whitaker? Really? Do you know anything about actors? IMDB him you idiot, he's been working since the Reagan era. Jamie Foxx had showed a lot of promise. If those are the only examples you have, then they're exceptions that prove the rule. Interesting that one is a foreigner and the other three are black. I'm sure that's a coincidence. You don't have to be a thespian, it just seems like suddenly its common knowledge that Hugh Jackman is in the company of Day lewis, Phillip Seymour Hoffman and other actors who do challenging work instead of boxing robots and wearing long nails and fake fur between workouts and steroid injections.

• Its also the 50th year of Bond so the studio could market her as a symbolic victory. She was fabulous, so why not.

• More on Oscar. . .

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• [quote]The tide is turning away from Hathaway and in Sally Field's favor. Sweety, "Les Miserable" hasn't even opened for the unwashed masses to see. Wait six weeks and get back to us.

• straight male academy members will not love Les MIZ

• Just who is Hathaway's publicist - Stephen Huvane isn't it? Would explain a lot. He can't rein anyone in. Look how silly Jen Aniston and Goopy looks half the time. I think Kevin Huvane is her agent isn't he?

• Who was asking for a movie of Les Mis? Who is the audience they're expecting? Old fraus who were at the opening of the musical 30 years ago? They stopped going to movies once Patrick Swayze stopped working. It looks dank and sad with some skinny boy crying and singing and that asshole who was in Gladiator and used to be big stuff. And Sasha Fucking Baron Cohen, who must have made a pact with Satan or has incriminating photos of Harvey Weinstein.

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• Well, begging worked for Kate Winslet and didn't hurt Melissa Leo. If I was an actor, I'd want that thing as soon as possible and keep a photo of Glenn Close in my dressing room. But there are ways to do it without the public being aware of it.

• [quote]straight male academy members will not love Les MIZ Neither of them?

• The costume and art direction branches aren't strong enough in numbers to push Les Mis over the top.

• Picture - Les Miserable Director - Steven Spielberg Actor - Hugh Jackman Actress - Jennifer Lawrence Supporting Actor - Leo DiCaprio Supporting Actress - Anne Hathaway Sorry bitches, but Les Mez and Anne Hathaway are a lock to win!

• [quote]The tide is turning away from Hathaway and in Sally Field's favor. It will be a done deal once her interview with Oprah airs this Sunday night. Just watch... Anne is winning the Oscar, so get over it!

• She will win it posthumously.

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• Sally Field, bang, that's it. And DDL. And Kushner. And Kathryn Bigelow. And That dreadful musical for Best Picture, because it's going to make a zillion dollars. And it'll be a festival once again of white people congratulating themselves.

• The Master was such crap. And old news. It is not going to win anything.

• Best Picture-Les Miserables Best Director-Steven Spielberg Best Actor-Hugh Jackman Best Actress-Jessica Chastain Best Suppprting Actor-Eddie Redmayne Best Supporting Actress-Anne Hathaway

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• [quote] And it'll be a festival once again of white people congratulating themselves. lord r87 you got supporting actress and president of the united states....how much more do YOU PEOPLE need?

• R90, Best Actress, Racist Troll @ R90, because all nine of the individuals who have been nominated in that category once have never been nominated specifically in that race a second time. 1954: Dorothy Dandridge, "Carmen Jones" (lost to Grace Kelly, "The Country Girl") 1972: Diana Ross, "Lady Sings the Blues" and Cicely Tyson, "Sounder" (lost to Liza Minnelli, "Cabaret") 1974: Diahann Carroll, "Claudine" (lost to Ellen Burstyn, "Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore") 1985: Whoopi Goldberg, "The Color Purple" (lost to Geraldine Page, "The Trip to Bountiful") 1993: Angela Bassett, "What's Love Got to Do With It" (lost to Holly Hunter, "The Piano") 2001: Halle Berry, "Monster's Ball" (won; she beat Judi Dench, "Iris"; Nicole Kidman, "Moulin Rouge"; Sissy Spacek, "In the Bedroom"; Renee Zellweger, "Bridget Jones' Diary") 2009: Gabourey Sidibe, "Precious: Based on the Novel 'Push' by Sapphire" (lost to Sandra Bullock, "The Blind Side") 2011: Viola Davis, "The Help" (lost to Meryl Streep, "The Iron Lady")

• [quote]every single report singles out her performance as extremely string, "extremely string"? If by that you mean thin and flimsy, I'd say that's a fair assessment.

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• r32, Paltrow won for her best performance? For Shakespeare in Love? Are you on crack?

• Which exactly would be the better among her performances, r93? You're hardly talking about an embarrassment of riches among them... she's not a terribly gifted actress.

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• She's not my favorite actress either but she sucked in Shakespeare in Love (an otherwise enjoyable movie). And, yes, indeed she has given other bad performances. But she was terrific in Flesh and Bone, very good in Sylvia, and good in in Proof, The Talented Mr. Ripley, Running with Scissors, Moonlight and Valentino and Seven. Now many of these are not oscar-bait performances, but she was still good in them. She wasn't good in Shakespeare in Love.

• Good god r95 my eyes - Affleck for director? Never gonna happen.

• I really think best actress will go to Sally Field. Everyone is saying Jennifer has it, but now doesn't seem like her time just yet. Plus silver linings looks boring as fuck

• r91, I think r90 was being satirical. r90, by the way, I'm a white guy who's tired of the unbearable whiteness of the American film industry. And whoever it was who said ARGO's winning anything is dreaming.

• [quote]1972: Diana Ross, "Lady Sings the Blues" What were you going to nominate Diane for for the second time??? Mahogany? The Wiz??? You are so full of bullshit it's coming out of your ears and nose.

• Check out the big oscar prediction sites, r95. He's favored to win in many of them. His main competition are Spielberg, who has already won twice, Hooper, who won two years ago, Bigelow, who won four years ago for a modern war movie (the same genre she's represented by this year) and Russell (whose movie is not nearly as acclaimed as Affleck's).

• r98 Field's performance is supporting, not lead. She might win but Hathaway seems to have the momentum right now.

• MTV is already picking Anne Hathawy to win the Oscar.

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• Actually, r103, they are not picking her to win, they said that she is lock for a nomination and could well win. Those are two very different things.

• R100, Re-read what R90 wrote. Then you should be able to understand my response.

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• but none of those women ever gave another good performance r91....Viola probably will but the others never did. and as has been discussed THE NAACP pretty much forbade the Academy from rewarding what they thought were racist portrayals in the Color Purple

• The "Helen Cunt" rumors are old news. I'd like to hear examples, though. I totally believe it, she gives off a cunt vibe, but is still like to hear stories, for the sheer schadenfreude of it.

• Picture: Les Mis Director: Tom Hooper Actor: Daniel Day-Lewis Actress: Jennifer Lawrence Supp. Actor: Tommy Lee Jones Supp. Actress: Anne Hathaway Original Screenplay: Zero Dark Thirty Adapted Screenplay: Lincoln

• Mark my words. Denzel and Quvenzhane Wallis will win Best Actor and Best Actress this year. They deserve to. Case closed.

• Why r109 because they are black?

• No. Because they gave the best performances of all the actors this year.

• What about supporting r111...who do you like there?

• Is Lincoln definitely going to be in adapted screenplay? It's only partially based on the book Spielberg bought the rights to. It was used by the first screenwriter who produced a script spanning the entirety of Lincoln's presidency.

• Dwight Henry for Best Supporting Actor. Best Supporting Actress, Sally Field maybe?

• I think it's marvelous that this year will be a horse race. So tired of sitting down to watch knowing ahead of time who exactly is going to win. With Seth MacFarlane hosting, I expect him to be fnny BUT classy, it should be a great show.

• Phillip Seymour Hoffman is the best actor of our time, lead or supporting.

• I'm TIRED of Phillip Seymour Hoffman already.

• Yes, someone please put that pasty grub back under the rock they found him under.

• [quote]Is Lincoln definitely going to be in adapted screenplay? Probably. The script does an amazing job of making clear and entertaining the muddled business of how politics works in terms of getting votes. I expected it to be a biopic but its really a movie about politics.

• They start out as horse races and end up with spoonfed AMPAS members generally voting the common wisdom in a months long borefest.

• Most AMPAS members are incapable of independent thought; hence the dearth of good movies.

• [quote]Have people seen Hathaway's performance? I'm confused as to why she's a lock other than studio hype and what must be a crazed PR team. I think your right about the film as a whole since the reviews aren't even in yet. However of the comments I have seen so far that aren't just Les Miz enthusiasts that will love it no matter what, everyone agrees she the most outstanding thing about it. That doesn't mean she is better than Sally, I think some people are just picking sides based on personal likes and dislikes. Django hasn't been released yet so we don't know of there's a great supporting actress there. But on this board everyone is just writing off Denzel and Joaquin in favor of DDL and Hugh who does not seem be getting the raves even in buzz like DDL and JP did.

• John Goodmann in Argo WILL WIN.

• [quote]Is Lincoln definitely going to be in adapted screenplay? It's only partially based on the book Spielberg bought the rights to. There is no Best Partially Adapted Screenplay category and seeing there is some of Spielberg's book in there, it can't be an Original Screenplay quote]I think your right about the film as a whole since the reviews aren't even in yet. What do reviews have to do with it? Critics don't nominate Academy Awards, the members do. Plenty of films and performances have been nominated and won without the critic help. And the film was screened in NY and LA last week multiple times for Academy members and the "buzz" was fantastic.

• Well you may be right but it's hard to say because people who didn't like it or were just so-so may not be as inspired to post their thoughts. There seemed to have been a lot of screenings. It's also weird that critics have to hold off publishing reviews. Wouldn't good reviews create even more buzz? There aren't any restrictions like that on 0-Dark-30 for instance.

• 2 Words: Les Miserables

• Are any of you paying attention? Have you SEEN a movie?

• Any buzz for Brad Pitt in "Killing Them Softly"?

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• Jessica Chastain will win Best Actress, because most of the Academy's members are straight white guys over age 50, and she's who they want to fuck/degrade/splatter her face with gism from their tiny dicks. You know, and they have already dealt with their mommy issues by giving Oscars to Helen Mirren and Meryl Streep, so now they can go back to rewarding hot babes who are young enough to be their daughters' Bennington roommates. Then out of guilt - their sinful urges! - they will give Supporting Actress to Sally Field, because if she were a man she wouldn't have been stuck doing *television* all this time, and there are only two leading film parts a year for women over age 60, and it's been so long since Sally got her 2nd Oscar that everyone has forgotten. And she was nice to her gay son at that stupid GLAAD dinner, and straight people don't know enough to realize that GLAAD is an icky festival of homosexual self-abasement and pandering to (mostly) washed up C List straight TV stars; and they will think that if they're nice to Sally, GLAAD won't come down on them so hard the next time one of them hetero-producer-writer-types wants to put a stereotypically insipid little hump-happy Streisand-worshipping leather queen in eyeliner in their action film. Best Director will be Kathryn Bigelow because they wish they had her balls. Chastain will just beat out Streisand, by the way, and those Hollywood men love to humiliate Streisand. Best Actor will be DDL, though Brad Pitt and Denzel will give him a good run. Supporting Actor: If they can't find a token black guy, they'll give it to the token fat guy, John Goodman. Kushner will get adapted screenplay, and the homos will weep with pleasure, and he will talk about democracy in his acceptance speech as if he has ever in fact had profound thoughts about it. And he will say how much he loves his husband, and that will be the sound bite that gets repeated all over the airwaves for days, especially if the Supreme Court does or does not approve gay marriage. Original screenplay? Does ARGO qualify? Or Bigelow's film? Ratings will fall even lower than ever.

• Why can't you queens keep up?

• The Academy is ready to give the Oscar to a musical, and "Les Miserables" is a sure bet. Anne Hathaway will get the Oscar, no way will she lose.

• [quote]Best Director will be Kathryn Bigelow because they wish they had her balls. She's not going to win again for another war movie, Bigelow will not get the nomination. Les Miserables has the Oscars wrapped up, and deservingly so.

• Tom Hooper already has an Oscar. Okay, Bigelow already has one, too, but her "already" is longer-ago than his. Watch the DGA give Bigelow its big prize. It'll happen. And where the DGA goes, Oscars follow. You don't want Bigelow to win because you'd rather watch a movie where a pretty vulnerable white girl cries while she cuts off all her pretty hair. It's disgusting how much you all enjoy the humiliation of women.

• R128, reviews have been glowing for Pitt (less so for the film itself) but not enough to warrant a nomination.

• Les Miserables is a great film, and Anne was wonderful in it.

• [quote]You don't have to be a thespian, it just seems like suddenly its common knowledge that Hugh Jackman is in the company of Day lewis, Phillip Seymour Hoffman and other actors who do challenging work instead of boxing robots and wearing long nails and fake fur between workouts and steroid injections. I kind of love you R73.

• Someone should tell R 133 that Fantine is not the main character in the story & she's only in the beginning. No R127 most people here haven't seen Miz or Zero.

• It'll be really hard for them not to give a prize to Brad Pitt, because he's been nominated a lot, lately, and there's a general sense that he's what Tom Cruise would be in TC weren't completely motherfucking insane. Pitt is the anti-DDL, and they represent opposite types of screen acting. The DDL type usually gets the prize, but if they want to give a second Oscar to John Wayne, they'll pick Pitt.

• [quote]Okay, Bigelow already has one, too, but her "already" is longer-ago than his. Watch the DGA give Bigelow its big prize. It'll happen. And where the DGA goes, Oscars follow. Interesting you bring up the DGA. I know the AMPAS members as a body tend to be sheep, but I'd be interested to see how the DGA vote goes. Already there's been a consensus that Bigelow directed the shit out of ZDT while some have complained that Hooper's mise en scene tend to be well, not good, but the movie succeeds in spite of that. I doubt either one of them would win again so soon. If I was betting, I'd put money down on Spielberg. Love him or hate him he's an American film institution. Yes he's already got two (for ET and Schindler's List), but that last one was almost 20 years ago.

• R138, Pitt isn't getting nominated this year. For what? That Roberta Flak movie is in terms of Oscars, (and possibly box office) DOA.

• People are really kind of bored by LINCOLN, truth be told. If there's credit to hand out, it'll go to Kushner and DDL. Sally Field will get her award for being America's New Good Mother, not for her performance in the film, which is really no big deal. Me, I'd give the prize to Tarantino, no matter what he directs - no matter if he doesn't direct anything! - because he totally should have an Oscar by now.

• Yeah, okay, R141, you have a point about Tarantino, but I don't think he's in the conversation right now because no one has seen Django yet. It and Lincoln might be a fun double feature.

• Pitt for KILLING THEM SOFTLY. Pitt has 3 acting nominations: 1 Supporting, 2 Lead. The Lead nominations were in 2008 and 2011. In 2011, he starred in 2 films that got critical notice: MONEYBALL and TREE OF LIFE. His reviews for TREE OF LIFE in particular were really strong, though he was nominated for MONEYBALL. I think he'll get another nomination this year, and then on his 5th or 6th nomination, he'll win. He'll take the Jeff Bridges route: Final Late Recognition.

• DJANGO/LINCOLN! Like MARAT/SADE!

• You people fawning over Anne Hathaway are hilarious with your "expert" summations. The Oscars are a big fucking joke and nothing but a popularity contest. I really, really like Sally.

• DL is full of woman-haters, and the women they prefer to like are boring little white girls or sweet sweet moms: Hathaway and Field. Women who actually live in the world are too much for these DL silly-billys.

• Tarantino does have an Oscar, you dipshit. Everyone I know plans to see Lincoln and Argo at some point before the Oscars. No one has mentioned Les Mis, even to acknowledge it exists and will soon be in theaters. There is no audience for it.

• Ah, yes. No one r147 knows has mentioned Les Miz, therefore, there's no audience for it. The fact that all the trades and mainstream press are mentioning it - a lot - is meaningless because r147's friends aren't interested. And they're such devout cineastes that they "have plans to see Lincoln and Argo at some point before the Oscars." Yes, those are true moviegoers.

• R146, the fact that we loathe idiot cunts like you (whatever your nasty parts) does not mean we don't appreciate the non-simps in the acting profession. Maggie Smith, Judi Dench, Helen Mirren, actresses who are younger who have a backbone - where the hell do you get off thinking you can speak about gay women-haters who only love little girls and moms? You reeking ass - you've never heard of Bette Davis and Joan Crawford and the gay contingent that sustains their legacy? Idiot.

• Best Picture: Les Miserables Best Actor: Hugh Jackman Best Actress: Jennifer Lawrence Best Supporting Actor: Russell Crowe Best Supporting Actress: Anne Hathawy Best Director: Tom Hopper

• Tarantino doesn't have a Best Director Oscar, you huffmeister upthread. And he needs one.

• [quote]And he needs one. Why? He's a complete hack.

• Do Oscar winners ever masturbate with their statues?

• [quote]DL is full of woman-haters, and the women they prefer to like are boring little white girls or sweet sweet moms: Hathaway and Field. Women who actually live in the world are too much for these DL silly-billys. such as.... who should we like?

• Well, r152, de gustibus non disputandum, but I liked INGLORIOUS BASTERDS better than any other film that year. A gorgeous piece of movie-making. Tarantino is the opposite of a hack. Nora *Ephron* was a hack, may she RIP. Tarantino is an artist, as far as I'm concerned, even though some of his films don't work.

• [quote]DL is full of woman-haters, and the women they prefer to like are boring little white girls or sweet sweet moms: This

• That thought deserves its own thread, r153.

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• Sorry, it's Annie's. I NEVER lose the office pool.

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• I think some of you lie in bed at night sobbing into your pillow "Les Miz CAN'T win the Oscar. It just CAN'T!!!"

• [quote]DL is full of woman-haters, and the women they prefer to like are boring little white girls or sweet sweet moms This is the most idiotic comment ever made on DL. You're projecting your own feeling dear

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• r160, do you not READ DL threads? Read them, dear. They are organized around hatred of women. DLers are not too threatened by drippy little white girls, and they sometimes want to be suckled by insipid moms. But powerful independent women - Madonna, Hillary, Patti LuPone - women who see what they want and take it - and "seeing what you want and taking it" is seemingly the sexual approach (wishful thinking?) of most gay-guy DL posters - ; women who take what they want are almost universally reviled, here. And of course black women are beneath DL's contempt, as are all black people. DL thinks blacks and Latinos are useful only if they have dicks - big dicks, that is, though DLers subscribe to the racist misconception, of course, that there is such a thing as "black dick," and that it is always succulent and huge and aimed happily into somebody's little lily white mouth.

• [quote]Pitt for KILLING THEM SOFTLY. Pitt has 3 acting nominations: 1 Supporting, 2 Lead. The Lead nominations were in 2008 and 2011. In 2011, he starred in 2 films that got critical notice: MONEYBALL and TREE OF LIFE. His reviews for TREE OF LIFE in particular were really strong, though he was nominated for MONEYBALL. I think he'll get another nomination this year, and then on his 5th or 6th nomination, he'll win. He'll take the Jeff Bridges route: Final Late Recognition. The film came out to mixed reviews and flopped at the box office. No nomination for Pitt.

• [quote]But powerful independent women - Madonna, Hillary, Patti LuPone - women who see what they want and take it but none of them were in a movie this year so.....we are kind of left with Hathaway and Field when discussing Best Supporting Actress and Lupone is powerful and independent like Hillary and Madonna? No.

• You queers can't let yourselves be called out, can you? Go on hating women, go on killing yourselves.

• [quote]You queers can't let yourselves be called out, can you? LOL.... Not by clueless, trolling morons. [quote]Go on hating women, go on killing yourselves. Dear heart, those two sentences have nothing to do with one another. But then, you already know that and you're just here to troll.

• Misogyny is the root cause of homophobia.. Is my point.

• As long as Sally Field doesn't win anything. Which, of course, she won't. I think people are underestimating DeNiro's "comeback" in The Silver Lining Playbook. The Academy will be pleased he's putting some effort into his acting again. Watch him beat PSH for best supporting. The best female performance this year, far and away, was by Emmanuelle Riva in Amour. Sadly, I don't think she will win. Oh, and Meryl gave one of the strongest, most underrated performances of the year, in Hope Springs, naturally. No, she won't be nominated - that's because she just won, and is going to win again in 2014. The Academy is giving her a well-deserved break. That's all.

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• I see r166, then according to your r161 post, having the good taste to know that Madonna can't sing or act her way out of a wet paper bag, is also at the root of homophobia.

• Streep was awful in "Hope Springs." One of the rare times she hasn't been able to elevate a lousy script. She's had her share of stinkers, but she's usually able to ac her way around the script. This time she couldn't. It was the only time I've been embarrassed for Streep - that she would accept such a rotten project.

• And Streep won't win in 2014. Judi Dench in Philomena will. Her macular degeneration trumps anything Meryl will bring to the table. It'll be a few more years before they give Streep a fourth (if indeed they ever do.)

• "It'll be a few more years before they give Streep a fourth (if indeed they ever do.)" The Streep doubters kept repeating that same line ad nauseam last year ("if indeed they ever give her a third one"), and look what happened. Silly fools! Streep was all kinds of wonderful in Hope Springs. Check out the reviews on rottentomatoes! The thing with Streep is: she keeps being so radically different from film to film that we've come to expect it, and no longer notice that side of her genius. NO female actor except perhaps Tilda Swinton keeps challenging herself that much with disparate roles, every single time. She could be the female Pacino/Hoffman/Nicholson, legends who've given up on acting a long time ago. Instead of resting on her laurels, she seeks out roles that will show a new side to her acting. Not only did Meryl deliver very subtle work in Hope Springs, but she inspired Tommy Lee Jones to depart from his usual acting style as well. Hard work! She was great, great, great in Hope Springs. And she WILL rule with Osage County - and WIN! As she should do.

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• Dude, I love Meryl as much as anybody does, but she was all wrong for HOPE SPRINGS, and it was an awful awful film. It was a part for like Imelda Staunton or maybe Kathy Bates, not Meryl. And there was NO WAY to believe she'd ever be so drippy and meek, especially after she had just played the 20th century's maybe most powerful woman, and been repeatedly and publicly anointed the 21st century's greatest actress. She cannot do insipid.

• Tarantino is a dreadful director. "Inglorious Bastards" was garbage, and no one in 10 years will care what Tarantino does. The guy is a hack who grinds out kitsch that middlebrows think is art (when they themselves would not know art if it bit them on the balls). "Les Miserables" is a snore, but unfortunately there are enough lowbrows and middlebrows who will enjoy it. "Lincoln" is a great film, but "Amour" is greater. The former will win for Best Picture, the latter for Best Foreign Film.

• Hope Springs was just one of those movies I do for the money....(all my housewife movies fall into that category) after all my husband hasn't had a job since 1977 and Mamie was just cancelled...you try supporting 4 artist kids and an artist husband on quality independent films....you need to cash a check once in a while.

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• r172, she had played Julia Child before Margaret Thatcher. That's like saying she cannot play Thatcher, because no-one would believe that after her convincing Julia Child. Needless to say, she was perfect as the mousy housewife. She is neither Thatcher nor housewife in real life; she doesn't have to be to pull off these characters. Your point makes no sense, while Meryl has added another great performance to her resume. Next!

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• M, you should know that your husband is an accomplished artist in his own field. I doubt he makes zero money.

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• Streep Loon just went on a rampage killing this thread. Jesus, she strikes hard and she strikes fast.

• The Streep troll is no more opinionated than anyone else here, people just go after anyone who identifies themselves with a name. I like watching movie buffs pontificate. I've barely participated in this thread, but I've enjoyed reading it.

• [quote] I think some of you lie in bed at night sobbing into your pillow "Les Miz MUST win the Oscar. It MUST!!!" Fixed that for you.

• [quote]"Les Miserables" is a snore, but unfortunately there are enough lowbrows and middlebrows who will enjoy it. Les Miserables is going clean up at the Oscars, so except it already!

• [quote]You people fawning over Anne Hathaway are hilarious with your "expert" summations. The Oscars are a big fucking joke WTF? Anne was brilliant, and deserves the Oscar.

• After seeing the clips they recently released, there's no way "Les Miz" is going go "clean up at the Oscars." It would have to be a big box office hit, but I don't see it being that. There is no audience for this outside of theater geeks and "Les Miz" fans. I predict it will open big (2nd or 3rd, but not 1st) due to a big fan base and curiosity, but bad word of mouth will kill it. Nobody's gonna wanna spend 2.5 hours in a sung-through musical, especially when the voices are terrible and the orchestra weak.

• R166, is misogyny the root of homophobia even if you're a total top?

• Please, another Oscar for my beloved Daniel Day-Lewis.

• [quote] And of course black women are beneath DL's contempt, as are all black people. DL thinks blacks and Latinos are useful only if they have dicks - big dicks, that is, though DLers subscribe to the racist misconception, of course, that there is such a thing as "black dick," and that it is always succulent and huge and aimed happily into somebody's little lily white mouth. This.

• [quote]And of course black women are beneath DL's contempt, as are all black people. DL thinks blacks and Latinos are useful only if they have dicks - big dicks, that is, though DLers subscribe to the racist misconception, of course, that there is such a thing as "black dick," and that it is always succulent and huge and aimed happily into somebody's little lily white mouth. I wouldn't say that is a DL thing...I'd say it is a world thing.

• Well the Most Beautiful Women threads here are pretty contemptible with their lack of black women listed. And Whitney Houston used as a token in every 4th or 5th post doesn't change that. Also, you'll see dozens of threads about even the most obscure, has-been, white pop singers, while far more successfully black artists are all but ignored. Elizabeth Daily is a good example. She was a failed 80s pop singer who only had one charting single, and it only made it #70, yet every year like clockwork there's another thread started about her.

• Best Actress - Meryl Streep, Hope Springs Best Actor - Meryl Streep as Tommy Lee Jones in Hope Springs Best Supporting Actress - Meryl Streep for a recent re-broadcast of Kramer vs. Kramer Best Supporting Actor - Whoever Meryl Streep decides is worthy

• R173, INGLORIOUS BASTERDS, say what you like about it, was made by a filmmaker, not a hack. Tarantino is an artist of the medium, and he is in command of every aspect of his films, from writing to casting to directing actors to planning shots to discussing lighting and camera angles with his DP to editing to scoring. Along with the Coen Bros and PTA and Scorcese and Kathryn Bigelow and Spike Lee, he is one of the complete artists of contemporary US Cinema. Which is not to say their movies always work. But they are artworks. And whoever thinks DL is not soecifically and excessively and peculiarly racist and woman-hating and vexed by a rash of self-loathing homophobia and contempt for girliness cannot read. DL posters believe in an abstract notion of the black man. They have never met anyone black, apparently, and so they can continue to cling to their fantasy of Mandingo: The Black Man, not an individual but an abstraction, whose giant penis is at the constant service of pathetic white men with lubed assholes and sticky fingers and their kaftans thrust aside to reveal their winking and prolapsed, hungry bossy anis.

• I did mean anus, not anis.

• so what r187??? We like white people better because we are white people same as you like black people better because you are one apparently..Stop trying to get the white man's love.

• I like black, white, any colour, the important thing is that they are men.

• This is why we can't have nice Oscar threads.

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• [quote]After seeing the clips they recently released, there's no way "Les Miz" is going go "clean up at the Oscars." It would have to be a big box office hit, but I don't see it being that. There is no audience for this outside of theater geeks and "Les Miz" fans. I predict it will open big (2nd or 3rd, but not 1st) due to a big fan base and curiosity, but bad word of mouth will kill it. Nobody's gonna wanna spend 2.5 hours in a sung-through musical, especially when the voices are terrible and the orchestra weak. Wow, you're judging an entire film based on less than five minutes of footage? A weak orchestra? If you come out of your little world, maybe you will find that the sound on a YouTube video might be slightly different than a movie theater. Yeah it will bomb, even with as you say "a big fan base" OK. Dude we get it, you don't like it, imagine if you actually saw it. Sit and wait for your "Follies" or "Company" movie. But Les Mis is a smash hit all around the world and people will see the film. Oh and for the record it doesn't have to be a box office hit to win the Oscar. Most films that win are not the biggest hits of the year. They make more money after the award than before.

• Well, Tarantino is a hack. And R189's overwrought and melodramatically silly post proves it in spades: only delusional folks can see the "artistry" in his crappy films.

• "Les Miserables is going clean up at the Oscars, so except it already!" Except (oh dear!) it won't.

• HOPE SPRINGS is garbage. Streep has had two great movies within the last twelve years, PRADA and DOUBT. Field should have gotten Streep's part in AUGUST. She's already acted alongside Roberts once, and they both worked well together. I hope that Sally starts getting more big screen work. Meryl has had her few years of being the only one, but it's really time to let other women her age shine.

• R191 is a completely ignorant idiot who is completely unaware of just how ignorant he is. Amusing in a sad way.

• Les Mis and Zero Dark Thirty are the game changers:

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• Best Picture CURRENT PREDIX: Amour; Argo; Beasts of the Southern Wild; Les Miserables; Life of Pi; Lincoln; Silver Linings Playbook; Zero Dark Thirty Best Director CURRENT PREDIX: Ben Affleck (Argo); Kathryn Bigelow (Zero Dark Thirty); Tom Hooper (Les Miserables); Ang Lee (Life of Pi); Steven Spielberg (Lincoln) From the above link, for the lazy.

• r199, Meryl is who she is because of her talent, not because she is 'hogging' roles. If Sally Field was as talented, she would have a quarter Meryl's filmography, or Jessica Lange's career, at the very least. As it is, Sally Field is so wildly overrated that even the Academy has come to its senses. They refused to nominate her for Forrest Gump (runaway hit of the year), or Steel Magnolias, or the atrocious Not Without My Daughter. She almost didn't get the part in Lincoln - for a reason. The woman got very far on very little. Stop defying the unworthy, and concentrate on Glenn Close or Sigourney Weaver instead.

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• ^^ deifying, not defying.

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• And yet Sally is two for two in terms of oscars. The same number of best actress oscars Streep has. And BTW, if Meryl should win another oscar next year (which is completely unlikely) it will still not put her ahead of Katharine Hepburn, who holds the record of four Best Actress oscars. A record that is unlikely to be broken anytime soon. This is assuming she is even nominated for Best Actress to begin with. Good luck trying to get Roberts to take the backseat.

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• "A record that is unlikely to be broken anytime soon" See, this is where the Streep bashers lose all credibility. They were spouting how unlikely it was she would get a third Oscar - and voila, she was handed her third Oscar. Needless to say, you could see that coming a mile away. Katharine Hepburn got her fourth Oscar as an octogenarian, and Meryl is in her sixties. She keeps churning out great performances, and is clearly beloved by the Academy. A fourth AND fifth BEST ACTRESS Oscar are very likely, given that all the big roles are offered to Meryl first, a trend unlikely to abate in the next 20 years. Heads will explode, and it will be delicious to witness it. Meryl WILL make history. She will close her career with 5 competitive Oscars under her belt. KH never deserved 4 Oscars. You know it, I know it. And the Academy will right that wrong. And Sally Field... lol. Let's not even go there.

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• [quote]She will close her career with 5 competitive Oscars under her belt. What?!?!? And pass Walter Brennan? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

• "And Sally Field... lol. Let's not even go there." Oh, but we have. Sally is tied with Meryl in terms of Best Actress oscars, is she not? A fact that must really piss you off. But let's not be a coward about it. At least have the balls to say that Sally has the same number of awards. Dems da facts. So your trite opinion of her really means nothing. "A fourth AND fifth BEST ACTRESS Oscar are very likely" VERY LIKELY? Oh, my dear. When we try to present a point, we don't use words such a "very likely". Because it's fluff. A lot of things are "very likely". But until they happen, we don't know for sure. So we don't know for sure that Meryl will win another oscar. And we don't know for sure that Meryl will surpass Kate's record of FOUR, count em FOUR best actress oscars. As it stands, Kate has the record. And Meryl is two behind. I deal with facts. You deal with opinions. Guess which wins? Any other mindless drivel you need to add? I didn't think so.

• Oh, r208. Still bitter that Meryl WON this year. Yes, she won, and she also received one of the loudest and longest standing ovations in recent memory. Yes, that made you angry. You wish all this hadn't happened. Good! Sally Field ?? Bwahahaha.... Meryl has got THREE Oscars, one of which is for supporting - so she's easily above Sally Field, even by your pedestrian little sense of logic. Last time I checked, Sally hasn't got a supporting Oscar. Meryl also has 17 - seventeen - nominations in total. That's fifteen more than SF's two shots at the Oscar, is it not? If facts are your 'forte', you certainly haven't got much strength, darling. Please let me quote Peggy Noonan for you: "Savor!"

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• "Still bitter that Meryl WON this year." I've not said that. You're getting very emotional and sounding a little unhinged. "Yes, that made you angry. You wish all this hadn't happened. Good!" OK. My, we sound sane. "Meryl has got THREE Oscars, one of which is for supporting - so she's easily above Sally Field, even by your pedestrian little sense of logic." I agree that Meryl has three oscars, but they're still tied in terms of Best Actress oscars, are they not? It amuses me that you're skirting around that issue. That really bothers you, doesn't it? "Meryl also has 17 - seventeen - nominations in total. That's fifteen more than SF's two shots at the Oscar, is it not?" I agree that Meryl has more nominations. But Sally is two for two. Two times nominated. Two wins. Meryl has three wins in seventeen nominations. And Kate still holds the record for Best Actress oscars. These are just facts, dear. No need to get so bent out of shape over it. But it's amusing to read.

• The DL Marker here. Why is no one mentioning Tommy in "Rock of Ages". I predicted this months ago. Mark my words. Tommy will get a nomination

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• "It amuses me that you're skirting around that issue." You are skirting around the issue that Meryl is a winner of three acting Oscars, and Sally is not. "That really bothers you, doesn't it?" No, it doesn't. I've already explained why she is above Sally Field, using facts - your category of choice. This went over your head, but what else is new with you Streep bashers. "And Kate still holds the record for Best Actress oscars." That is true, but comparing them in this way (in your case: trying to belittle Streep's accomplishments) only makes sense once Streep's career is over - KH won three of her Oscars in old age. "I agree that Meryl has more nominations. But Sally is two for two. Two times nominated. Two wins. Meryl has three wins in seventeen nominations." It's charming how the Streep bashers try to suggest being nominated 14 times (and not winning) is proof of Meryl's shortcomings. Sally Field never even managed to give one of the five best performances (according to the Academy) SEVENTEEN times. Forrest Gump was nominated for each and everything - except supporting actress. How embarrassing for her! But what's more amusing is the word 'amusing' that posters like r210 throw about, to sound cool and above it. If anyone is unhinged, trying hard to conceal it, it's the Streep bashers. Meryl Streep is considered a giant of acting. Sally Field is chiefly remembered for her acceptance speech in 1985 - reduce to a running joke. Sad, but true. Yet perhaps not surprising?

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• R189 ruined his post by inexplicably including spike Lee, who made one good film 20 years ago and coasts on being loud and offended.

• OK, since M isn't in the running this year, can we please stop talking about her for two seconds?

• Technically she is in the running, r214. She starred in a movie that came out this year.

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• She's not in the running. MOVE ON.

• I saw an advanced screening of "The Guilt Trip" today and Barbra Streisand is really, really good in it. If she doesn't get an Oscar nomination, then something is wrong. She'll likely win the Golden Globe for Best Actress in a Musical/Comedy.

• r216, she is in the running, however unlikely a nomination is. MOVE ON.

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• By that logic, any actress with a film out this year is 'in the running.' What a fucking pathetic twat.

• "You are skirting around the issue that Meryl is a winner of three acting Oscars, and Sally is not." I said Meryl had three oscars in my last post. You have yet to say that Sally has the same number of best actress oscars as Meryl. Simply admit that Streep is tied with Sally Field in terms of Best actress oscars. "Sally Field never even managed to give one of the five best performances (according to the Academy) SEVENTEEN times." Sally was nominated two times, and won two times. Meryl was nominated seventeen times, and only won three times, having to wait almost twenty five years for her third. If she was the "giant of acting" that you claim she is, then she clearly would not have had to wait so long. Nominations are one thing, but remember that Susan Lucci has been nominated by the academy of television arts and sciences nineteen times. So that means that she managed to give one of the best performances of that year nineteen times. That would trump Streep's record, then. If you wait long enough for something, they will eventually give it to you. "Meryl Streep is considered a giant of acting. Sally Field is chiefly remembered for her acceptance speech in 1985 - reduce to a running joke." All opinion.

• Oh, excuse me. Streep had to wait almost THIRTY for her next win. I'm not arguing with it anymore.

• [quote]I saw an advanced screening of "The Guilt Trip" today and Barbra Streisand is really, really good in it. If she doesn't get an Oscar nomination, then something is wrong. She'll likely win the Golden Globe for Best Actress in a Musical/Comedy. Regardless of what delusional queens here think, The Academny loves Streisand, but "The Guilt Trip" is a light comedy and those are consistently overlooked.

• "All opinion." Indeed - and you clearly have a problem with the opinion that Meryl Streep is a more accomplished actor than Sally Field, more highly decorated, and more esteemed than her. By far. Many people share that opinion, which is why she received the Kennedy Center honors. Sally Field is, uh, curiously absent from big things like that. I wonder why?

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• Argo will win because it points out how bad Islam is and the Jews love that.

• "Streep had to wait almost THIRTY for her next win" You mean like Katharine Hepburn herself?

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• If the academy loved babs she'd have a directing nomination by now.

• "Argo will win because it points out how bad Islam is and the Jews love that." The only thing hateful is you. What exactly are you saying? That the Islamic Revolution in Iran was a good thing for Iran, for Islam? Argo makes it very clear what an asshole the Shah was and how complicit the U.S. was in protecting him. It's a great film and certainly not anti-Muslim.

• I don't think Affleck will get nominated for Best Director. So many great movies/great directors this season -- Spielberg, Hooper, Russell, Bigelow, Tarantino. The dance card is full and we haven't even gotten to Ang Lee, Paul Thomas Anderson, or Peter Jackson. Argo is a well-made, crowd-pleasing movie. And yes, that's damning with faint praise.

• [quote]I don't think Affleck will get nominated for Best Director Don't think.

• It's all over, bitches! Oprah's interview with the Spileberg, Day-Lewis, Field trifecta was just broadcast and Oscars are now assured for all three. The Director was inspiring and lovable as he spoke about Lincoln, his masterpiece. The Actor is not only the greatest living, but also a thoughtful and simply lovely man. And the Actress has proved why she, America's Sweetheart, has risen yet again like a phoenix from the ashes and her eloquent support of her gay son was truly breathtaking. Oprah, herself, graced this graceful film with her most powerful and convincing imprimatur. Can't wait until Oscar night!

• [quote]Regardless of what delusional queens here think, The Academny loves Streisand, Hello? Do you not remember the big scandals when she Yentl was nominated for nothing major and The Price of Tides was nominated for everything except director? they hate her. and the old guard REALLY hated her.

• Haven't seen Lincon or Les yet but I would love to see Sally win another Oscar. I'm also a Meryl fan but it would be cool if Sally got some good roles also...

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• That was 20 years ago maybe they changed their mind...

• The Streep Loon ALWAYS sounds unhinged, r221, because it is. It's admitted it only comes here to rile people up. And now - for a reason it probably doesn't even know - we know the Streep Loon is not an American. Thank God it's not a home-grown lunatic.

• [quote]She keeps churning out great performances Yes, that's correct. She churns them out, mechanically, just like buttermilk.

• Streep Troll, I adore you! And I've already Fed Exed you this week's bowel movements, so you'll be eating hearty again starting tomorrow!

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• [quote]she is in the running, however unlikely a nomination is. MOVE ON. No, she's not. She's ELIGIBLE, but she's not on any of the awards sites int the list of 8 -10 actresses who might get nominated. She won't be nominated. She undoubtedly doesn't even want to be nominated for Hope Springs. She knows everyone's sick of her, and she'd like to be fresher choice when her more worthy projects come out.

• Audiences aren't that sophisticated, R227. Argo presents crazed Islamic characters and white victims. That's as far as Americans will go, especially when Iran is seen in 2012 as THE threat to Israel.

• Oh, look, Lincoln appears to be a growing hit with word of mouth!

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• Sally Field's work in Lincoln is her best yet. I can't imagine that Hathaway no matter how good she is in Les Miz could get the Oscar over Field. Hathaway gets one of the best and most famous songs in the show but the role has nothing else that compares with the material Field has in Lincoln. Field has much more screen time than Hathaway will get unless they add lots more Fantine to the film version.

• Sally Fueld is just not that interesting in LINCOLN. I mean, she's perfectly fine. But no big deal.

• Plus Hathaway sings "the Susan Boyle song". She's tainted by reality tv trash.

• Just go see Les Mis and then see what you think Hathaway's chances are. It may be only 20 minutes of screen time, but it's overwhelming. I think Hathaway is a lock. And I say this as someone who thinks Lincoln is the best movie of the year and the best movie Spielberg has ever directed.

• Anne is going to win the Oscar for all us "Les Mez" fans!

• [quote]Hello? Do you not remember the big scandals when she Yentl was nominated for nothing major and The Price of Tides was nominated for everything except director? they hate her. and the old guard REALLY hated her. Scandal? No Dear, there was no scandal. Penny Marshall should have been nominated for "Awakenings" too, doesn't mean the Academy hates her. Bigelow was the one to make history, good for her. Hundreds of movies are released each year eligible for The Oscar. Streisand has directed three films with fourteen Academy Award nominations between them. Only at Datalounge do delusional queens think that's a bad thing and the mean old Academy hates her. There's some real damaged goods around here.

• r245...Streisand omission was the talk of the nominations both those years....I interviewed Shirley Maclaine in 83 and asked her why she felt Yentl was left out. She said that even though she and Barbra were friends she knows that Barbra ruffled a lot of feathers when she first started making films and a lot of the old guard...especially the directors branch had grudges against her. and calling everyone who disagrees with your limited remembrance of Oscar history a delusional queen is homophobic and indicates you don't belong here

• There are snubs every year. Was it mentioned, sure as it's done every year,a scandal? No, because only one woman had ever been nominated before. BUT the picture still received five Academy Award nominations, for her first effort. If you think that's a bad thing, you ARE a delusional Queen. Maclaine had five nominations before she won hers, does that mean The Academy hated her all those years before? And since when is Shirley MacLaine been a spokesperson for The Academy? I might have a "limited remembrance" of Oscar history but I seem to remember when ole Shirl ruffled some old guard feathers when got up on stage and said she "deserved this" and some thought was ungracious. The point is, the Academy doesn't hate Streisand or she wouldn't have five nominations herself and two Oscars on the mantle. Oh and I've talked to Shirley MacLaine too, and there's a reason she's an actress and not a Brain Surgeon.

• I was a brain surgeon in a past life, r247.

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• Streisand not getting nominated for YENTL was no scandal. It was of passing interest because she would have been the first female director nominated, but that's all. YENTL was a hit, but it wasn't universally loved. It got the nominations it deserved. No one would have been shocked if it had scored a picture or director nomination, but no one was shocked, either, that it didn't.

• I think it was a scandal that she wasn't nominated for "The Prince of Tides." I say that as someone who in no way worships the ground she walks on. "Bugsy"? I barely remember it.

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• It most certainly was a big scandal when YENTL wasn't nominated. It's been covered in many oscar books. Ignore the trolls. Streisand won the golden globe for best director and the movie won best musical or comedy. It wasn't projected to win the awards, but it was a frontrunner for the big nominations at the oscars. Plenty of women in Hollywood were outspoken in what they thought was blatant sexism. Shelley Winters even went so far as to call for a recount. Shirley Maclaine said it diminished her own nomination. And who could forget Mrs. Walter Matthau getting into it with Issac Singer over his comments, calling him a cranky old man?

• Well, looks like DJANGO UNCHAINED can be removed from the Oscar Equation.

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• [quote]Well, looks like DJANGO UNCHAINED can be removed from the Oscar Equation. Jeff Wells also wrote of "Django": 2 hours and 45 minutes long (and a really talky second hour that has to be experienced to be believed) He ruined "Grindhouse" too with his hour long of boring talk.

• Striesand made a lot of noise when she wasn't nominated for Prince of Tides, a glorified Lifetime movie. She really feels she was owed it and that it was sexism, not that she's a hack. John Singleton (Boyz in the Hood) and Ridley Scott (Thelma and Louise) were nominated instead but the movies were not Best Pic nominees. They deserved it, at least Ridley did, and I'd say the bigger scandal was that the director of Beauty And The Beast wasn't nominated. Her next effort, The Mirror Has Five Chins, proved she has no business behind a camera and never did.

• Also, if the Academy was sexist they must have been so in the 70s when they nominated Lina Wertmuller (1st female dir nominee) and just two years later when Jane Campion was nominated and probably came in 2nd to Spielberg.

• [quote]Striesand made a lot of noise when she wasn't nominated for Prince of Tides, a glorified Lifetime movie. She really feels she was owed it and that it was sexism, not that she's a hack. John Singleton (Boyz in the Hood) and Ridley Scott (Thelma and Louise) were nominated instead but the movies were not Best Pic nominees. They deserved it, at least Ridley did, and I'd say the bigger scandal was that the director of Beauty And The Beast wasn't nominated. Her next effort, The Mirror Has Five Chins, proved she has no business behind a camera and never did. Yeah and Ridley Scott couldn't even win when his own "Gladiator" won Best Picture. And has had six flops since. John Singleton only had one hit since his nomination in 1991, a sequel to someone ele's picture Both Directors of "Beauty & The Best" followed their Best Picture nominee with one medium bomb, "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" & one huge bomb "Atlantis: The Lost Empire" and haven't done a theatrical feature since.

• The narrative about Yentl has always been the SCANDAL of it being snubbed at the Oscars. It was a big deal at the time, specifically because so few women directors had had the chance of making "big" pictures - and Yentl was certainly that. That narrative hasn't changed, either. r247 and r249 are being willfully obtuse, or are plain dumb. N.B.: whether Streisand deserved a BD nod is a different question altogether. The point is: it was made into a big scandal at the time -- much more so than other Oscar snubs. Personally, I don't think Streisand is "best director" material, but neither is Mel Gibson or Warren Beatty. (Redford - debatable). And the Academy couldn't wait to award these two handsome, white, straight men. So... the outrage over Yentl and Prince of Tides was justified, compared with that. Sexism was at play, whether you like it or not.

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• [quote]Personally, I don't think Streisand is "best director" material, but neither is Mel Gibson or Warren Beatty. (Redford - debatable). And the Academy couldn't wait to award these two handsome, white, straight men And to Kevin Costner, who won over Martin Scorcese for "Goodfellas."

• According to talk at Paramount's Christmas party, Lincoln is the frontrunner to win the major awards on Oscar night.

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• [quote]According to talk at Paramount's Christmas party, Lincoln is the frontrunner to win the major awards on Oscar night No, it will NOT! Les Miserables will win every Oscar award, including Best Picture.

• Zero Dark Thirty will beat them both.

• As indicated in R259's link, the buzz in Hollywood is that Lincoln is the Oscar favorite right now, including Day-Lewis and Sally Field. But few have seen Les Miz yet. They're not going to give Zero Dark Thirty any Oscars after The Hurt Locker won just a couple of years ago. Streisand is wonderful in the Guilt Trip. If the movie does well, she could surprise a lot of people. The movie is a joy, too.

• [quote]Zero Dark Thirty will beat them both. Of course it will win, it was endorsed by Obama. Political films always win, but I would pick Lez Miz a close second.

• No, their not going to give an Oscar to Zero Dark Thirty after Bigelow's Hurt Locker won just 2 years ago. They're both too similar.

• I don't care whether ZDT or Les Mis or Lincoln wins, as long as Argo doesn't. Seriously, are critics and others so starved for movies aimed at adults, that there is so much love for Argo? Or is it just because Affleck directed it and they love their male actor/director combos? Slightly OT, but I've started to like the Streep Troll. In other threads he's known to be quite knowledgeable about film. Plus he's actually singled out other actresses he likes.

• Uh - and how is Lincoln NOT a political movie, r263?

• Thanks for the thumbs up, r265. I never said I only liked Streep. I came here (and stayed) to defend Streep against the foaming-at-the-mouth bashers when she was up for Julie & Julia. It's so easy to piss them off... Also, I do enjoy my DL notoriety :) In any case, "knowledgeable about film" I am. Cheers!

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• [quote]In any case, "knowledgeable about film" I am. Cheers! No you aren't. LOL! [quote]In other threads he's known to be quite knowledgeable about film LOL!

• My money is more on Lincoln now. I think there will be a few flaws in Les Mis (Crowe's singing, for one) that will make Lincoln seem the perfect picture. Plus you know how illogical and silly the Academy voters get... actually being the best picture of the year is about the greatest barrier to winning it with those morons.

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• [quote]I think there will be a few flaws in Les Mis (Crowe's singing, for one) Hathaway's singing ain't so hot either, not from what I heard in the first commercial.

• [quote]The narrative about Yentl has always been the SCANDAL of it being snubbed at the Oscars. It was a big deal at the time, specifically because so few women directors had had the chance of making "big" pictures - and Yentl was certainly that. No it wasn't Meryl Loon. OMG you are so full of shit it's coming out of your eyeballs. The 1983 Best Director nominees. Bruce Beresford – Tender Mercies Ingmar Bergman – Fanny and Alexander Mike Nichols – Silkwood Peter Yates – The Dresser James L. Brooks-Terms of Endearment Beresford was the only real suprise but Tender Mercies was nominated for 5 Oscars including Best Picture. [quote]N.B.: whether Streisand deserved a BD nod is a different question altogether. The point is: it was made into a big scandal at the time -- much more so than other Oscar snubs. No it wasn't. She won zero critics awards, didn't make the cut at DGA (the absolute best pre Oscar precursor for Best Director) and won an award for Best Director from an organization that had rewarded Pia Zadora their Best Newcomer award a year before. Lawrence Kasdan and Philip Kaufman were the two big omissions that year.

• yes it was!!! r272...the director was a long shot but the fact that Barbra didn't get a Best Actress nod was a buzzed about topic.

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• and how the hell did Amy Irving got a nomination for Supporting....she seems stoned through out the whole film...

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• For crying out loud, 1984 was not that long ago (the year Yentl was nominate-able). I remember when this nominations came out. There was no big scandal about Streisand not getting a director nomination. What WAS noteworthy was Jane Alexander (or Julie Walters) getting nominated over Streisand for Best Actress. That was the year Linda Hunt was nominated (and won) for playing a man, and there was much per-nom talk about the possibility of two female cross-dressing nominations.

• Argo only had buzz until the real contenders appeared. It's this year's Emperor Without Clothes. Affleck's win will be his nomination for Best Director. No way he's going to beat heavyweights Spielberg, Bigelow or Hooper.

• Any buzz on Naomi Watts' new film...She seems due for an award if the performance is any good.

• How did we get to the point where someone like Jennifer Lawrence is in contention for an Oscar?

• Because Jennifer Lawrence is a talented actress and is going to have a long and successful career in the business?

• If you're referring to "The Impossible", R277, I'd say she has a chance at a nomination but not a good one. It's a well-made disaster movie. And she's terrified and in pain for 2 hours. As a performance, it's good, but I think there are more interesting choices out there. But the Best Actress category is kinda sparse this year.

• r280, it's not sparse: Riva, Cotillard, Lawrence, Wallis, Watts, Knightley, Weisz, Mirren, Smith (for Quartet) all have a shot. If Streep hadn't won this year, she would be a contender too, for Hope Springs. The field is as crowded as ever.

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• No, she wouldn't have, R281. You think every performance Streep gives is automatically Oscar-worthy. But I gotta say, I admire your blind devotion.

• I agree with r281. This meme that there are few best actress contenders this year is quite flawed; actually, it was quite a significant year for leading women in film. The primary reason that many might think otherwise is that several of the year's big oscar movies - including Lincoln, Argo, Les Mis, Life of Pi - don't have leading women in them. Another reason is that at this point few have seen the potential nominees; either their films have yet to be released in the U.S., only released recently, or in Weisz's case, released very early in the year when no one was paying attention to the awards race. That doesn't change the fact that there are many highly acclaimed and or anticipated performances by women in leading roles in 2012.

• r272 is confusing the critics' discourse with the larger pop culture debate / interest surrounding the Oscars. When the biggest female star in Hollywood makes a fuss about her film not being nominated, then it DOES become part of the narrative. All this happened on the heels of the feminist movement, in the era of films like "9 to 5", where women in the working world were portrayed as victims of men -- there was a dearth of women directors, a dearth of opportunities for the few women working in film, and a dearth of BD noms for women throughout Oscar history. A time where Lina Wertmuller had gone back to her European niche, and Jane Campion and Bigelow were still nonentities. It came to a boil when the biggest female star delivered her debut film as a director, a *serious* film, only to be shut out from all major categories. It was seen as an act of SEXISM. Warren Beatty had just won, Redford had won, so why wasn't Barbra even nominated? THIS was the narrative. When Streisand was shut out for a second time (Prince of Tides), Shirley MacLaine and Liza Minnelli were presenting an Oscar during the telecast. They stopped the show, and Shirley said: "Liza, who is the director you and I *really* want to work with?", and Liza proclaimed: "BARBRA!!" -- the camera then swung to Streisand who was sitting in the audience, and everybody started clapping. The perception was: this director is unfairly treated, is underrated, was dealt a rough hand, is a victim of sexism, etc. Girls supporting their girl. And both Shirley, Liza AND the producers of the telecast assumed the audience would get the meaning of this. This is called NARRATIVE - everybody understands the context of what is going on. N.B.: whether Streisand truly deserved this narrative, and whether she is a capable director, is entirely beside the point. It's a different question. The fact is, the narrative of poor Streisand being overlooked by the Academy has existed ever since Yentl. Do keep up, everybody.

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• I like you too Streep Troll, and I love Meryl. That said, I think it would do you good, for your image understand, to list your 10 LEAST favorite Streep performances and WHY you didn't like them. This will allow people to see that you're not a loon and that you can admit when the Mighty Meryl didn't hit a homerun.

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• Yes, Streep Loon, EVERYONE is aware that Streisand FELT she was overlooked. The question is whether that is due to sexism/hatred of Babs or the MERITS of her actual films. Babs is fucking annoying because she felt entitled to a nomination. You didn't hear Lawrence Kasdan or Kaufmann bitching and moaning that they weren't nominated when Kaufmann definitely made one of the 5 best films of the year. In fact I've never heard of ANY director publicly whining that they didn't get an Oscar nomination except this ugly fucking semi-literate yenta from Brooklyn with shitty Donna Karan taste and a basement full of rotting old junk.

• Except, r284, Yentl and Prince of Tides are movies that a great many people honestly believe do not deserve an oscar nomination for their direction. When Streisand directs Seven Beauties, Swept Away, Zero Dark Thirty, Lost in Translation, The Hurt Locker, or even The Trouble with Angels and doesn't get an oscar nomination, then we can start discussing sexism as a cause.

• [quote]When the biggest female star in Hollywood makes a fuss about her film not being nominated, then it DOES become part of the narrative. Uh no it doesn't. Yentl at best got mixed reviews and no one thought that it was a serious contender for an Oscar. It comes off as sour grapes, nothing more, nothing less. [quote]All this happened on the heels of the feminist movement, in the era of films like "9 to 5", where women in the working world were portrayed as victims of men -- there was a dearth of women directors, a dearth of opportunities for the few women working in film, and a dearth of BD noms for women throughout Oscar history. You are so far up your own asshole you are shitting out of your own mouth. Nothing you wrote has any relevance about why Streisand didn't get nominated for a Best Director Oscar, nor was their any major outcry in 1984. [quote]It came to a boil when the biggest female star delivered her debut film as a director, a *serious* film, only to be shut out from all major categories. It was seen as an act of SEXISM. Warren Beatty had just won, Redford had won, so why wasn't Barbra even nominated? Probably because Beatty and Redford's films were FAR BETTER RECEIVED than Yentl was. The only boil is the one on your ass from writing that nonsense. You are going to have to do better then that, Meryl loon. [quote]The fact is, the narrative of poor Streisand being overlooked by the Academy has existed ever since Yentl. No there isn't. [quote]"Liza, who is the director you and I *really* want to work with?", and Liza proclaimed: "BARBRA!!" -- the camera then swung to Streisand who was sitting in the audience, and everybody started clapping. Yes because Shirley and Liza had such pull in Hollywood in 1992.

• To all my 'critics': you need to read more carefully, sweethearts. I never said that Streisand deserved anything, and I know she's an entitled little madam with a massive ego. Again, that is a different question altogether. I was explaining why the POP CULTURE NARRATIVE, far away from any serious critics' discourse, perceived that Streisand was SNUBBED. That was the narrative, and it remains exactly that, only with less feminist furore than in 1984.

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• Why are we discussing Meryl Streep all of a sudden? This thread turned into sh*t!

• r285, I can only give you one: The River Wild. She was trying too hard, the film is paint by numbers which doesn't help, and her performance is forced and really uninteresting. In every other role of hers I can find evidence of her genius. But not here. In any case, your whole premise is daft. If you think someone is a genius, and you admire all their work, you're not a loon. Most admirers of Mozart, Shakespeare or the Beatles think their entire work is worthy of praise, precisely because those artists possessed genius. That, in my view, is the case with Meryl Streep. Nobody would ask a fan of Shakespeare or the Beatles to 'list stuff they don't like about them', in order to prove they're not a 'loon'. Your question was sexist, whether you're aware of that or not. And the rampant DL sexism hurled at Streep is exactly why I am here, doing good troll-ish work, for the benefit of you all.

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• [quote]Why are we discussing Meryl Streep all of a sudden? This thread turned into sh*t! Because Streep Loon noticed there was a movie thread she hadn't destroyed yet and is trying to turn this into yet another of her mental illness demonstrations.

• [quote]When Streisand directs Seven Beauties, Swept Away, Zero Dark Thirty, Lost in Translation, The Hurt Locker, or even The Trouble with Angels and doesn't get an oscar nomination, then we can start discussing sexism as a cause. That's not a great argument. There's tons of male directors who do shit work and get nominated anyway. People forget that Oscars tend to be popularity contests. In any case, a better argument would be to measure Streisand's films against other actors turned directors.

• No, no, Meryl Troll!! I asked you to list you 10 least favorite Meryl performances, not performances where she was actually bad (though I'm sure they have a been a couple). Of course one can rank Mozart's work or the Beatles work. I love Blackbird but find Hold Your Hand to be too sugary. See? That wasn't hard. It doesn't take away from the overall genius of an artist to admit when they weren't firing on all cylinders. No one is always perfect, especially in regard to artistic output. I feel you lose credibility as an ardent Meryl fan because of your undying devotion to every single performance of hers (River Wild, now, notwithstanding).

• Again, the point in question is NOT whether she should have gotten a BP nom. Of course she didn't deserve one. Of course Yentl wasn't as good as Ordinary People. We were discussing narrative, though, and the narrative ALL THROUGH THE 70s AND 80s was that women directors were victims of male sexism. Along came Hollywood's biggest female star, made a serious film, a big film, and she was shut out. To less discerning people it looked like sexism, it was sold as sexism by large quarters of the mainstream media, and of course by Streisand herself. The arument above that Kaufmann made no fuss is ludicrous. The public at large had no idea who he was, and it's irrelevant what his reaction was. Streisand, the most bankable female star until the arrival of Julia Roberts, made a big fuss - and that alone creates a NARRATIVE. In this case, playing into the hands of the then potent feminist movement. Consequently, Streisand's narrative had legs. You either get that, or you don't. Next!

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• Ok, Streep Loon, you've now said the exact same thing about Yentl three times.

• Ok, r294, still a silly proposition, but I'll bite. My least favorite: Falling in Love; Evening; Still of the Night; The River Wild; Prime; Lions for Lambs; Mamma Mia; It's Complicated. I only was bored with River Wild, though. Happy now?

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• r296, there would be no need to say the same thing three times if people could read, comprehend, and compute. Evidently they can't.

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• [quote]I was explaining why the POP CULTURE NARRATIVE, far away from any serious critics' discourse, perceived that Streisand was SNUBBED. OMG you are so fucked in the head. There was no pop culture narrative that Streisand was snubbed in 1984 for Best Director. You were shitting in diapers in 1984 dear, please show us the writeups, editorials, and stories where Streisand being snubbed was an issue. [quote]And the rampant DL sexism hurled at Streep is exactly why I am here, doing good troll-ish work, for the benefit of you all. No you are here until your unemployment checks run out. [quote]Along came Hollywood's biggest female star, made a serious film, a big film, and she was shut out. A film that got mixed reviews and received multiple Razzie award nominations. [quote]Streisand, the most bankable female star until the arrival of Julia Roberts, made a big fuss - and that alone creates a NARRATIVE. Think again Meryl loon. This was 1983, not 1973. Her only 1980's movie up until Yentl was a bomb. [quote]In this case, playing into the hands of the then potent feminist movement. Consequently, Streisand's narrative had legs. Yes Andrea Dworkin, Gloria Steinem, and Germaine Greer were organizing protest marches over it. Again honey, this was 1983, not 1973. About the only "legs" it had was probably a small writeup in People Magazine. [quote] there would be no need to say the same thing three times if people could read, comprehend, and compute. More like you drowning in your own shit and going deeper and deeper. [quote]To less discerning people it looked like sexism, it was sold as sexism by large quarters of the mainstream media, and of course by Streisand herself. LOL!

• You destroy everything, Streep Loon. You come over here and turn a thread into your boring discourse about Streep and your even more boring discourse about what people in the 1980s were thinking about Streisand not being nominated for director. (I was there, and the hoopla you're imagining is fantasy.) You've completely lost whatever cachet you had because we now realize that you are, indeed, mentally ill, and that you really just want to turn every film thread into "Streep Loon" film thread, all Streep Loon all the time. You're pathetic. Can you please die now?

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• So in other words we should all shout sexism because even though Dances with Wolves was not a great movie, the Academy gave Costner and oscar but they didn't even nominate Streisand. Sorry, I can't get all that excited about taking umbrage for a woman's bad movie being snubbed while a man's bad movie was lauded. Life is too short. Rahter, I'll applaud the oscars for not nominating Streisand and scream bloody murder that they honored Costner.... over Scorsese for Goodfellas!

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• Ok, so back on topic. Is Lincoln losing momentum? Has ZDT become the frontrunner? Will Bigelow win a 2nd Oscar? Will Affleck win a first (shudder)? Will Les Miserables turn out to be a never was? Is there any chance in hell Emmanuelle Riva can win a Best Actress Oscar?

• Jesus People. Yentl wasn't a bad movie. It wasn't snubbed. It received FIVE Academy Award nominations and won one and was nominated for SIX Golden Globes and won two. Plenty of talented people don't get a nomination. Spielberg wasn't nominated for "Jaws" and it was up for Best Picture. Scorsese wasn't one of the four nominations for "Taxi Driver". Coppola wasn't nominated for Best Picture nominee "The Conversation". Careers don't end and the world keeps turning. All of them including Streisand now have Oscars on their mantles.

• What's really funny R274, is that Amy Irving got an Oscar nomination AND a Razzie nomination for the same performance!

• I still don't see them giving the Oscar to ZDT or Bigelow, although nominations now seem certain. A lot of films nearly sweep the critics awards but don't win Oscars. I'll bring up Goodfellas again, which swept critical awards, literally all of them, but wasn't "Oscar material" like Dances With Wolves was.

• ZDT, Les Mis and Lincoln are locks for nominations. If all the critics weigh in and give ZDT the Best Pic nod, well, that will dramatically up the PERCEPTION of its chances to actually win. If Les Mis loses its heat after opening - ie, critical pans, not doing the business it should - then it will be between Lincoln and ZDT, and I still think Lincoln will win. Interesting the the NBR did not include ARGO in their top ten.

• [quote]And the rampant DL sexism hurled at Streep is exactly why I am here, doing good troll-ish work, for the benefit of you all. What about the racism you hurled at Viola Davis last year, Streep Loon?

• [quote]ZDT, Les Mis and Lincoln are locks for nominations. Les Jiz isn't a lock for anything yet. The BP locks are Lincoln, ZDT and Argo so far.

• For best picture, locks are ZDT, Lincoln, Les Miz, Silver Lining Playbook, Argo. Next tier: Life of Pi. Possibles: Skyfall, Dark Knight Rises, The Master, Amour. Curveballs: Beasts of the Southern Wild, Anna Karenina, Django, The Hobbit, Moonrise Kingdom I bet they have 10 best picture nominees this year. It's a wide field.

• DDL and Sally Field Jessica Chastain DiCaprio Bigelow Les Miz Kushner You're welcome.

• Maybe not DiCrapio, r311. Early word on Django is REALLY bad.

• [quote]Yes Andrea Dworkin, Gloria Steinem, and Germaine Greer were organizing protest marches over it. Again honey, this was 1983, not 1973. About the only "legs" it had was probably a small writeup in People Magazine. Funnily enough, the Yentl snub did get a writeup in People magazine.

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• No way is Jessica Chastain going to get anywhere near Jennifer Lawrence; they'll give it to Rachel Weisz before Jessica.

• Could Sally Field be nominated in the Lead Actress category for LINCOLN instead of Supporting Actress? The year Kate Winslet won, she was being promoted as Lead Actress for Revolutionary Road and Supporting Actress for The Reader. However when the nominations were announced Winslet received only a Best Leading Actress nom, but for The Reader. That film had gotten her Best Supporting Actress honors at the Globes and SAG Awards. Could this happen to Sally also?

• No, r315. Winslet's role in The Reader really was leading, even if she wasn't THE lead. But Field's role in LINCOLN is clearly supporting.

• I liked Kate more in Revolutionary Road.

• Sally Field is good in LINCOLN, but I wouldn't give her any prizes.

• Why does R314 think the Academy hates Jessica Chastain?

• Jessica Chastin is the new it girl. They'd love to giver her aqn award.

• Thanks, r313. That article in People Magazine demonstrates exactly what I've been saying on this thread. Pop culture perception: Barbra was snubbed. The foaming-at-the-mouth loons are wrong. Quelle surprise... Oh, and I'm not going anywhere, r300. I've got my supporters on this board, and I will continue my good work! *Kisses*

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• [quote]Sally Field is good in LINCOLN, but I wouldn't give her any prizes. Why don't you like me? Oh.. God.....I'm so mad I don't know what to do!! I wanna know why! I wanna know WHY!! Oh God I wanna know WHY? WHY? Lord...I wish I could understand! No...NO...NO!! It's not supposed to happen this way! I'm supposed to WIN!! I've always been ready to win! I don't think I can take this.. I.. I don't think I can take this! I just wanna hit somethin'! I just wanna hit somebody.. till they feel as bad as I do!! I just wanna hit something! I wanna hit it HARD!

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• [quote] they'll give it to Rachel Weisz before Jessica Have you SEEN "The Deep Blue Sea"? Weisz and Simon Russell Beale are good but the whole thing is a mess (Tom Hiddleston deserves a razzie nom). Pretentious and boring beyond belief. Weisz only won the NYFCC because voters couldn't decide between Lawrence, Chastain and Riva. Given the chance they will award Lawrence, Chastain, Riva and even Wallis (all in critical acclaimed movies) over Weisz in that terrible movie.

• r323, I didn't like the movie very much either (although I wouldn't call it a mess), but the award being discussed is not best movie but best actress. There's a difference.

• I think Ewan McGregor and Naomi Watts are being overlooked. I've heard excellent reports on their performances.

• Yeah, I know r324, but Weisz in "The Deep Blue Sea" is hardly Streep in "The Iron Lady". I don't think most voters will make it to the end of the movie. The NYFCC put Weisz back on the awards season map, but it doesn't mean that she's now a lock for an Oscar nom. Saying that they will reward Weisz (an oscar winner) over Chastain in one of the most acclaimed movies of the year is just wrong.

• Chastain and Lawrence as the two budding Streeps of the future could cancel each other out, as could Cotillard and Weisz as the two beloved and gorgeous 40-ish Euro actresses vying for their second oscar, Riva and Smith could cancel each other out as grande dames, leaving the possibility of a "she may be a toddler but damn she can act" win for Wallis, or a "she's always delivered and, damn, she can act" win for Watts. My heart says Riva (the great lady, circa 1969, below), but the truth is no one knows; and let's hope it stays that way; it makes for a much more interesting and suspenseful awards season.

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• r324, I didn't say Weisz was definitely going to win the oscar, I said that the fact that the film (which is actually quite acclaimed even though you and I didn't like it) not being a hit means she won't win goes against both history and common sense. Nor does the fact that Chastain is up for a big, likely popular movie mean she will win. That doesn't always happen. And don't forget the same can be said for Lawrence, so it's not as if Chastain is the only one up for a hit.

• Did I say circa, 1969? I meant, circa 1959. God, Riva was beautiful.

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• Time's Ten greatest film performances of 2012, begins with Riva and Trintignant, and also includes McConnaughey (Killer Joe), Rachel Weisz, the Wallis kid, Tommy Lee Jones and Jennifer Lawrence. Not a bad year for movie acting especially given what's been left out.

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• I've seen 'Beast of the Southern Wild', 'Amour' and 'Rust and Bone'. All three would be worthy winners. Riva is more than brilliant in Amour, one of those performances that will be deemed an all-time great in the future when more people see the film. Trintignant also deserves recognition. I was prepared to be underwhelmed by 'Beasts' and Wallis and ended up crying like a baby. Will there be a more beautiful and tear-jerking oscar clip than: "No crying - No crying"? I doubt it. Dwight Henry should be the frontrunner for best supporting actor, but he won't even get a nomination. And Cotillard deserves an oscar just for turning a Katy Perry song into one of the best movie moments of the year. Like the men in the other two movies Schoenaerts is also getting overlooked, which is a shame.

• [quote]That article in People Magazine demonstrates exactly what I've been saying on this thread. Pop culture perception: Barbra was snubbed. A small write up in People magazine doesn't prove your point, Meryl loon. Yentl barely cracked the top 20 highest grossing films of 1983, not exactly a pop culture moment dear, nor a major moment in the women's lib movement. [quote]The foaming-at-the-mouth loons are wrong. Quelle surprise... No you were wrong again puddin. What the article proves Meryl loon was that other than Barbra and a few of her friends, no one thought she was worthy of a nomination, nor did anyone really care.

• The only thing Jessica Chastain is getting is herpes.

• Reviews are coming in for Les Miz, and they're not good. Early buzz for this movie has been way off.

• Notables not nominated for best director in the year of Yentl: Philip Kaufman THE RIGHT STUFF (oscar nominee, best picture) Eric Rohmer PAULINE AT THE BEACH Woody Allen ZELIG Brian de Palma SCARFACE Kon Ichikawa THE MAKIOKA SISTERS Bill Forsyte LOCAL HERO Paul Brickman RISKY BUSINESS (huge hit, and one would think getting a great performance from Tom Cruise the one and only time in his career would be enough to get a nod, but no) Martha Coolidge VALLEY GIRL Federico Fellini AND THE SHIP SAILS ON Robert Altman STREAMERS Andrei Tarkovsky NOSTALGHIA Martin Scorsese THE KING OF COMEDY John Sayles BABY IT'S YOU David Cronenberg THE DEAD ZONE Gregory Nava EL NORTE Even Lawrence Kasdan for the crappy but hugely successful (and oscar nominated best pic) THE BIG CHILL didn't get an oscar nomination. So I don't think Babs has a lot to complain about.

• [quote]Yeah, I know [R324], but Weisz in "The Deep Blue Sea" is hardly Streep in "The Iron Lady". I don't think most voters will make it to the end of the movie. I doubt many made it through or even watched "The Iron Lady", which is a giant piece of shit.

• R336, IRON LADY grossed $114 million ($30 million stateside) on a $15 million budget, so it was highly profitable, the giant piece of shit notwithstanding.

• Daniel Day Lewis for Lincoln Bill Murray - Hyde Park on the Hudson Best Supporting Actor : Leo De Caprio - Django Unchained Tommy Lee Jones - Lincoln John Goodman and Alan Arkin are possibilities for Argo Best Actress: Jessica Chastain - Zero Dark Thirty Marion Cotillard - Rust & Bone Best Supporting Actress: Sally Fields Lincoln Best

• Sally Fields got her talent from her father. W.C..

• [quote][R336], IRON LADY grossed $114 million ($30 million stateside) on a $15 million budget, so it was highly profitable, the giant piece of shit notwithstanding. The Weinstein Company distributed it in America and lost a lot of $$$ on it. Around half went to the UK studio, plus the marketing, paying the theater owners and the multimillion dollar Oscar campaign for Streep, TWC ended up in the red on the movie.

• You mustn't have read the reviews for Hyde Park on the Hudson, R338. Time has it listed as one of the 10 worst films of the year.

• Hyde Park has been panned. It's out of contention. The reviews are terrible.

• plus Laura Linney is now a TV actress.....oh my.

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• Anybody want to predict the Golden Globe nominations?

• Well, even if a movie is roundly panned, I think if the actor, their agency (CAA, WME,) or the studios,producers, distributors have enough clout they'll still get in the game. I keep wondering how Harvey Weinstein does it. Does he threaten people? Buy people? What? I can't see any actor winning over Daniel Day Lewis But getting nominated would help a movie and an actor's career even if they don't win. It's a salvage job, IMO. Maybe Joaquin, Philip Seymour Hoffman, and Bill Murray are the only thing good about their respective films.

• ]quote]Notables not nominated for best director in the year of Yentl: Philip Kaufman THE RIGHT STUFF (oscar nominee, best picture) Wow. That was a great movie (still is) and it was all the director's doing.

• [quote]Reviews are coming in for Les Miz, and they're not good. [quote]Early buzz for this movie has been way off. You're probably one of the morons who said Avatar would flop.

• Time panned (mostly) Les Mis, but then it's by Richard Corliss, who is above all an idiot.

• I think Les Miserables will do well at the Box Office. Very Respectable. But I think The Hobbit will do equally as well if not better. In both cases they are going to have to get some nominations because they are THE movies to see this holiday season, just as Lincoln is.

• [quote]Time panned (mostly) Les Mis, but then it's by Richard Corliss, who is above all an idiot. I find it amusing that LES MIZ didn't make Time's Top 10 of the year but EVITA did in 1996. XD

• The Les Mis reviews are seeping out and they're mixed at best. The only reason it will eke out a Best Pic nomination is studio pressure and payola.

• The reviews are mostly terrible for Les Miz. It may eke out a BP nom, but Hooper will not be up for Director. Jackman will not get a nom.

• wrong, r352. Yah, you hate the movie, even though you haven't seen it I'm sure. But 75% at RT, while not great, is still not "mostly terrible."

• Zero Dark Thirty and Lincoln are going to be the two Best Picture contenders. Not Les Miz. Sorry kweenz!

• 75% translates to a C rating, that's too weak to win BP or director, it shouldn't even be nominated.

• r332 and r335 are still confusing serious critics' debate and insider discourse with pop culture perception. The general public had no idea who Philip Kaufman was, and they most certainly weren't aware of Andrei Tarkovsky or Eric Rohmer. Girl, please! Streisand was the biggest female celebrity in Hollywood, and all eyes were on her film, since it was practically unheard of for a woman celebrity to shoot her own film. The discussion at hand is not about whether Streisand 'deserved' a nod, or whether she should have been 'surprised' at the lack of Oscar attention. THE GENERAL PUBLIC, i.e. middle America, perceived it as a snub. The link upthread to People mag is hardly a 'small write up' - it is a fairly lengthy article. And it doesn't get more pop culture than People Magazine! Everything I've said on this thread is supported by that link, and none of r332's outrage will change that. Pop culture narrative told us that Barbra Streisand had been snubbed for 'Yentl'. Deal.

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• You're still babbling on about this Meryl loon? [quote]THE GENERAL PUBLIC, i.e. middle America, perceived it as a snub. The link upthread to People mag is hardly a 'small write up' - it is a fairly lengthy article. Yes Meryl loon you knew what the pulse of middle America was in 1984. Yes it was a huge story among middle America along with the Olympics, the Presedential election, Michael Jackson being burned, and the Apple computer being introduced. [quote]Everything I've said on this thread is supported by that link, and none of [R332]'s outrage will change that. No dear it tells us that it was a slow news week in the entertainment industry. [quote]Streisand was the biggest female celebrity in Hollywood, and all eyes were on her film, since it was practically unheard of for a woman celebrity to shoot her own film. And her film underwhelmed and did ok box office. Case closed. [quote]Pop culture narrative told us that Barbra Streisand had been snubbed for 'Yentl'. Pop culture narrative in 1984 was about Ghostbusters, Footloose, Beverly Hills Cop, The Cosby Show, Gremlins, Thriller, Boy George, Tina Turner, Madonna,Cyndi Lauper, and Prince. Not Barbra Streisand. [quote]The Streep troll (tm). Sometimes it is too easy.. To make you look like a idiot.

• "Not Barbra Streisand" Which, of course, is why People Magazine wrote about Streisand being snubbed! (according to them) How cute. Anti-loon, your parochial reading of what I meant by "pop culture narrative" resembles your inability to differentiate between "industry discourse" and "pop culture perception". The things you list (Ghostbusters, Tina Turner, etc.) were pop culture HIT MATERIAL, which is quite a different thing from *narrative*. Do you know what "narrative" means, in English? It deals with 'perception' and 'story', and if a big star comes out with her first film as director, there is a 'story' attached to that, and 'perceptions' are made. Just like Redford and Beatty had their own narratives, when they came out with their films. Tina Turner, Cyndi Lauper and Madonna were no Hollywood stars. They were pop singers. The biggest female star in Hollywood until the arrival of Julia Roberts was - Barbra Streisand. That status was held regardless of contemporary box office. Her star power allone assured there was going to be a *narrative* about her first film, 'Yentl'. Needles to say, this will go over your head. But what else is new with a deranged lunatic like you.

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• "To make you look like a idiot" Oh, the irony! r357? In English, we say "an idiot", not "a". It's "an idea", not "a idea"; "an illness", but not "a illness"; "an item", not "a item". See the grammatical pattern there, anti-loon? You know, only idiots calling other people idiots, while exhibiting their own idiocy, are true idiots. *Kisses*

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• [quote]Which, of course, is why People Magazine wrote about Streisand being snubbed! (according to them) Let it go Meryl loon, you are grasping for straws and failing. A obscure magazine article doesn't prove your point. [quote]Anti-loon, your parochial reading of what I meant by "pop culture narrative" resembles your inability to differentiate between "industry discourse" and "pop culture perception". What the fuck are you babbling about? Again, 10lbs of shit in a 5lb bag. There was zero pop culture narraitive about Streisand being snubbed for an Oscar. No amount of your batshit crazy replies will change that. [quote]It deals with 'perception' and 'story', and if a big star comes out with her first film as director, there is a 'story' attached to that, and 'perceptions' are made. Just like Redford and Beatty had their own narratives, when they came out with their films. Yeah the "narraitive" was that their films were actually well recieved both critically and commercially, Streisand's film had ok box office and lukewarm reviews. Beatty's first film was one of the biggest hits of 1978. You are obviously too stuipd to see the differences. [quote]Tina Turner, Cyndi Lauper and Madonna were no Hollywood stars. They were pop singers. The biggest female star in Hollywood until the arrival of Julia Roberts was - Barbra Streisand. Um no. Streisand made 3 films in the 80's. Two were bombs and one did okay, hardly Hollywood's biggest star. [quote]That status was held regardless of contemporary box office. No it wasn't. Try again. [quote]Her star power allone assured there was going to be a *narrative* about her first film, 'Yentl'. Yes the narrative was "big star directs mediocre film". That was the narrative. [quote]Needles to say, this will go over your head. But what else is new with a deranged lunatic like you. Cupcake you're the one that has a unhealthy obsession with someone you don't know to the point where you are threatening her "competition" and has issues with racism. People like you are the reason stricter stalking laws have been passed in the last 20 years. Frankly, you are the kind of person that people should look out for. [quote]You know, only idiots calling other people idiots, while exhibiting their own idiocy, are true idiots. Again Meryl loon, when was the last time you were gainfully employeed? BTW you have been on here for 4 years and you still don't know how to use quotes? Oh the irony.

• Where do you live, Streep Loon? We know it isn't the US. Are you a Brit? If you are, you have at least eight or ten home-grown actresses who could mop up the floor with Meryl Streep.

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• Streep troll, the quoting thing, as well as bolding, ect, is explained in the "help" section, click on the link in the upper right.

• Meryl Christmas, everybody!

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• DDL Jennifer Lwrence Sally Field Tommy Lee Jones David O Russell Tony Kushner Wes Anderson & Roman Coppola SILVER LININGS PLAYBOOK Done.

• Whats the name of the British(I assume) indie film about a woman who stops at nothing (don't remember plot) that a very few think has a chance for Best Actress... All this talk about Yentl just wanted to point out it will not be available at Netflix after Jan 1

• I think this will be a shocker year with many surprising nominations, and wins as well. My final prediction for supp. actress: Sally Field, Anne Hathaway, Amy Adams, Ann Dowd, Isabelle Huppert. It's not Huppert's most fascinating work, but Amour has strong momentum, and this is as good a time as any to finally give her a nomination. She is painfully overdue. Dowd will get in as well, due to building momentum. Her strong performance cannot be ignored. Helen Hunt will be the surprise snub, along with Maggie Smith. Neihter Field nor Hathaway will win (another surprise). You heard it here first!

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• picture and director - The Master or Holy Motors. best actor - Denis Lavant for Holy Motors. supporting - Amy Adams and Philip Seymour Hoffman for The Master or Maggie Smith for Marigold Hotel best villain - Tom Hiddleston for The Avengers lifetime - Judi Dench I know most of this is never going to happen, but most of the typical movies were just VERY meh!

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• I can already see I won't be correct. Oh well.

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• Picture - Lincoln Director - Steven Spielberg Actor - Daniel Day Lewis Actress - Emmanuelle Riva Supporting Actor - Phillip Seymour Hoffman Supporting Actress - Anne Hathaway Original Screenplay - Amour Adapted Screenplay - Lincoln Foreign Film - Amour (by the way, OP, I'm sure this has already been noted, but The Intouchables was not nominated)

• Think OP has it!

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• I eat shit.

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• Hey Smarty Pants, op, the Intouchables was not even nominated. I doubt it will win.