The Salvation Army is not a charity. It is a church that donates millions of dollars to anti gay causes and does not allow gays as employees.
The attached article has printable vouchers that you can give to solicitors on the street.
Lets try to stir the shit about this this holiday season
Exposing homophobia should happen here every day, R1
I mean take it to the kettle R2. We can expose homophobia here on DL all day and it will not affect these red turd buckets stuffers at all. But seriously, call you local talk shows, write the newspapers, facebook it, stuff their kettles with those vouchers, argue with the bell ringers, raise a ruckus for the Baby Jesus.
Absolutely R3. Any way we can.
But there should be zero tolerance for defense of their homophobia at gay & lesbian websites like this.
Allow only enough to let us know the truth about these hateful bigots
I understand and agree with the complaints about them. But I have to say that they run an excellent and non-judgmental in-patient drug treatment program in my area - it's probably been the best program for my drug addicted clients over the past 2 decades.
Too many drug programs use that get-tough and humiliation approach and that simply doesn't work for many drug addicts. So it's good that there is an alternative option.
I beg to differ R5. I had a close friend staying in one of their shelters in NYC and the rammed Christianity down everyone's throat. Accepting it and living by it was a condition of STAYING there. Non followers were drummed out. Gays were treated with such hostility that they left in short order.
Only members of the Salvation Army think they are non judgmental. That is the whole cult and control thing.
That may all be true however there is more to the story.
In my community of 50 thousand they are the only provider of housing for the homeless. They run a soup kitchen, the only free daily hot food available. On other days they provide a supply of sandwiches along with making showers available. It is the SA that provides the Thanksgiving meal for poor people and those having no place to go. There is no end to their work helping the homeless and needy where I live.
The thrift stores they run commit all of the profits to the drug and alcohol treatment programs centers they run, mainly for vets and homeless men. They give people on the down and out a chance a a better life.
If you have no charity for the likes of the Salvation Army and their good deeds then you have no charity at all. Get over yourselves and your self centered judgements and give something to the SA. When you see those bell ringers get your wallet out. It might be YOU someday that needs a meal or a shower or a few minutes of human dignity. It is Christmas, a time to look beyond your selfishness for a week or two.
Also, I eat so much shit that I'm absolutely FULL of it!
R8 frau cunt
All the things the Salvation Army "runs" can easily be run by non Religious charities much more efficiently and without the religious dogma.
This is where people like R8 fail and are exposed as Jesus propagandists.
I loathe all religions equally. The problem with someone else can run it is NO ON ELSE IS DOING IT.
No all gay people are in your comfy crowd. Many gay men are homeless and have problems staying sober. You just don't know them.
The SA thrift stores I visit all have gay employees, fairly obvious ones at that
Fuck you R8, and they shitty little burg where you live.
Nobody else is doing it because official US economic policy, leaves it to the Jesus freaks. It is part of pandering to them politically (faith based initiatives).
If they were legally banned from doing it, it would be still be done and done far better without them skimming the donations, to promote their Sky Faeries.
The slightest slight and there is an outpouring of venom and hatred. It is something ingrained in a certain segment of the gay community.
I am ashamed of many of you. That you are so quick to take offense, to belittle and criticize,to look to find fault everywhere. Glad I don't live in your world
R15 Fred Phelps wants you back home now......
[quote] Maj. Andrew Craibe, the media relations officer for Australia's southern territory, reminded us of that fact by agreeing on-air with two gay radio hosts that the Salvation Army believes gay people "should die."
[quote]The slightest slight and there is an outpouring of venom and hatred.
We get it r15, gays aren't even on your radar except when you seek out our web sites to spew your vile hatred against us and your love for gay bashers.
We get it frau, now fuck off back to freeper land.
Some of you sound just like the Obama haters we have listened to for the last 4 years. Bunch of bigoted silly clones and you don't recognize yourself
The important thing: Print the vouchers and use them.
I love how R8/11/12/15/18 keeps blaming the nasty gays for being so mean to those wonderful gay bashers at SA but refuses to even address homophobia because she just doesn't give a shit about that. And calls us "bigots" but just loves the real bigots at SA.
Ring that bell, frau!
[quote]If you have no charity for the likes of the Salvation Army and their good deeds then you have no charity at all.
What utter rubbish. "Good deeds" do not outweigh the blatant bigotry that the Salvation Army has displayed over the years. When you support the "good deeds," you are supporting the bigotry. And when you mindlessly support that bigotry, the parent organization has no reason to change.
[quote]Get over yourselves and your self centered judgements and give something to the SA.
Speaking of "get[ting] over yourself," perhaps you should follow your own advice? And no, sorry, my money does not go to support bigotry and discrimination.
[quote]When you see those bell ringers get your wallet out. It might be YOU someday that needs a meal or a shower or a few minutes of human dignity.
And if that is the case, I'll get that from other organizations or from federal, state, or local governments, none of whom support bigotry and discrimination.
[quote]It is Christmas, a time to look beyond your selfishness for a week or two.
It is never time to "look beyond" bigotry and discrimination.
[quote]Some of you sound just like the Obama haters we have listened to for the last 4 years.
So we're "haters" because we refuse to support bigotry and discrimination? Interesting world view you have there....
[quote]Bunch of bigoted silly clones and you don't recognize yourself
You're right. I don't "recognize myself" in your description but that's mostly because your description is blatantly false, not to mention stupid.
[quote]The slightest slight and there is an outpouring of venom and hatred.
Funny how you're absolutely fine with bigotry and discrimination but rail so vehemently against those who oppose it, employing your own brand of "venom and hatred."
[quote]It is something ingrained in a certain segment of the gay community. I am ashamed of many of you. That you are so quick to take offense, to belittle and criticize,to look to find fault everywhere. Glad I don't live in your world.
Pot. Kettle. Black. And man, I'm *definitely* glad I don't live in your world.
I for one refuse to be intolerant of others having faced intolerance from others all of my life. Maybe someone can provide a list or institutions that serve the poor and homeless that are non religious.
[quote]I for one refuse to be intolerant of others having faced intolerance from others all of my life.
Dear heart, "intolerance" of bigotry is a virtue, not a vice. The Salvation Army is free to be as bigoted and as discriminatory as they like, just as you are. And I'm free to refuse to support that bigotry and discrimination with my hard-earned dollars, preferring that those dollars go to organizations that do not exhibit bigotry and discrimination.
[quote]Maybe someone can provide a list or institutions that serve the poor and homeless that are non religious.
There are too many to list, at the local, state, and national levels. Contrary to your silly assertion that "NO ONE ELSE IS DOING IT," there are literally thousands of organization across the U.S. that are helping the poor, the homeless, and the hungry.
I'll be heading next week to the Northwest Harvest Food Bank, for example, to aid them in getting ready for the holiday and winter season demands.
R8...go fuck yourself, churchie. You're a LIAR and that's a sin. There is absolutely NO community where the SA is the ONLY charity. In my city they run nothing, yet try to take credit for all the soup kitchens and such which are run by other groups. Fuck you.
Better warn the Northwest Harvest Food Bank
R24, thank you Paul!
[quote]Better warn the Northwest Harvest Food Bank
LOL.... Warn them of what, dear? That someone is eager to help them? That someone who cares about bigotry and discrimination thinks their organization is worth supporting? That someone is willing to devote his time and his money to help those who need it? And has picked an organization that doesn't engage in bigotry and discrimination to support? Go right ahead and "warn" them, dear; be my guest.
Is this really the best you can do? Pathetic lame attacks because your attacks on us have been shown to be both false and stupid? Here's a free clue: when you're in a hole, stop digging.
Oh, and R8, speaking of "pot, kettle, black," there's this lovely little comment of yours on another thread:
[quote]The Romans had the right idea when it comes to Christians.
You might want to examine that glass house of yours again before you resume throwing stones.
Christians love to use others inability to handle their hatred as intolerant. Heck, using that logic, Murders and Rapists think the law is being intolerant of them too.
I am taking you all on vacation, think Oprah giveaway.
How does Uganda sound this time of year?
I agree with feeding the Christians to the lions if that is what you mean.
[quote] Only members of the Salvation Army think they are non judgmental. That is the whole cult and control thing.
Well, I'm not a member of the SA. I'm a lapsed Catholic now atheist. I reported what my clients report to me and what I have observed about their drug program - not a shelter. It is based on a non-judgmental model of encouragement rather than "in your face humilition" like so many Second Genesis programs. Perhaps it is unique to D.C. but that is the experience at this large program.
Obviously not R33. If you look at the scandals involving S.A. over the years: funds robbed in various places, crime rings run from S.A. facilities, then they don't look so good, even if you accept the fraud of a "non-judgmental" model. If they do operate such a model as you say, it is contrary to their founding mission and purpose.
[quote]All the things the Salvation Army "runs" can easily be run by non Religious charities much more efficiently and without the religious dogma.
I agree, r10, but in our area only S.A. is doing it. No other organization is doing anything to help the homeless. Do you expect me to easily turn my home into an efficient homeless shelter?
[quote]In my community of 50 thousand they are the only provider of housing for the homeless.
And what is the name of this community? County and state, please. A simple google search could clear this up in seconds.
We'll wait. Right here. Just waiting on your answer. The name of the town, county and state, please.
[quote]Maybe someone can provide a list or institutions that serve the poor and homeless that are non religious.
See, here's the thing: you're the only one making this about "religion". There are plenty of churches and synagogues that welcome gay people and affirm their sexual orientation (rather than expect them to be celibate and closeted, if not actively pursuing a hetero way of life). Most of us aren't against the SA because they're people of faith, we're opposed to them because THEY oppose us (gay people), and are very vocal about it.
Besides that there are many secular organizations that do food and toy drives this time of year. Goodwill, almost any civic club, TV and radio stations, places of employment...hell, the leather bar in my city does a yearly toy/food drive.
The idea that the SA is the ONLY charity, and that refusing to support it amounts to being uncharitable, is patently false and ludicrous in the extreme.
"Accepting it and living by it was a condition of STAYING there. Non followers were drummed out. Gays were treated with such hostility that they left in short order."
I don't believe you. In fact, what you say is utter horseshit. What you're saying it that the SA won't help you unless you're a Christian, and THAT is a blatant lie. You also say that gays were treated with hostility; I don't believe that, either. It makes a good story, though, if you're trying to smear an organization you dislike.
The SA haters are a lunatic bunch. They are so hysterical with hatred that they tell the most outrageous lies to make the SA seem like evil incarnate. Well, if the SA consistently denied help to non-Christians, gays, etc. you can bet they would have been put out of business long ago due to discrimination lawsuits. All these tales of them denying assistance to people because they're gay or non-Christian or whatever...that is pure, unadulterated CRAP.
The Salvation Army inducts its followers using the same psychological programming techniques as Scientology.
See why they react this way when challenged now?
It may be more constructive to provide a non-discriminatory resource for those who need it than to simply attack the S.A.
R38 what is so difficult to believe? On the spectrum of crazy shit that religious people do, attaching strings to offers is charity is quite tame.
Though you knew that. You pathetic cunt.
r38 = r27 from the other SA thread.
R38, you do understand that A) most states do not protect gay people from discrimination and B) those that do exempt religious organizations like the SA.
The SA is free to discriminate against gay people and does so. You have admitted as much previously.
And there is no community where the SA is the ONLY organization offering assistance to the poor and needy.
Making a starving person declare Jesus Christ as their Lord and Survivor in exchange for food, is a powerful recruitment strategy. I mean, what other options do they have???
Better link to printable vouchers to stuff the kettles with
I'm thinking the people who empty the kettles won't care. Contact the store or mall management and explain to them why they should not let this organization on the grounds in the first place.
[quote]I don't believe you.
That's your prerogative, of course, but the the data supporting this are available online.
[quote]In fact, what you say is utter horseshit.
Interesting how you go from "I don't believe you" to "utter horseshit." Of course, out in the real world, the facts are what they are, regardless of whether you believe them or not.
[quote]What you're saying it that the SA won't help you unless you're a Christian, and THAT is a blatant lie.
Actually, the "blatant lie" here is that anyone has claimed that "the SA won't help you unless you're a Christian." It's a lovely little strawman argument but it bears no resemblance to anything anyone here has said. Do try to keep up.
[quote]You also say that gays were treated with hostility; I don't believe that, either.
Again, that's your prerogative, but there are multiple accounts. You're free to close your eyes and put your hands over your ears all you wish; that won't change the facts.
[quote]It makes a good story, though, if you're trying to smear an organization you dislike.
Yeah, how dare we dislike an organization that engages in bigotry and discrimination! Bad gays! No biscuit!
[quote]The SA haters are a lunatic bunch.
ROFL.... Oh, the irony....
[quote]They are so hysterical with hatred that they tell the most outrageous lies to make the SA seem like evil incarnate.
Not even close, but thanks for playing. We have some lovely consolation prizes for you. Nobody has claimed that the SA is "evil incarnate." We are simply noting that they are guilty of bigotry and discrimination. And that they have spent quite a lot of money lobbying so that they can continue to engage in bigotry and discrimination. The facts are clear, whether you want to believe them or not.
[quote]Well, if the SA consistently denied help to non-Christians, gays, etc. you can bet they would have been put out of business long ago due to discrimination lawsuits.
Sigh.... Moron, you *really* haven't been paying attention, have you? A charitable organization is, in fact, free to discriminate in how it vends its charity. And the SA has been spending money lobbying to make sure that they can continue to discriminate not only in how they handle their charitable donations but also in how they handle the people who work for them.
Sorry to break it to you, but your denial changes reality not one iota. Funny how that works.
That is a lie, it is not the truth, they don't make you do any such thing. You are spreading untruths and distortions, you are a propagandist.
Drama queens looking to pounce, to find fault, to lay blame, anything to make their shitty, vapid little existence seem valid
How many SA threads do we need, really?
R48/R49 voted for Romney.
We have some mentally disturbed SA defenders, which I find hard to understand because I can't recall a single celebrity who was ever helped by SA.
[quote]Drama queens looking to pounce, to find fault, to lay blame, anything to make their shitty, vapid little existence seem valid
ROFLMAO.... I wonder if our little drama queen friend here is aware of just how apt that description is of himself? I doubt it; self-awareness doesn't seem to be high on his list of personal virtues.
There used to be a SA comedy song performed by drag queens in December. Something about, "Put a nickle on the drum, help another drunken bum..."
I encourage you all to speak out and try and take down the SA. With some luck you will garner a larger audience. The result of which will be an outpouring of donations to the SA at a time when they could use them.
BOYCOTT the Salvation army
Dear heart, we've been boycotting the SA for years, giving our money to organizations that don't discriminate and don't display blatant bigotry. Interesting how you keep ignoring those latter two basic facts in your temper tantrums here.
Yeah....... when somebody punches you and you punch back, you're a Drama Queen. Yeah...... that's what the term means......
SOME religious organizations DO NOT preach or proselytize when offering their help. My sister is active in her Methodist church-- which runs a soup kitchen, clothing bank and basic social services. If someone needs help, the Methodists offer it freely with no caveats attached.
"Hi My children and I have no food. Can you help us?"
"Sure. Here's some food. Is there anything else we do for you today? Have a nice day."
The other side of the coin: I have a friend who did a social work internship with the local "City Mission". The Mission would make the poor, hungry, dirty people sit through HOURS of preaching before they even let them eat or shower. Oh, you have to accept Jesus as your Savior before you can receive food or a bed.
"Oh, for fucks sake! Yes, I LOVE Jesus, ok? Can I PLEASE have a sandwich now?"
R47 seems like the most unbearable, obnoxious queen imaginable, a incredibly cunty Mr. Know It All. He DOESN'T know it all. Not even close. But he'd probably argue that he does until you're ready to kill him. What a douche!
R59, here are some tips to help you make your case a little more effectively:
1) Avoid ad hominems.
2) Include facts and supporting evidence.
He can't, R60. The facts don't support their arguments, so the SA supporters have no choice but to attack the messenger.
Do you get a paycheck from the SA?
The exposure of this hate group increases every Christmas. We need to go after the Corporations who support it now. Like Bell Media.
SA troll, come out, come out where ever you are!
"Paul" (this thread is lit up like a beacon by his posts) is one of the annoying, insufferable, snotty, fucked-up trolls I think I've ever seen on Datalounge.
His posts indicate that he has some kind of personality disorder; his mindset is "I'm right and you're wrong and that's all there is to it!" "Rigid", I believe people with that affliction are called. He also appears to have narcissistic personality disorder; obviously he considers himself superior in his "intolerance for bigotry" and all that shit. He probably doesn't realize how much of a cunt he comes across as. He thinks SO much of himself. But he's nothing but some poor soul with a lot of hostility and anger. Not the kind of person most people would want to be around for any length of time. To put it succinctly, poor old "Paul" is a big fat pain in the ass.
LOL @R65. And another moron joins in who does nothing but confirm my earlier points. Q.E.D.
[quote]He probably doesn't realize how much of a cunt he comes across as.
Actually, I know exactly how I come across and I assure you it's intentional. I'm mocking you, dear, having fun at your expense, pointing out the lameness of your arguments, and enjoying the venom in the responses.
[quote] But he's nothing but some poor soul with a lot of hostility and anger.
What part of "ROFL" are you having trouble understanding, dear? I'm having fun here, if only because of the pathetic nature of responses like yours. This is some seriously hilarious shit!
And yet you are the refuck/fundy cunt who should kill himself, R65.
DL is not for jesusfreaks. FUCK OFF!
Paul is not the only one who thinks highly of himself.
He has legions of fans on DL, me included.
Me as well, R68
The Salvation Army is its own religion--it is the Salvation Army Religion. Seriously, I know someone who belonged to it.
When you donate to them understand that while yes, some goes to charity, most of it goes to the head honchos who are very rich. It also has that weird "army" heirarchy with the Majors and Majorettes--and these people actually wear military uniforms and act authoritarian.
The Salvation Army does not like gays and doesn't care much for women either. They provide very little for women and often discriminate against them.
Yes, you can stay there for free but form what I've been told you can't look for a job because they keep you there all day working for them.
I've also been told that there are many closeted gays working within the organization but like Scientology, haave worked up the ranks while destitute and have no other options.
I wonder if they get tax exemptions?
Could someone please start a thread about survival skills for destitute gays and lesbians please?
This thread has reminded me of how homeless and wounded gay people get caught up in organizations like S.A and Scientology and get trapped in a hurtful lifestyle.
Poor gays and lesbians have it so much harder than poor straights and it hurts me so.
"Paul is not the only one who thinks highly of himself.
He has legions of fans on DL, me included."
Legions? You don't speak for the masses, you idiot. You must be pretty dumb if you "think highly" of an obnoxious troll.
"Actually, I know exactly how I come across and I assure you it's intentional. I'm mocking you, dear, having fun at your expense, pointing out the lameness of your arguments, and enjoying the venom in the responses"
The above comment by Paul Dear Heart, the yammering Datalounge Salvation Army Troll is further proof that he is mentally ill. He obvious takes glee in pissing people off, which is why he's acting like such a fuckwad. Anybody with that kind of mentality is profoundly fucked up. And if your read his neverending posts (I think most people just gloss over them, there are so many of them) you'll find that what he considers iron-clad arguments are just a lot of blather by a hate-filled creep. He obviously DOESN'T know how he comes across, because he comes across as an utter asshole. But that's all part of his mental illness.
Paul/Dear Heart is exactly the kind of hysterical, overwrought, dogmatic queen that turns most people off, in spades. You want to know why some people hate gays? Well, look no further than Paul "I am right about everything!" Dear Heart, the quintessential Godawful troll.
Now watch him do a reply quoting me and calling me "dear" or "dear heart." Just watch.
[quote]Legions? You don't speak for the masses, you idiot.
He didn't claim to, dear. Is reading comprehension always this much trouble for you?
[quote]You must be pretty dumb if you "think highly" of an obnoxious troll.
Serious people and serious arguments I take seriously and respond accordingly. Idiots and trolls, like you, I mock and have fun with. As it happens, I'm not the only one here amused by the spittle-flecked responses of zealots like yourself.
[quote]The above comment by Paul Dear Heart, the yammering Datalounge Salvation Army Troll is further proof that he is mentally ill.
LOL.... Well, it's "proof" of something, dear, but I doubt that you'd be pleased to discover what it actually proves.
[quote]He obvious takes glee in pissing people off
Not "people," dear; trolls and idiots (usually one and the same).
[quote]Anybody with that kind of mentality is profoundly fucked up.
Whatever you say, dear. You're obviously an expert on this.
[quote]And if your read his neverending posts ... you'll find that what he considers iron-clad arguments are just a lot of blather by a hate-filled creep.
And yet, so far, none of you has been able to come up with a single example of "hate" on my part, nor have you been able to come up with any counter-arguments other than lame strawmen and personal attacks. Why is that, dear?
[quote]He obviously DOESN'T know how he comes across, because he comes across as an utter asshole.
Trust me, dear; I know exactly what I'm doing and I know the impact I'm having. So far, you're behaving precisely as I would expect, given the nature of your earlier posts here.
[quote]But that's all part of his mental illness.
LOL.... Yes, dear; whatever you say. As I said, this is obviously an area you're an expert in.
[quote]Paul/Dear Heart is exactly the kind of hysterical, overwrought, dogmatic queen that turns most people off, in spades.
LOL.... Really, dear? Do point me at those examples of "hysteria" that you've observed in my post. I can't wait...
[quote]You want to know why some people hate gays? Well, look no further than Paul "I am right about everything!" Dear Heart, the quintessential Godawful troll.
ROFL.... My, what power I do seem to possess. Apparently, now, I'm the cause of people hating gay men and women. And this poor chap is forced to read and respond to my every post here. Obviously, I must be more careful to use my vast powers for good!
[quote]Now watch him do a reply quoting me and calling me "dear" or "dear heart." Just watch.
Whatever you say, dear. As long as you keep responding as you have thus far, I'll be right here egging you on and mocking you. Hell, your posts are the funniest I've seen on here in months. I should be paying you for this entertainment!
Please pass the pop corn
Settling in for Act II
"DL is not for jesusfreaks. FUCK OFF!"
Who are you to say what DL is for? EAT SHIT AND DIE!
R78 = bigot
R78? DL is for gay gossip, news and pointless bitchery.
No asshole christers allowed.
I think a bell ringer must have finger banged the Salvation Army troll when he was six years old or something.
The theft from these donation "kettles" is phenomenal. It even made the news in Toronto this year.
[quote] The theft from these donation "kettles" is phenomenal.
Good. Maybe someday this bigoted organization will find themselves out on the street.
"DL is for gay gossip, news and pointless bitchery.
No asshole christers allowed"
You're not in charge here, you retarded little cocksucker. And I'm an atheist, by the way. So take your "no asshole christers allowed" and stick it way, way up your shit-encrusted bung hole.
"Good. Maybe someday this bigoted organization will find themselves out on the street"
You're glad that money to be used to help the poor gets stolen? You are truly a sociopath.
Like all Evangelical Christian Charities, the money is used first, to promote Jesus, the poor eventually get what is left over.
This has to be stopped.
While you gibber away the real enemy and monster sits on the supreme court Scalia. Why not organize a protest against the court. Shut down DC
The wife of McDonalds restaurant founder, Joan Kroc, recently willed almost $2 Billion to the Salvation Army. Instead of giving this money to the poor, they built a new Salvation Army super center, to help promote Evangelical Christianity.
Understand how this organization works now?
Unbelievable. Why do we always have these hateful, hateful threads during the holidays? And why does the webmaster allow it? The Salvation Army needs all the help it can get. It has been shown that almost 100% of thier donations go directly to helping the needy. Please put your baseless politics and accusations aside and support this institution. Especially now.
Enough of the hatefulness!
Uh, no r86, almost 100% of the donations go towards helping the needy before any administrative costs, etc. I should know. I sat on their board 3 years ago and none of their practices have changed. Enough of your smears.
The Salvation Army needs to be shut down as a hate group.
Poor people need all the help they can get, they don't need Religious groups like the Salvation Army scalping donations to the poor, to propagate Jesus.
Do the admonistrative costs include building billion-dollar super centers?
If not, either r88 or r89 is lying.
OK, R89 and R90, that's just a flat out lie. At no charity, even the best run, most well organized, does 'almost 100% of the donations go toward helping the needy.'
If what you say is true, then the SA should have no objection to letting outside observers look at their books. And yet they don't. Odd.
Who cares if they build a billion dollar supercenter?
But it's not a hate group, r91 no matter how many times you stamp your feet and scream that lie. Get off this site.
One dollar for the poor, one dollar for the Oh So Powerful, Sky Master.
One dollar for the poor, another dollar for the Oh So Powerful, Sky Master.
One dollar for the poor and one more dollar for the Oh So Powerful, Sky Master.
Thank you for your $6 donation - The Salvation Army.
P.S. The Oh So Powerful, Sky Master hates homosexuals, he told us that 2,000 years ago, wrote it down in a magical book which he left to Mary, who gave it to our ancestors when they were picnicing in the Jerusalem mountains.
It is you, insane r95 who should 'get off this site."
I noticed that homophobic R89/R95 is saying in another thread that Justice Scalia is an "intelligent man" and "DESERVES RESPECT".
Nothing insane about anything I wrote. I just tire of the negativity here. The army does great work. Just leave them alone and focus on positive things. Seriously, what's your damage?
Agreed! Jesus freaks buh BYE R95!!!
[quote]Unbelievable. Why do we always have these hateful, hateful threads during the holidays?
Because that's when the Salvation Army is raising money. This isn't exactly rocket science.
[quote]And why does the webmaster allow it?
Because there's nothing wrong with it? That's just a guess.
[quote]The Salvation Army needs all the help it can get.
And when they stop engaging in bigotry and discrimination, I'll be happy to contribute. Until then, no, thanks. My money will go to organizations that don't engage in such behavior.
[quote]It has been shown that almost 100% of thier donations go directly to helping the needy.
Garbage. The Salvation Army is registered as a church, not a charity, which means that they do not disclose their outlays. The best estimates are that they spend between 15% and 35% on administration and overhead. That actually isn't bad for a charity but it's nowhere near the "almost 100%" you're claiming.
[quote]Please put your baseless politics and accusations aside and support this institution. Especially now.
This isn't "politics," nor are the accusations "baseless," since everything we have been discussing has been well-documented. So, no, thanks. When they put aside their baseless discrimination and bigotry, we'll stop having conversations like this.
[quote]Uh, no [R86], almost 100% of the donations go towards helping the needy before any administrative costs, etc. I should know. I sat on their board 3 years ago and none of their practices have changed. Enough of your smears.
Sorry, but you're wrong. Apparently, you didn't learn anything from your time on the board.
[quote]Nothing insane about anything I wrote.
Nothing accurate about what you wrote, either.
[quote]I just tire of the negativity here.
And yet, here you are, contributing to it. You should be careful of those stones you're throwing.
[quote]The army does great work.
The army also engages in bigotry and discrimination. Did you have a point to make?
[quote]Just leave them alone and focus on positive things.
I'm engaging in the positive task of making it too expensive for organizations to engage in bigotry and discrimination.
[quote]Seriously, what's your damage?
Sorry, but disliking bigotry and discrimination and working to fight it is not usually seen as evidence of "damage." At least, not out here in the real world, where people like us have to face these issues on a daily basis.
[quote]Who cares if they build a billion dollar supercenter?
Interesting choice of words, given the famous Salvation Army slogan of the 60's and 70's.
But I'll tell you who should care - all the people contributing money that they think is going to help the needy and instead is used to build a powerful church that's not even a work of art.
[quote]Just leave them alone and focus on positive things.
Shining a light on bigotry and discrimination IS a positive thing.
Whitewashing the beliefs and practices of a hate-church that discriminates and demonizes LGBT minorities is not. Since such actions involve lying and strong-arming others as well as protecting powerful people who trample the rights of the weak, they most certainly aren't "Christlike" or covered by the Golden Rule.
Jesus is watching you and the SA. He doesn't like how you've perverted his teachings to fit your own innate bigotries and hatred.
Go after the businesses which allow these bigots in the door to collect money.
One of these days the Salvation Army and others like them, will be declared hate groups, but not until all the old farts die off.
Remember that members of the KKK used to run and get elected into public office in the early 1900s America. See Indiana State history for details.