With the holiday shopping season in full swing, the Salvation Army's Red Kettle campaign is once again coming under intense scrutiny from lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) rights advocates.
America Blog is asking LGBT shoppers and allies to give downloadable "vouchers" to Salvation Army bell ringers in lieu of cash in an effort to let the organization know that "bigotry is not a Christmas value," according to blogger John Aravosis.
"The Salvation Army discriminates against gay people, and discriminating donors should find another charity this Christmas than evangelical bigots who advocate against our civil rights," Aravosis writes. "And not just that –- they’ve actively lobbied against pro-gay policies in a number of countries as well."
I saw a gay guy today as a bell ringer at SAMs Club and we talked for a moment. He said he does it because he has no family to celebrate Christmas with and feels it is giving back and makes him part of the season.
For some reason, this has made me extremely sad all day now.
Was the other thread deleted? I can't find it.
Keep posting this and spreading it around.
CTV in Canada, the ones who promoted anti-gay PM Stephen Harper into office, are the biggest Corporate supporters of the Salvation Army in Canada. They run free commercials for them everyday.
[quote] CTV in Canada, the ones who promoted anti-gay PM Stephen Harper into office, are the biggest Corporate supporters of the Salvation Army in Canada. They run free commercials for them everyday.
Um, isn't CTV owned by Shaw Media now?
I thought Bell owned it
Oh maybe..I get the conglomerates and takeovers mixed up.
Bell owns CTV. Shaw took over CanWest.
Bell Media owns CTV, further more, Bell Media laid off all its Canadian customer service employees and shipped the Jobs to India, so you know what type of Corporation they are....
I love pissing off the bigot who freaks out every time we point out how hate-based the SA is.
I think she/they got banned, R13. One of them was spreading her foul gas over three or four threads, not just about the SA.
Curiously you left out "former" SA exec. Maybe there is a reason he is as former exec.
Don't flatter yourself you aren't pissing anyone off you are pissing on yourself.
I hope so r14. She was soooo tiresome and determined to control the conversation. I trolldared her and she was all over the catholic threads too, defending the popess.
Uhhh, maybe I was wrong r13. Trolldar it now and see where else it turns up.
How many fucking threads about the Salvation Army have been posted now? A half dozen, maybe? Enough with with shit! Everything's been said about it that can be said. And these fucking threads spawned one of the most atrocious, revolting trolls every to rear his ugly head on Datalounge: Paul Dearheart.
R22 = bigot
In honor of all the annoying Salvation Army threads I've decided to donate $18.00 next time I walk by one.
One of these days hate groups like the Salvation Army will have their charity status pulled, until then the gay community needs to keep standong up against them.
[quote] In honor of all the annoying Salvation Army threads I've decided to donate $18.00 next time I walk by one.
Have already made my anuual donation to the Army and will probably do one more before the year is out just to spite this petty boycott.
Well, R32, aren't you the soul of charity, giving so you can spite someone then brag about it.
Not religious at all, but the one bit of common sense from the Bible is "But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth."
What a sad person r23 and r26 are. Tell me, kind friend, what are you doing to assist the homeless this festive season? The SA does more than any organization out there and all of its donations go towards helping the needy before any admin. costs are factored in. That is remarkable and such a blessing.
Everyone with a heart - pleaser ignore these hateful posts about the SA. Maybe the webbie will get the message and block the users who are posting them. They are trolls.
[quote] such a blessing.
Or Troll. I'm guessing it's a troll looking for a reaction.
Keep the boycott going.
Yes, anyone who doesn't agree with the accepted line of thinking here is a troll.
No darlin', just you.
Ignore the SA defenders. They are all trolls from reich-wing websites.
Ignore us all you want. We will continue to fund the SA's good works.
the bigot is back
R40, I am a regular poster here, and a member of this website's targeted audience: gay people and their allies.
You, on the other hand, are a defender and supporter of a hate-church that discriminates and lobbies against gay people.
YOU are the troll here. You are an outsider trying to demoralize the people for whom this website is intended.
We are not having it, though. Every post you write defending this bigoted church will be met by 20 more attacking you.
I HEART R42
I second R42.
Cunt troll is all over another thread, calling people liars and and then F&Fing anyone who asks them to back up their claim. Oh, they also claim to be a mother. Can you imagine having that as your parent?
Which thread R45?
Nevermind, I found it
I have a feeling they were also on the West Point gay wedding thread. Same exact MO: Gay people need to stop making the old folks uncomfortable by asking for equality. Demands everyone F&F anyone who challenges that notion.
Yes, R48. She knows DL well enough to know what F&F means so she's been around a while.
She reminds me of one who was here last year around the same time. That one was much more outwardly anti-gay, much more hateful. I suspect she's altered here approach in hopes of not getting banned.
[quote] Bell Media laid off all its Canadian customer service employees and shipped the Jobs to India,
Really? AS a current Bell CS employee, this comes as quite a shock to me.
The Salvation Army in Canada is different from the Salvation Army in the USA. The Canadian SA has a comprehensive anti-discrimination policy that includes LGTB issues. What's more, as a religious organization, they have the right to opt out of Canadian Human Rights legislation regarding Gays, and they waive that right.
I don't give to them simply because I believe in helping the poor, not as some religious act, but as a human obligation.
The Salvation Army in Canada does not ban LGBTs because federal law prohibits it. Their charity status would be revoked. It is still the same anti-gay organization. Money given in Canada goes into the general SA pool.
Find a Canadian charity to donate to, don't donate to ANY anti-gay American Evangelical hate groups like the Salvation Army or World Vision.
[quote]The Salvation Army in Canada does not ban LGBTs because federal law prohibits it
No, religious groups have an exemption (i.e. Catholic Church). The Salvation ARmy does not use it's exemption.
The SA does not use its religious exemption in Canada because it already has a rapid anti-gay history in Canada and does not wish to make things even worse. The Canadian Salvation Army used to offer programs to cure homosexuals on the streets of Toronto and refused help to gay street person. Also, anti-gay hiring practices are still in very much in place in Canada as is the promoted internal homophobia. It is just not the official policy waved out in the public eye. More so, The Canadian Salvation Army sends a percentage of its donations back to the US, so you are still very much funding anti-gay bigotry.
R52 Religious cults in Canada certainly do have exemptions from the equality law. Further more, the Canadian Human Rights act is not a legally binding document. It has no power other than political.
Why don't you assholes who hate the Salvation Army just shut the fuck up and don't contribute to it? You all seem like hate-crazed nutjobs. I don't suppose you know how off-putting you are. You're setting a bad example by being so dogmatic and close-minded. Why don't you do something productive and POSITIVE, like shut the fuck up and concentrate on doing something worthwhile like maybe volunteering at a homeless shelter or charity you find acceptable, instead of yammering mindlessly. That would make better use of your time instead of endlessly posting "bigot" and "attacking" posters who disagree with you.
I'll repeat it: why don't you get off your sorry asses and do something positive, like help other people? Or would you rather just sit on your fat rumps and spew vitriol? From what I've seen here, the latter is preferable to most of you. That's so very sad.
"Every post you write defending this bigoted church will be met by 20 more attacking you'
You sound very and hostile and unhappy. Maybe you ought to get some help for that.
The world will always be full of bigoted organizations passing themselves off as charities, like the Salvation Army. But they should not get tax breaks.
Pull the Salvation Armys tax status and then, they can hate whomever they choose for all eternity.
Taxpayers should not be forced to fund anti-gay bigotry.
[quote]You sound very and hostile and unhappy. Maybe you ought to get some help for that.
Maybe you ought to stop posting at a website where you clearly don't belong.
r57 nails it.
"Maybe you ought to stop posting at a website where you clearly don't belong"
So you're saying this is a website where if you don't agree with the herd you "don't belong?" That is so...BIGOTED. Fuck you, bigot.
R60 is at a high risk of being the next person to run into a school and shoot 27 kids, for Jesus of course.
[quote]Why don't you assholes who hate the Salvation Army just shut the fuck up and don't contribute to it?
Because when you see an organization supporting discrimination and bigotry, speaking out about it is an appropriate, even praiseworthy, action.
[quote]You all seem like hate-crazed nutjobs.
LOL.... Well, sure, if you're an idiot.
[quote]I don't suppose you know how off-putting you are.
As compared to this charm offensive of yours? You should be more careful of those stones you're throwing.
[quote]You're setting a bad example by being so dogmatic and close-minded.
Yeah, we're funny that way: we just don't like bigotry and discrimination. What a bad example we're setting in speaking out like that. Bad gays; no biscuit!
[quote]Why don't you do something productive and POSITIVE, like shut the fuck up and concentrate on doing something worthwhile like maybe volunteering at a homeless shelter or charity you find acceptable, instead of yammering mindlessly.
Since quite a few people have already pointed out that they do, forgive us if we take this as the overheated drama queen hyperbole that it is.
[quote]That would make better use of your time instead of endlessly posting "bigot" and "attacking" posters who disagree with you.
You mean like you're doing? So you're saying we *shouldn't* follow your example? Have I got that right?
[quote]I'll repeat it: why don't you get off your sorry asses and do something positive, like help other people? Or would you rather just sit on your fat rumps and spew vitriol?
Oh, the irony....
[quote]From what I've seen here, the latter is preferable to most of you. That's so very sad.
We're touched by your concern. That's just so awful that we've made you sad. Now we'll be depressed and up all night worrying about that.
The Salvation Army is a hate group.
I walked by some female bell ringers today and gave a couple bucks to a hobo on the corner instead, the female ringers just shrugged and looked at each other.
I refuse to become a victim of my own generosity.
SO what you are saying r54 is that I am right.
We should really go after the businesses which allow this anti-gay group in the door to collect money in the first place.
R62 = the virgin queen Paulie Dearheart
These threads amuse me so much. So much fire and fury against the Salvation Army - a quaint organization that only wants to feed the hungry and clothe the needy.
I have contributed to them for the past several years and will continue to contribute to them. I know my donations make a difference and could care less about their politics. They do God's work and that is all that matters in my book.
Now resume your petty flames and propaganda.
[quote] I have contributed to them for the past several years and will continue to contribute to them. I know my donations make a difference and could care less about their politics.
Yes, dear @ r69, we know how you feel. LOL.
[quote]So much fire and fury against the Salvation Army - a quaint organization that only wants to feed the hungry and clothe the needy.
HOMOSEXUALS SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH according to the Salvation Army Handbook.
Andrew Craib, a senior Australian Salvation Army media relations officer has just said on radio that he acts in line with the Salvation Army Handbook which talks of the 'evils' of homosexuality. When challenged on his adherence to the handbook’s ancient scripture passages, Craib’s response was: "Well, that's part of our belief system".
Craib went on to say homosexuality is a "choice" and needs to be resisted, saying that it's just like the choice to drink alcohol.
[quote] Yes, dear @ [R69], we know how you feel. LOL.
People who defend the Salvation Army on DL don't have a problem with the SA putting gays to death.
That is the entire point here.
"People who defend the Salvation Army on DL don't have a problem with the SA putting gays to death."
How many gays have the SA put to death? I must have missed that. Please supply names and dates and methods of execution. I'm sure you can do that, can't you? You just said the SA puts gays to death; I'm sure you have tons of information to back up your statement that the SA executes gays.
Well? I'm waiting.
Well considering that there's no such thing as god R68, you should be locked up in a mental hospital just for believing in an imaginary sky fairy.
Don't forget the Salvation Army!
Always remember your Donut Girl!
She brought them donuts and coffee,
just like an angel, she was their best friend!
As brave as a lion, but meek as a lamb, she carried in to win the fight for Uncle Sam!
So, don't forget the Salvation Army, remember your Donut Girl!
Eurovision just gave this hate group the victory.
I guess Eurovision is a Catholic Church controlled organization.