Its the hats that make them all seem so dated. When they are in their houses without the hats (and gloves) they all look fairly modern in dress.
Who is the costume designer? I missed the opening credits.
I'm glad it wasn't Orry-Kelly. He's my favorite Hollywood costume designer and I'm relieved to know these lesser designs aren't his.
Perhaps Adrian deliberately went lower drawer in service of the story.
Oh l'amour l'amour!
When I worked retail I liked to say "Might I be of assistance?" just like Joan Crawford.
The fashion show -- in color -- in the middle is so random and unnecessary.
R11 did you rub perfume in the crook of your elbow for married men to smell?
When colour was more of a novelty the fashion show must have had a Wizard of Oz effect but it does look silly.
The man who can explain how he loves his wife and also loves the other woman is gonna get that prize they hand out every year in Sweden...
I like the random fashion show!!
Our new one piece lace foundation garment! Zips up the back and no bones!
HATED. THIS. MOVIE.
R17 Did you prefer the Meg Ryan/Debra Messing version?
"You should have licked that girl where she licked you . . .".
It frightens me when you mention that, R18.
"Really, something ought to be done to protect New York!"
And "The Wizard of Oz" starts in a few minutes, and "Liz and Dick" later.
WTF is it a gay holiday and nobody told me?
Apparently, Adrian was pushed by MGM to go to the limits with not only the fashion show but with all of the costumes in the hopes of predicting the latest Paris trends by the time the film appeared.
Unfortunately, Hitler and the Occupation of Paris got in the way of the latest Paris trends and Adrian looked like a fool.
I know it's popular with gays and all, but it was really Norma Shearer at her worst - mannered and hammy, using all of her old tricks from her silent films days and talking at the same time. Exhausting. Joan Fontaine went to school with Jennifer Jones - Our Lady of Fluttery Mannerisms.
Della, with which of the women do you most closely identify and why?
R18 - the Norma Shearer version. I started a Netflix account and specifically got it as one of my first movies. I thought I should catch up on the movies that people kept mentioning here. (I don't get TCM in my cable package.)
Sorry, but I hated it.
Thankfully the other movie I got was "Outrage". That was a good movie.
"L'amour! L'amour!" Indeed. L'amour le merrier!
Get me a bromide...!
...And put some gin in it!!!
L'amour, l'amour, that's French for love.
Give me a bromide - and put some gin in it!
This is a classic. Yes, Shearer and Fontaine and the actress who played little Mary are unberarable at times with their overacting. But the dialogue is outstanding, Russell and Goddard are great, and it all in all great fun.
I wish I had known this was on. I would have made Pancakes Barbara!
I had forgotten that Joan Fontaine was in The Women. I finally watched Suspicion tonight for the first time and loved it.
Phyllis Povah, who plays the perennially pregnant Mrs. Phelps (Edith) Potter, was the one holdover from the original Broadway cast. I'm sure Cukor and Metro knew they could never cast that rather unflattering (but delectable) role with anyone in their stable of stars.
Arlene Francis was also in the Broadway cast playing several small roles but she didn't make it to Hollywood.
The best line from the original Clare Booth Luce script for Broadway was cut. It was said by Sylvia (Roz Russell) when she looked at Crystal (Joan Crawford) as she emerged from her bath tub:
"Why Crystal, I always assumed you were a natural blonde!"
And it wasn't cut because Crawford was a brunette.
I agree with R25 about Shearer, she was really bad in this. Crawford, on the other hand, was at her best.
Joan Crawford was delicious in this.
Crawford is so wonderful that she more than makes up for Shearer's mannered nobility. Of course Stephen was looking for fun after ten years of you! I don't mind Fontaine's fluttery qualities because it works for her dippy ding-a-ling character.
Crawford, Russell, Goddard and La Countess are more than enough to make it work.
With Marjorie Main! Also from the stage production.
What is the name of the actress who plays Nancy, the author who is invited to Mary's tea party, says: I ought to go to you for my plots,then Nuts? and then disappears until the final scene?
She must have been somewhat important because she is seen in group photo ops of all the picture's stars.
r26- a combination of the gossipy, bean-spilling manicurist and the manager of the gown store where wife and the "other woman" come face-to-face.
Yes, Joan Crawford's Crystal is the most interesting character here.
Forgot to add, r26, I really don't identify with any of the main characters here.
I do, however, know these types of women in real life. I admire their frautastic ability to do what it takes to obtain and maintain their "positions"; I just don't have those survival skills.
I think it is one the funniest wittiest films ever made, still funny and relevant over 70 years later!.
Well, it was my birthday, R23!
The remake with Jada Pinkett Smith and Bette Midler is much better than the original.
Sure, R47. What u smokin'?
R41 that is Florence Nash who did some work on Broadway and just 3 movies.
She may look familiar to some of us because she is the sister of Mary Nash who played the evil Fraulein Rottenmeier in Shirley Temple's HEIDI and the mother of Katharine Hepburn in THE PHILADELPHIA STORY.
There is a definite family resemblance. I love the way she lit and held her cigarette in her first scene in THE WOMEN.
[quote]evil Fraulein Rottenmeier
I think this is the first time I've seen a DL reference to "Fraulein". I'm so used to "Frau."
I like Dennie Moore as Olga, who sets the whole plot in motion
Thanks r49. Florence Nash as the lady author is clearly meant to be a lesbian to those viewers who are not blind.
Is she even more overtly written as a lesbian in the play?
Also starring Hedda Hopper as gossip columnist Dolly dePyster.
Was Hedda actually a columnist in real life by then?
"I had a rather gloomy letter from home today. My little sister, she's not feeling very well."
"What's the matter with her? She gotta hangover?"
"One more treatment and she won't have a hair left on her head!" "Well, she's got plenty on her arms, baby!"
Why that old gasoline truck! She's 60 if she's a minute!
Will I find anything in that icebox of yours? Yeah, cobwebs and a bottle of gin!
She thinks that because Lulu's dark, he won't see her!
Listen, so help me I'm gonna slug you.
Get me a bromine. And put some gin in it!!
She's content to be what she is. A women. And what are we? Females.
This is probably one of Crawford's best performances ever. And she had to lobby hard to get the part.
I admire the way Norma Shearer chomps on a celery stalk at her luncheon party. Not only does it show us how Mary retains her girlish figure by subsisting on raw vegetables while her guests fatten themselves on salted nuts and cream cheese sandwiches, it also allows her to make the life-like gesture of tucking a morsel of half-chewed food to one side of her mouth as she speaks the line, "Black's . . . Olga . . . Jungle Red . . . I'll remember."
The dramatic irony is that this utterly informal pronouncement foreshadows the arrival (via Olga) of dead-serious news that she will truly never forget.
I always assumed that by the time Shearer made this film (just a few years before she retired) she knew she was parodying her "Great Lady" persona and just went along with the fun.
Cheap Chinese embroidery!
And by the time Joan Fontaine was cast in The Women, she'd been hanging around Hollywood for several years without any great success as a leading lady so she seemed to feel it safe to play the silly fluttery ding-a-ling.
Little did she know that Rebecca, Suspicion and an Oscar were only a year or two away.
"There's a name for you cunts, but it isn't used outside of a kennel."
Though anachronistically funny, that movie gives me a headache. Not much has changed, but these womens' entire lives revolve around a man approving of them. When his adoration appears to be flagging, they collapse in a puddle of tears.
Is it "l'amour"- or codependence?
[R63] Your observation was right on, except for Mary's line. It was "Sidney's, Olga, Jungle Red. I'll remember". Not "Black's". That was the store where Krystal Allen worked. Mary never went in there. But Sylvia and Edith went in there to snoop on Krystal. Sidney's was the salon where Olga worked.
And another thing! I think this bathroom is perfectly ridiculous! Good night, Krystal!
[quote]Not much has changed, but these womens' entire lives revolve around a man approving of them.
For what it's worth, the unseen men all seem determined to be attached to a woman as well. Stephen Haines marries Crystal the minute he's divorced from Mary and he returns to Mary when his marriage to Crystal falls apart.
Howard Fowler buys off Sylvia to be with Miriam "Vanities" Aarons (a sly reference to Earl Carroll's Vanities, a stage show that featured topless women.) Buck Winston lives off The Countess de Lave but sees Crystal on the side. Peggy's husband seems as tearfully dependent on her as she is on him. Edith's husband can't stop impregnating her. The Men seem no less needy than The Women.
Oh, I wouldn't think that one suggested your personality at all. It's called "Oomph."
No one ever answered the question at R53 about Hedda Hopper. Yes, Hopper's gossip column debuted on Valentine's Day, 1938. Although she made over 100 movies, she was never a very good actress. She tended to over-do, including in THE WOMEN which started filming a full year after Hopper began her notorious career in print.
Airing on TCM December 28th
"Living alone has its compensations! Heaven knows it's marvelous being able to spread out in bed like a swastika!"
R74, you're wrong- it airs on TCM December 29th, not the 28th.
Joan Crawford said that behind the scenes it was a like a fucking zoo at times. If you let your guard down one single minute, you'd be eaten alive. Hilarious! George Cukor ran the set like a boot camp. He kept the cast occupied at all times.
The supporting cast was just as delicious as the main stars. Oh, the dialog!
Middle Aged Matron: "Men. That's all they want!"
Lingerie Model: "What else have we got to give?"
House Servant: "My boyfriend says I have the face of Jeanette MacDonald"
Cook: "Did he see your legs?"
Most of the dialog was from the Clair Luce play but much of it was written by Anita Loos, often right on the set.
If Jean Harlow had lived, she would have been perfect as Crystal, much better than Joan Crawford.
Pour Flora another little drrrrinky...
L'amour l'amour, toujours l'amour...
Someone get me a bromide...and put some gin in it!
I bet you married yours for character...and where did it get you? On the train to Reno!
It's on now!
Oh shit. Not goddamn Pancakes Barbara again. Mary is such a predictable bitch. No wonder Stephen left her.
R82 is right.
I can't believe you all hated Norma. She was totally doing a send up of her self and her goody-goody image.
An image she was okay with messing with cause she knew she was leaving films.
Please don't judge her acting by this one film. Check her out in "Private Lives" or "The Divorcee."
Who was the bigger whore: Crystal Allen or Cristal Conners?
It's BACK! 10PM Eastern/7PM Pacific tonight! (Preceded by the currently showing dyke classic "The Children's Hour.")
Did the original play include the fashion show sequence? I saw a local small theater production of it a few years ago, and they did include it, but I wondered if that was because they were trying to showcase the fact that the costume guy had recently found a treasure trove of '30s fashions.
Well, if Stephen doesn't like anything I'm wearing, I take it off!
I thought this thread was going to be about the Village People song. Disappointing.
Please, Joan Crawford was perfect in this picture. For some reason, she was able to play a gold digging whore very well.
So what was the deal with using those animals to introduce the characters? Can you imagine them doing something like that today -- with the COW, especially?