Middle aged straight women ... And the stars they love
What's the deal?
Adam Lambert, Clay Aiken, Robert Pattinson, Justin Beiber. The Twilight series, 50 Shades of Gray, etc...
Is this something new, because I couldn't imagine my mom being obsessed with this sort thing in her 30's or 40's. She watched a soap opera, but that's about it. I'd have been so embarrassed if she was going to Duran Duran and Billy Idol concerts and crying over them.
Why are so many women that age acting like teen girls?
Your mom couldn't leave the kitchen because society wouldn't let her. She had to be Donna Reed. But inside, OP? She was headbanging in a mosh pit.
Because they're married to straight men who don't romance or show them affection, except maybe on Valentine's Day because they have to.
sports, beer, wham bam thank you ma'am, snore
New kids on the block concerts.
I doubt any older women were at NKOTB concerts.
I don't understand it either, OP, but I am curious about the reason for it.
r4's dumb "explanation" really isn't one because it provides no reason for why the crap that middle aged straight women are interested in are all for and/or marketed to actual teenage girls. A husband who is tired of them doesn't explain why a grown ass woman would care an iota about Justin Beaver or Taylor Swift.
It's because Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift, fot examples, are fun, upbeat, lively, and entertaining and make a person of any age who enjoys them feel young at heart, uplifted, and even full of excitement and joy at times.
And Taylor Swift puts on a very elaborate show, as does Justin Bieber. They both use stagecraft well.
R8 is a 43 year old woman wearing eye glitter and an Adam Lambert t shirt.
It's only something that seems to have happened in the last ten or fifteen years
Only a tiny minority of straight women are nuts about the boys on the OPs list. But since we're sharing the internet with them, and we're a bunch of catty bitches, we're much more aware of them than their numbers warrant. I'm sure a few always existed, but the internet has allowed them to find each other and become more public.
Most adult straight women don't actually crush on media figures. If they aren't nuts about their husbands, they fixate on the cute guy two cubicles down, or some other real person.
I blame Oprah....not sure why BUT I think it is her fault.
Why do you CARE? As a lesbian I don't give a shit what stars straight middle age men love. Why are gay men so obsessed with women? Get a fucking life.
Who says lesbians are cranky and hostile all the time? Oh my r13....you sound like fun.
My theory is that film geared to adult audiences cater almost exclusively to hetero male desire, hence films usually cast an average joe middle aged guy with a supermodel in her 20s. Think about being a middle aged woman going with her husband to movie after movie with the above scenario. However, teen girls and young women are a target audience that gets to actually see young beautiful men is the media created for their consumption. Think about the Twilight franchise casting versus most mainstream movies made for a general audience.
OP, I'm a middle-aged straight woman who has never seen Twilight, heard a Justin/Clay/Taylor song and have no clue who Adam Lambert is but, then again, I'm not a frau.
Fuck you, OP. I'm a middle aged woman, ok, not straight, but still. I don't like any of that shit.
R18 here again, I agree with R13. What about all the stupid kids the eldergays obsess over, Channing Tatum, and the others with interchangeable stupid names who I don't care about and don't know. Just as bad. Same exact thing.
Women have bad taste. Point blank period.
Of course here at DL you'll have female posters say they don't like that stuff and it's misogyny to say this, blah, blah, blah. Well, you're in the minority. 50 Shades of Crap has sold over 40 million copies.
Bullshit. You can name one bad taste move in the history of womanhood, and about a hundred million that men have perpetrated.
I'll give you a few off the top of my head:
Three: Pro Wrestling.
This has been going on for decades.
I'm kind of old and so was my Mom but I remember she watch Liberaci.
I know a 40 year old woman taking her 5 year old to see Justin Beiber...is she going because of her kid, or because SHE really wants to see Bieber? Why would a five year old care about Beiber?
Those things must be camp for straight women.
I've seen Swift and Beiber 'sing' live (badly) at some show I got a free ticket too. Swift is a shitty singer, 'songwriter' and musician. I have no idea why any middle aged woman would like her. Beiber is just hype.
Re: 50 Shades of Gray and Twilight. That's just unexplanable unless it's about some boring looking looking hooking a supposed hottie and maybe that's what the straight frauen fantasize about. My male trainer who's as straight Dominican guy read 50 Shades of Gray b/c he thought it would give him ideas for his gf. I'm assuming that book is read by men and women who are vanilla who think they are reading porn. It's not just middle aged women buying that crap.
Everyone likes something or someone talentless and campy. The only time it's sad is when the person doesn't understand that who/what they like is talentfree or manufactored or campy.
loves Britney Spears dance music and yeah I know she's a shitty singer
[quote]You can name one bad taste move in the history of womanhood
Hey stupid, OP posted more than one example.
Besides, 50 Shades of Crap is fucking dildo made porn. Crappy porn but porn nonetheless. The stuff you listed is legitimate entertainment/sports available for the whole family. I'm sure all the Fraus who bought 50 Shades of Crap are reading chapters from that to their kids before going to sleep.
Ha. Like gay men don't have atrocious taste in music.
[quote] it is called frauism and it is ruining the world.
Yeah, that's what's ruining the world, frauism.
Why is a 40 year old woman acquiescing to a 5 year old who wants to go to what I assume is an evening concert that will get the kid home around 11:00 p.m.?
OP, the only one I'm a fan of from that list is Adam Lambert who I think is phenomenal in every way (and hot).
I don't see how being a fan of someone who's a great singer and performer is the same as being obsessed with someone on screen (and in the examples you bring - shitty shows with shitty acting) because they are in love with the character or because they think the "actor" is hot.
I also had no idea Beiber and the Twilight "actors" had any fans beyond 20 (or 25 for the actors).
[quote]One word: LIBERACE. This has been going on for decades.
At least Liberace was age-appropriate.
Part of feminism is for women to act like lovestruck fools in public.
Football, NASCAR, and wrestling have entertainment value? Ha! If they do, so do Bieber and friends.
r18/19 = Ellen DeGeneres
[quote]It's only something that seems to have happened in the last ten or fifteen years
When Moms decided they were "more" than Moms (but still wanted to be seen as Holy Mothers of Spawn)
An aunt was totally infatuated with Barry Manilow. Yes, she knew he was gay but she said she never intended to act on her crush anyway so what difference did it make. He made her feel special and her self-centered husband couldn't be bothered.
I can't speak to an adult woman crushing on Justin Bieber. That one is a little too strange for me.
Guys like porn women like romance and/or erotica. I don't see porn being held up to the same "quality" standards so let's just say people watch/read what they find entertaining/pleasurable/exciting.
Because they are mentally and emotionally retarded.
Women always were more than mothers, cooks, maids, etc. Sensationalized media drags extramartial activities into the mental consciousness of husbands and sons.
The frau empowering media also gives comfort to single women which carries them beyond hoarding cats.
Gay men = MYSOGYNIST
Women pay back.No to gay marriage ((:
When did women in their 30s or 40s start to be labeled middle aged? When I was a kid, people in their 50s were considered middle aged, that applied to men and women.
Who knows why older str8 women enjoy the crap which passes for entertainment these days. Looking for their lost youth, never having a youth due to having too many responsibilities while growing up and perhaps wanting one now?
"50s Shades Of Grey" is a poorly written book essentially about rape and overpowering a woman, is this really what str8 women long for? Dominance? Really?!! So much for Women's Lib!
Perhaps if some of these fraus hadn't stopped working as soon as they married, then started pumping out babies, and remained less dependent on a man, they wouldn't be so obsessed with hobbies which are too youthful.
Most of these fraus, who no longer work outside the home, seem to live vicariously through their husbands and their kids, if they didn't do this, perhaps they would have been more in touch with the real world and still have a sense of independence.
Taking care of babies, kids and running a household is very aging and mind numbing. I guess these fraus take their escapism in any form they can get? That might explain why so many are huge fans of crap fiction, bad fashion and lousy pop music.
It's because they all bought into the stupid 'mommy club' and when their kids grew up and left, they reverted back to what they missed out on. Pathetic and ugly.
Are grown up men of this generation really all that different? Comic books and movies based on them, air guitar contests, Adam Sandler's career...? Being a kidult has become a norm in today's culture.
Justin Bieber = Perfect material for a teen lesbian crush.
Media encourages adults to nurture their inner kid mentality (for profit, of course).
It's not considered odd for men to have crushes on younger and augmented-breasted women. That's considered normal for that subset of the species. Think about the ramifications of plastic titties. That's a genuine oddity.
Men aren't generally known for their refined taste. Football, poker, beer, the latest adolescent male fantasy movie, strange and bizarre male rituals are their idea of a good time.
Why do we judge women so much more harshly than men?
As for 50 Shades of Gray, the women I know who are enthralled with it have never read erotic literature beyond the kind of dirty talk that's more likely to appeal to men. It's woman-approved and hopefully it will open new sexual vistas for them that don't include rape.
[quote]Perhaps if some of these fraus hadn't stopped working as soon as they married, then started pumping out babies, and remained less dependent on a man, they wouldn't be so obsessed with hobbies which are too youthful.
Yes, because so many families have this economic luxury.
[quote]As for 50 Shades of Gray, the women I know who are enthralled with it have never read erotic literature beyond the kind of dirty talk that's more likely to appeal to men. It's woman-approved and hopefully it will open new sexual vistas for them that don't include rape.
I've noticed the same thing, the women that think it's great generally haven't read much erotica before.
When DL started a thread on One Dimension, I googled You Tube to check them out, like many others following the latest "media sensation." Once was enough; they aren't singers, in my book. At least Josh Groban had a soulful voice and an emotional connection to each song. Some women who followed Josh wanted to relive their teen years, especially if they felt that they missed out for whatever reasons. Nostalgia tours, like for The Beach Boys, don't appeal to those fantasizing about what it would be like to be young, cute or handsome, and heavily marketed as "next big thing."
Same stars are loved by gay men, which proves that frauen and gays are alike.
r49, I think you mean One Direction. Though I am curious what kind of boyband you found googling One Dimension *lol*.
r19 middle aged straight women are responsible for Channing Tatum. Not us.
[quote] It's woman-approved
What does that even mean?
[quote]I'm sure all the Fraus who bought 50 Shades of Crap are reading chapters from that to their kids before going to sleep.
What do their kids have to do with anything? What century are you posting from, R26? Are you a member of the Taliban?
Helloooooo.......here in the US in 2012, women, even Moms, ((gasp)) are allowed to read raunchy porn whenever the fuck they feel like it.
BTW---do you let your nieces and nephews watch your collection of gay porn, R26? You probably do because you consider it "high art."
R53, I would have thought it was obvious but here goes. "Woman-approved" means that women at work, at the hairstylist, at lunch, at the kid's soccer game (I could go on but maybe you're getting the idea by now?) are all talking about how much they enjoyed this book.
There. Woman-approved. How difficult was that?
Wow r13 and r18 are reinforcing the militant angry lesbian stereotypes or are they parody posts?
"Why are so many women that age acting like teen girls?"
They're not. You're making generalizations.
For instance, most Bieber fans are little girls, not grown women.
And as for 50 Shades of Grey...how is it any different from Danielle Steel novels or the Judith Krantz crap that was popular in the 80s?
"Women have bad taste. Point blank period."
And men don't? LOL. Who do you think is the target audience for action movies?
"Women have bad taste. Point blank period."
Considering most porn made for straight men with overbleached silicone freak women, I'd venture to say that men have bad taste.
[quote]And as for 50 Shades of Grey...how is it any different from Danielle Steel novels or the Judith Krantz crap that was popular in the 80s?
I'm no expert, having read part of a Danielle Steel novel, none of Judith Krantz and none of 50 Shades of Gray, but it's my understanding that 50 Shades is far more graphic. Also, it's not a novel that includes some sex but rather a lot of sex with some words wrapped around it.
First, the Fifty Shades of Gray thing is not new. Romance novels are huge sellers with women. They are essentially chick porn... bad boy who has some fatal flaw that only the love of a good woman can cure. Hot sex or not so hot sex surrounded by a story that provides what women want...to be so special and possess some sort of devil vagina magic that can reform even the worst of men.
Second, and I am a 40 year old woman who wants to fuck Jack White not Justin Beiber, is that the mothers of my daughters friends want to be a part of their daughters lives in a much more intimate way than my mother wanted to be a part of my life. They focus their enitre existence on providing entertainment for their kids and their friends because in order to be popular, girls have to offer their friends some sort of incentive. The popularity of their kids is paramount... dance classes, gymnastics classes, expensive clothes, the best cars, the right boys even promoting sex with their daughters. The need to live vicariously through their daughters is insane. Eventually, they are so consumed with this adolescent life that they are unable to even discern what is age appropriate.
I should note that this is a suburban, white woman problem. I live in an affluent suburban area, and this is endemic. My friends who did not move into the burbs are much more interested in getting their kids to move into their realm of culture versus slipping into their kids' worlds.
fuck yeah frau!
So true, R60. I saw the tail end of a panel discussion on TV recently where a mother said she had quit being her kids' #1 fan. She said she finally realized she was giving her kids a negative message because they thought she had nothing better to do than always being part of the audience for everything they did.
She decided to emulate her husband, who was only there when he had nothing better to do.
My parents always told us they were individuals first, a married couple second and parents third.
None of this is any trashier than the stuff str8 men do. But str8 men's trashy activities and desires are considered "masculine" and therefore admirable and above reproach.
But R62, let's consider 50 shades. That's mummy porn. Now men don't go around showing everyone the porn they're watching. Fraus hang around to talk about 50 shades, are not ashamed to buy the book set in front of their children, read that filth in a public bus.
r13 speaks the truth. Lesbians are better than gay men and this thread tells it better than anything. They're even better at being gay. Female homosexuality is about being attracted to the same sex and male homosexuality is about hating the opposite sex.
[quote]Female homosexuality is about being attracted to the same sex and male homosexuality is about hating the opposite sex.
R64, of course lesbian don't hate the opposite sex. They just LOVE them to bits.
[quote]But [R62], let's consider 50 shades. That's mummy porn. Now men don't go around showing everyone the porn they're watching. Fraus hang around to talk about 50 shades, are not ashamed to buy the book set in front of their children, read that filth in a public bus.
As opposed to men who, instead of reading on the bus, leer at women's boobs while fondling themselves.
A is to B as
C is to D
Reading porn in public is to watching porn in public as
Staring deeply into your man's eyes obviously thinking about fucking him is to fucking him in public.
You know that the couple deeply into each other, touching on the subway are fucking. You even have proof positive that a pregant woman got fucked very recently. People even sometimes have conversations about how hot the sex they are having is... describing their man's body, his dick. Is this the same as this person publically fucking.
No. Get over it. Who cares what they are reading. Stop being information police. So your porn is better then their porn. Who gives a shit? As long as no one is jerking off, who really cares what is happening in their mind?
fuck yeah frau!
[quote]of course lesbian don't hate the opposite sex. They just LOVE them to bits.
Give me one thread started by a lesbian about straight men here that's the equivalent of this. You can't and that proves my point right there.
"Now men don't go around showing everyone the porn they're watching. Fraus hang around to talk about 50 shades, are not ashamed to buy the book set in front of their children, read that filth in a public bus."
So what if they do? Do you read over their shoulders just so you can get offended or something?
Look, the only difference between "Gray" and all the erotic fan fiction and romance novels that came before it is: a hell of a good publicist. There are millions of works like it available, free online and in cheapass paperbacks. But some genius of a publicist has convinced the world it's something special, and just scandalous enough to be cool.
They're singlehandedly keeping Johnny Depp's career going.
It's all part of the infantilization of society. All of OP's examples are accurate, and analogous to middle-aged men playing video games and reading comic books. Teenagers are the primary focus of marketers, so our world is set up to encourage our tastes to remain as juvenile as possible.
Just like dogs are bred and socialized to remain at the puppy stage for their entire lives, modern humankind is pushed to remain perpetually adolescent. This makes us enthusiastic consumers and docile laborers. And that's all we're meant to be.
[quote] It's all part of the infantilization of society. All of OP's examples are accurate, and analogous to middle-aged men playing video games and reading comic books. Teenagers are the primary focus of marketers, so our world is set up to encourage our tastes to remain as juvenile as possible. Just like dogs are bred and socialized to remain at the puppy stage for their entire lives, modern humankind is pushed to remain perpetually adolescent. This makes us enthusiastic consumers and docile laborers. And that's all we're meant to be.
Well that certainly explains the adults I know who stood in long lines to buy Harry Potter books for themselves, not children.
[quote][R64], of course lesbian don't hate the opposite sex. They just LOVE them to bits.
Actually, lesbians don't really think about the opposite sex much, if at all. I go to lesbian sites and very, very rarely see a thread about men. Most threads on datalounge are about women. Why is that?
There are legit middle-aged men, some with wives and kids, who either are or were obsessed with "Sam" and "Freddie" from Nick's iCarly show. They all have crushes on the girl who played Sam without exception, and want Sam and Freddie to end up as a couple on the show. They also read and write porn fiction about it.
True, they do deserve to be faulted for that, r70.
But r63? Men talk about ass, tits, pussy, and porn with each other constantly, and it's not always in hushed private conversations where no one else's precious ears can hear. I have cousins who collect Playboys. Any guest who visits their respective apartments will see stacks and stacks of their Playboy magazines proudly displayed in the living room/on the coffee table for anyone to view. They and their friends consider this normal behavior.
Toplessless/nudity/"Page 3 Girls" in mainstream tabloids are a part of the culture in Britain and many countries. And go to Japan sometime - you'd be shocked at what the men go around showing people and the "picture books" they "read" on the subways, and it's a lot worse than anything in 50 Shades of Grey.
Many mainstream Hollywood films are only one step up from porn, featuring plastic, silicone-enhanced teen and twenty-something girls who middle-aged men drool over. Again, this is considered normal.
And that's not even getting into all the juvenile comic books/video game crap.
Men have been doing tacky, trashy, and childish things since the beginning of time, but we're so used to it that we shrug our shoulders and say "boys will be boys," and only think that things are a problem when women start doing them.
Why do you call them "legit," R75?
R77, I wasn't actually calling THEM "legit"...although I guess you could also say that. I guess I meant the equivalent of "for realz."
Thanks, R78. I was wondering if there was something else going on I wasn't aware of.
[quote] of course lesbian don't hate the opposite sex. They just LOVE them to bits.
Especially the lesbians at Michfest. Their love of the opposite sex knows no bounds.
Some of you have reading comprehension problems. Nowhere in the post it say every middle aged woman loves celebrities like this and is obsessed. It just seems like now it happens a lot more than it did 20 years ago.
Remember the Claymates? You never saw women in their 40s and 50s obsessing and freaking out about the Beatles back in the 60s,
r81, I guess you have never seen concert footage of the mostly female fans freaking out whenever The Beatles, The Monkeys, or Elvis entered the stage and performed their songs.
uups, I mean the Monkees, of course.
[quote]I guess you have never seen concert footage of the mostly female fans freaking out whenever The Beatles, The Monkeys, or Elvis entered the stage and performed their songs.
Those were teen girls you fucking moron.
[quote]Female homosexuality is about being attracted to the same sex and male homosexuality is about hating the opposite sex.
If this isn't the dumbest thing I've ever read on this board, it certainly comes close.
I'm a middle aged staigh woman and I don't like any of those things. What I DON'T like is stereotypes. And OP, that's what you're doing, stereotyping woman of middle age.
Oh there are LOTS of middle aged fraus in this thread bitching.
47-year-old Dutch frau who is a "superfan" of the blond teen idol Thomas Berge. He was in his late teens when this show was taped. She is obsessed and borders on stalker-ish.
Do the idiots in this thread who keep inexplicably bringing up car racing and sports realize that the point is that interest in those things is not age inappropriate? A 40 year old man watching cars make an endless left turn is dumb, but it's hardly the same thing as a 40 year old woman who loves entertainment FOR, ABOUT and BY teenagers.
[quote]Female homosexuality is about being attracted to the same sex and male homosexuality is about hating the opposite sex.
Maybe a little bit of both for both. Hate toward women is much more prevalent, though.
[quote] I go to lesbian sites and very, very rarely see a thread about men.
The men/rape threads are not welcomed at our sisters forums. How difficult is that to understand. Mentioning man or men or male or penis is strictly forbidden.
Grown men, on the other hand, have been becoming increasingly more mature on the whole.
Gee, I'm sorry OP. Why don't I just drop dead and make you happy you little shit.
58 year old straight woman
WTF do you care OP if going to an Adam Lambert concert makes some poor woman who spends her days taking care of EVERYONE ELSE but herself makes her happy? Really...wtf do YOU care?
Yeah, men can be immature too, but I wouldn't put video gaming and comic book reading in the same category as drooling over a boy bander.
Let's put it in perspective with a much better comparison. How would you all feel about a teenage girl pop singer having an audience full of leering 45 y/o men? Not so good, huh? You wouldn't be defending these old pervs, you'd want them arrested.
It shouldn't be any different when a middle aged woman pervs on a teenage boy. They are not harmlessly "expressing themselves." It's gross. Sorry. And I say this as a middle aged frau myself. Occasionally I find myself attracted to much younger men (not teenagers though--ick!), but I have enough self awareness to know how inappropriate it is. I would NEVER be out, proud and loud about it.
R96....There is SO MUCH more to male immaturity than video gaming and comic book reading.
And don't the minority of these types of women actually speak out about literally underage guys? Even if not, the creepiness has to be on par. There are countless schizoid yet cognizant-enough men that twitter stalk the underage girls.
Furthermore, do you think the nude underage celebrity fakes are mostly of womens' doings? Uh, think again. And their lawyers go after that garbage.
I wouldn't say that the obsession of some 40 year old housewife with a boybander is "perving" on him or young guys in general. The reason such crushes develop are precisely because they stand no chance of turning into anything sexual or resembling a serious, adult relationship. It's a safe fantasy which compensates for the lack or fear of something real.
They love to go see a Jennifer Aniston rom-com, and finish the night with a dinner at some mediocre restaurant/bar chain like The Olive Garden and TGIFridays.
Yeah, why can't it be like the good old days when they knew their only interests could be baking, sewing, raising children, and looking pretty for their husbands. Don't fill your pretty little heads with things like "hobbies" or "fantasies" or "fun". That floor isn't going to wax itself, Kitten.
It's not new.
They used to go to Tom Jones and Englebert Humperdink concerts. And most of Liberace's shows were packed with middle aged women in the audience.
[quote]Yeah, men can be immature too, but I wouldn't put video gaming and comic book reading in the same category as drooling over a boy bander.
You're wrong. It's much the same with men, if not worse. Add games-with-balls obsessions and hero-worship of sports figures as the pursuits of an embarrassingly prolonged adolescence. Also, you could look at "Maxim" and other magazines (as well as almost everywhere else) to see the category of older men publicly drooling over young girls quite plainly. Middle-aged women don't have that much spare time.
To the kid who asked why 30's and 40's are now considered middle-aged, it's really the 40's not the 30's. It ought to be the 30's because a great many people die in their 60's and 70's. People living into their 80's and 90's is less common.
Sinatra, think about it.
As someone stated before, some middle aged women live through their teen daughters.
I know a late 30's woman who devotes her whole life to her teen daughters. Which I guess is normal but she also obsesses over that pasty Pattinson? Patterson guy from Twightlight. She has his face as a screen saver, has a calendar of his pictures, his pic is on her ipod, etc. Once, I expressed curiosity about it since it was so prevalent in her workspace. She turned into a teenaged girl explaining "Well, I like the kind of person he is, I like how he feels about things and how he expresses himself. He's a great, geniune person".
I thought maybe this kid cured cancer or something. It just seemed excessive for a mother of teens to like a scrawny, pasty, 20 something guy like him.
[quote]Once, I expressed curiosity about it since it was so prevalent in her workspace. She turned into a teenaged girl explaining "Well, I like the kind of person he is, I like how he feels about things and how he expresses himself. He's a great, geniune person".
And that's typically the answer you'd get from a teen girl describing her crush. It's creepy in an adult. They are in a phase of arrested development. Normal women don't act like this.
R19 Because OP is TOTALLY wrong....it's straight teenagers who love Robert Pattinson, Justin Beiber, The Twilight series, and 50 Shades of Gray. OP is just a confused one.
Wait, wait, wait. Middle aged men indeed are sexually obsessed with equally loser-y tween girl celebs. OP might just not have come into contact with those from that culture. It's much darker, in my opinion.
Before Sinatra, there was Rudolf Valentino. Before him, the "matinee idol", like John Barrymore. Plays go back to Shakespeare or even the Greeks, maybe there were examples then of swooning females, even shockingly over the age of 40.
Crushes for women are similar to porn for men. Men are visual and don't need any "romantic" or faux romantic content to get off. (in general - of course there are exceptions)
Who cares? Is porn uplifting and high-brow? Is animalistic. And crushes are idiotic. At least women are far less violent with their aberrations.
R109, you obviously didn't read most of this thread.
OP is talking about 40 year old women who are into stuff marketed to teens. Rudolph Valentino wasn't marketed to teens back in the day.
Who cares who they pick, R110? In the 1960's it was Barnabas Collins the vampire. Wasn't that marketed to teens (as well as anybody else who wanted to turn on the television?)
Do you think the producers of Twilight believe that 100% of their market is teen girls? I know loads of older women who love it. They can buy the books, they can read, they can go to the films, so shit, it's marketed to them too.
Old men fantasize about young girls. Do you think strip clubs are only guys in their 20's? Is that inappropriate in your mind? Are strip clubs only marketed to straight MEN under 30 because otherwise that would be inappropriate.
Priests doddle little boys and have done for centuries. Women fantasize about screwing teenaged boys and men in their 20's and you're clutching your pearls like it threatens fucking civilization.
The entertainment industry, and those young equally idiotic "idols", are very grateful for your money, Grandma. Keep it coming!
R111 you lack complete logic.
You're comparing apples and oranges.
Men going to see young strippers is not the same as teens going to see Twilight. Oy!!!
"Lad" magazines, "breastaurants", fantasy sports leagues... the list is endless, really. Men have many outlets for their silliness.
R110, That makes it even worse for men, because that means they also go for things that are marketed to teen girls.
Comic book movies are definitely marketed to teens, and grown men show up to those things in droves. Many are obsessed with them.
R112: What's wrong with this logic:
Old men going to see teenaged girl strippers is the almost exactly the same thing as old women going to see teenaged boy bands.
Men and women just take their sex-titillation in different forms, because of different hormones and brain formations. They're both staring a young, good looking people, wishing they could get some.
The men probably can (maybe aided by Viagara), provided they have the money, but if they don't have the money, unless they get violent, they're in the same predicament as the old women. So they masturbate thinking of those young sexy bodies (singing or dancing), and women masturbate thinking of young sexy bodies (singing or dancing).
Men watching porn = men watching strip shows
I agree with you, fraus are creepy but I don't like people who exploit them, for instance closeted gay actors.
If you take (most of anyway, the)sexual titillation out of the equation and focus on only the music though, there are a lot of middle aged women who really are into the teen crap, male OR female artists whereas middle aged spouses of this group are probably into the headbanger shit of their youth or possibly 20 year old rap. It's fucking awful to encounter and realize that it exists to the degree it does. It's really nothing new though and has been going on since Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys et al emerged in the 90s. It keeps getting worse though.
I have never met a middle aged straight woman who liked Justin Beiber. In fact none of them like the people you listed, they are more into the nostalgia of the people they liked in the 80's.
Plenty of middle aged gay men gush endlessly about young porn stars. They know endless details about them and start threads like porn stars doing gay and straight porn. Also considering the extended adolescent that many, many gay men engage in I don't think there's any room for the superior tone this little thread has taken. Most of you have your own deeply embarrassing obsessions.
I think it's misogyny. People seem to think it's more disgusting for an older woman to be interested in a much younger sex object, but they shrug and expect it from an older man.
Fraus don't realize how pathetic they are and above all how they are despised by young and handsome men, especially if closeted. We simply use them to reach our goals.
R122, That statement makes you categorically worse than the most Republicany Republican your little mind could imagine.
R109 is correct, take a look at descriptions of middle-aged Roman matrons lusting after famous young gladiators, celebrated war heroes, pretty actors. Middle-aged Roman men were doing exactly the same thing.
It's natural for older people to lust after those who represent youth and some kind of beauty, regardless of its attainability. However, since youth is often accompanied by poverty, it has never been that difficult for the rich to snag them.
Truth hurts, I know.
Who cares if you think they're pathetic, R122? That's a value judgment. There are many millions of people in this backward country who believe homosexuals are disgusting. So what?
Men are NOT disgusting if they leer at teenagers and try to buy one - or if they spend hours of their lives watching porn? That's, what, laudable? I think plenty of people would find it disgusting.
I don't find any of these things disgusting, except perhaps the contempt shown by those who do find any of these things disgusting. Talk about up tight, narrow minded, mean spirited prigs.
I suppose you think when you're old, you'll be so amazingly good looking and potent you won't have any trouble finding sex partners whatsoever. But if you can't find them, you certainly won't do anything "disgusted" like leer at young beauties or watch porn. Oh no, not you. You're too cool for that.
Time will get you, if you make it. Mark my words.
Haha. Do you really think that we are interested in fat, ugly, middle-aged fraus who have no life? Take my advice, I was just being honest, for once in my life.
R122/125 What you perceive to be true doesn't matter, and it doesn't affect me one way or the other on a superficial level. But your ignorance and lack of social understanding and foresight is frightening. I don't know how you can expect to ever be granted any dignity by anyone. And quite frankly, you don't even seem to deserve much of that.
I think it may have something to do with the isolation people feel today. A lot of women (and men too but we are talking women here) have no deep connections in the world except to their children. I think these women sort of take on their kids' interests as a way of feeling connected to their only friends (their kids.)
Why do you think middle-aged women want these teenaged twits to be interested in them? Do middle-aged men crave the "interest" from the porn actors and actresses they're watching?
ARE porn actors and actresses "interested" in the old men who are watching them on the Internet?
What a weird concept. One does not need one's sex objects to return any interest. They're look tools, like vibrators, they're there to be used, abandoned for the newest thing next month, I don't even understand what you're talking about R127.
I think it's just your misogyny. Don't think about them. They're not worried you or your "interest" or your opinions.
Please queens. As IF you are so perfect? Who the fuck is waiting for grandma Moses, er Granny MADONNA for 3 hours when they go to those shows? It's not Fraus but fags!
I have my beef with some fraus, but I have to defend them a bit here. Middle-aged straight women aren't really any worse at bad taste than middle-aged straight men. In fact, straight guys are a lot worse.
Straight guys, afterall, are the ones responsible for the careers of Adam Sandler, Kevin James, and Will Ferrell.... and shit like the Hang Over, Nascar..
Given THAT alternative, I'll gladly side with fraus over at least cute young guys.
I agree with you on cute guys, but fraus are so stupid and gullible.
R133, everyone is stupid and gullible according to someone else. All you have to do is read DL and see who is being adored here if you disagree with me. Good grief, some of DL's faves are a joke.
Bravo @ R130. DL queens always get it wrong when they try to analyze women's motives. It's amusing to read.
R122/127 has it all backwards. Middle aged women are not being "used". They are the ones using the 'flavor of the month' to fuel their fantasies. If you are an attractive, young (closeted) gay man I wouldn't put too much stock in using fraus as a stepping stone to fame and fortune. You're setting yourself up for a rude awakening when you get dropped for the next hot thing. When it happens it's fast and it's brutal.
Also, R130 is correct in informing you that none of these obsessed fraus is particularly concerned about gaining the "interest" of their latest crush, no more than a gay man expects to marry his favorite porn star.
I don't mind being dropped for the next hot thing once I'm rich thanks to people like you. Haha
These "women are the downfall of civilization" trolls and "the sky is falling because women aren't acting exactly the way I want them to" trolls are misogynists at heart. Many gay men here bristle at that word, but the truth hurts, I guess. It is what it is.
As with homophobia, there are varying degrees of misogyny. You don't have to literally hate every woman on earth to be a misogynist. If you, either intentionally or unintentionally, hold women to different standards than you do men, if you single out women for criticism while letting similar or worse behavior slide from men (and especially if you do this obsessively, which many on DL do), you are a misogynist, at least to some degree.
You are like all those nice Christian homophobes out there, the ones who worry that gays will ruin the "sacred institution" of marriage, while conveniently overlooking all of the disastrous heterosexual marriages. And much like they, you're neither self-aware nor honest enough to admit to the similarities.
Don't worry, at the stage door or on the red carpet I'll be all smiles and giggles.
[quote]at the stage door or on the red carpet I'll be all smiles and giggles.
*snort* and you really think you're closeted?
Yes, I'm my dear.
Wow, now we know that DL is full of middle aged straight women!
It's because androgynous, ambiguous males are safe. Most of the women who fall for these types are afraid of alpha males.
[quote]Most of the women who fall for these types are afraid of alpha males.
I can't imagine why. Jesus. Why on earth would a woman want to be with a man who thinks he rules the roost and who resorts to alpha behavior when he doesn't get his way?
They have crushes on non-threatening pretty boys. Emphasis on BOYS. This is fine for teen girls who are just developing and discovering their sexuality. It's creepy when a middle aged woman wants a boy.
R144, Euqally to much more creepy when a man wants a young boy or girl. If there's one stereotype that's most often true, it's that men are more often aggressive enough to act upon their fantasies.
Like Elvis, who took up with Priscilla when she was 14.
If this thread can be summed up in one phrase, it would be: "MOM, YOU'RE EMBARASSING ME!".
Straight women crushing after teen idols should be no creepier than men lusting after young porn stars, but some of you are taking it much worse.
Deep inside of many of us is the egocentric small child who is completely dependent on Mommy, and who freaks out when Mommy tries to step outside her role as a mother. It's very threatening to a child, to realize that mommy would rather be doing something other than mothering - like sex.
To be honest I used to crush on some stars (used to love Sawyer on Lost) but now that I have been with my boyfriend for a few years and have love and lust in my life I don't really crush on them anymore. I think some of the "fraus" are in loveless marriages or don't have a partner so that's why they get hyped up over these celebrities.
[quote]I think some of the "fraus" are in loveless marriages or don't have a partner so that's why they get hyped up over these celebrities
Totally agree, super bingo.
That's why fraus are so creepy.
We need a thread on "middle aged straight men and the stars they hate" to explain why 50 year old men turn into high school bullies around young male stars like bieber, who got booed at yesterday's CFL game by a bunch of losers in the audience. No such hate for the teen girl performer of course.