I go to Julliard. I wanted it so much. I got it. I hate it! These bitches here are so pretentious and crazy!!!!
I have a relative who went there, she would have fit in perfectly from your description of it.
She never made it, and had to go into a different field than what she'd planned.
"These bitches here are so pretentious and crazy!!!"
Please expand and clarify.
my cello teacher gives me good head
I used to work with a guy whose parents met at Juilliard. Neither one of them pursued careers in the arts, and they actually turned into white trash (long periods of unemployment...alcohol problems...money problems).
are you a dancer, OP?
Well, all the other students think you are pretentious and crazy, OP!
The question you should be asking is not "Does this experience meet my unrealistic expectations", but: "Am I learning anything?".
Please...The OP doesn't go to Juilliard, or he/she would know how to spell the name of the school correctly. Probably goes to some second rate school like Tisch and got rejected from top notch schools; or never had any talent , but dances in tights to Liza songs in mom's basement.
I was housing a Julliard drama student. He is very impressed with himself.
Is it really so hard to spell Juilliard?
R7 Should we be looking for OP here at NYADA?
I did! and I'm gonna live forever!!
I did, but you don't OP. Sorry you were rejected.
I auditioned. Got called back. Didn't get accepted. Sigh.
"Anybody go to a top arts school like Julliard?"
well, it is spelled JUILLIARD, and I give classes there now, about twice a semester. I did do a year there in undergrad, an exchange of sorts with the teacher I studied with in cleveland, so yes, I did go to a top arts school, several. still, that is no key to success, I'm at the top of my field, am adjunct at Juilliard and it is still a rough career to lead.
Any sense of pomposity you are getting from a young person going to a hot shot school is pretty much par for the course or your projection or both.
18 year olds who go to Harvard or Princeton think they are hot shit also, Julliard is just kind of the acting school extension of that sort of thing.
I was in group 14 and in the 80s they used to tell us all the time how many people auditioned for our slots etc. We believed it and thought we were such hot shit. When we graduated most of us were signed to agencies, a few werent. This was when Julliard was riding on the reputation of the early groups that had Kevin Kline, Bill Hurt etc, Spacey was a couple of years ahead of me but didn't finish.
Anyway within a few years half of my class had faded out of the business and by 2000 I think only 4 of us were still active in the business.
don't feel bad r13, someone who worked in admissions for Julliard in the late 60s early 70s told me that they didn't accept Meryl Streep either, this of course was before she went to Yale School of Drama.
I was also told by this person that in the last 20 years or so the school has gotten to be a much kinder gentler place that it was in the 70s and 80s. Talking the drama division only here, don't know about the other schools.
Julliard has a better track record in terms of people getting work after graduating than many other schools but many never book a single job. Accepting people into a program isn't an exact science of course and talented people always fall through the cracks and some not so talented people get through.
[quote]Julliard is just kind of the acting school extension of that sort of thing.
acting? isn't the music school, including the prep division, larger?
this is r15, I edited my post without being attentive and realize something doesn't make sense.
The 6th paragraph should read
I recently worked with an actress on an episodic who just graduated from Julliard Drama Division last year which is now like group 40 something.
This same person told me Julliard is a much kinder gentler place than it was in the 70s and 80s....
thanks for your attention to this highly important matter
Julliard is best known for the music division but in the late 60s they started a Drama division and for many years it was considered THE school to go to.
Yale being the other
Yes, I'm aware of that, the dance school is likewise notable.
What are some other high caliber schools that should be considered for a talented musician (voice and violin)? How does Berklee compare?
Berkeley is strictly jazz and pop, but very highly esteemed.
Indiana has the largest music school in the entire world, so lots of great things come out of it (like TONS of opera), but that could easily get you lost in the shuffle.
Other well known and respected conservatories are:
Mannes in NYC
Curtis in Philly, probably the smallest so the most exclusive
Eastman in Rochester
San Francisco Conservatory
Universities with great music departments include:
the forementioned Indiana
McGill in Montreal
Northwestern in Chicago
Rice in Houston
and many others. It all depends on many factors. At this point in history I'd suggest a youngster to simply get into the best school that hands them the most cash and financial aide, work like the dickens and go to grad school at a school that does likewise, keeping an eye on the rapidly changing field of music and what you want from it. The big three aren't what they were 50 years ago: Symphony, Ballet and Opera. everything is much smaller scale.
I had some friends who graduated from Yale Drama School, Acting, and the toughest year for them had to be the year AFTER they graduated. Everyone in their class kept in touch, of course, frequently as they were all in NYC, and they were still competing with each other just like they did in drama school, especially the actresses. Talk about frenemies.
I think all drama schools fuck with your mind but I guess for actors they're a rite of passage. It's the kind of thing you could only convince people in their early 20s that they need to do.
Excuse me, OP, but if you're speaking of the music conservatory at Lincoln Center in Manhattan, it's called JUILLIARD. I took my Master's Degree there several years ago. .. I never heard of Julliard. If you go there and don't like it, you should drop out.
DL and fangurl fave Luke Macfarlane went to Juilliard.
I went to Juilliard. Stop talking shit about my institution RIGHT NOW! Who do you think you are? How dare you!
hilarious that you acting students who claim to have gone to Juilliard don't even know how to spell the school's name.
Didn't all the successful people who went to Juilliard drop out?
I work for a symphony (not a musiciian); several of them went to Juilliard. Some are very nice and accomplished; others, their shit doesn't stink.
[quote]Isn't Oberlin supposed to be a good music school?
OOOPS! I knew I forgot one, "the Con" at Oberlin college is notably famous. Lots of musicians have gotten their undergrads there.
I don't know about now, but at one point the ballpark percentage of Julliard music students being professional musicians was around 27%.
Not great, considering music is probably Julliard's most marketable major (because it translates internationally AND has many possible contexts).
R20, Eastman School of Music is great, and pretty much all of the students I know who went there (and I know well around 50) got in to top graduate programs for their specialties. I'd say about half of them still get paid for something music-related. Most of them are still playing and trying, though.
Northwestern's drama school is arguably more prestigious than its music school.
Why do you all assume that OP is misspelling Juilliard? Maybe OP is misspelling Curtis.
[quote] How does Berklee compare?
I think that Berklee compares to Julliard pretty well. Neither teaches spelling. Or exists.
r34 Before you make an ass outta yourself--try Google and cut your snark 50%.
[quote]At this point in history I'd suggest a youngster to simply get into the best school that hands them the most cash and financial aide, work like the dickens and go to grad school at a school that does likewise, keeping an eye on the rapidly changing field of music and what you want from it.
Okay, the antecedant of "them" is "a youngster," which is singular, so "them" should have been singular as well. "Financial aid" does not have an E at the end of it And when did "you" enter into the equation?
Is anyone expected to take suggestions about education from R21?
Berklee is a relatively famous jazz and pop school in Boston, although I don't know why you'd go to school for that.
Berkeley is the UC school in Northern California.
R32. Clris, as an alum you should know that NU doesn't have a "drama school.". It does, however, have an excellent Theatre Department housed. In its School of Commnications.
Drama school is so fucking stupid. If you're going to act, those are the years (18-22) when you need to be auditioning in LA or NYC. They're basically casting you based on the fact of whether you have a good face or not and don't give a shit whether you went to school or not. The UK has it right in sending kids to acting school when they're teenagers and then shipping them over to Los Angeles once they're done to start building their career young so Americans will never be able to compete with them.
Same with music school. You either know your theory and can play your instrument by that age or you don't/can't.
Everyone I know personally who is an actor/musician making money doing those things (and I mean big money, such as tv, film, songwriting, producing, not just barely scrapping by by playing at bars) didn't go to school for it. Education after high school is such as scam unless you're in engineer, sciences or some of the liberal arts where your future career is dependent on your degree. Being locked into a four-year program for the "fine arts" is completely bogus.
Kids these days can't spell ennything.
...want to know
I need to learn some
r15 are you Thomas Gibson... he was in that year....if not tell us stories!!
(oops and hee hee I did leave out the "i"... sorry I was looped out on two ativan and an ambien)
drugs are hard to mix with counterpoint class
That is completely not true of the classical music, dance, or theater scene which requires actual talent, training, and practice r42. That's exactly what Juilliard and other conservatories teach.
Your concept of how the business works is dead wrong.
Yes, we're all well aware that LA is a soulless hellhole full of talentless faces that wouldn't know how to act or sing their way out of a shoebox. No, it doesn't require any training or talent to become a "star" in television, movies, or the pop music scene.
The business doesn't work the same for everyone. Everyone has their own path to take.
Thanks to those who responded to my query about other good schools. I was referring to the Berklee College of Music in Boston; I should've been more explicit about that since I know most people refer to UC Berkeley simply as "Berkeley," so it's not surprising I looked spelling challenged. ;)
[quote]he UK has it right in sending kids to acting school when they're teenagers and then shipping them over to Los Angeles once they're done to start building their career young so Americans will never be able to compete with them.
I don't think that is true. Lets of British Actors go to University then Drama school and then start careers at like 25.
[quote]They're basically casting you based on the fact of whether you have a good face or not and don't give a shit whether you went to school or not.
Absolutely. Actors like Channing Tatum, Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth never went to conservatory and became huge stars because Hollywood liked their physicality. At the end of the day, they need a handsome face and tight body for their packaging. That's what success in Hollywood is. That's why you end up with drama school graduates like Manganiello and Bomer taking off their clothes in thankless roles in "Magic Mike."
Also a lot of the most successful young actors began acting professionally as children and teenagers (Ryan Gosling, Emma Stone, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Tobey Maguire, Jake Gyllenhaal, Natalie Portman, Kiera Knightley, Kristen Stewart, Josh Hutcherson, Jennifer Lawrence) so when they're 18-22 they've already had years of professional experience and industry connections and are primed for those youth roles. Jennifer Lawrence is 22, has two major film franchises under her belt and could conceivably win a Best Actress Academy Award this year; if she'd gone to drama school, she'd be a nobody today. Youth is EVERYTHING in Hollywood.
Really a more surefire way to acting success than drama school is to have an ambitious stage parent or a parent with industry connections.
Again, you're strictly talking about Hollywood, and that's not what Juilliard was created to supply actors for.
I shared a locker with a Julliard ballerina who came to my school for academic classes. She was cool.
Juilliard graduate here. I remember the cold mausoleum of a building, and having to fight all the asian students for a rehearsal room. Very competitive. I hear it's better now. I also had some great professors.
As a working musician, I never felt that Juilliard gave me an edge over anyone else, but I did make great connections at school that helped me in my career.
Kudos to OP for using the words "top" and "Juilliard" in the same sentence, without a hint of irony.
The building was a prison, but they've done what they can with redesign, and the third and fourth floors have really opened up. The new rehearsal and studio spaces are beautiful.
I do miss the plaza that connected the campus to Lincoln Center proper, though.
I totally agree, some plusses with the redesign but also a minus point or two
I worked on a couple of shows in the Drama Division. The acting students were very nice; the faculty/staff were [bold]CRAAAAZY[/bold], as in impossible to work with.
in the 80's I wanted to see a concert at Julliard that included the original version of 'Rhapsody in Bue', which was for me the theme song of NYC...
...but I didn't have the money for a ticket to the sold-out show, so I called up Julliard to ask where the door to the green room was because I needed to deliver a tux. I dressed nicely and in a suit bag I placed a tux I had bought at a thrift store years ago and waltzed into the school.
a security guard directed me to the green room and I found my way to the auditorium and waited out the time. When people started coming in I moved to the men's room to wait until the bells and decided to grab whatever empty seat there was.
it was an amazing concert, and two things really stuck with me: the sight of a very old woman being lead to the piano to play the solo, and the very uncomfortable feeling I had that at any moment I'd be yanked out of my seat.
at intermission I used the men's room and returned to find the rightful owner of my seat (she had arrived after the start of the program so they held her back until intermission) and I found another empty seat.
What about art schools-which ones are the good ones?
Any experiences with smaller atelier style academies?
[quote]a security guard directed me to the green room and I found my way to the auditorium and waited out the tim
with the remodeling the security is MUCH stricter.
R42 does make a legitimate point about professional acting. No one who actually wants to support himself in film, TV, and even theatre should begin their career at 25. By that age, they should have paid experience, representation, and a network of contacts.
The competition is as brutal as ever, and youth and attractiveness open more doors than expensive academic degrees.
OP, you absolutely do not go to Juilliard. Begone with you.
I was 25 when I began acting professionally. Worked out ok.
The list of famous actors who have gone to Juilliard is long and impressive. Please don't tell us honing your craft is a waste of time.
R66, Meryl made her professional stage debut well before she was 25, and done voice-over work as well before breaking into films.
(BTW, the M shit is a little tired.)
What did Meryl do before age 25 r68. She went to Vassar then to Yale Drama so she had to be at least 24-25 to do 7 years of higher education. Her first New York credit I can find is when she was 27 in the Henry V.
Yes! Start young! That always works out the best!!!
You're overlooking most Hwood performers are essentially child prostitutes, manufactured by the "good" people at Disney, marketed as jailbait, enabled by trash parents, then hardened into schizoid little terrors that know how to hit marks and hide tracks. It's MK Ultra/Project Monarch shit.
Drama school is another world that produces actors, actors who may or may not become successful. Comparing them to "child performers" doesn't work.
there's a big difference between being a Hollywood 'thing' and being a legitimate, respected actor. I'd take the latter any day.
r68 seems to have been silenced...yet is posting away in other threads....hmmmm
[quote]there's a big difference between being a Hollywood 'thing' and being a legitimate, respected actor.
Jennifer Lawrence is 22 and, after this year, will be able to star in any movie or theatre project that she WANTS. Your "legitimate" actor just out of Juilliard will be happy to get a callback for "Christmas Story: The Musical."
Here's the thing: the august, ivory-tower theatre world of "All About Eve" NO LONGER EXISTS. Broadway merely regurgitates Hollywood's flotsum for its musicals, and, if they deign to put on a play, they want film and TV actors to star in it so the producers can make money. At the end of the day, who cares if you can do Shakespeare or Ibsen? Nobody. But if your name can sell a ticket, then you've achieved something.
I wouldn't cross the street to see a show starring jennifer Lawrence, r74. I love Shakespeare and Ibsen. There are thousands upon thousands of people who make a living acting whose names you've never heard of before. Just because your idea of culture is "The Hunger Games" doesn't mean everyone's is.
Intelligent audiences have always been in the minority, and there's always been popular trash. "Moby Dick" wasn't a bestseller in its day. "50 shades of gray" has outsold it many thousands of times over. Beethoven's symphonies were heard by a relatively tiny handful of people during his lifetime, and more people have probably heard Britney Spears. So. What.
Eat all the crap you want, r74. Some of us still enjoy finer things, and we don't even mind that it sends you into a queeny rage. So there.
[quote]Jennifer Lawrence is 22 and, after this year, will be able to star in any movie or theatre project that she WANTS
and yet I've never heard of her
[quote]Jennifer Lawrence is 22 and, after this year, will be able to star in any movie or theatre project that she WANTS
as long as the role requires a fat girl
If you can't spell this top art school right not just once but TWICE, you never been to Juilliard.