She is right, everyone admires the sacrifice John McCain gave for this country. That does not make him a credible expert on foreign policy.
Filth? or Fifth?
She really is one of the smartest news analysts (and I use that description rather than pundit in her case) because she really does look at data and story lines. Very talented woman.
Filth. "To read someone for filth" is the idiom. It's an eldergay/ethnicgay/drag queen thing.
Good God, I love this woman.
I agree with you, R5. However, she does get carried away with the Talk Me Down-type stuff.
Aside from the excellent question,[bold] "WHY is John McCain the leading voice in the Republican party Foreign Policy IN 2012?" [/bold]
She showed a montage of clips of John McCain saying the following..,
Q: Do you believe the people of iraq will treat us as liberators?
McCain: I believe we can win in a short period of time.
McCain: I believe that the success will be fairly easy.
Q: president bush talked about our staying in iraq for 50 years.
McCain: [italic] Maybe One Hundred![/italic]
McCain: The second phase is iraq. there's some indication, and i don't have the conclusions, [italic]but some of this anthrax may have come from iraq.[/italic]
[bold]Maddow:[/bold] Senator john mccain telling the american people how the war in iraq was going to be easy and we would be greeted as liberators and iraq was behind the anthrax attacks. [italic]How do you go from being that guy to growing up to be the guy who is now suggesting that the republican's fight with the president should be on foreign policy because you guys have the credibility....on.... (What)?[/italic]
Here's one off the top of my head, R10 ...
A couple of years back she had Louise Slaughter as a guest regarding the Dem Congress' "capitulation" over offshore drilling. FINALLY, after enough of Rachel's ... despair was expressed, Slaughter said, "Rachel, NO ONE has any plans to drill in that area!" Implied in her tone was, "Should I have my doctor phone you in some Xanax?"
I also felt she played up some of the voting issues this fall for maximum dramatic effect. I never, ever heard her mention that in Florida and Ohio one can apply for a no-reason-needed absentee ballot as she salivated over the long lines. Shit like that REALLY appeals to her defeatist, masochistic streak.
R6 I'm an eldergay and something of a language nerd but I've never heard that expression.
Eisenhower was president when I was born (barely!) and I'd never heard the expression either.
She made him look like a doddering old fool. He should have retired already.
I don't like John McCain and I am a staunch Liberal but even I believe some of these McCain clips she compiled could be taken out of context. Didn't he say "100 years" in Iraq in response to a question and his point was we stay until the job is done (which I know is subjective but he wasn't saying we must be in Iraq for 100 years). Also, the mission to remove Sadam's government did take place in record speed. Isn't that what he was talking about? I don't think he was foreseeing the botched followthrough and nation-building that Bush alleged we aren't in there for.
That's my point, R15 -- she does a lot of stuff out-of-context for dramatic effect; if she doesn't know better in those cases, she should.
McCain is a bufoon. He is forever damned as the one who pushed Sarah Palin & her ugly brood into the limelight.
Sarah Palin for VP 2008, was that taken out of context?
I adore Rachel as well. Howevah! She fails to mention that it is her parent network, NBC, that hails this errant pilot as some oracle of foreign policy. NBC has been dragging his pale white ass on Sunday morning for years, praising him, kissing up to him, while he says the most insane and ridiculous things, many of which she noted. She is correct of course, but don't stop, Maddie. Fire 2 barrels at Mac's greatest enabler, NBC.
Maddow doesn't do "Talk Me Down" anymore, at least I can't remember the last one I saw and I pretty much watch her show every day.
Love her. Except for the jackets.
She has been EN FUEGO all hour tonight!
Usually former Presidential candidates flounder in their careers after they've lost. Nixon and Kerry being the only notable exceptions.
After 2008 McCain just seems like stale bread.
Gore hasn't really "floundered".
And Dubbya just retired. It's not so much floundering as quitting.
And Clinton has hardly floundered. He's been a pretty amazing ex-President.
Jimmy Carter has done far better after losing than he did in office.
Um NO, r15.
"100 years" is a ridiculous fucking number as was "50." The point is that he wasn't allowing for any concept of withdrawal or diplomacy. He chose the extreme concept of " OUR WAY or NEVER" over a realistic date of withdrawal.
R22 Neither W nor Clinton was a loser.
Rachel is an expert at deconstructing every issue from a fact based point.
rr2, ummm...Clinton and Bush II won. So did Carter the first time. Actually, if we're to go by popular vote, Gore won too.
...reads him THE fifth...
r11 What a dumb commentary. People in FL were waiting 5 to 7 hours just to vote. Lawmakers are now looking into why this happened.
In OH, she was one of the first on cable news to report about John Husted's attempt at voter suppression. Everything she talked about came to fruition. Long after Rachel does an in depth story on these attempt at voter suppression does the rest of the mainstream media catch on -- on Election no less!
If you think she's hysteric, don't watch her. I'm sure you'll be much happier watching CNN or Fox where you won't learn much but at least you'll be entertained.
The right wing demonize her on such superficial, rudimentary and predictable terms. "She's a MAN!!!" "I thought she was RICK Maddow", "She's too aggressive!"
The sad thing is that many conservative women get in on this sort of bashing as well. Conservative women are particularly virulent in attacking other women who might be anything suggesting feminist.
I had to shut her off after about 8 minutes, and I'm a liberal.
Why does she have to chew every single syllable and spit it out in such a patronizing manner? She just comes off almost as grating as Ann Coulter...
That's to be expected r30. They are the party of hate and I wouldn't expect anything less of them. If you read #maddow tweets, you'll find their favorite insult is to call her "madcow." That's how immature and ridiculous they've become.
What annoys me more are idiots like r11/15 and r31. They make throwaway comments that only make sense to them.
Speak for yourself R32. She'd have a much bigger audience if she reeled it in a bit.
R33, if you can only handle women who are mild in their delivery of information, so as not to disturb your delicate sensibilities, then don't watch Rachel. Also: Fuck off.
Ol Rachel is one slimy cunt. It's great "she" is on the network with the shittiest ratings. I bet she smells like a tuna on rye from a mile away.
Shittiest ratings? They've been beating CNN, Anderson.
Oh, but golly, Why does the woman have to shout! Why can't she speak quietly and wait her turn like real ladies do?
You can go fuck yourself r36.
MSNBC had THE TOP ratings for election coverage and Maddow was at the head of the table the whole time. They've had great ratings for some time now.
People love her. Get the fuck over it and go back to your FOX hole.
Eldergay here. I remember the phrase, "I read him to filth."
R28 The fifth what? One TAKES the fifth (amendment) when testifying, but what would "read the fifth" mean? Clearly the OP meant FILTH, although I have no idea what it means. Is it the same as "I read him the Riot Act?"
[quote]Maddow doesn't do "Talk Me Down" anymore, at least I can't remember the last one I saw and I pretty much watch her show every day.
No, she doesn't do that specific segment anymore, but she did go Debbie Downer/concern-troll from time to time during this past election season.
What part of "absentee ballot requests in Florida and Ohio need NO reason" do you not understand? I have yet to see her EVER mention WA and OR's all-mail system as an option that works well.
She annoys me. She's a partisan hack, and her delivery sucks.
But McCain is literally senile, and an unregenerate warmonger. That fucker never met a bomb he didn't like. He NEEDS to be retired.
r43 it was reported on my local FLorida news that many of those 'absentee' ballots were NOT counted and probably never will be.
At least she's a proud partisan hack who owns her liberalism, unlike the fascists on "Fair and Balanced" Fox.
Apparently Rachel Maddow attacked John McCain attacked John McCain because Israel wasn't killing enough Gazans. The general the Israelis murdered was the one who negotiated the Gideon Shalit release. Israel waited until after the US elections to slam Gaza to accommodate Obama. The main support for Israel in the US has always come from the left. Trying to blame this on the Republicans is crazy. What about Barbara Boxer sponsoring the latest arms gift to Israel ? What about Jane Fonda entertaining the Israeli troops during the Sabra and Shatila massacres? What about Eleanor Roosevelt arguing that the Jews deserved Palestine because they were racially superior to the people there? Rachel Maddow is venturing into territory the left has been fearful of, for obvious reasons. She is nothing but a fucking Nazi.
I think you mean provisional ballots, not regular absentee ones? Provisionals, I think, can be set aside if there aren't any close races where they'd make a difference?
Take your meds, asshole r47.
This is not an Israel propaganda, Go start your own.
[quote]I have yet to see her EVER mention WA and OR's all-mail system as an option that works well.
You're completely ignoring the point.
You think Florida is going to allow a system that actually works? Um no. Their intention is to make it as fucking difficult as possible for people in the poorer areas.
And for that matter she did talk a LOT about early voting in other states.
I agree that Rachel does sometimes leave out the full context of a remark in order to fit it neatly into her overall point. However, this takedown of McCain was not one of those times.
As she pointed out, he favors a military intervention (either direct or by proxy) as the solution to almost every problem. The telling exception is when Obama did intervene in Libya. Reflexively, McCain was opposed to that because it was Obama's decision.
His behavior in his 2010 re-election campaign eliminated almost all of the lingering respect I had for him when he was a "maverick." It became clear he was a maverick not out of conviction, but out of a lust for attention.
[quote] The main support for Israel in the US has always come from the left.
Are you insane?
R47 is crazy. Netanyahu was totally in the Romney camp.
R38, no one said anything about her needing to speak softly or wait her turn. She's not in a theater, no need to project to the last row. It gets grating after awhile.
Rachel Maddow is the best evening news anchor on television. She is well-educated, attractive, intelligent, fair-minded, skilled at her work and amusing.
As an out lesbian and an unrepentant liberal, of COURSE she's going to drive the rightwing fucktards insane. In a weird way, it's a sign of respect. If she wasn't so good they wouldn't be flipping out like tweakers.
But the jackets..... so bad.
Exactly r41. The gay version of read him the riot act. Right up there with reading someone's beads.
R55 She is NOT a news anchor by any definition.
Also, what is up with her NECK? Creeps me out!
My recollection of the phrase in question is, "He read her beads to filth." This type of eloquence was common in the mid and late 60's of the last century.
Totally agree, R5. I remember the first time I saw her on CNN as a guest with a couple of other guests. I was expecting the same old punditry and she was completely original. She knew her facts and had good analysis. She definitely deserves her own show.
I've also seen her as a fairly recent guest on other shows like Martha Stewart. She was charming and so amusing the the hosts.
She also authored a book released last spring, that has a 4+ rating on Amazon with almost 400 reviews. I think she'd be great in politics with her understanding of the issues.
Ooh, she did it again Wednesday night!
I can't believe queens here don't know the term "reading someone for F I L T H." Or for "the filth that they are."
I weep for the future.
Good for Emm Ess Maddow. She took my criticism and acted on it. After exposing the hundreds of analysis errors made by that fact-challenged, aeroplane crashing white-haired Arizona mouse, on a subsequent show she took aim at the Sunday talk shows that "host" him over and over and over and over and over again. She even took on the hand that feeds her, her very own NBC. Well, she sort of took them on. Meet The Press has relentlessly enabled the camera addicted Senator, publicly kissing his white ass more than any other Sunday talk show. Rachel never took down Tim Russert or that pathetic David Gregory by name, but she did present excerpts from their broadcasts showing the mouse at his errant best.
No, she's not perfect, but she's perfect for us.
If you think Rachel has taken something out of context, send her (or someone on her staff) an email. They actually read their email, and if they think you're right, she'll issue a correction. Rachel has a commitment to truth and honesty and has done more on-air corrections and further explanation than any other news program. Of course, if the point you bring up is wrong - such as the point about McCain and his100 year in Iraq comment - she'll elaborate on that, too.
That said, the right loves to say that whenever they're quoted verbatim it's "out of context." So much shit that flows from righties is utter bull, it's easy to take a real, attributed quote and say it's out of context. For example, gramp's 100 years in Iraq; on it's face, that is utterly contemptible. And he's been so wrong about what he's claimed about Iraq that if the media had any commitment to journalism and ethics, he'd never be on the teevee again, let alone in the Senate.
Sorry - late to the thread. R6 - can you explain that idiom to me? I've heard it but never understood it. I was in a club with some acquaintances and later one of the guys said to me, "That guy over there was looking you up and down for filth!" I just smiled and said "Oh...K", not knowing what the fuck it meant...