Apparently, Elmo's accuser is thug with a police record. Now he wants to back out of the deal he signed? Where's the credibility in that?
Credibility? He's declared himself a liar.
God, you people are as bad as the Catholic Church.
It's PBS, not the Boy Scouts of America. Every account I've read says the accuser signed the agreement under duress. I don't like the reflection it's making on Clash's credibility more than anybody else, but we're talking about the rape of a minor. He has a right to be a basket case. Clash shouldn't be writing checks to make problems of this caliber disappear.
Guess he thinks he can get more out of the guy now that he knows the guy is willing to pay to keep him quiet.
That's what you get when you give in to blackmailers' demands.
quote]but we're talking about the rape of a minor.
It was consensual. If they had been in New Jersey (or most of the rest of the world), it would have been legal. "Rape" is simply not the right word.
Stick a fork in the hooker - he's done. Who's going to give him the time of day, now?
"the accuser signed the agreement under duress."
No one can force you into signing anything that you don't want to. If you truly want your voice to be heard you stand up and fight. Other people have done it.
And why don't you mention that Stephens was arrested for robbing someone at knifepoint for 250,000 worth of jewlery? He was also arrested for passing a bad check. And allegedly has a history of attracting "high powered men".
I don't know who to believe at this point. And I certainly wouldn't make the kid out to be some wide-eyed innocent.
They keep putting the sketch of that Brooklyn killer above his stories.
I realize that not all black guys look alike, but in this case...
He's probably finding out, R10, that all his 'high powered men' don't want anything to do with him. Who's going to trust a hooker who can't keep his mouth shut? More like the little hustler just realized he can't live on $150 g's for the rest of his life.
I would have asked for $1.5 million, taxes paid.
-less fees is what? $75,000?
I agree with the other posters... the accuser's credibility is damaged due to the release of his arrest records and acceptance of the money. I highly doubt that a thug who robbed someone out of thousands of dollars of cash with a weapon was "crying" when he signed the document.
Clash's story has always been the same while the accuser's story flip flops over and over. I really hope Clash's career isn't finished over this obvious blackmailing.
$125,000 to no longer discuss details of the case ever. Then the National Enquirer calls ... and wahla - he wants a do-over.
So has someone actually seen this agreement? Cause I'm sure the lawyers aren't talking and there's a confidentiality clause that would silence the accuser.
[quote]wahla - he wants a do-over.
The accuser's credibility is damaged due to the fact that he's a fugly cross-eyed whore.
r18, are you new here?
"God, you people are as bad as the Catholic Church."
You are as bad as all the people who persecuted the McMartins and all the other day care workers falsely charged with child abuse.
He went to Sesame Street for $$$ instead of to the police. He's a career criminal looking for money.
R5, that's because everyone is getting the info from one place.
[quote]Every account I've read says the accuser signed the agreement under duress.
No. Under a dress, perhaps.
The young man miscalculated. If he had any proof of a sexual relationship with Clash when he was underage, he should have gone straight to the law with it. There could be no dismissing a well-founded criminal complaint.
His best shot at a decent payout would have come in the form of interviews and talk shows and maybe a quickie book, "Touched by Elmo" or some such. Instead, he picked a fight with a corporate entity that has a bottomless pocket to defend its interests. The gangster mentality failed him where the outraged, upright citizen approach probably would have worked.
"If he had any proof of a sexual relationship with Clash when he was underage, he should have gone straight to the law with it."
He doesn't have any evidence, that's why he didn't go to the police.
Wahla??? I guess you learned to read from "cooking with Phonics."
And that guy has very poor nipple placement -- even I can tell that, and I'm a lesbian.
R21...you're being ridiculous. This is not like the McMartin case in any way.
A closeted man in his fifties did something inappropriate, at the very least. He's not a victim. He made the choice to be closeted. He made the choice to pursue a young man who was either below legal age or just above it . The young man was a hustler, meaning he's probably poor. Mr. Elmo is not poor. This was an exploitive situation, and it was inapproppriate. I don't think he should lose his job, but he's not a victim either. Let's have some sense of perspective.
This guy is a lawyer's nightmare. A client with a serious criminal record who recanted his original accusation and now wants to recant the withdrawal claiming that he signed the agreement under duress.
Yeah, good luck with that.
[quote]maybe a quickie book, "Touched by Elmo"
R20, it's voila
"you're being ridiculous. This is not like the McMartin case in any way."
You and the other retards comparing this to the Catholic Church are the ones being ridiculous.
You dumbfucks are the ones attacking a man for doing nothing wrong.
"He made the choice to pursue a young man who was either below legal age or just above it . The young man was a hustler, meaning he's probably poor. Mr. Elmo is not poor. This was an exploitive situation, and it was inapproppriate. I don't think he should lose his job, but he's not a victim either. Let's have some sense of perspective."
Let's have some perspective here. He IS a victim. A victim of false accusations that people believe because, in a country where hysteria over sex has reached insane levels, having sex with someone who is young is somehow considered evil. I guess you are one of those anti-sex retards who think it is wrong to have sex with anyone under 30. And when did it become wrong to have sex with poor people? Are we only allowed to have sex with rich people now? I doubt this guy is that poor, anyway, he is probably kept by many sugar daddies.
When I was sixteen I wanted Coach to put his pee-pee in my boo-boo hole. This rape of a minor shit is bullshit
[quote] but he's not a victim either
He is if it's a false accusation of rape.
And you, r27, have no way of knowing, bless your little heart.
He's clearly on drugs.
Doesn't a man's anus have ways of protecting itself against legitimate rape?
Why did Clash conceal his orientation in the documentary of his life?
Yes R35. If it's legitimate, the man's body has a way to shut the whole thing down.
Yes R35, he farts. REAL LOUD
Um.... sorry but no. You look like an extortionist now.
Own up to the "trauma" and walk away asshole.
I wonder who's paying him to keep this thing going.
Republicans LOVE to rant about how Sesame Street is ruining our kids and Elmo is a big star on that show.
[quote]Doesn't a man's anus have ways of protecting itself against legitimate rape?
[quote]Yes r 35 If it's legitimate, the man's body has a way to shut the whole thing down.
Well there you are.
Now let's shut this thread down.
Shut up r41.
Duress is not accepting $125,000 as part of a settlement. Duress is having a gun held to your head.
But you all know that.
Didn't they have this bitch sign something? If they did, they should drag his sorry ass to court for opening his mouth.
My god - that face. Ugh.
Snuffalufugus, puking in the trash can
R43, statutory rape does not cease to be so simply because a piece of paper has been signed. A rent-boy with a criminal history remains the victim of statutory rape if an adult really did have sex with him when he was sixteen. Whether the rent-boy failed or succeeded in an attempt to extort money from it, he would still be the victim of statutory rape if it really occurred.
But you already knew that, didn't you?
I wonder what caused him to turn on Clash. I mean he has known this young man for years. So you would think they developed some kind of friendship outside of the sex they had. It sounds like the accuser is on drugs.
First of all it was probably consensual sex, but the guy also knew better. I would say it's probably 60/40 to blame with Elmo's puppeteer picking up the larger bit.
Too bad, but I hope Elmo goes the way of the racist Roosevelt Franklin. He takes up far too much time from the interesting muppets like Bert and the Count and Kermit and well really even Prairie Dawn is better than him
Thanks a lot, Snuffy at R45!
How was Roosevelt Franklin racist? The creators of Sesame Street were gearing it toward inner-city minority children from day one.
"Parents wrote to the Children’s Television Workshop to complain that Roosevelt was a negative stereotype of African-American children, citing his rowdy nature and the fact that his classes closely resembled after-school detention."
Can you guys slow down a bit, I'm trying to rip this from all of the headlines.
"Can you guys slow down a bit, I'm trying to rip this from all of the headlines."
I'm picturing Blair Underwood as the Kevin Clash character
Kevin Kiaddi, 25, one of four men who say they had sex with Elmo puppeteer Kevin Clash when they were underage, was beaten outside Prospect Park in Brooklyn Wednesday night.
A gay man who is a plaintiff in the Elmo sex scandal was the victim of a gay-bash bias attack, it was revealed Friday.
Police arrested five men who they say screamed anti-gay slurs as they beat Kevin Kiadii, 25, outside Prospect Park in Brooklyn Wednesday night, sources said. Kiadii is one of four young men who claim they had sex while they were underage with Kevin Clash, the former Elmo puppeteer.
Kiadii told police that he was on Empire Blvd. near Flatbush Ave. at 9:30 p.m. Wednesday when he spotted four drunken men carrying another man out of the park. When he offered the wobbly stranger his pineapple soda, the suspects pounced.
“I don’t know why they did this,” Kiadii said. “When I offered (my soda) one of them started yelling, ‘Get the f--- out of here you f---ing f----t! I’ll f--- you up.’
Kiadii said he sprayed his assailants with perfume. Kiadii ended up wrestling with his attackers as he tried to fight them off, receiving a bruised finger and some scratches.
The alleged assailants, who range in age from 16 to 21, were charged with assault as a hate crime.
Kiadii allegedly met Clash on a gay chat line when he was 16, according to court papers. Clash plied him with “alcohol and groomed him with attention and affection.” They then “engaged in sexual contact,” the suit against Clash says.