I love the mid-century modern, so I'd live in downtown Hayward.
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I've never been to downtown Hayward. What's it like? Bustling gay scene?
If you love Asians and sweatshops, or Asians and brand name colleges, or Asians and social paranoia, you'll love the Bay Area
Palo Alto. Or maybe one of those small seaside towns. But San Francisco proper? No fucking way.
Bengali in Platforms
If I had that kind of money I'd live in Manhattan.
What's the gay scene like in Silicon Valley? Is there one at all?
It's too hard to book a soccer field, so no.
Back in the bay area after years away. I already hate it. There are lines for everything, traffic sucks, horribly overcrowded. Just going to the grocery for a couple of things is a 45 minute ordeal. The sheer number of horribly driving Asians is enough to send you to the loony bin.
These "why or why not" threads are all started by the same vapid and vacuous fairy trying to sound like his 8th grade English teacher.
Portola Valley, Los Altos Hills, Woodside. Some parts of Palo Alto. I like the housing areas restricted to Stanford faculty...used to play there with George Schultz's kids.
There are good reasons the titans of industry live in those areas. They're gorgeous.
Sure beats living in some right wing, flyover place.
I would and I do. Love it. Live in SF, commute to Palo Alto for work. Not much of a gay scene in PA.
Lived in the East Bay in the Nineties. I could never afford it now, and I lived in a horrible run down apartment then.
Wine country is nice, Petaluma, Healdsburg, Santa Rosa. I love the older buildings and history.
Expensive and earthquakes. Not worth the exhorbitant prices.
I grew up in Marin. If I had the money, I'd live there.
Tampa Bay? Yes.
I moved there as soon as I graduated from a Midwestern university back in the 90s. It was still cool back then, but expensive, crowded and hard to get around.
It was sooooo inconvenient. So much to do in the city, but logistics were a nightmare.
Loved the restaurants and shopping. The Chinese food there is even better than what I had in Hong Kong.
The prostitutes, homeless and filth put a damper on things. And now that I'm older, I'm glad I own a house, car and have a solid retirement account rather than pissing away my money on rent in a cool city.
downtown hayward is a car dealership and hideous multiplex.
you crazy, r1.
I lived in the Bay area for years, and I can tell you that it's no Lassiter.
SF is really cold, windy & foggy. Anything by the beach areas in N CA is cold. And the middle of CA like Santa Barbara is pretty cold too. To get warm weather in N CA you have to move inland.
The warmest area by the beach in N CA is Santa Cruz and it's pretty windy there a lot + they have a severe drought, it's more severe than elsewhere in CA apparently.
I live in the Santa Cruz mtns. just S. of the Bay Area. Much better. Cheaper housing, less traffic/crowds and astronomically cleaner air and water. And gargantuan redwoods all over the place.
Please tell me how R15, I would rather live in Omaha than this shit hole.
I was born and raised in SF. I moved out a few years ago. I would never live there or the Bay Area again. SF is not SF anymore. #fucktechies
I'm still in my 20s so I'm not even nostalgic of 60s 70s SF. It's so incredibly different from even the 90s.
No, too many nanny state laws there.
Asians ruin everything.
[quote] I've never been to downtown Hayward. What's it like? Bustling gay scene?
It hasn't been the same since Capwell's closed
R29 is right, especially the stupid moronic imbecile slant female mayor, and her equally stupid, etc. male counterpart in SF.
Wish I were there (left in 2008; became disabled) but they when read that SF-Vallejo ferry(I lived in SF; would visit friend in Napa) which was $7.50 one way in 2008 is now $13.00 one way (!!!) - realize I could never afford. If I WERE still working, you can bloody well bet my salary wouldn't have nearly doubled in 6 years!
R16 I'd like to hear your opinion. I'd also be moving from NY to SF Bay Area. Will I miss the energy of the city? Can SF even compare to NY?
If I ever hit the Powerball I would buy a house in the Sea Cliff area of S.F. and a second home in Carmel.
I would need major fuck you money.
I've lived in the city for just over a decade. I'm VERY lucky that i got in to a ni9ce rent contolled apt before the current clusterfuck. If you can afford to live here, it's really nice and really easy to live here. If you're moving here now, I can't imagine trying to find an apt, let alone something reasonable. Forget about buying something unless you are filthy rich. You can get some deals on condos in Oakland and by deals I mean paying less than half a mill for a standard 1 or 2 BR condo that you won't get you killed if you walk out the door.
It's NOT NYC, not even close. The city is very small and shuts down pretty much at midnight.
Gay nightlife is only in the city and it's pretty good. There is really NO gay nightlife anywhere outside of the city until you get to Sacramento.
I live in SF now, and I want to move. I'm a bit different in the sense that I don't have a particular city I would always be happy with. I would rather just be location-independent and move around as I see fit. But SF is too expensive and most importantly, not WORTH the cost. There's no culture here (unless you count trust fund hipsters and pseudo-hippies and tech bros), everything closes down after 11pm even in the heart of the city, it's filthy as fuck with all the bum spit/shit on the ground, and the public transportation is a joke.
Aren't parts of Oakland nice though? I watch HGTV's Curb Appeal the Block with hottie John Giddening.
All the homes are in the Oakland area and they look like nice neighborhoods with little shops and cafes.
Everybody's moving to Portland now.
There are indeed some very nice and charming parts of Oakland. If they could clean downtown up a little better, it would be fantastic. Great old properties, lots of shops and easy access to BART. The waterfront area is really nice as well. There are some very good neighbordhoods in Oakland. I think if the current housing hysteria continues, it won't be long at all before Oakland gets completely gentrified. There's just too much pressure on the city for affordeable housing.
Why are Asians such bad drivers?
Google is the borg. They are soullesss, and they are now consuming American cities. In the future, they will be banned.
Tech bros and the insane number of mentally ill homeless people have ruined SF. This used to be such a fun, laid back city.
San Francisco was a dream city for me the first time I saw it. I lived there at a couple of different times. R35 is right. It's not a city in that you walk out your door and there are people everywhere, that energy pulse you get in NYC. 800,000 people v. 8,000,000. It's a cow town but a very pretty cow town. I loved the nightlife when I was there. It was great. But I can't imagine paying the kind of prices people are paying to live there now.
[quote]I would and I do. Love it. Live in SF, commute to Palo Alto for work. Not much of a gay scene in PA.
That must be why James Franco left.
Was born and raised here. Am in my 50's now. The only reason I can afford to live here is because I bought a house in the early 90's in a funky neighborhood that's among those gentrified, accelerating in the dot-com boom, now exploding with the tekkie boom, which will eventually bust.
My old friends also bought their homes long ago or have been living in rent-controlled buildings.
I love the City, but home equity is my only retirement savings. Will need to sell, then move to rural Oregon.
If I were in the OP's shoes, I'd move to Portland, OR.
Palo Alto is a very creepy place. Very Stepford.
In California, all the nice working class areas have been overrun by Mexicans. All the nice middle and upper class areas have been overrun by Asians.
And then, there are the Armenians, who once were fun, but now suck with the influx from the Middle East and former SSRs.
We get it, r47...per your post at r29, you're an anti-Asian bigot
I agree with you about the Armenians, r47.
With rat like cunning, r48 hit the mighty trolldat button!
Of course he should rule the world!
I grew up in Contra Costa in the '50s/'60s. Thought about going back now that I'm retired, but it's so different now that I think it would be a mistake (not to mention prohibitively expensive.) Maybe Sonoma County.
Is Burning Man still a thing? The city used to be quite nice when it emptied out during that event.
Too many jerks. I like visiting SF, but people there have long thought they were a little too "special" and self-important. I've always got on well with New Yorkers, who sometimes have some of the same issues, but some how SFers are much more grating and there's frankly less to do there. SF, itself, is a relatively small city and for every desirable area in Marin or say, in the Oakland Hills or Berkeley, there are often very expensive places of no consequence or lots of places with nothing much to recommend them.
Those are the people who marry the Asians, r54
A lot of trust fund communist date raping feminists in that city. Living there for four years actually made me more balanced politically. There were so many laughable, unctuous hypocrites, I started to see things with a "red state" p.o.v. when it came to genuine, nonjudgmental, 'down to earth' people (not that they are easy to find, either). Think Nancy Pelosi et al. Horrible phonies, elitist and dim.
r56 Being a reactionary isn't usually a good thing.
R56 You discovered that leftists are the most intolerant and judgemental people in the United States.
[quote]You discovered that leftists are the most intolerant and judgemental people in the United States.
By Golly, thanks for telling us here at DL! Now I have changed my politics! Is there somewhere I can go and support libertarians!
I remember a lot of good times at the Stud, both locations ... the original fern bar. I love the quality of the air in SF. Fresh and clean. If you like walking it's a great cardio workout with startling, beautiful vistas. I have a friend who's lived for many years on a houseboat in Sausalito. Always thought that was the life. The SF skyline from your window. Sausalito is like a cute village just a short hop from the Big City.
The Bay Area has been completely overrun by Mexicans and the gangs that come with them.
Do dudes hsve nice Buff athletic bods out there?
R51, Marie Callender's used to have "Frisco Burger" on their menu. It was a pretty tasty burger on grilled sourdough. When I went to the Marie Callender's in the Bay Area it had become "San Francisco Burger" on their menu.
R38 I'm seeing way too many cars up here with California plates. They're running from the water drought and they will be creating the same problem up here. Our city govt. is aware of this and soon they will be putting the water brakes on EVERYONE, thanks to the California wing nuts.
When it's cold indoors, it is COLD. Stock up on blankets, thermal socks and sweaters. San Francisco never got the double-pane window memo that NYC got.
I love Sausalito too.
Lots of inappropriate anti-Asian comments here. Please desist. You know how it feels to be the recipient of prejudice queer boys. So please remember that Asians have made the city more diverse and smarter and have way improved the public school system.
[quote]When it's cold indoors, it is COLD. Stock up on blankets, thermal socks and sweaters. San Francisco never got the double-pane window memo that NYC got.
Plus, just like humidity makes heat worse, it makes cold worse. And, SF, when it gets cold, is a damp, humid cold that can really get in your skin and bones.
i hope the racist comments are from the freepers who have taken to infesting this board, not from my fellow gays.
[quote]The Bay Area has been completely overrun by Mexicans and the gangs that come with them.
The Viet Cong and Chinese Triads are just as bad, if not worse.
Yeah -- I'd live in St. Pete.
Unless you already own a home in the Bay Area or rented in Oakland during the recession don't bother...I'm lucky to live right across the street from Lake Merritt for 1,000 a month (rent control). I'm desperately trying to escape to, yes you guessed it, PORTLAND.
R73 you won't be able to find an apt. here as the occupancy turnover rate is less than 2% and housing costs have skyrocketed. However you could find room at a homeless encampment under the Burnside Bridge.
R68, who you calling "queer", dude?
begone hideous racist freeper, r71, please leave this board, your kind is not welcome here!
[quote]So please remember that Asians have made the city more diverse and smarter and have way improved the public school system.
I just shit myself laughing.
Give it a rest R76. You've never been to the bay area, right? Do you know what a Triad is? No and No, right?
R77 as a New Yorker staying at a friend's apt. near Geary Blvd. in SF for a month, I had to use the No. 38 bus to get to downtown. The first thing I noticed was that Asians do NOT line up in a queue to get on the bus. They all storm the bus door at the same time. I thought they were extremely rude. If they pulled that shit in Brooklyn, where I live, they would get their asses kicked in.
lived in SF for 5 years,and i wish a triad would hunt you down and kill you, hideous freeper r78.
God you are sad R80.
R80 I agree. There's a LOT of people who can't handle criticism.
R81 I agree. There's a LOT of people who can't handle criticism and reality.
I live on the border of China'town and civilization. My front door is at the Ritz; my back door is deep in the heart of Stockton and Chinatown. They live in filth and are happy to do so. They have no concept of personal space. Their faces have the perpetual look of confusion when dealing with Anglos.
Harsh you say? Go visit... and they just keep coming. SF is squeezed between the soulless Asians and the soulless techies. Very little charm left. And that charm is expensive.
sad, maybe, but at least not a racist, freeper troll, so i have that going for me, freakshow r71/r77
Just so we are clear, R85, you are perfectly happy with the Vietnamese gangs and the Chinese triads and see nothing wrong with pointing out the danger they bring to the table?
Or, do you think those are bridge clubs?
New rule: when things aren't going well for you in life, blame techies, freepers, [fill in blank].......but under no circumstances look in the mirror.
Don't forget the Koch brothers R87. They only wish they were half as powerful as they are portrayed on DL.
Triad is a song from a Jefferson Airplane album. JA was from San Francisco.
Can we cease with the gangs, Asian, Mexican, Techie wars ?
Let's discuss the various neighborhood/sections of the City .
I was born and grew up in San Francisco. Moved away at 20, never went back. The San Francisco and Bay Area I knew are long gone. My hometown is a foreign city.