- I actually enjoyed season 1, though it was a little slow. It picks up when Daphne comes, and even more when Heather arrives. Heather comes about 10 episodes before the end of the season.
- When a thread appears addressing the datalounge membership as "bitches!" can it be assumed it's the same person posting?
- Billy's poreless skin & smudged lips are the only reason I watched. Certainly not the crap acting!
- Season 1 was way too earnest, almost like fucking Gilmore Girls. Season 2 was really the beginning of the show as an over-the-top prime time soap that we know and love.
- Allison's relationship with Billy starts in season 1, and that is interesting to watch as it unfolds. Her toxic relationship with Billy Moses also starts then.
- Allison and Billy meet
- Season 1 is boring but kinda sweet and dorky. Once Amanda comes in, Alison's ex Keith goes insane and Michael turns into a douchebag, it REALLY picks up. Its worth sitting through all the dull episodes to see how things all slowly go insane. Its strange comparing the pilot with the later episodes, they are complete opposites.
It jumps the shark in season 4 after Kimberly blows the place up. That's when Darren Star left. Its still a lot of campy fun, but end of season 1 to season 3 is brilliant, addictive trash but balanced with really great hilarious dialogue and consistent characterization. From season 4 onwards, everything's just a bit obvious and formulaic.
- I remember when I was in college, one of my professors offered a review session and chose Wednesday night at 9 pm. I remember a girl let out a huge "GASP" and the professor asked her what's wrong, the girl said "that's when I watch Melrose!!!"
- sydney was a fun and wlecome addition. Kicked it up a notch...
- R9 - Loved Syd.
- Billy always made me hard
- Where's the vodka?
- and who could forget MODELS INC, with the tagline that said, "STARRING THE WORLD'S MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMEN... AND LINDA GREY!"
- Billy had the perfect hairy bush and hole hair
- What's your damage, OP? Season 1 was a classy and mature program. It became camp thereafter.
- Heather and Courtney wore nice suits.
- Allison's Glorious Gowns fiasco at D&D (masterminded by Amanda) was one of the greatest moments in 90s pop culture.
- The Rolling Stone cover
- Gosh I loved this show! I was in midddle school and high school when the show was popular and me and the other students would always talk about Melrose in class the following day. It was so much more scandalous than it's sister soap 90210. The first season is very boring but they do a good job setting up characters that we care about, season2 is excellent however and the show officially becomes a full blown nighttime soap, but the storylines are still somewhat realistic and although there's tons of trashiness on the show there are also some sweet storylines too like gay Matt marrying that woman so she's not deported and connecting with her daughter and then having to say goodbye to her. Even the Sydney prostitution storyline had some heart including an AMAZINGLY acted scene where Sydney is in a hotel room with a john and she's crying and tells him that she will still make something out of her life, while he's getting undresded and all he cares about is getting off. Season3 is the best season and the peak of the show both Michael and Kimberly really rocked it this season, and the Amanda and Alison D&D wars were priceless bitchiness. Season 4 started off great with Kimbo blowing up Melrose, but then started to get more ridiculous and campy without even trying to make sense. Every new character introduced would be evil and would be killed off in a hanful of episodes, the show had gotten really mean spirited and it became exploitation for the sake of exploitation, even the "good" characters like Jane, Jo, and Billy started blackmailing people and causing trouble. The worst was when the had a control freak like Amanda "nobody messes with me" Woodward marry Peter who in season 3 plotted to takeover D&D and MURDER her by drugging her and doing a botched medical operation where he would remove her internal organs! I'll do my seasons 5,6, and 7 summaries in another post
- Loved it -- the first primetime soap that I watched from beginning to end. And my god Daphne Zuniga was gorgeous.
- Do remember, however, that if you are watching the DVD releases, you are hearing the HORRENDOUS background music recently added in order to not have to pay the royalties on the 90's pop music they had as the soundtrack during the original broadcast.
- R21 - Daphne was gorgeous the first season or two. I always thought Courtney was naturally the most attractive, followed by Daphne, and then Heather, but that Heather had the most sensuality.
- La Locklear had much better features and a nicer body--and of course was far sexier--than any other woman on that show. Thorne-Smith had huge breasts but that's about it. That mouth!
- Daphne Zuniga was the prettiest one but she always projected certain sadness.
- Courtney had nice legs and hips to go with the chest. She also, even now, has an amazing smile.
- [quote]And my god Daphne Zuniga was gorgeous.
Wasn't she TV's it girl for 15 minutes in the 90s? Her career never went anywhere though.
- R27 Daphne was an 80's teen movie star, a sort of low rent Molly Ringwald, before Melrose. She was in the slasher film The Initiation(written by top Melrose scribe Charles Pratt Jr.), the Sure Thing, Gross Anatomy, Spaceballs, the Fly II so she was the most known cast member until Locklear joined the show later in the first season.
- Kimberly was so sadistic in Season 3. I'm trying to figure out if it was from the crash or her nature.
- R28 - Thanks. I remember her in a movie with Tom Berenger. I thought back then that she would be a huge star. lol.
- Courtney's legs were no great shakes and she didn't have a waist. Especially in the first two seasons that girl was hefty.
- R28 - Courtney was quite well known too. She had been a star in Day by Day, had a recurring role in LA Law, and had been in a few movies.
- 2012 reunion
- The show was nearly cancelled in it's first season but because of it being from the creator of 90210 and a spinoff of that same show Fox gave Spelling and Starr leeway and time to fix it. The conclusion was that in order for the show to continue and become a hit it would have to adopt the soap opera formula, the timing was really good because Knots Landing was coming to an end around the same time, so people needing a nighttime soap fix had Melrose. Nice and sweet conversations about lifes little problems in the courtyard were soon replaced by bitchy one liners and catfights! Everybody's ended up sleeping with (and cheating on) everybody else. Literally half the main cast would be arrested for murder or attemped murder. Characters would be nice one minute and then go completely crazy the next(must be the pool water). And the body count on this show was ridiculous, it was like watching a Friday the 13th, you just knew in a matter of episodes that the slutty male or female charcters would all meet a brutal, untimely demise(not the regulars,except for Brooke Kimberly and Sydney).What's interesting is the success of Melrose inspired a boom of nighttime soaps in the mid '90's that are largely forgotten now(Models Inc., Pacific Palisades, Central Park West,Savannah etc.) It also indpired Spelling and Starr to make 90210 MUCH more soapier and Melrose like that by the time the 90210 gang had graduated college it became harder and harder to tell the 2 shows apart
- Love ya', Melrosian.
- R31 - Courtney looked good with some meat on her bones. It also fit her character as a corn-fed Midwestern.
- Season 5 is actually quite good, the show got bsck on track after the campiness and mean spiritedness of season 4. There is a nice mixture of over the top, sleazy storylines and more grounded stories like Jane finds out she's adopted and finds her birth mother played by Donna Mills! Or after going to rehab for drug addiction, Matt falls for his doctor who becomes physically abusive, the doctor was played by Greg Evigan! Kimberlys brain tumor storyline was also amazing and Marcia Cross deserved at least a Best Supporting Actress in a Drama series Emmy nod that year. There was also thr trashy and addictive storyline of big lipped Taylor and husband Kyle moving into the building because of her childhood obsession with Dr.Peter Burns abd destroying Amanda's marraige to him. That storyline was classic Melrose, unfortunately it would be the last good season as many veterans would leave and more newbies would be shoved down our throats. I'll recap the dreadful seasons 6& 7 later.
- It's weird thinking back now that Kristen Davis's character was such a bitch. I remember an episode when she convinced Alison to use a pitch for an idea in a commercial that eerily resembled the clients own recent tragic death of a loved one committing suicide.
- I remember the episode titles spoofed movie titles.
The ratings for the first season were so bad they had to rethink the whole concept and turned it into the fast faced swinger central soap. Yeah, everybody slept with everybody (except Doug Savant's Matt, off course). You saw hot men and women make out with each other in every room of the apartment building, but with Matt and his rare conquests it was a big deal if you saw them in his living room together drinking or eating something fully clothed. It was an even bigger deal when they cut the moment where Matt kissed Billy's Best Man (Billy was supposed to get married to Courtney, but at the last minute she remembered being molested by her own dad and bolted).
Porn star Tracey Lords had a guest appearance as some crazy cult leader's sidekick who were tormenting Sydney. And I had to laugh at Kristen Davis' character's death walking around the pool wailing with her arms and then slipping on something.
After Matt/Doug Savant left I stopped watching the show.
- More! I love this thread! It brings back such good memories!
- r38, do you know by any chance who played the client? I could have sworn that Andrew Koenig (Boner from Growing Pains) who later killed himself played the client but I just checked IMDB and that guest appearance doesn't show in his profile. But I am pretty sure it was some actor who played a sitcom sidekick.
- The best storyline in the shows history was in season 3 when creepy Henry began appearing in crazy Kimberly's dreams ans reality, and began telling her to kill all those bastards and bitches who lived in Melrose Place! His laugh was so creepy but the storyline itself was pure camp, later after Kimberly takes Henry's advice and is institutionalized for plotting to bump off the entire cast by blowing up Melrose Place we find out that Henry did exist he was the family gardner and as a child Kimberly walked in to Henry raping her mom, she then picked up a butcher knife and killed him! Later the writers give Kimberly multiple personalities including Tupperware queen Betsy and rwd hot motircycle mama Rita! Betsy also secretly ran a mental institution where she kidnapped Peter(Jack Wagner) and tried to give him a lobotomy! To which Amanda replied "somebody ought to lobotomize her". It was PURE camp of the highest order that soaps (whether daytime or primetime) just don't do anymore.
- R41, I was trying to think of him and the only guy I can think of and this is a stretch. I think it was the same actor who was on an episode of Sex and the City. He played a really great guy that was seeing Carrie and Carrie stayed behind his apartment and Carrie got caught snooping around in his apartment even opening up his special secret box of momentos.
- Loved when Sydney was trying to get information at a foot stand and the secret code was....
Pastrami on Rye!!!!!
I miss the 90s where nothing was really that serious...
- Yes Sydney was such a great character it really sucked when they killed her off on her wedding day to that idiot Craig (you wanna talk about bad acting David Charvet takes the cake). Along with Michael and Kimberly she was one of my 3 favorite characters on the show. Laura Leighton originally wanted to stay but Spelling didn't want to give her the money per episode that her agent asked for, reportedly $100,00 an episode. So MP now in it's sixth season saw ratings continue to slide at a remarkable rate as most of the popular characters were gone and replaced by horryfyingly bad acting model types(just like in daytime soaps )! About a year later after Jane had returned to the show Spelling met with Leighton with an idea to bring Sydney back from the dead and have a Michael/slSydney/Jane triangle going on, she turned him down but expressed interest in joining 90210 as a slutty, two timing schemer named Sophie Burns, not a far cry from Sydney really, so that role was created for her
- R38 - Her character was a bitch, but I loved watching Kristin Davis. She was a good foil for Courtney.
- I actually loved season 1, and hated it when the show turned camp. They nixed Amy Locane and Vanessa Williams (the brown-skinned one), added Daphne Z., Laura Leighton and Heahter Locklear, and the campy soapiness insued. Michael became a cheating snake, Allison went off the deep end with her drinking, and who could forget Jake's HOT, bastard of a brother (played by sexy Dan Cortese)?
Daphne probably had the most film credits, but Courtney Thorne Smith had been in quite a few films before MP too ("Lucas", "Side Out", "Revenge of the Nerds 2"...), and she'd done a lot of TV as well. Although Andrew Shue didn't have near the amount of screen presence that his sister Elisabeth Shue has, he was great to look at, but I was always a Grant Show guy. He's STILL hot nowadays. I loved him on the cancelled-way-before-its-time "Swingtown".
- Grant held up better than Andrew.
- I remember when Daphne Zuniga sat next to Steven Spielberg at the Golden Globes.
- Most heard lines on Melrose Place: You Bitch, you bastard, how could you do this to me?,you slut,you son of a bitch,oh my God!, go to hell!, I've always loved you, you slept with her didn't you?, how could you betray me like this?, the sex didn't mean anything it's YOU I love, I don't believe this!, you're insane!, and my favorite.. so what if I tried to kill you, it's you that I've always loved this whole time!
- Sydney was the best. Such a tragic character. The PERFECT mixture of heroine and villain.
Amanda was awesome, especially when she was being dismissive of Allison. The best bitch ever.
Kimberly had the best moment on the show. Ripping her wig off. Matt ripping her wig off. Kidnapping Jo's baby!!! Blowing the building up and being ll giggly about it.
The guys were so hot. One of my favorites was the sleezy Australian guy who Jane worked for. He kidnapped Sydney, forced her to get massages and eat strawberries and was all "I'm going to marry your sister and you will be my WHORE!!!muahaha" Awesome!
- No love for Michael Mancini? I know most gay men love female characters and identify with them, but Michael was the man! I also secretlly wished I could be a gay male version of him complete with sleeping with a bunch of hot guys and using them and playing mind games with them. Michael always got the best, bitchiest dialogue on the show for a male character. His zingers at on again off again crazy wife Kimberly were priceless and hilarious.
- Has no one mentioned Thomas Calabro's HUGE nipples? Those things made my teenage years beautiful.
- [quote]That storyline was classic Melrose, unfortunately it would be the last good season as many veterans would leave and more newbies would be shoved down our throats. I'll recap the dreadful seasons 6& 7 later.
Jamie Luner as Lexi was a great addition -- maybe the only really good one in the later years. She was the Sable to Heather Locklear's Alexis.
- R51- "The PERFECT mixture of heroine and villain." That's Syd.
R54 - Jamie was really good. I didn't watch the later years as much as I did the early years, but I did like Jamie.
- Oh, there was also Alyssa Milano as Michael's sister Jennifer
- [quote] Jamie Luner as Lexi was a great addition -- maybe the only really good one in the later years. She was the Sable to Heather Locklear's Alexis.
Yes! She was the only one among the revolving door of characters from the last two seasons I really got into.
- Lexi was OK but the main problem was by the time Luner joined the show the show was in Suckville territory with no way out. I think Lexi would have really worked as a character if she caused trouble with those other 2 scheming redheads Kimberly and Sydney imagine how awesome those scenes would have been. I did think Lisa Rinna and her enormous cocksucking lips did a good job on the show in seasons 5&6 as Taylor, Amanda's new adversary. She singlehandedly made the awful 6th season somewhat watchable and she always gave really good "bitchface".
- R57 the replacement charcters introduced in season5 onwards were pretty awful, with the possible exception of those bitches Taylor and Lexi. Kyle was a Jake substitute, his younger brother Ryan was a moronic Billy substitue and I always thought Megan was kind of an Alison substitute. Then you had that truly terrible threesome of awfulness Sam, Craig, and Jennifer not only were they all terrible actors but they were in their early 20's and looked like they belonged on 90210 and not Melrose. And then there was pretty boy Coop, yet another daytime soap refugee that the producees hired who couldn't act his way out of a paper bag, but he did get in one great line of dialogue when Lexi was suing him for divorce he told her that "even in a comatose state, Kimberly exuded more sex appeal than you ever will, you dirty whore!" Ouch!
- Lexi and Coop
- Exactly, R59. The character of Billy was nothing but deadweight after Alison left and Sam was as exciting as a soggy bowl of cold oatmeal. The whole thing with the two of them, Jennifer, and the baseball guy was beyond yawn inducing.
- R61 gosh that storyline with the minor league ball player was excruciatingly bad. Season 6 really did kill the show, it was still pretty good trash up until Sydney's "death" in the season 5 cliffhanger finale. Then the show just became "bad trash" and nothing is worse than "bad trash", the show was no longer "so bad that it's really good" it was now "so bad that it's really bad".
- You can definitely tell when Darren Star left the show. The campy, over-the-top elements completely went away and they turned it into a boring, traditional nighttime soap opera. They even managed to completely neuter Marcia Cross' Kimberly.
- What about my part? I was on Jake's boat!
- R63 actually the season that Darren Starr left, season4, had some of the campiest stuff ever seen on TV! Sydney was now a kooky secretary with a flair for '60's Gidget inspired fashion, Brooke drowned in the MP pool only to come back as "zombie brooke" to haunt Billy's dreams! And Kimberly, after blowing up the building became a nymphomaniac, even sleeping with the pool boy! And developed multiple personalities including Betsy who loved to dress in floral Laura Ashley prints, worshipped Martha Stewart and going to Tupperware parties and loved showtunes! Betsey also tried to give that "dirty pig" Michael a "Bobbitt" when he tried to have sex with her and later tried to kill him by whacking him over the head with a hammer. Kimberly also faced off against a sleazy rapist named Vic who kidnapped her, but ultimately was kilked in a car explosion. There were also guest appearances by the likes of Dr. Joyce Brothers, Priscilla Presley, Julie Newmar and last but not least Loni Anderson as a bitch on wheels, over the hill beauty pageant mom who will stop at nothing to make sure her daughter (Brandi, a young Denise Richards) wins Miss Teen California. Loni's hair was so huge and over the top that it deserved it's own billing on the opening credits. It's like Spelling fired all the old writers and hired a group of gay men to right the show! By season 5, however they purposely toned the camp down and the show would never be as fun again.
- Funniest scene in history of the show, Alison got her eyesight back after explosion and pretended to be blind so she could spy on people. After seeing Brooke in Amanda's office, this classic went down:
"Is anybody there?"
"Nobody, you blind BITCH!"
- "Two pea brains and a couple of sluts!!!!"
- It was worth seeing for the camp factor, and for Daphne Zuniga's cavernous nostrils.
- You can't not love Alison and Billy. He couldn't act for toffee but their utter mediocrity as characters was so apparent that it's what gave them incredible merit in my opinion. In a show that was 80% about sociopaths, they were set apart:
- R66 R67 both of the great scenes happened in season 4, I'm telling you that season was so damn campy, words can't explain I thought I was watching a parody of a soap opera instead of a legimate soap opera. And yes Kristin Davis was great as Brooke she was so hareful I loved every minute of it! The "spaghetti dinner" scene with Billy and Brooke has to be seen to be (dis)believed, let's just say Andrew Shue was robbed at the Emmys for his mesmerizing performance in that scene.
- Yep. Season 5 had its hysterically fucked up moments too:
- The only character, of the first set, that I found boring was Jane.
- R71 I remember that storyline good stuff! I can't find on YouTube that HILARIOUS scene from season 4 when Brooke tells Amanda at D&D (the world's most inept "advertising agency") that she tracked down her mobster ex husband and has proof that Amanda faked her death to get away from him. Amanda screams "you bitch! I'll kill you! And then proceeds to pummel Brooke from across the room and starts strangling her ass! I watched that scene as a gay teen while eating cereal and I almost choked to death on my corn flakes, it was so damn funny. Who needs Friends or Frasier, when you have Melrose Place. The funniest show on TV in the '90's!
- r73, actually Amanda pushes Brooke into a wall and screams "THOSE are my personal FILES!"
- R74 thanks for the heads up, haven't seen that clip in years, still hilarious. I still can't find the infamous "spaghetti dinner" scene. I think years from now when were all dead and gone that scene will live on! Students in Major acting schools like Tisch and Julliard will study the scene in class and wonder what pain Andrew (Alithun, I love you) Shue felt and his wonderd to himself "not my spaghetti dinner!" As Brooke cruelly through the pasta across the room with sauce splattering all over the place, screaming out "you stil love that whore"!
Delicious soapy fun like never had been done before, and never successfully replicated since.
It's on my short list of greatest shows ever.
Most shocking moment was definitely Kimberly tearing off her wig. The dumbest moment, and I think the point at which I tuned out forever, was Kimberly blowing up the complex. Somehow for me that crossed a line from "campy" to "stupid". I think I tuned in for another episode or two, and not only is Kimberly not in prison, she is back living in the beautifully reconstructed complex she bombed. I rolled my eyes and decided I'd had too much candy and it was time to change the channel.
- Not only did Kimberly move back into the building she blew up as part of her rehabilitation, she also got a job as a psychiatrist.
- Betsy is even more sinister with a German dub:
- R76 that's part of the shows appeal that anything can happen! I thought it was a hoot when Kimbo moved back into the building and then she became a licensed therapist and one of her patients was Sydney! You know who Kimbo tried to kill and who Kimbo framed for the attempted murder of Michael. I'll never forget the scene of Sydney being carted off in a straight jacket to the looney bin! Does anybody remember Kristian(Days of Our Lives) Alfonso on the show as a Hedi Fleiss like Hollywood madam. Another favorite scene of mine is when Alfonso's character was released from prison and Sydney goes to her to get her job back as one of her call girls, Alfonso says "You'll never get your job back, I don't deal in tramps! And Sydney throws her drink in her face and tries to bitch slap her but is a hauled off by a bodyguard. CLASSIC
- Kimberly also got a night job as a radio host. Hysterical.
- YES! Great recall r79! Kristian Alfonso was absolutely BRILLIANT as Lauren Ethridge, the 'madam' (also the most beautiful she ever looked). That "I don't deal in tramps" line was hysterical, considering what her profession was.
There was a real Charles Dickens flavor to Melrose in Season 2/3 with Sydney as the Oliver Twist like urchin and Lauren as the corrupt Fagin figure.
Hilarious scene when Lauren first turned on Sydney and threatened to break her legs.
- I loved the ads for the show to publicize its move to Monday nights. How can anyone not love MP?
- Rena Sofer was exemplary in the later seasons as Eve, a replacement resident psycho for Kimberly. She had that million dollar Joker smile:
- R82 I also remember ads, I think in Seasons 4 or 5 with a cast picture and the tagline "the bitchfest is back!"
- Marcia was as good if not better than Bette Davis in this type of role.
- R83 Eve was a lot of fun as the psycho cheerleader, who wrongfully(thanks to Amanda) was convicted of murder. I loved,towards the end of the series, when she finally cracked, went psycho, whipped out the old cheerleading outfit from high school and began cheering 2-4-6-8 Who will I Inihalate?
- I always thought Jane was the most attractive woman on the show, she had classic beautiful features and flawless skin. Even during her bad hair eras, like the pageboy cut in season2 and the I've been attacked by a weed whacker hair fiasco of season 4.
- Jane?! Dear god! If you'd said Sydney I would have been right there with you brother.
- R87 - When did she not have bad hair? I liked Syd's early hair. Alison's looked better long.
- Alison looked great in seasons 4&5 she lost the weight and straightened and colored her hair just right. Her hair stryles in the first 2 seasons were pretty bad though. Her "prom queen extravaganza" hair from season 2 was the worst.
- R90- I liked Alison's season 1 hair. She cut it short in season 2 or 3, and that didn't look good.
- Another favorite plot line from season 4 was when Syd, feeling jealous and insecure, put a sleeping pill in Jane's drink to get drunk, horny Jane away from Michael. Jane had a stroke and ended up in a wheelchair and Sydney had to take care of Jane at the beachhouse. Great scene where Syd fantasizes about pushing Jane in front of an oncoming truck. In the end Syd tried to put Jane in a retirment home and when Jane objected, Syd pushed Jane out onto the beach at high tide so she could have the beach house to herself when Michael got home. Jane almost get swept away in the tide until Jake happen to come along and rescue her.
Jane was a pretty dull character and a complete failure as a bitch, but she made a great eternal victim character.
- R92 - Jane was the eternal victim character. I think the Jane's stroke storyline was an example of shark jumping that happened in season 4.
- R73 I had forgotten about the ex-husband, played by Antonio Sabato, Jr. at his most lickable.
An abusive husband who looked like that...who would tum from that?
- The whole 4th season was shark jumping! Frank South and Charles Pratt. JR tried desperately to live up to Darren Star's excellent third season and the show became a camp travesty/parody as a result. But it was still so addicting! The whole season was like watching a car crash, you couldn't turn your head for a minute. I'm still surprised FOX allowed some of those storylines on the air, I mean Kimberly facing off against Vic a serial killer/rapist who kidnapped her and had her tied up bound and gagged. She had to use some karate/ lNo More Victims Camp moves to defeat him!
- Jane was such a narcissist. She was absolutely vile. I could cope with Kimberly's sociopathic behavior and Sydney's snark because they were out in the open and you could see them coming a mile off. Jane believed she was owed the world - she drained everybody around her and was just as quick to proclaim her own life a disaster as she was to shut the door in her desperate sister's face time and again. That's why I thought her Season 5 meltdown when she stalked Jake and Alison and threw a brick through their window was perfectly in character. It was not some random transition. It had been building up to that kind of behavior for 5 seasons.
Jane was passive aggressive. There was so much hatred inside of her. Kimberly had a specific motivation for wigging out (pardon the pun), treating everybody like crap, being abusive to Matt and even stealing Jo's baby --- Michael putting her in a coma and obviously giving her some kind of brain damage.
Jane had absolutely no motivation for the crap she pulled on people. I mean god, Alison was raped by her old dad in the basement - the most destructive thing she ever did was hit the bottle. That girl WAS deserving of sympathy.
- Loved Sydney's Season 3 opening credit shot!
- r70 - here it is!! The infamous 'spaghetti scene' with Billy and Brooke!
Brilliant. Absolutely BRILLIANT:
- Remember when Rae Dawn Chong was Rhonda's (Vanessa Williams's) psycho roomate?
- R97 - Yes, great moment for Syd.
R98 - Classic scene
R99 - I have to admit that I do.
- Unfortunately, a lot of the music tracks on the original Melrose episodes have been replaced on the dvds because of copyright issues.
That classic scene scene where Lauren denies Sydney her old job originally had Show Me Love by Robin S playing in the club, which was an absolutely fitting for the Sydney character, giving the scene a really distinctive bite.
They replaced it with something utterly unremarkable:
- Amanda v Alison
- Alison and Keith in their good times.
- Dan Cortese upped the hot quotient when he appeared as Jake's conniving brother
- Speaking of Alison and Keith, this has got to be the most unintentionally hilarious attempted rape scene of all time.
Between Alison's heavy breathing and Keith's lines.
- Alison's drinking started after the Keith suicide.
- Did anybody love the storyline when Jane and Sydney thought they killed rapist/fashion dedigner Richard and bury him alive, only to have his hand come popping up out of the grave. He than started stalking them and tried to kill them. They thought he was dead of course.
- No, that was too far over the top, R107.
- I was so disappointed with the hand coming out of the ground episode. That was the big cliffhanger for the season 4 finale and I thought it was so incredibly lame.
- R108 that storyline was happening as the same time as "Betsy " kidnapped Peter and held him hostage in a mental institution while trying to lobotomize him! Amanda and Michael found and tried to break Peter out only for "Betst" to lock them on the boiler room. Eventually they got out with Nurse Priscilla Presley's help and "Betsy" fell, reverted back to Kimberly, and fell into a coma.
- Melrose was such a phenomenon and had such a gay following (gee I wonder why)! That there was a gay porn spoof called "Santa Monica Place". There was also one of the first internet only shows called The Spot based on Melrose. But most telling was the daytime soap Loving which in response to the massive success of Melrose decided to kill off half it's cast wittle it down to 12 people and have everyone move from Pennsylvania to a New York high rise apartment building. Morgan Fairchild was brought in aa an Amanda type landlord involved in all thr tenants lives, the show's name was changed to The City and ABC Daytime publicized it as an East Coast Daytime version of Melrose
- God I loved this show. I don't know if there'll ever be another like it. Shows take themselves way too seriously these days, even nighttime soaps.
Revenge, for a perfect example. What started out as fun camp degenerated into self serious crap about espionage and the like.
And wow oh wow was Melrose 2009 the biggest missed opportunity of the decade. After a decent pilot, it turned into a big snoozefest with wet blanket characters and storylines that went nowhere.
And I'll never forget that hooker who always had clients that looked like male models.
- I just want to let you know that I think you are DISGUSTING...
- Okay Amanda, I'm just going to lay it all out on the table. If Eric Bains is willing to drop all of this for one roll in the hay with you, then for God's sake get off your high horse and DO HIM before we all lose everything - I mean, this is my restaurant we're talking about here!
- Hilarious promo from Season 1.
- "I'm going to do you the way you did me. And when I'm done with you? All you'll be left with is that proverbial wish: that you'd never been born."
Cut to Alison, staring in that goofy way, wondering if she should fear for her life or if she should go to Target for some new granny panties.
- Melrose invented a new genre in television - the nihilistic sitcom.
- I think someone upthread asked when Jane had long hair - I'm pretty sure she did after she returned to the show, but also during her later "psycho" season on her original run. Here's a priceless moment from it!
- The bitch is back...
- "Look at you, you're a selfish philandering *dripping wet* BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!
That I'd want you at all is amazing."
- Btw the Melrose revival of several years' back made the SAME fucking mistake as the first one: it tried to be all schmaltzy and serious with nice characters and whatnot its first season, not realizing that people wanted TRASH. Much like the first one, they brought in Heather Locklear to slut things up, and sure enough the regular characters started acting up and sleeping with their neighbors, but unlike the first one, which had the heavy and powerful hand of Aaron Spelling behind it to keep the network in check, the revival's turn-around was too little, too late. Finally, its central premise -- to bring back Sydney from the dead, only to kill her off IN THE FIRST EPISODE -- has to be the most retarded story decision of television's last decade.
- R121 - lol - I know. Terrible storyline. Plus, they didn't even have the awesome theme at the beginning. That was one of the best parts of Melrose.
- Nobody you blind bitch...
- Does anybody remember Mackenzie (One Day at a Time) Phillips stint as Maureen, Kimberly's bunkmate at the No More Victims Camp? I remember Kimbo was having illusions of the women of Melrose there hauntin her and making fun of her well crazy bitch thought it was reality and got in a catfight with Mackenzie ending with Kimbo punching her in the woods on the ground!
- Jane wore her hair long for the first part of season 4 when her character was trying to be a scheming bitch. Then she had it cut to Mia Farrow/Jean Seberg proportions and landed in the wheelchair. Josie Bisset couldn't pull off long hair and looked her best when her hair was short.
- Josie had long hair before MP, in every film and TV show she was in. I think she probably cut it short for the character of Jane.
- R123 - That's a great clip. Also shows off Kristin's full ass.
R125 - Josie looked better with long hair The problem in he show is that they usually had Jane's hair in a little pigtail when she was growing it out.
- R115 - Thanks for the clip. Courtney is such a better actor than Andrew is.
- "The 5 Stages of Addiction to Melrose Place"
by Paul Baker
STAGE ONE: Apathy
typical comment: "Oh, you're not watching *that* again are you. Isn't there anything else on?"
typified by: talking all the way through the show, about something else.
STAGE TWO: Questioning
"Why is she a 'special guest star'?
"Which one's married to Michael?"
"Why is she/he trying to kill him/her?"
"Amanda/Jake/Sydney etc is hot."
typified by: trying to make sense of the unreality, and work out who's not had sex with Michael.
STAGE THREE: Watching
"I finally understand and like Sydney."
"Shut up, I'm trying to watch this"
typified by: realising that Melrose Place is no ordinary soap-opera, normal rules do not apply. Realising that you are no longer sexually attracted to anybody on the show, but you are starting to care about them in ways that you'd rather not deal with.
STAGE FOUR: Addiction
"I really *want* Alison to get back together with Billy"
"It's OK, I'm taping this"
"She is a special guest star because it's good to be special, it's good to be a guest, and it's good to be a star, but it's great to be a special guest star"
typified by: getting a lump in your throat when roller-blade girl is shown, feeling almost shakey with excitment when Amanda triumphs again, being furious if a character is given a bad-taste haircut or acts out of character.
STAGE FIVE: Expert Addiction
"Jake never had sex with Alison, in the first series she helped him to pass his exams and they kissed but nothing happened."
"The D+D building is actually Aaron Spellings Offices, I should know, I've been chased away by a security guard"
"Hey, I had a year of college!"
typified by: becoming an expert on Melrose Trivia, having a picture of Sydney for your screen-saver. Knowing several episodes in advance exactly what is going to happen, without reading about it. Generally having no other life to speak of.
- "Goodnight, Sweet Melrose"
So what does the end of Melrose Place mean to you?" the reporter asked. This was cool, being interviewed by telephone for an article on the end of MP, by a nice woman who wrote a syndicated column that Stacie had hooked me up with. I thought hey, I sure won't run out of things to say on this subject. I was getting even more chatty about Melrose Place than I had ever been lately. Unfortunately, my mind went blank. "Wow, it's uh, really..."I sounded about as sharp as Billy Campbell. On a bad day. I ended up telling her it was basically very sad and depressing, even though the show hadn't been the same since the end of season 5. The end of an era. Actually, I may not have been articulate enough to say that last part.
Maybe it's because the way I feel, sappy as it sounds, is hard to put into words. I knew it would be a drag when MP ended, but I tried not to think about it, because I always thought, "I'm going to have to find something else on TV to take its place, I guess." But I could never think of anything that would take its place. If she'd asked me how I felt, maybe that would have been easier. Kind of the way you feel the day before your fun vacation is over, and you're going to have to go back to work. It feels a lot like the time I drove up to one of my favorite Italian restraunts, that I had been going to for 10 years, and found it boarded up, with only a notice that a new Mexican restraint would be opened by new owners in about a month. It wasn't just the food I'd miss, though I'd miss that a lot. I'd miss the excitement of getting dressed up to go out to dinner there on a Saturday night or a special occasion, the times I had sitting around with my friends, drinking wine, and talking and laughing. I was just kind of at a loss, dissapointed and sad that one of my favorite places was completely gone. As I've followed the auction, and I've watched bids for the props and wardrobe from the set climb so high that I have no chance of getting anything, I also feel kind of like the time I was on vacation and left my purse on a chair to go and pick up my order at a fast food restraunt, then a few minutes later realize my purse was missing and I wasn't going to get it back. Now that it's sunk in that there isn't going to be a next episode to look forward to ever again, I mostly feel numb.
It's also easier to look back and remember MP, though that kind of makes me sad too. And I do have lots of memories.
I remember the first time I ever heard of MP, leafing though the TV section of the paper to see an article about its premiere. The picture of Andrew Shue caught me eye because his smile reminded me a little of my then-boyfriend, now husband's. I remember thinking, "Oh, another one of those lame soaps that will last about a month before it gets cancelled that no-one will watch." I kept getting it confused with a short lived soap that aired around the same time with Drew Barrymore, 2000 Malibu Road.
I didn't have anything else to do after 90210 one night a few months later, and thought I'd leave the TV on. I wasn't instantly hooked. I think after the first time I watched it all the way through, they had the scenes from next week, with Billy's boss sexually harassing him, and I kind of liked that and thought I'd watch next week to see what happened. I started then to get interested in the sub-plot about the doctor who was tempted to cheat on his wife at work with another doctor--I didn't want him to but part of me hoped he'd do it. Things heated up, and sometime between then and the 90-minute season finale, I was hooked. I was surprised to hear myself say out loud, "I love this show." during the opening credits of the finale, as I watched the camera track through Allison and Billy's apartment while U2's "Even Better than the Real Thing." played. And when Jane held up her hand to show her wedding ring to Kimberly and proceeded to tell her off, I clapped and said, "All right!" out loud, something I couldn't ever remember doing at a TV show before...
- "I remember looking forward to the premiere even more in 1994...the "Mondays Are a Bitch" ad campaign really psyched me up for it. I realized the show had dropped any pretenses of trying to teach moral lessons, like 90210, and just came out of the closet for what it was: a trashy, cheesy, over-the-top parody of a nighttime soap. By calling it a parody, I don't mean it as a put-down...it seemed to take all the watered-down stuff on daytime soaps, cut to the chase, and show what fans wanted to see. Cat-fights, people trying to kill one another, passionate sex, someone calling someone else a bitch or a bastard right to their face. The show knew what it was and didn't try to take itself too seriously.
I started taping the episodes early in the third season, right after the scene where Alison tells off her pervert dad at a family barbecue and I thought, what the hell is wrong with me, not taping this so I can watch it again? I started watching episodes more than once. About halfway through season 3, I asked my then-boyfriend-now-husband if he'd mind watching an episode with me, and he actually said he'd give it a try. Three episodes later, he was coming home after work Monday night and wanting to watch the tape of MP right away to see what happened. He started having just as much fun as I did watching it, and making fun of the dumb parts. I never once had to pout to get him to watch it, and he took a break from work to come home and watch the third season finale with me. Right off the bat, he loved Peter and Michael together, and laughed at almost everything they did. I realized somewhere along the way, I had stopped wanting Michael dead and started looking forward to any scene he was in to add comic relief to. I remember getting to the point where I would not miss an episode for ANYTHING, I didn't care what it was, MP took priority. Dinner at the White House? Sorry, MP is on that night. I remember actually having nightmares that I fell asleep and missed an episode, or spaced out and forgot to tape an episode. I remember beginning to order Chardonnay when I ordered white wine and the server would ask me what kind, because Amanda and Kimberly had ordered it during a scene where they met in a bar to plot against Michael. If it tasted horrible, I might have stopped, but I decided it was my favorite and it is my wine of choice to this day.
I remember the Oklahoma bombing, and MP making the decision not to show the explosion. I remember opening up a tabloid and reading the 3rd season finale spoiler that Kimberly was going to blow up MP. At first I thought it was so over-the-top that the tabloid had made it up. Then I remember thinking clearly "this is it, this is the peak of MP. They'll never be able to top this, and everything after this will just be downhill. They won't be able to go anywhere but down after they've played all their cards." I also knew somehow that MP was the most popular it would ever get. Both Rick and I knew that the bomb had been cut out of the finale, but we both loudly and simultaneously went, "Oh, MAN! NO WAY!" when the picture froze with Kimberly's finger right over the detonator and the smile on her face.
By this time, books, tie-ins, and magazines started coming our with Melrose Place as the theme, and I got so excited every time I found a new one. I remember during the summer before the 4th season, feeling sad because the wedding I'd planned for a year had come and gone (post-wedding depression) and wondering what I was gonna do with myself now that all the planning and anticipating was over. The night before we left for our honeymoon I found "The Official MP Companion" at the book store and being so overjoyed I forgot all about being depressed. I remember also very clearly being on my honeymoon, starting to get bummed out because it was our last night at Disneyland and we were going to have to fly back the next day. I was watching TV at the Disneyland Hotel and the station was on FOX.
- " I held my breath as the teaser for the premiere said, "Get ready, because this season of MP... begins with a bang!" and they showed the explosion. I jumped up and down on the hotel bed I was so excited. Whooo-hooo! Suddenly I felt sooooo much better. This is still up there with the best of my honeymoon memories, along with Disneyland and getting my picture taken under the Melrose Place street sign at an intersection on Melrose in L.A.
I remember not being disappointed at all by the 4th season, though I was worried it wouldn't live up to the 3rd. In fact, the show seemed to have plenty of very funny, intentional humor. Michael and Sydney were incredible. They just got more and more hilarious. The show was so over-the-top, and they were throwing in all kinds of fun things and twists, and Sydney started dressing like an extra from the set of Austin Powers. I remember going out shopping and seeing a mod outfit at a vintage clothing store almost identical to one of Sydney's and buying it mainly because of that.
I remember when my believability was stretched to the breaking point when Kimberly not only got out of the hospital, not only moved back into MP, but started her own psychiatric practice. Alison married Brooke's father. After a couple of months, I just gave in and enjoyed the hell out of it, no matter how crazy it got.
I remember talking back to the screen and really meaning it, not just by calling someone a slut, but caring what certain characters did. When Alison thought she saw Hailey after his death, then went up to the bar, I heard myself urgently saying, "No Alison...don't do it, Alison!" as if that would make any difference in her ordering a drink or not. I might clap or say, "You tell 'em!" while watching a show, but it's rare that I actually start TELLING characters to do something. I've done it the most on MP.
I wasn't "online" till the 5th season, so I read all my spoilers in magazines. I tried not to, or to tell myself just to read the first half, then throw away the rest not to spoil it. Didn't always work. There were times when I'd see a headline like "SHOCKING MELROSE TWIST!" and have to tear the page out of the tabloid FAST while I still could, rip it up, and throw it away. Then I would later pull it out of the garbage and try to tape it back together to read it. At one point--I am not making this up--I had to start ripping it up and flushing it down the toilet, the only way to keep myself from reading it. Unfortunately, there was the time before I knew what was going to happen to Brooke, when I turned the page in a tabloid and the headline "BILLY HAUNTED BY BROOKE'S DROWNING" leaped out at me before I could look away. That took care of that surprise. But I loved every minute of "No Lifeguard On Duty."
I couldn't help myself later when tempted by spoilers and read that Kimberly would develop multiple personalities and try to give Peter, Amanda, and Michael lobotomies. I thought, OK, that is the most over-the-top they can get without having someone be abducted by a UFO. I didn't believe this one would really happen until the plot started going that in that direction. I also realized the show was going to start having to get a little bit more serious, because it was in danger of crossing the line into bad self-parody. It was okay so far, but reallly treading on thin ice.
- "I loved every minute of the finale, though I had the feeling that the writers might have painted themselves into a corner with Kimberly and had nowhere else to go with her. I remember seeing that Jo would be leaving--the first original cast member to start trickling out. Never a good sign, but we'd see. I remember sitting there with my friends, loving the finale, all of us laughing very hard when Michael and Amanda tried to disguise themselves as mental patients to help Peter escape evil Betsey. I remember all of us jumping when Richard's hand suddenly clawed through the dirt, a la "Carrie", even though I had an idea of what was going to happen. I remember not seeing any "scenes from the next MP" and then remembering it was the finale, and thinking, there is no way I'm gonna make it 4 months till the premiere. I'm gonna go into withdrawal or something.
I remember reading an article about the 5th season, with someone connected with the show saying, "We're going to start making the show a little more realistic, and get out of the psych wards and more into relationships." I remember feeling relieved--little did I know I'd be longing for the over-the-top wackiness of Sydney being a porno producer or Kimberly giving Peter shock treatments very badly during the 6th season. I also remember a smaller part of me worrying that the show might get too serious and not as fun and campy.
I remember that the 5th season just wasn't as fun for some reason, and the media had started to notice this. It was becoming less "in" to be a MP fan, but I stuck by the show. New characters were introduced, lots of them, some interesting and amusing, some terrible. I hated Taylor at first, but realized by the end of the season she was pretty entertaining, especially compared to, say, Samantha. I still wouldn't miss my Monday night Melrose fix for anything. I remember the other time I talked back to the TV and really meant it--when Peter couldn't do surgery because he was traumatized, and was in a coffee shop when a man was in a car wreck, and you could see on his face him trying to work the nerve up to help it. I was saying, "Come on Peter...you can do it...come on....YES!" and clapping when Peter finally ran over to help the guy. (I also remember thinking, "Thank God no-one but my cat saw me doing that") Right around the time Peter finally slept with Taylor, I got online, and couldn't believe there were people as obsessed with the show as I was. I laughed so hard at the MP Drinking Game, and was thrilled when the rules I sent in were added. I started reading spoilers on the net, though the big ones still came from the tabloids.
I remember reading somewhere that Marcia Cross would be leaving MP in a few months, and feeling very sad. Again, they had nowhere left to go with Kimberly, but I was going to miss her so much, and knew the show would never quite be the same. I watched Kimberly being killed off, knowing it was the beginning of the end, or at least a different show. Even though she'd done everything possible, committed every sin, been involved in every plot twist the writers could imagine and there was nowhere else to go with her character, when people think of MP, they think of Kimberly and her insanity.
I missed her, but the show still had Sydney around. Then I read she would be leaving too, and then I knew MP was in big trouble. Alarm bells started going off. Then I read about Grant Show and Courtney-Thorne Smith leaving, and realized the exodus of staple characters was just going to get worse. I tried to prepare myself. I was so mad at Laura Leighton and the producers for killing Sydney off over a salary dispute. When I read in a tabloid (having fallen off the spoiler wagon again) that she'd be killed by a car on her wedding day, I was in denial. Hey, they'd said Hailey was gonna die in a plane crash, and they said Jake was gonna jump in front of the bullet when Jane shot Richard! None of that happened!
- "I was lucky enough to get to go to one of the "Finale Parties" thrown by FOX, where the finale would be broadcast live on-screen in a movie theater. A BIG movie theater. There were over a thousand people there. I waited in line for 2 hours, seeing that the fans in line weren't all women in their 20's. There were older guys who looked like plumbers, middle-aged women, frat guys, high school girls, a couple of grandmothers. I went in and felt like it was my birthday, there were tables full of free MP pins, stickers, postcards, and also free food and drink. All you wanted. I kept going back for more of those stickers, though now I wish I'd gotten even more. I made fun of two volunteers from the audience who got up to act out a scene from the show and looked like dorks, until the announcer handed each of them a giant-size "Mondays Are A Bitch" poster. I never got called up there for trivia--which was too bad, because there were a few questions that no-one but me got. They also got the crowd psyched up by showing last week's episode, which everyone loved. You should have heard people cheer when Alison pulled a bottle of Stoli out of her grocery bag. During the credits, the guys cheered the most at Heather Locklear and Laura Leighton. The women screamed the most for Jack Wagner and Andrew Shue. Lisa Rinna got booed.
The master of ceremonies urged everyone before the show to yell out whatever they wanted, telling us this was an audience participation event. "If Amanda is being a bitch, then you guys call her a bitch! If someone is being a tramp, call them a tramp!"Everyone was happy to oblige. The second Heather Locklear made her first appearance, even though she was just walking by innocently in the background, some guy promptly yelled, "Bitch!" to much hilarity. Everyone cheered every time Peter called Taylor a slut in the episode, and you should have heard them go nuts when Peter finally caught on to Michael and Taylor's plan by overhearing them outside the window. I can't tell you how fun it was yelling, "You can do it, Peter!" when he was getting ready to push Taylor off the lookout. When Matt was on trial during his custody battle for Chelsea, and the attorney for the mother came to question him and brought up with homosexuality, someone yelled, "But he never has sex!" People laughed for a long time at that one.
But the biggest reaction of the night came when Sydney got hit by the car. I already knew what was going to happen, but wisely kept my mouth shut. When the photographer told her outside the wedding chapel that he wanted to take some pictures just of her, some people were already figuring it out and starting to groan. When the moment of impact came and poor Syd bounced off the hood, every one of those thousand plus people in the movie theater went, "WHOOOOA!!" at the top of their lungs. After it was over and we were leaving, I didn't know which made me sadder--the fact that it was over, or the fact Sydney was almost certainly dead.Or maybe the fact that some bimbo who had admitted she didn't usually watch MP won the grand prize--a copy of the finale script autographed by every cast member. People booed, because she didn't even get the trivia question and they gave it to her anyway because they were out of time. I seriously considered going up to her and saying, "Can I see that for just one second?" then running like hell. I also kicked myself for not bringing along a few fifty dollar bills and offering them to her for the script on the spot.
I wanted that script so bad. Still do.
- "I was excited for the 6th season, though most of my anticipation was due to the rumor that two openings had been filmed, one where Syd lives and one where she dies. I think I knew deep down there was no chance of her making it. I got excited when they showed the teaser with just the pool guy, fishing various items out of the pool--handcuffs, panties,etc--while the MP theme played in the background. But the 6th season started off bad with no-one even telling Michael about Sydney's death, and got worse in a hurry. There were a few bright moments--Taylor trying to get pregnant, Craig shooting himself, Michael and Peter's little Western showdown in the hall of the hospital while Sergio Leone type music--but it had become something to sit through rather than anticipate. Shooters was gone. D&D was gone. They said that the series finale was the end of an era? D&D shutting its doors, Billy kissing Alison goodbye at the airport, Jake saying Shooter's was going to be turned into a Laundromat, that was the end of an era. It just wasn't the same. I didn't like the jazz club as a substitute for Shooters and I sure as hell didn't like Alyssa Milano as a replacement for Sydney. I don't know who I was happier to see go, her , Craig, or Samantha. I was a little more excited for the 7th season, since most of the characters I couldn't stand were gone, and Josie Bissett was coming back. But I wanted the old Melrose Place back. With at least one of the redheads back in it.
I remember getting the idea for a column, and writing to Stacie, who was so friendly and told me she'd be glad to have me write it. I really had fun doing it every week, and seeing it on the net. I had a feeling this was going to be the last season, and wanted to do something online while the show lasted.
Though I'd read an article in January talking about how the writers were getting ideas together for the series finale in case the show wasn't renewed, I still had some hope. Jack Wagner had said he'd love to do another season, and Locklear sounded hopeful too. I had mixed emotions seeing the announcement first thing Monday morning on E!Online--I was sort of relieved, because I knew the show should be ended before it got as bad as the 6th season again, and not many of my friends watched it anymore. Most gave up during the 6th season which I don't blame them for, I suppose. My husband still watched it with me, and I had also gotten my mom hooked on the show during the 5th season. But something that had been a big part of my life was ending.
I started doing Top 10 lists, because there was so much about the show that I loved, so many moments and lines that I wanted to put down while I still could. I finished my last one late Sunday afternoon, the day before the last episode. Earlier in the day I had temporarily deleted Stan's site from my bookmark list, because it had a scene-by-scene spoiler of the finale that I was scared I'd break down and read during a weak moment. I had a lot of weak moments during the last 2 weeks before the finale. I was all moody and crabby, due to the show ending, the fact I was trying to wrap up a lot of writing about the show, and also due to the fact I was slowly realizing, as the prices climbed out of my price range, that I didn't have a chance in hell of even getting a minor item from the official auction. I was already feeling sorry for myself, and while I knew most of what would happen on the finale, I wanted there to be SOME mystery left, and some surprises.
In fact, in the two weeks leading up to the finale, I think I went through most of the "stages of grief" that you hear about in Psycho 101. Anger, Denial, Bargaining, Depression, and Acceptance. Anger, as in, "How DARE they only give the fans a ONE HOUR finale?? FOX says they don't want to move the Ally finale to another night? Well, SCREW THEM!" Denial, as in "This isn't gonna be the last episode. They were just kidding. I'm sure they'll leave some cliff-hangers open for several TV movies" or "Well, I think I have a pretty good chance of winning the auction for Michael's desk-plate". Bargaining came about a week from the finale...I started realizing I'd do anything for just one more season, please God, just one more, I don't care how crappy it is, at least I'll still have the hope that the show will improve, and at least I can put off dealing with the show being over for another year. Depression started to come the day of the finale, when I realized this was really it, and furthermore, I was about about several hundred dollars short of even getting something crappy from the auction. That stage is still going on, and hasn't gotten much better since May 25th. Acceptance, I'm working on. My poor, patient husband, who has never once complained, cut me off, or rolled his eyes no matter how long and redundantly I rambled on about Melrose Place at any point in the last 6 years, finally had to tell me to knock it off when, the Wednesday before the finale, we saw an ad for the 90-minute series finale of "Home Improvement" and I started raving for the 50th time about how even that piece of crap got 90 minutes. "Yes, honey, you've explained that to me several times before", he kindly cut me off before I could finish. I was not fun to be around.
- "I was having big-time mood swings the day of the finale. I also felt conflicted. I counted the hours till 8:00pm, but knew when the time came that it would all be over.
I remembered how before, the hour leading up to 8:00pm Mondays would seem to be the slowest hour of the day...and the time from 8:00-9:00 would seem more like 5 minutes, not an hour. I remembered all the other years, how excited I was the day of the finale. But those days, I wasn't sad, because I knew Melrose would be back in the fall. Today I was sad. The day was here, and I was excited, but tomorrow at this time it would all be over.
The time before the finale on May 24th seemed to zip by pretty fast. Before I knew it, it was time to crack open a bottle of champagne, make popcorn, and gather in front of the TV. I got a very funny feeling when they started to show the clips. Something about the words "July 1992" coming on the screen...when I realized how fast the seasons had gone by..and that this was really it...something inside me started to hurt. I loved watching the clips, especially since they picked some pretty good ones. Especially with the theme played in the background. But knowing that it was almost all over, I could barely smile.
The finale would have zipped by even if they'd given the fans the 2 hours they deserved (don't even get me started on this) but so much was crammed into one hour that it was the fastest hour of MP ever aired. I didn't want to look at the VCR clock to see how many minutes were left, because I knew I would panic. Since I'd read spoilers of the finale in the tabloids, and TV Guide's article gave most of it away, there were few surprises. My mother and my husband hadn't read anything even resembling a spoiler, and they both said about 2 seconds after the cabin blew up, "They're not dead, they faked it." I was pleasantly surprised at Michael's happy ending, as the writers said over and over in advance that "Michael will finally get what he deserves." I'm glad nothing bad happened to him. But that funeral scene was so short, and the final wedding scene was over almost before I could blink. I felt sad but numb, and it wasn't just because of the entire bottle of champagne I'd consumed. I was hoping they'd wind up with the Melrose theme playing as Peter and Amanda romped i n the surf (as pictured in the tabloids) but there wasn't even a very lingering shot of them walking off into the sunset. I sat there patiently waiting for something, maybe some of the actors at the wrap party telling the fans goodbye, anything but that Spelling Productions logo for the last time. I didn't expect scenes from next week, I don't know what I expected, I felt like I'd been hit over the head with a very large board when they started showing "Previously on Ally McBeal".
I didn't cry. It was one of those horrible moments in your life when you are actually too depressed to cry.
I went to a grocery store on the way home to do my shopping, and sort of walked around pushing the cart like a zombie. I started to reach for the soap opera magazines near the checkout to scan for any mention of gossip on Melrose Place, until I remembered. That hurt. The thought that kept running through my head like a broken record was, "it's over. It's over. I can't believe it's over." It kept running through my head the rest of the night, and through the next day. It's slowed down some now that a few days have gone by, but every once in a while it will hit me again. I still haven't totally broke down and sobbed yet, though I started to do it the second time I replayed the video of the final episode, and the opening song came on with lyrics about "remember me..." Then I realized I was getting teary over a Sarah McLaughlin song, and hastily pulled myself together. That moment will definitely come, though. Hopefully I'll only have to have one or two really good, pathetic cries, then do what you usually do when you've lost something that was a big part of your life--remember the good times, and look back happily on the memories.
- "I won't remember Melrose Place the way the last episode was wrapped up, not with a bang, but with a whimper. I won't remember all those times during the sixth season when the show was so bad it even embarrassed me. I won't remember the characters the way we see them for last time on the finale.
I'll remember how every day leading up to the finale episode each season I felt like a little kid on Christmas Eve, thinking the time till I got to open my presents would last forever. I'll remember how I'd started to get excited around five minutes before each episode started, making sure the VCR was set up, the anticipation to see what was going to happen next. I'll remember the Mondays when I was going through a bad time at work, and how thinking, "Melrose tonight!" was sometimes the only thing that got me out of bed in the morning. I'll remember gasping in shock when Kimberly took off her wig. I'll remember laughing out loud in delight when Amanda told Jake, "In my office--NOW!" then started making out with him once they got there. I'll remember Kimberly the way she was, homicidal and over the top, and I'll remember the look on her face right before she rammed that pencil through the shrink's hand.I'll remember the episodes that I watched alone, and calling my friends or my mom or my husband as soon as the commercial break came on to say, "Oh God, that was so great!" because I couldn't wait till the end of the show. I'll remember the way I cheered when someone called someone else a bitch or a slut to their face. I'll remember sitting around with my friends, all of us yelling and laughing so hard when Sydney came out to strip at Billy's bachelor party that I was worried the neighbors would phone in a noise complaint. I'll remember having very long, in-depth discussions with people I barely knew about what would happen next week on the show. I'll remember making friends because we started out talking about Melrose. I'll remember my husband and I loving almost everything Michael and Peter did, and rewinding certain moments several times they were so awesome. I'll remember the way I'd lean close to the TV, holding my breath when it came time for scenes from the next Melrose Place, then playing the preview back over and over. I'll remember smiling every time I remembered something great that had happened during an episode, no matter how down I was at the time. I'll remember feeling like I died and went to heaven for several seasons every time the credits started, and my favorite hour of the week began. I'll remember Melrose Place as my favorite, most beloved TV show of all time.
Goodbye, Melrose. I'll never forget you. Never.
-Kitten With a Whip"
- Jesus Effin' Christ. That clip from R98 is one of many excellent examples of how shitty Andrew's acting was. Damn.
- [quote]Plus, they didn't even have the awesome theme at the beginning. That was one of the best parts of Melrose.
I completely disagree. Other than the boring-as-paint-drying first season, the MP theme was the worst thing about the show. Uninspired dreck. I always wanted them to change it, and can't stand the theme to this day.
- I loved the cheesy theme!
- I loved the theme too. It exemplified all the tacky, gaudy, trashy, garish, plastic, stinking, filthy evocations of early 90s downtown Los Angeles. It was art.
- Peter dumps Taylor at the altar. Speaking of Peter, he did originally try and kill Amanda in Season 3 but they seemed to get over that quibble rather quickly.
- Jake and Alison brief kiss. Also at about 0:50 big smile from Alison.
- I always loved that episode, R143!
- More Jake and Alison (plus drunk Billy).
- Remember the episode from season one where Allison was robbed at gunpoint? There's a moment in that episode where she just loses it in the middle of the street, and lets out a billowing scream/cry.
- The Intervention scene!
- And Alison as the party girl.
- Alison on her wedding day, remembering that her daddy raped her as a child. Doesn't get more twisted than this!
- "You did things to me when I was a kid...."
I actually do think her performance in that scene is a genuine improvement from Keith's attempted rape. It really seems authentic.
- R149 - Melrose at its twisted best. Tracy Nelson was really good as Alison's sister too.
- Pool party from season 1
- Meredith was great - I remember when she tried to seduce Billy with a kind of infantile persona. "I'm naked under this towel - want to join me?"
Alison's whole family gave off that real East Coast repressed Yankee vibe. They even looked like the Kennedy clan - I wonder if that was an unconscious creative stroke? It was brilliant casting. Makes you realize that Melrose Place really served as a microcosm of Americana. Perhaps it resonated for those reasons. And perhaps Kimberly blowing up the building was a statement on how it is a facade?
- R153 - But Alison's family was Midwestern, not east coast.
- Well, there was definitely something of the 'north' about the Parkers...
- Allison was always at her most entertaining when drunk...she had an angry edge to her. I liked the delighted look on Syd's face as she watched Allison and that hot but douchy guy cavort in the pool.
Another great douchebag was Reed, the guy Jo blew away.
- Alison drunk was wonderful. It was almost as good as Sue Ellen on Dallas drunk.
- "Only you Alison would try and ruin someone's life then expect them to shower you with rose petals."
- More of Kristian Alfonso as Sydney's evil madam:
- Of all the season finales, Season 2 was my fave. Hilarious when that car screeches into view:
- R158 - Great scene. Don't like the helmet hair Alison has.
- Whenever I encounter a group of people walking in a horizontal line down the sidewalk, I blame the opening credits of Melrose Place.
- [quote]Another favorite plot line from season 4 was when Syd, feeling jealous and insecure, put a sleeping pill in Jane's drink to get drunk, horny Jane away from Michael. Jane had a stroke and ended up in a wheelchair and Sydney had to take care of Jane at the beachhouse.
YES! Does anyone else remember the scene where Michael pretended to care about paralyzed Jane and offered to take care of her at the beach house?
He moved her into bed and started humping on her.
Can't remember the exact line, but it was something like: "Come on, Jane! You don't need to let PARALYSIS get in the way of a healthy sex life!"
- I thought the arc where Michael had amnesia (and got nice) and had Jane taking care of him was better. Then Michael regained his memories, but pretended that he still had amnesia.
- Here's a great faceoff between the show's two worst actors: David Charvet and Andrew Shue.
Charvet reacts to Sydney's death like a first-year acting student. Shue can't even manage that much.
"May you all rot in hell!"
- How about Sydney's billing when she was a stripper: "Wild and Wacky Jungle Jane"!
- Jane was so evil to her little sister.
- Funniest exchange between Kimberly & Matt in Season 3:
"Kimberly, we have the results of your psychiatric evaluation. Let's see - you have no mechanism for dealing with stress, a high degree of suppressed hostilities, sociopathic tendencies and disassociative personality disorder. In short, you're a walking time bomb."
"You listen to me you CIPHER - your protector Dr Burns is long gone which means I can make your life a living HELL."
"Your threats don't work with me, Kimberly."
"Oh, I am much more than threats, little one.... *you* should know that by now."
- NO! This was the best exchange EVER between Matt and Kimberly.
- Thanks R167. As much as I did not like Jane, Jane-Syd interactions were fun.
- Every Christmas, I think about all the Sydneys out there in the world. Laura Leighton deserved an Emmy win for this.
- R171 you're right. Both Leighton ,Cross, Locklear and Calabro always gave really strong performances, that rose above campy, soap opera acting. If Melrose had beem a daytime soap I think a lot of the original cast would have earned acting Emmy nominations, and Marcia Cross would have probably swept supporting actress, she was so good, no matter how ridiculous the material was that they gave her to play. The cast members who joined from season 4 onwards were are pretty bad actors though.
- Leighton and Cross were spellbinding. Magnificent. Leighton called to mind a flapper girl such as Clara Bow and Cross was like a Bette Davis type. Amazing star quality, both of them. Terrific. Melrose in a way was like a great pre-code Hollywood movie - one after the other.
- Eve and Lexi fight
- Jennifer's interview with Amanda
- That was such a brutal scene r174 & the actresses looked a little too into it. Melrose could get so primitive, no wonder it attracted such a diverse audience.
- There's a really funny scene in Season 5 where D&D collapses and Amanda has a panic attack outside of Lindy Toys.
- Samantha was quite a down to earth character which on Melrose was like oasis in a desert. The actress reminded me a bit of Ava Gardner.
- Sydney daydreams about killing Jane
- Another Jennifer/Sam scene
- Another Billy finds Alison drunk scene.
- Melrose liked to torture Alison with drink and Jo with fists.
- Early Alison/Billy scene
"No, I am not referring to condoms."
- You know who was really boring but I liked the actress a lot? Megan
- I'm with you, R184. I loved Megan. Sadly, she came on just as Kimberly was leaving and had to trudge through the last two seasons surrounded by incompetent actors and truly thoughtless writers. But the actress who played Megan was really likable. I watched every week until the show's long-delayed end, suffering through every hour, hoping the show would finally get better again (via either Kimberly or Syd coming back from the dead--in Kimberly's case, again) but it never did. But Megan made the whole ordeal a wee bit interesting. (As did Rena Sofer's character in the final season, but it wasn't as if there was competition for attention at that point.)
- I liked Alyssa Milano's Jennifer of the later characters.
- R186 I think she sucked, they brought her on as a Sydney substitute when they wouldnt pay Leightin the money she wanted to come back. The whole sixth season is just bad and killed the show and whatever spark was left. Good soap opera writing has stories with a beginning, middle and end. There are also "beats" which should be hit. In season 6 they set up a lot of these stories but somewhere along the middle the writers seem to get bored and they just dropped major stories or quickly wrapped then up without reaching a satisfying conclusion or reaching what's called an "end beat". The Mancini glove storyline comes to mind as does Lexis introduction SL when she's addicted to painkillers and is involved in a hit and run that Peter helps her out of. That SL just seemed to go off and die somewhere without a satisfying conclusion. I don't even think it was properly wrapped up just bad soap writing.
- I agree that Kelly Rutherford was likeable as Megan but the character was a complete doormat, sort of like the female version of Matt Fielding. As much as I like Alyssa Milano, the character of Jennifer was absolutely pointless and boring and I was glad when the writers shipped her and an increasingly useless Billy to Italy. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, Lexi was by far the most interesting character that was introduced during the last couple of seasons. Eve was the only other latecomer character that they did anything interesting with.
- Lexi was a bit too butch for my liking. I prefer the character Peyton that Lunar played on Aaron Spelling's other primetime soap, Savannah. Remember that? It was set in the south (obviously). Most people think Spelling should have crossed Peyton over to Melrose, instead of play a new character.
LOVED that southern accent! Anyhow, Peyton was a bit more feminine but still tough.
- r189, I loved Peyton too. She's the only reason I liked Savannah. I also like the Rena Sofer character. I didn't like Meghan but I did like the actress.
- I liked Peyton too!
- One positive thing about the new Melrose Place, which did not know how to write the veteran characters at all especially Amanda, was Michael Rady. Holy crap he was hot.
- The new MP was an abomination.
- Jerry Seinfeld must've really loved this show. The characters on Seinfeld frequently referenced Melrose Place. There was even an entire episode around the show. Plus, he had serval actresses on from the show, like Kristin Davis and Marcia Cross.
- When was Kristin on Seinfeld?
The other Seinfeld connection is that Courtney Thorne Smith was on Day by Day with Julia LD.
- I'm nearly 50 and I never followed a nighttime soap, not Dallas, Dynasty, Knots Landing, 90210, Desperate Housewives or Melrose Place. But now for the first time I am watching one, Revenge, and I love it!
- Sigh, someone way up thread mentioned Pacific Pallisades. I loved the shit out of that show. It was so over the top and completely ridiculous. The one chick lived with her "sister" who it turned out was actually her daughter, which was exposed after her "sister" tried to seduce her husband. Another chick stole a baby. Meanwhile Lucky Vanous (the Diet Pepsi guy) and Joan Collins were milling about.
- R95, I think she was in the episode where he dropped her toothbrush in the toilet and then wouldn't kiss her afterwards.
- ITA, r192! He was the main reason I stuck with that crapfest until the end. He's currently co-starring with Meryl Streep's daughter in that "Emily Owens" doctor series but even he's not enough to get me to watch.
- Michael Rady had some really hot naked gay sex scenes in Sleeper Cell.
- Yes, Kristin Davis played the girlfriend who after Jerry dropped her toothbrush in the toilet, locked Jerry out of his apartment and put something of his in the toilet and wouldn't tell him what. So of course he freaks out. Turns out it was the toilet brush.
- One of the things about the original Melrose was how huge the show was with teenagers, by the time I got to highschool everyone in my class watched the show and talked about it.
- Thanks R201. I don't think I saw that Seinfeld, but it's funny.
- Fuck, I just watched that Michael Rady sex scene in "Sleeper Cell" and it was HOT. He was also hot in "Swingtown".
- [quote]by the time I got to highschool everyone in my class watched the show and talked about it.
Everyone in college watched it, too. To this day I remember the episode when Kimberly "returned from the dead." My apartment at the time, during my junior year in college, was in a small complex and faced an interior courtyard, as did all the others, and since it was a nice night everyone had their screen doors open. When the camera panned to Marcia we could hear screams and "Holy shit!!!"s from EVERY apartment, both boys and girls (I was watching with my three straight male roomies).
- Amanda fires Chas and then bulldozers Alison.
- Brooke dead in the pool
- Netflix has every single episode of both original and new Melrose Place available streaming.
- Okay, so this thread has caused me to revisit the show. I'm on season 1 and one thing I find interesting is that Amanda wasn't originally a bitch. I'm on her 3rd episode and the legendary Amanda Woodward bitchiness has taken a backseat to a much sweeter and smilier Amanda.
- R209 - She starts out fairly reasonable, but becomes the Amanda we know once she goes after Billy. That's still in the first episode. If I'm not mistaken, Amanda buys the condo in the finale of season 1.
- Amanda/ Brooke fight.
- It's funny how non-soapy the first season is, considering everything that happens later. It's more like TV show version of all of those indie relationship comedies that were so abundant in the early 90s. Especially the Billy/Allison relationship.
- Billy's dad just died. Holy shit his mom is like 80 years old!!! Andrew Shue really is a terrible actor.
- R212 - it was spinoff of 90210, which wasn't soapy till much later.
- This is the best fucking show ever!!!!! ...if we are talking about mindless trash tv. Love it forever, bitches!!!!!!
- Sad MP 2.0 didn't work out. Maybe Heather's bad plastic surgeries were a con.
- I am really starting to think that the original MP had the most attractive ensemble cast in the history of the medium.
- Laura Leighton was included in People's Most Beautiful People back in 1995 (I know several of the cast were included over the show's run), and it's interesting because the article mentions that she and Grant Show were an item. I had no idea they dated. She obviously moved on to Doug Savant.
- Laura's hair color in Season 3 was her best look - it was spectacular kind of golden orange. Marcia had more flaxen hair but together, they did the redhead community proud.
- Yes, Laura is gorgeous. I thought she looked better with shorter (above the shoulders) hair,
- I like the longer, darker hair she currently has.
- Laura is so remarkable. She was like a flapper girl, a Clara Bow for the 1990s. She had the indescribable IT FACTOR. I think she is one of the greatest stars of the 90s - for me - overflowing with character. Sydney Andrews is certainly an iconic character but I simply can't get over how Laura and Marcia Cross were not proclaimed the greatest superstars of their time. I'm serious about this. They are as good if not better than any Bette Davis or Vivien Leigh.
I will never forget you Sydney.
- R222 - Yes, Laura was a flapper girl. That's one of the reasons why I thought she looked better with shorter hair.
- After the Melrose explosion, Sydney suddenly thought she was Ann-Marget. Did you notice?
- Someone hated Leighton because at her most beautiful (season4/5), they started dressing Sydney like a member of the fucking Partridge Family. Her wardrobe was hideous in her last seasons.
- The Sydney storyline with Traci Lords luring her into a cult was hilarious!
- Here's a clip of Jake dating the insipid Kelly from 90210. Frankly, she looks sickly here, as well as effing annoying. I think Dr Kimberly should have put some color back in her cheeks!
- Thank you for that one R226. Great storyline. Poor Jane.
- Did the original cast get along? I don't recall the behind the scenes drama that 90210 constantly had, but surely some of them hated each other?
- Still pissed they screwed up the new MP. The problem was ALL in the writing. The new cast was hot and, Ashlee Simpson being the HUGE exception, could act.
The storylines were boring, the characters were stupid, the returning characters did not act like their original selves. Really wasted opportunities.
- Vanessa Williams has absolutely NO interaction with the other characters outside of Matt in the second half of the first season. Strange.
- I thought Jane was a bit of a bitch actually r228. Always the moral judgment on her sis.
- Jane WAS a bitch to Sid but come on - she earned it.
- R232 - Yes, the poor Jane comment was more of a criticism of Jane. She's constantly making herself into the doormat while being judgmental of Syd.
- Billy just showed up in a Matt and Rhonda scene! He only spoke to Matt.
- Question for the MP experts: Did Kimberly ever live at the apartment complex?
- Yes r236 - only after she blew it up though. Amanda threw a Survivors Party and Kimberly turned up as part of her rehabilitation to apologize to them all.
Season 4 is the most surrealist season of any tv show in history.
- I LOVE Alison's reaction shots whenever Amanda's talking. She doesn't just roll her eyes, she rolls her whole head.
- I wonder when they decided to write Rhonda out of the show. Her character started off good, but went downhill with the engagement.
- I don't recall there being much backstage drama either. Supposedly it was a pretty happy set. Even Leighton breaking up with Grant Show and then taking up with Dough Savant supposedly didn't really ruffle any feathers. The cast was all reunited recently (minus Thomas Calabro) and they all looked pretty happy to be back together:
- Nice Lexi scene
- Thanks, R237!
So Allison just caught Michael kissing Kimberly in the hospital parking lot. Does Michael stop or look scared? Hell no! He just keeps kissing Kimberly and gives Allison this "You're next" look LMAO
- Jake's brother Jess beating Jo after she rejects his marriage proposal is one of the most harrowing scenes I ever sat through! This scene was right after Kimberly was in the basement setting up the bombs to kill everyone (which was incredibly hilarious) and I thought this scene would be hilarious and absurd in turn, but it was.... well, just watch....
- "Stuff a sock in it" Syd tells Kimberly.
- Jane punches out Jo. BTW, I liked Jane's hair longer like his.
- Fun story Marcia told - during her third or fourth season as Kimberly, she did some volunteering at a Los Angeles hospital - when one patient saw who they thought was the infamous 'Dr Shaw' enter the room, they became extremely alarmed and nervous!
- The montage of Melrose moments in the last episode:
- I'm thinking there's some beef between Marcia Cross and Thomas Calabro. It's the only reason I can think of why he wasn't part of the reunion. He had no problem doing the 2009 Melrose. And I could see how they would have preferred to ave Marcia over Thomas.
- 2nd scene in this clip was the best one Coop ever did, thanks to Jamie Luner.
- Thanks R249 Jamie looked spectacular.
- "Come ON, Coop! You want to take control of things, TAKE CONTROL OF THINGS! You want to be a man -- or did you FORGET HOW?"
- This show was hunk galore!!!!!!!
- Now I'm watching Melrose Place. I never watched it in it's original run. I was 11 when it started, I was more of a 90210 fan. I'm at the beginning of season two now and love it. So far Amanda is sweet I like her.
- 'Coop' is now playing Stile's dad on MTV's Teen Wolf, isn't he?
- Stephen Fanning was the original Billy in this Season 1 cast photo.
- Yes, according to the reunion, that actor didn't even know he'd been replaced until he showed up the first day and found Andrew Shue in his dressing room. Ouch.
- How bad do you have to be to get replaced by Andrew Shue? Shue's neither a good actor or imho had much chemistry with the rest of the cast.
- I actually think Andrew Shue was one of the standouts in the early episodes. He was never a great actor, but in those early episodes he had a lively puppy dog/earnest, yet studly presence. He and Courtney Thorne Smith had good chemistry (they briefly dated in the first season). But once the show got more soapy and melodramatic, Shue was way out of his depth.
- I remember in the first or second episode Billy rehearsed for a job as dance instructor or something like that. Totally ridic.
- Andrew and Courtney did have good chemistry together, but he is a mediocre (at best) actor. Why did they replace Fanning?
- Grant Show said the reason he was replaced was because of a lack of chemistry with Courtney.
- That's a good reason. Thanks R261
- I'm sure being the brother of film actress Elisabeth Shue didn't hurt the chances of Andrew getting the role, either. I think she was the one who convinced him to take the role.
- A Sandy scene. She ditches her own surprise party.
- Allison and Billy scene from the first season. She feels guilty about Keith leaving his wife for her.
- Fanning was also replaced by Shue apparently because he had put on a lot of weight after the pilot was shot.
I agree that Shue was really great in those first two seasons. Terrible actor but he was likeable and it suited his sweet, naive, 'aspiring writer' character. Once Billy went to D&D and went all corporate, Shue just couldn't pull it off. His attempts to act tough and cutthroat was just hilarious and embarrassing.
Season 4 was fun but it really did jump the shark after Darren Star left. All the new characters were just watered down versions of his creations - Samantha (Jo/Alison), Taylor (Brooke), Kyle (Jake), Megan (Jane), Craig (Richard Hart/various guest stars), Jennifer (Sydney), Coop (Peter), Ryan McBride (Billy), Eve (Kimberly). Lexi was the only real highlight thanks to Jamie Lunar, Taylor was fun too.
- Billy tells Allison that he thinks Keith is the stalker, then Keith shows up.
- "Once Billy went to D&D and went all corporate, Shue just couldn't pull it off. His attempts to act tough and cutthroat was just hilarious and embarrassing." - Good point, R266.
I also didn't see him having much chemistry with Heather.
- I remember marveling about how Jamie Luner went from a slightly chubby, high-pitch-voiced, bubbly girl in "Just The Ten of Us" to a thin, smoky-voiced sexpot in MP, Savannah, etc. She really did a 180.
- I genuinely love the queen in this thread who keeps breathlessly comparing the cast members to old Hollywood 1940s/50s starlets. So much fun.
I agree that Melrose was the closest thing we got to a TV version of Joan Crawford's bizarro melodramas from that era. It was something special.
- Jamie was in an episode of Married with Children in 1992 (see clip) & had lost the weight by then, years before Savannah and then MP.
- Why Andrew Shue was cast as Billy ....
http://www.thepictureswarehouse.com/v/Celebrity Photos/Male Celebrities/Andrew Shue/Andrew Shue picture 5744.jpg.html
- Yeah, I knew she was in MWC too, R271.
- Jamie in 1993 doing a striptease in Moment of Truth.
- After watching the links to youtube, it's suprising that Kristin Davis wasn't such a bad actress after all. I had only seen her on SATC and she was the weakest actress (that's saying alot). Except for the episode in which Charlotte miscarried, she was the most vacant one of the four.
- Kristin was good in R275. Brooke, her character, was vapid, but KD played her well.
- Remember when Kimberly steals Jo's baby and BREASTFEEDS IT!!!
- [quote]Remember when Kimberly steals Jo's baby and BREASTFEEDS IT!!!
They TOTALLY got that from "The Hand That Rocks the Cradle".
- Melrose stole from the best, R278.
- Melrose Place, as directed by Douglas Sirk
Amanda - Joan Crawford
Alison - Jane Wyman
Billy - Rock Hudson
Michael - Robert Mitchum
Jane - Lana Turner
Matt - Montgomery Clift
Jake - James Dean
Jo - Elizabeth Taylor
Sydney - Dorothy Malone
Kimberly - Susan Hayward
- Season 2 now and shit is getting good! Amanda is in full bitch mode. Jane's hair is gorgeous and she's banging Kyle before he was Kyle. Sydney's doing Michaels dry cleaning LOL
- Laura Leighton would have been perfect if they'd done a biopic about B-movie queen Claudia Jennings in the 90s.
- Start at 1:55 : Jane pours marinara sauce over Michael's head then casually shatters the jar on the ground.
Melrose bitches don't care, they do what they want!
- "Sydney's doing Michaels dry cleaning" - Yes, R281. Loved that.
- Here are the opening credits to "Savannah" - this show was a little more of an old fashioned sudser compared to Melrose but Jamie Luner was clearly the big draw, even if you watch the lush opening credits. What a shame she didn't reprise her character Peyton on Melrose, would have been hilarious to have a scheming southerner in the mix:
- R282, wasn't Claudia Jennings the Playmate who played the woman who turned Greg into "Johnny Bravo" on The Brady Bunch?
- [quote]would have been hilarious to have a scheming southerner in the mix:
They tried that in season 1 with Amy Locane's Sandy.
- Sydney really just runs around begging people to take advantage of her, doesn't she?
I love how she asks Michael to co-sign her lease because Amanda won't let her rent an apartment without a co-signer.
- Early on in season 2:
Amanda just said, in all seriousness: "I've been in advertising for five years, I think I know what I'm talking about."
Gina Gershon works at Shooters and turns Sydney into a prostitute!
Sydney, arms flailing while she runs out of Stefan Cassadine's house with him screaming behind her " lift your skirt and come back here you BITCH," is certainly an underrated classic moment.
- And Jane has really turned into a self-righteous bitch. But gorgeous.
- I'm on season 2 now too. Surprising how Amanda just magically gave up on Billy and is being totally fucking obvious in stealing Jake away, and how stupid he is. Sydney's back woo!
- Jack is the only sane one there.
- "Sydney really just runs around begging people to take advantage of her, doesn't she?"
R288 - You're right. Syd and Jane are similar in that way. Syd, however, is more interesting.
- JAKE is the only sane one there.
- Jake was supposed to be the noble savage and moral center of the show.
- Wow, r286! Good memory. I'd forgotten she did The Brady Bunch but now that you mention it, in Maureen McCormick's bio she talks about making a movie with Claudia Jennings in the late 70s and Maureen had also forgotten CJ had done that Johnny Bravo episode.
- I love how it was Cristal Connors who introduced Sydney to being a whore darlin.
- What cable designation is that on? Like lifetime or Disney, something like that.
- [quote]Gina Gershon works at Shooters and turns Sydney into a prostitute!
What else would you expect? She's a whore, darlin'.
- OK, which character was Hunter Tylo supposed to have played before she was fired for getting preggers?
- R300 it was Taylor! Anybody else think that Melrose is way better thaN Dynasty? Being so you I finally got to see some of Dynasty on the soap network about 10 years ago and it was really boring. I don't get the gay hype about it, Melrose had way BETTER bitches, Dynasty just had Alexis.
- I meant to say being so young
- R280 more like Kimberly-Joan Crawford(in her campy, psycho, horror movie phase of her career).
- I'm NOT liking the later seasons.
Too many of the good characters gone.
How is it possible that Andrew Shue's acting got worse as the show went on?
- R301- Dynasty had Heather as well.
- Dynasty was the first campy primetime soap and, in a way, was the blueprint for something like Melrose Place. Melrose Place was arguably the first nighttime soap that tapped into the younger, urban demographic and it paid off big time, after the forgettable first season. At its prime (Seasons 2-5), it was a pop culture phenomenon. As somebody else upthread said, there hasn't been anything like it since. These CW shows are nothing but lame attempts to recreate the same winning formula.
- Ummmm ... Doe anyone else have Netflix??? If so, PLEASE watch the first scene of Season 2 Episode 17 - Michael's Game.
Please tell me that is NOT michael farting when he's making breakfast? He lifts the plates, then you hear two really loud fart noises, Michael makes a face then asks for help. Is this a joke? Those fart noises weren't in the original run and they sounded added in. Very weird.
- Sidney just hired Famke Janssen to fuck Jane's boyfriend.
- Someone mentioned Season 2 Episode 17 "Micahel's Game" - THere are fart noises in theat scene and it's not only on Netflix but on the DVD's as well. We replayed that part about 50 tiumes....a) Because it's funny as hell and b) because we just couldn't believe what we were hearing.
Here you'll see someone has posted it to youtube
- Good catch, R309
Great Heather moment.
- Melrose was the best show of the 90s. It will never date, unlike something saccharine like Friends.
- How can you not cry? Laura Leighton should have won an Emmy for this:
- Thanks R312 - laura was fun to watch.
- Well, Laura Leighton didn't get an Emmy, she did get a Golden Globe nomination!
- I never found Daphne Zuniga attractive. I'm really surprised she replaced Amy Locane.
- I thought that Daphne Zuniga was the most attractive female cast member during the time she was on. Amy Locane, on the other hand, looked like a lot lizard from an Alabama truck stop, cheap and trashy.
- Daphne was gorgeous, especially in that first season when she was slim.
- Courtney was stunning in a corn fed Midwestern way. She had a few pounds on her then, but that suited her face and figure.
Laura Leighton was absolutely gorgeous.
- The thought of Melrose being on The Disney Channel is cracking me up.
- Rena Sofer was the best looking female cast member to be featured on the show, even if it was for just one season.
- I barely remember Rena's season.
- Who was the hottest guy on the show?
- R80's link is hilarious.
"She's addicted to the thrill of seduction."
What straight man talks like that?
- R226's link is also hilarious.
"Why don't you just take the damn thing now?"
(Pulls out dress, sexily.)
- Melrose IS hilarious. Funnier than any sitcom of its time, more dramatic than any soap opera or primetime show. It was, in short, genius.
- [quote] Who was the hottest guy on the show?
John Haymes Newton (who, by the way, hasn't aged all that well.)
- The Melrose Place credits had the actors ALWAYS use the same smoldering-suspicious look: "I'm extremely horny but I've been hurt one too many times... oh, can I possibly TRUST YOU?"
Jamie Luner was a master at this, it was the alpha and omega of Lisa Rinna's entire repertoire, and poor Andrew Shue couldn't even do it convincingly in the two seconds he's in the credits.
- Shue was the worst actor of the whole main cast.
- Promo poster for Season 3 finale (you know the one!!!)
- Robert Guza Jr and Charles Pratt Jr. Who collectively destroyed General Hospital both wrote for Melrose
Pratt was a good writer for the show but not so good executive producer, when Starr left and Frank South and Pratt took over the show started going downhill
Pratt also wrote and directed some episodes of BH 90210
- Anyone remember that episode of Seinfeld where they were obsessed with this show. So relatable.
- I remember when Hunter Tylo was hired to play Taylor, but they fired her a couple of weeks later when they learned she was pregnant. She sued Spelling for pregnancy discrimination. During the trial (which was 2 year later), Tylo stood up in court and revealed she was currently 8 months pregnant and everyone in the courtroom GASPED (!) since she did not even look pregnant! (Spelling's attorneys had just argued that the average pregnant woman gains 47 pounds and Tylo wouldn't have been able to play a horny sexpot.)
I think Tylo starved herself during that pregnancy...and her daughter had lots of medical problems when she was born. But hey, she got $5 million out of it!
- A friend of mine worked as a PA on the set and told me that Vanessa Williams went absolutely ballistic when she was cut from the show. She had attempted to attack one of the producers calling him a racist and security was called in to hold her down. I'm surprised to hear she actually got work after this.
- Prior to GH both Guza and Pratt worked together on Melrose Place in the 90s
Guza wrote some eps during the first 2 seasons, while Pratt became one of the top writers producers and eventually directors of that nighttime soap.
Pratt also co created the hilariously campy spin off soap Models Inc, starring Linda Gray and Emma Samms!
Pratt was behind a season 4 Melrose storyline, where it was revealed that Amand was married to a mobster in Florida and that she faked her death to get away from him
Soon the Parezi mob family lead by ex hubby Jack (Antonio Sabato jr) began showing up at Melrose
Jack tried to kill Amanda, Amanda fought back and knockd her ex hubby over a staircase killing him. Sydney blackmailed, but Peter (Jack Wagner) got her off a murder wrap
The father sent younger son Bobby Parezi to kill Amanda to avenge his son's Jack's death, but Bobby falls in love with Amanda instead of killing her, much to Peter's dissapointment.
The whole Melrose mob storyline, was so Guza/Pratt GH it was ridiculous
- Why did they fire Vanessa?
- I liked the Heidi Fleiss copy storyline. Sydney and Kimberly were the peak. Jo was the worst. The early episodes when there was no conflict sucked ass.
- Vanessa Williams' character was so far removed from the rest of the show. Near the end of her time on the show, she literally only ever had scenes with Matt out of te rest of the main cast.
- R334, Amanda and the younger Parezi had been involved before she married his brother. I actually thought that storyline worked alright--not one of the show's best but decent.
- lol @ Matt. Forget Vanessa, he was the ultimate token PC character. Did he ever have any impact on the show?
On the other hand, MP were sort of pioneering here.. the early 90s was when gay visibility on TV and otherwise started to pick up.
But there was a stupid thing where they cut a gay kiss. I bet all those gay kiss censorship stories were publicty stunts and rating ploys.
- Jane and Syd (in a wedding dress) fight.
- Amanda fires Alison.
- Just how many times was Michael married? Four?
- It became really great for about a season and a half once they brought Sydney on. The Las Vegas episode and the episode where Sydney becomes a stripper for the men of Melrose Place were both great. And of course the stuff with crazy Kimberly after her return from the dead.
The problems with the show were that some of the characters were so boring and never became interesting (Jane, Jo, and the gay character who was so dull I can't even remember his name). Also, Heather Locklear did not spice up the show as much as people said at the time or liked to pretend: she was a pretty woman and supposedly one of the nicest women working in television, but she was a terrible actress.
The SNL "Wayne's World in Melrose Place" sketch was one of the best parodies SNL has ever done. The whole idea of Chris Farley as Jake and David Spade in drag as Jane ("Boo hoo hoo! I have the worst part on the show!") makes me laugh just thinking about it.
- Jane was boring. Matt (the gay guy) was boring. Jo was not boring.
I disagree with you about Heather Locklear. She made the show, and there are few who play "the bitch" better than she does.
- Jo was the worst. I hated that dumb cunt!
- I liked Jo. She added something to the show.
- Jo? We're Blair, Tootie, and Natalie hanging out in the apartment complex too? That will get them EXPELLED from Eastland!
- The show gets good when Sydney joins....
- Mrs. G hit the bottle and is hanging out in the wrong thread.
- Courtney Thorne Smith's acting drunk was comedic.
I only got into that show because my college dorm mates watched it every Monday night and subjected me to it. I hated it but then couldn't stop watching it in spite of how bad it was.
- R350 - Drunk Alison was the best. CTS probably hit the bottle herself after acting with Andrew Shue.
- Remember when I shocked the nation by removing my wig and revealing my brain surgery scar?
- Yep, R352. That was a moment.
- [quote](Billy was supposed to get married to Courtney, but at the last minute she remembered being molested by her own dad and bolted).
lol! That was one of the classic implausible moments.
- Billy and Alison were so boring compared to the others, but they were the last of the show's original nice guy heart, even in the later years. I watched the show with my babysitter as a kid and I remember we high-fived in the episode when Billy finally left Brooke, walked by Alison's place and told her "it should have been you." My mom was all verklempt for their Season 5 goodbye, too.
It was a huge blunder when they didn't just reunite them and write the comatose Andrew Shue out with Courtney (who always had a great sense of humor about MP - she's a gifted comedienne on other shows, like Ally McBeal and that terrible Jim Belushi sitcom at the end of the fifth year. I don't know why they stuck Alison with Jake in what has to be the most boring, endless pairing anyone ever heard of. There were good things about Season 5 - some more grounded story here and there - but a lot of big mistakes. Samantha didn't work in the new Melrose, and Kimberly and Syd were both given short shrift in terrible ways.
I remember they hinted at Billy and Alison reuniting at the end of Season 6 when they finally did dump the dead weight, but it turned out to be a ploy of Sam's to get back at him. But they did establish that Alison was back to boozing it up in Atlanta, and never resolved the hanging plot thread. I kept hoping Billy would leave Jennifer Mancini and go back to her.
The final years only got good when they let Jamie Luner off the leash as Crazy Lexi late in Season 6. She was a hurricane that never stopped - just great. Often better than her stories. Josie Bissett was a lot better when she returned as Jane than she had been in years, and I was shocked that I liked the reunion with Michael, though it didn't last.
The new MP had some great people - Katie Cassidy as the young nuAmanda, the Asian doctor-prostitute was a great new "Alison" type, even Ashlee Simpson as Syd's psycho daughter. Calabro and Heather did good work. But killing Syd off was a horrible mistake, and the weird "art theft" plotline they tried to thread through the MP vets' subplot was lame. It should've gone on though. Its first year was way better than nu90210.
- They ran through a ton of episodes a year (thirty plus). Andrew Shue was a bad actor, but Billy and Alison seemed to fit together. I loved Kristin Davis as Brooke, who got between Billy and Alison. But as I said earlier, drunk Alison was the best.
- Oh yeah. CTS...what an actor! She's the Meryl Streep of Melrose!
- CTS is a good to very good comedic actress. She's come off looking good even with poor material or really bad co-stars (Jim Belushi, Andrew Shue).
- I remember when I was a very gay teenager with very questionable taste, I thought CTS should play Melanie if they ever remade GONE WITH THE WIND.
- CTS reminds me of Goldie Hawn.
- No one from this show has aged better than Laura Leighton. She's stunningly gorgeous on Pretty Little Liars.
- Billy and Allison centric vid from 1993 featuring promos and Andrew and Courtney introducing the episode.
- Jennifer meets Amanda. One of the best scenes.
- Yeah. Jennifer was interesting for like one episode. Seriously one of the more boring character on Melrose.
- Jennifer had her moments. The character was Alyssa's launching pad. She previously was struggling to break into more adult-oriented roles.
- Have to agree that it was all about Sydney. She was perfect, a villain but a three dimensional one with vulnerability and all too human.
I don't remember her Emmy worthy scene posted above, I knew there was a reason she was so memorable.
Killing her off killed the show and what an insult killing her twice in that remake shitfest. I didn't know she was in an episode of the original 90210 as a Sydney-alike character. Didn't know about her real life marriage to Matt, but I think at the time of the show she dated Grant Show.
Melrose was the Dynasty of the 90s but I imagine holds up better than that. It was very camp but didn't go so deep into "you viper!" camp for the most part. It had a bit more 90s realism and groundedness compared to that.
- Laura Leighton was in BH 90210 after she left Melrose.
Here's a pic of her in 2009.
- The DVDs are worth getting.
- I agree that killing Sydney was a huge mistake, just as killing off Marcia Cross' Kimberly was wrong. Both characters were fan favourites and a hell of a lot of fun.
- They should have killed Jane off.
Andrew Shue was a marble mouth.
Hey I didn't bump this thread.
- Starring the world's most beautiful women, AND Linda Gray.
- Of the "new" ones, Jamie Luner was my favorite.
Linden Ashby was pretty hot and still is (thanks Teen Wolf).
- R376 - I agree.
- Dear God, I wanted Jack Wagner sooo badly. Those suits and suspenders. Just watching some of those clips gave me a woody.
- BREAKING NEWS:
Melrose Place is streaming on Netflix.
Now I must read this thread.
- Great news
- I marathoned the show on Netflix awhile back but I only got up to the end of season 4, where Kimberly gets Peter committed to an insane asylum and gives him shock treatment. Even for this campy show, it was a bit much. Should I go back & finish the later seasons or does it just get increasingly more ridiculous?
- [quote]Season 1 was way too earnest, almost like fucking Gilmore Girls. Season 2 was really the beginning of the show as an over-the-top prime time soap that we know and love.
I only liked season 1. Having a gay character was awesome and overall show was fun to watch. Brainless entertainment with pretty people. Then they decided to turn the show into a melodramatic soap with practically everyone turning into devious assholes and I just lost completely interest in it. It was disappointing to see the show turn into a pile of shit.
- R378 I wanted Grant Show.
- MP was my favorite show in the 90's. The reboot wasn't a complete shitfest but it was unfocused and took itself too seriously. Having said that all the guys were insanely hot. I still JO to them.
- The only thing good about the first episodes was they did several exteriors on Melrose Ave to really capture the scene.
Fast forward to Amanda's arrival and love triangle with Billy and Alison, Jo and Jake, Michael becoming a dick.
The second half of season 2 and first half of season 3 was Melrose at its best - Kimberly back from the dead and flipping wigs, Sydney hitting rockbottom, Alison's descent into alcoholism.
After Kimberly blew up the building there was nowhere to go. Everyone had already slept with everybody and any new character was a sociopath or a bore.
- I thought things cooled down after season 1.
- Rhonda was the worst. It's hilarious that once the show shifted gears, she was completely alienated from the rest of the cast and basically was in her own show with Terrence. Vanessa A Wiliams must have seen the writing on the wall.
- At least they didn't make her Southern accent come and go.
- Whoever thought of the Alison becoming an alcoholic storyline hit gold. Being a lush fits the character and CTS plays it so well.
- [quote]I marathoned the show on Netflix awhile back but I only got up to the end of season 4, where Kimberly gets Peter committed to an insane asylum and gives him shock treatment. Even for this campy show, it was a bit much. Should I go back & finish the later seasons or does it just get increasingly more ridiculous?
Season 4 is where it went off the rails. That's probably a good place to stop, though you will miss Lexi and Eve. They made the later seasons bearable.
- Someone from Melrose Place - long after it ended- made their way via ambulance to UCLA after taking a few too many pills. Glad to see this person happier and healthier now.
- Agreed R389, there were so many good moments - Alison tells Susan off at Shooters after she and Billy went out, the food fight at the D&D party, dumping Susan's pots on Billy's door, skinny dipping in the pool.
This one was the best...
- Alison tipsy at lunch.
- Courtney Thorne-Smith's huge tits gave many hard-ons in high school. Josie Bissett was hot too, and looked her best when she went to work for Mackenzie Hart. She looked good on 2009 shitshow too.
- Alison's schoolteacher hairdo is really distracting in season 2.
- Sydney and Lexi were better villains than Amanda ever was.
- Oh yeah, R396?
- For whatever reason, I just saw Amanda as a really bitchy heroine.
I still consider Jane and Alison villains. Two highly manipulative women. At least Kim could blame the head injury.
- I can't tell you how often a tenth grade me beat off to images of Andrew Schue
- Jane was just passive aggressive and whiney.
Short hair never worked well for CTS.
- Ever notice that every time there was a restaurant scene, the tables always had mini lamps on them?
- I always hated the way Jane said "Deee-signs"
- I always hated Jane. Looked like and sounded just like my older sister.
- Jane was totally hateable. I loved watching Sydney trash her life.
- Jane was so self-righteous. That character was only made bearable as a target of Sydney's.
- I'm rewatching on Netflix. The show didn't get good, IMO, until Sydney and Kimberly showed up. I guess I was supposed to feel sorry for Jane. She'd never have peace again with those psycho redheads in her life. Yet I usually cheered her enemies, lol.
The only time I ever sided with Jane was when Richard (Patrick Muldoon) raped her. I remember being so shocked. I was thrilled when she and Syd buried his ass.
- Billy was an asshole. Unwilling to understand what Alison went through with her dad, takes a job at her company where they have to sit next to each other all day, dates his and Alison's assistant in front of her, then dates and moves in with her ugly best friend. And he wonders why she hit the bottle?
- The early Amanda episodes were interesting. Heather was still trying to gauge the character.
- Kimberly and Michael and Amanda seemed ancient to me when I was watching this in high school (I was born in '79). It's a bit jarring to realize I am probably older now than all of those damn characters were on the show in the mid-90s.
- Re-watching some very early episodes. Alison is an idiot. Amanda stabs her in the back over and over, then looks sad and asks if they can be friends. Alison always accepts whatever Amanda says. Amanda immediately goes to work on messing with Billy/Alison's career/friendships, etc.
I used to think I rooted for Amanda. I realize now that I just really hated Alison.
- I loved the scene when they go on that D&D retreat and Amanda lays into Alison about how she waited until Amanda and Billy got together to go after him and how untrustworthy she thinks she is.
- Did Laura Leighton piss off Darren Star? Sydney went from being a conniving, devious vixen to constantly being victimized and outsmarted. That cult storyline was the worst.
- The cult storyline was pretty early in the series. Sydney flipped from vixen to victim often.
- I'm watching that episode when Kimberly goes to the No More Victims camp and has that hallucination in the sweat lodge with Amanda, Jo, Jane and Sydney taunting her. Good scene, but show has already begun it's decline at this point.
- The first episode I watched was the explosion of the building in the 1995 season finale (actually, the explosion didn't happen until fall; god, that annoyed me at the time). Even then, I suspected Melrose had hit its "Moldavian Wedding" moment and that I had showed up just in time for the decline.
- Alison in rehab
- I thought S5 was pretty good. S4 was fun but really really dumb, like a parody of itself. The end of S1 up until S3 are perfection. The rest sucks.
- Amanda v Brooke
- The first season is on now on what used to be TV Guide channel, now Pop.
I'd forgotten how breathtaking the young Andrew Shue was. He's heartbreakingly beautiful like a sunset or a mountain range.
He's the kind of guy who could make you cum simply with one sweet, long kiss.
- Andrew got far with his looks because he sure did not have talent.
- Andrew Shue was NOT breathtaking. Serviceable & attractive, granted. Grant Show was the stunner.
- I never understood why Kimberly blew up Alison's apartment. They had no scenes together whatsoever.
- With looks like this, who would care about his acting?
(Incidentally, another actor was originally cast but the part was recast with Shue and the pilot refilmed. How bad was the other actor that AS was the better alternative?)
- It's amazing what adding a great bitch can do for a show.
- r423, he had a weird looking body. Hunched shoulders.
- r424, isn't that the truth.
- I remember thinking Kristin DAvis was a horrible actress. She improved a bit, Lisa Rinna barely registered to me, except for her lips of course.'
Whatever happened to Laura Leighton, girl had some talent.
- R422 - "I never understood why Kimberly blew up Alison's apartment."
She was after the whole complex.
R427 - I thought Kristen was suited for the role of a spoiled rich kid.
- [quote]he had a weird looking body. Hunched shoulders.
The episode I saw today showed him nearly nude in bed with Amanda and he had beautiful, smooth, creamy skin. Lickable from head to toe.
- Here is a fun link from a reunion a couple of years back. They all look scary good! Something must have been in the pool water.
- R430 - Heather looks surprisingly good given her drug and alcohol problems. Courtney is almost too skinny, but is healthy looking otherwise.
- Laura Leighton was really the lifeforce of Melrose. A I recall in another Melrose thread on datalounge, she was compared to the flapper girls of the 1920s - a fun, appealing little minx with huge acting chops. Heather Locklear had the lines but she didn't have the heart. What was wonderful about Melrose, particularly with Leighton and Marcia Cross, was how they were a throwback to those Pre Code Hollywood actresses. Melrose Place as a saga was about the underbelly of Los Angeles life but it conveyed that glamor was not dead and could be found in the most unpleasant, tawdry atmosphere.
- R432 - "Heather Locklear had the lines but she didn't have the heart. "
I disagree. I think Heather threw herself into Amanda with gusto.
- Heather was great but I know what R432 means. She was cold, and effective, Leighton and Cross had passion. I know.. Mary!!
- I was just watching some of season three last night. Geez, the directing is so boring. It's like home video cameras on tripods. The cameras don't add anything to the action. The director's supposed to add to the scenes, not subtract.
- Laura Leighton plays one of the parents on Pretty Little Liars now. She's worked here and there since Melrose, but she took a lot of time off to raise kids too.
- Andrew Shue was cute, but Grant was the guy for me, I wanted to date Jake.
- R434 - The difference between a blond ice queen and fiery redheads.
What is Courtney's natural hair color?
- That guy they brought for the last season as Kyle's brother, something Hayms Newton was the best looking one.
- Huh, R435? ALL Network TV of that era was shot like that (especially soap operas). Making television more visually cinematic is only a very recent phenomenon. How old are you?
Also keep in mind that these Spelling shows were shooting 35 hour long episodes per season (which is virtually unheard of nowdays).
- R440 - How did they get away with doing 35 episodes a year?
- Nothing better than drunk Alison
- R415, the actual explosion of the building was supposed to happen as the season finale, but the terrorist bombing in Oklahoma City happened shortly before the finale.
That was actually a major tragedy and story at the time.
- Melrose Place was the Game of Thrones of the 90s. Both shows are so involving, so enlightening about human depravity and almost have a mythical quality to them.
- Amanda v Brooke. Despite Brooke's size advantage, Amanda is the odds on favorite.
- I like an earlier comment who called Melrose 'the first nihilistic sitcom'. Totally agree. No wonder Jerry Seinfeld loved it so much.
- Melrose Place also had a lot in common with German Expressionist melodrama of the 1920s. Kimberly revealing her hideous scar & her relationhip with Michael - pure Dr Caligari, Sydney Andrews was the personification of Wedekind's Lulu in Pandora's Box. The Melrose complex itself has the whiff of the underclass, characters such as Alison and Jake are always a heartbeat from ruin - pure Joyless Street (GW Pabst). The underbelly of Los Angeles that Melrose Place presents as its canvas is a true American counterpart to the Berlin of Weimar Germany. Melrose should not be ignored when people consider 90s drama. Believe it or not, The Sopranos did not reinvent the wheel.
- I love R448.
- Thanks r449, here's a Melrose music video using Madonna's Thief of Hearts, focusing on the dynamic between Kimberly & Sydney.
- Why did Michael marry Jane?
- R422, Kimberly explains why she placed one of the bombs near Alison's apartment, something like "Not that I have anything against recovering alcoholics but she just happens to live next door to Matt!"
Matt pulled off her wig. She hated him with a passion.
- I always liked the relationship between Matt Fielding and Michael Mancini.
- I like that youtube clip that edits Rhonda and Matt into the bombing cliffhanger episode. They use an episode from season 1 where Terrence is in the courtyard singing and she walks over to the window. It was pretty clever.
- R441, they shot two episodes at once. I remember seeing some BTS thing and how the shooting schedule was crazy. Typically it takes 8-10 days to shoot an hour long drama. If you think about, every three weeks, they fall behind one week. That's why shows go back into production in early July. Over the course of the season, it catches up and they're not so far in advance anymore.
- Having 33-35 episodes a season was Melrose's undoing. They ran out of good storyline ideas halfway through season 3. Could you imagine if a Ryan Murphy series had 35 episodes a season?
- MP had a great cast and solid stories. But I agree that they overdid it way too early. Having said that, they bounced back in the final season with that crazy bitch, Rena Soffer.
- Disagree, Season 3 was the peak. The only storyline that didn't work was 'Amanda has cancer'. Everything else was gold.
- Anymore BTS stuff?
- BYS: laura Leighton had tasted Grant Show's cock and Doug Savant's before marrying him.
- I don't remember but did Amanda and Kimberly ever go head to head?
- the whole point was to watch really hot actors making out and have sex, but not be threatening to the home viewer who thought these characters were entirely dumb.
- They all fucked each other and generally got along really well (even through all the cast changes). All the guys were pretty much straight except for Patrick Muldoon and Jack Wagner (bi).
Heather and Jack Wagner were fuck buddies and loved coke.
Marcia Cross and Kristin Davis were lesbians at the time (now i don't know what they identify as) and were hooking up.
Josie Bissett was 'straight' during the show but entered a long term relationship with a woman after her divorce with Rob Estes.
Brooke Langton is also a lesbian.
None of the writers liked Daphne Zuniga except for Darren Star (who she was good friends with). When he left the show in Season 4 and Aaron Spelling blacklisted him (which is what he did with any writers who got too much of a name), the writers gave Daphne terrible plots until she gave up and left. She apparently did a big speech in the writer's room about how they were all terrible writers and the show was a piece of shit now because of them.
Amy Locane was crazy and druggy and they couldn't wait to get rid of her. Also when Vanessa Williams was kicked off the show, she went absolutely nuts, attacked a producer for being 'racist' and was escorted off the set (this is all over the internet and I think Vanessa even mentioned it in an interview).
There's apparently bad blood between Thomas Calabro and Marcia (don't know the details), which is why he refused to go to the EW reunion.
- [quote]Andrew Shue was cute, but Grant was the guy for me, I wanted to date Jake
But the producers, again, didn't understand the audience. Luke Perry was intended to be the sex symbol of 90210. Oddly, Jason Priestly got more fan mail.
Same situation on Melrose Place: Grant Show was supposed to be the star but Andrew Shue got more fan mail. It's pretty obvious to me: Girls want cute but non-threatening.
Hell, I'm not a girl but I found "Billy"/Andrew more appealing.
- Good stuff, r463! Any idea why Thomas and Marcia don't get along? The show was so long ago I can't imagine why there would still be tension. He seems like an easy going guy so I imagine she's the one holding grudges but who knows.
- Marcia was famously outed here
- I was shocked that Marcia went to the Melrose reunion. You'd think after her big Desperate Housewives success, she'd shun her former stomping grounds but no, she was there and happy to be there. Obviously, she is proud of Kimberly (in my opinion, her best character - certainly over Bree.)
- R461 for a bit during the excellent and iconic 3rd season, when Kimberly blamed Amanda for breaking up her ddysfunctioal marriage to Michael
- Both Melrose and 90210 had about 32-35 ep's a season
The reason was that they were both serials and virtually impossible to repeat a random episode without confusing the audience as all the episodes and storylines led into the next
Also the ratings for both shows at their peak were ridiculously high in that prized women 18-34 demo
So Fox would charge a fortune for commercial airtime and profit really well
- R463 - Anything on Courtney and Andrew?
- I just started wwatching season 6 for the first time in years and it's not half bad!
I can't believe I said that out loud
And no I am not Lisa Rinna!
- 30-35 episodes? I always thought the typical show was around 22?
- i loved Thomas Calabro too. He was really hot.
- In a late 80s tv movie Thomas Calabro was a cop who went undercover to catch a muu-muu-wearing killer of male strippers. He almost got killed himself while performing, but justice was served in the end.
- R473 I already posted that because of the serialized nature of 90210 and Melrose and because both shows were making a shot load of money for Fox at their peak that the network was more than happy to shoot extra episodes
As a random rerun would confuse the he'll out of people
It's not like a random sitcom rerun, where you have an A or sometimes B story that are both wrapped up by episodes end
He'll you could even show mmost sitcom ep's out of order and it wouldn't ruin the narrative structure
A serial show is something else completely
- [quote]Laura Leighton plays one of the parents on Pretty Little Liars now. She's worked here and there since Melrose, but she took a lot of time off to raise kids too.
Ugh, WE know she has appeared the most out of all the actresses playing the mothers of the liars.
- And it looks like she might be about to go cougar on Drew Van Acker's fiiiine ass. Go Syd...um, Mrs. Marin.
- Drew is so fucking hot.
- so  who come out on top?
- R480 well Kimberly began stalking Amanda and made her think it was Michael
Kimberly also brought false physical abuse charges against Michael and had him arrested
Peter Burns cane back to town and bailed him out
Peter would hook up with Kimberly and Kimberly thought that Peter loved her, but instead Kim found a note that Peter was gonna give to Amanda telling her that he loved her
Despite the fact that Peter had plotted to kill Amanda just months before!
This betrayal and appearances by creepy "Henry" would cause Kimberly to loose it and try to kill the entire cast by blowing up the Melrose apartment building in the Season 3 finale!
- Marcia Cross should guest star on Pretty Little Liars as Jason's ex lover who goes head to head with Ashley Marin.
- Funny that Sydney and Kimberly became roomates in Season 4. That was Sydney's 'Ann Margret' season. The explosion had traumatized her so much she became a kooky 1960s persona.
- It's a shame they didn't get Kristian Alfonso back for Season 6 once Kim and Syd were gone. Loved Kristian's evil Madam role Lauren Etheridge and it annoys me they didn't set her on a collision course with Amanda.
- R484 - Great scene. KA is so good in it.
- Jane punches Jo. Here is Jane with longer hair.
- I'm currently watching season 4 and God damn is it awful. Kimberly's split personality, Sydney completely underused and that awful '60s shtick, Jo/Richard/Jane snoozefest, Alison feeling sorry for Brooke. It's sooooo boring. The only snarky line in the whole season is when Jane uses the garage for her DE-signs and Jo parked her bike in there and says "Sorry I parked my bike in your office." I'd rather watch the first half of season 1 than this shit.
- R487 that's funny, because I always thought that season 4 was ridiculous, over the top, campy fun
It's also so mean spirited, bitchy and hateful
In other words perfect for the Datalounge!
The body count that season was also ridiculous
Every recurring character meets a nasty and brutal fate!
- Brooke at her finest
- Amanda lecturing Allison
- Jennifer vs Sam
- I think "MP" gave way to how you refer to shows via acronym like "GH". I never saw that until after "MP".
- R491 Im in the process of watching season 6 right now and it's not as horrible as I remember
I'm really liking Michael and Taylor ' s antics and bizarre fuck buddy friendship
The last episode I saw had Kimberly ' s mom Marion in her room and receiving a call from Coop
Episode ending with Marion in the middle of her Kimberly shrine and vowing to get revenge on Michael
- I do not remember Marion.