Poor. I remember an op-ed by her arguing against gay adoption.
My pussy drips for her
Despite being an unfuckable lardass (Silvio Berlusconi) she remains a staunch defender of personal freedoms. She does desperately need fashion advice however!
Angela Merkel is the most powerful anti-gay leader currently in the Europe,
Angela Merkel just went on a campaign promoting her Evangelical Christians faith, talking about how God rules her life. She is also a Physicist, a physicist who just turned down her science education, in favor of the sky fairies worshipers.
If this doesn't tell you what Merkel is made up of or what!
No wonder she rejects gay equality. Germany has a long history of anti-gay politicians going right back to Paragraph 175. It still lingers on today.
She seems far better than our right-wing party though.
The EU leaders of England, France, Spain, Belgium, Netherlands, Sweden and Denmark all support full gay equality.
The fact the leader of Germany doesn't and adding Germanys past of rounding up Gays and murdering them in Concentrations camps like Sorbitor, Dachau and Birkenau, makes Markels continued rejection of Gay Germans, with full equal rights, a FAR MORE serious moral crime.
Imagine if Germany still refused to give German Jews full equal rights.
R8, I know I know. My eyes just welled up at the thought of being rounded of abused and murdered for who you are. I think if you were real cute you might be used by the officers until they were finished with you. Not sure that fate was any better.
Americas right wing party never got voted into power though R7. The British BNP is anti-gay too, but they don't have any power.
The current US President does support full Gay equality, the current German Chancellor does not. End of story.
There are several states in the USA who have Gay marriage.
There are no states in Germany which have Gay marriage.
R10 The BNP at best has about 3000 members. They are also on the decline as is the EDL. They will never have any effective power thank goodness.
""Despite being an unfuckable lardass (Silvio Berlusconi) she remains a staunch defender of personal freedoms."
Oh, geez. BERLUSCONI is the unfuckable lardass. The NERVE!
Frau Merkel has given us very strict serving instructions: Two Frankfurter sausages may never touch on her plate and they absolutely should not be placed anywhere near the Kartoffelpuffer cakes.
I'm sure the ex-Nazi Pope Ratzinger has a hand in keeping Gays second class citizens in Germany too.
Angela Merkel is an enemy to the gay community, much like Michelle Bachmann in the USA. Why the heck Germany elected such an anti-gay leader is another question.
I think Germany in general is probably one of the better countries to live in and not being harassed or even bothered when living an openly gay life. If you are gay you are better of living in Germany than in the US, for sure. The general opinion in the majority of the population is pretty much pro gay marriage all the way. Legal partnerships have been allowed since 2001, but not with the same rights and obligations like hereo couples. Merkel is a conservative politician but not a religious crazy one.
Better compared to Saudi Arabia....yeah. But Compared to the rest of Northern Europe and Spain, Germany is extremely anti-gay.
Merkel is a Scientist who just publicly declared Jesus was her constant companion. If that doesn't define crazy, I don't know what does.
What really hangs Germany is its past history of rounding up Gay Germans and murdering them en mass in concentration camps, because those feelings still exist today.
Germany should have been the world leader in Gay equality because of this, yet it is still spewing the Nazi inspired hatred towards Gays from the highest level.
I lived in Germany for more than 10 years and didn't see what you R20 are describing. Gays and Lesbians kiss and being affectionate with each other openly in open places in broad daylight - nobody cares. I worked very close to a public building where you could get married and same sex couples were getting married there quite often. Merkel is at odds with what the public opinion is on gay/lesbian issues. I wouldn't vote for her but she is not a crazy nutter as Romney or Palin or other right wing weirdos in the US (which got almost half of the votes in the last two elections BTW). I cant remember of hate crimes that are being reported in the US ever happened in Germany.
"same sex couples were getting married there quite often"
Why do you lie R21? Do you think people won't notice?
Same Sex marriage is illegal in Germany and you damn well know that. Gays don't even have basic tax equality in Germany.
R22 Same sex marriage is not illegal in Germany - by law it is not considered the same as in heterosexual marriages, that's true (tax, adoption and other things are still considered differently with same sex couples) but gays and lesbians get "married' since 2001 by the same person and by the same institution who marries hetero couples. By law you are considered husband and husband or wife and wife.
R23 why are you spinning propaganda? It this a German thing? Do Germans not understand the difference?
If you call a cow and dog, that does not mean the cow is a dog. It just means you are a bit nuts.
I am pretty sure I am not nuts, but I am not so sure you R25 are not ignorant. If you want to talk about gay and lesbian issues around the world be better informed. BTW, I don't really like Merkel but she didn't have a problem nominating a gay person as foreign affairs minister. He usually takes his "husband" along when he travels as foreign minister. I don't like this guy either because he supports anti social policies, but that's another story.
Allowing gays to exist is not pro gay. Merkel actively votes down basic equality for gays. Obviously those gays in her party are even worse than Log Cabin Republicans.
Germany is not a progressive modern country. Its advances in technology, make people think it is.
It's really funny when Americans try and comment on politics and society in other countries, especially for the countries that don't use English.
As far as Germany and treatment of gays is concerned.... once a very bad mistake (1930-40s), twice.....a permanent part of the national character of Germans.
Just that in Germany more gay couples are allowed to get legal partnerships and get married than in the US.
Celebrating the second class status of Gays in Germany.
Did Germans encourage the Jews celebrate their second class status in the 1930s too?
Germany is like New Mexico - more potentially progressive on gay rights than many European countries (and American state), but not a trailbrazer by any means.
I thought Merkel was a lesbian. Is she not out?
But New Mexico didn't round up gays and murder them in concentrations camps a few generations ago, so the pressure to make up for that history, is not the same comparison.
I'm talking about right now, right now, R36. Frankly, most people don't even remember that gays were also placed in concentration camps.
The US should be the number one country in the world pushing for gay marriage and, frankly, it's outrageous that president Obama has only been able to come out in favour of marriage equality in literally the past few months. Even then, he is not equivocal about this support and has never stated explicitly "I believe all Americans should be able to have full and equal marriage rights that are recognised throughout the nation and at federal level, also allowing the foreign spouses of gay Americans the right to settle here." After the racist anti-miscegnation marriage laws rife through many states of the US - even when President Obama was born in many states his parents would not have been able to marry - it is outrageous that the US continues to deny full marriage rights to all its citizens.
It's astonishing that even as recently as the 1960s American citizens were imprisoned in certain states simply for marrying - legally in another state - a person of another race. Given the US's history of slavery and racial discord and the repugnance of its anti-miscegnation laws it's astonishing that the United States Supreme Court is widely expected to allow the practice of letting individual states decide whether they can discriminate against their own citizens in such a way.
Oh, and if an American-German same-sex couple marries (although this marriage is only recognised in a handful of US states) in New York state then the German partner will not be able to reside in the US and create a home with their spouse. But, if that same American-German same-sex couple were to have a civil partnership in Germany, then the American partner is able to reside in Germany and create a home with their spouse.
[quote]Why the heck Germany elected such an anti-gay leader is another question.
Well probably because gays aren't their top priority, but I'm just guessing.
[quote]I thought Merkel was a lesbian.
She's been married - to a man - twice. However, as noted, her fashion sense could lead you to assume otherwise.
NOBODY, has forgotten the Holocaust R37.
Although I can see how some people, like yourself, would want that.
Thank you r38 for being the voice of reason. Germany is far mote progressive in many ways than the US, I can't believe anyone would think otherwise.
It ain't 1945 anymore, people.
Arguing that Germany is better than some places in the USA (Like Texas or Tennessee).... why not use the comparisons, Germany is better than Saudi Arabia and Iran too?
It is..... isn't it???
R43, Germany is better for gays than most places in the United States, including those states which have same-sex marriage.
The truly ridiculous thing about the German-bashing Americans is that they mistakenly believe that gay people have more rights in the US than gays in Germany do.
Gays in the USA do have more rights that Gays in Germany. Plus the US head of state. President Obama, is publicly, fully supportive of full equality in ALL US states.
Germanys Merkel actively vetos any attempts for even minor improvements in the second/third class rights Gay Germans have, never mind her total refusal to ever consider full equal rights.
If apologists like R44 are the only thing Germany has going for it today, I can see now why Germany has had such a terrible history on the treatment of its Gay citizens.
Really. r45? Can you tell me a single better right that gays in the US have than gays in Germany? Because, I can't think of one. Go on, tell us.
And, when did Obama come round to his newfound belief that all US states should have gay marriage? Because during his first presidential election campaign he was saying bullshit like "I think marriage is only between a man and a woman because God is in the mix". He only "evolved" on the issue relatively recently.
And when did Merkel ever veto anything? You do realise she doesn't actually have the right to veto anything, don't you? And the thing you are referring to that her party voted against was the issue of same-sex couples filing joint taxes - which is a principle that does not even exist in the US.
And, fuck off about history. Anyone trying to claim that because Germany does not have gay marriage (yet it has almost all the rights attached to gay marriage, unlike the US) that means it's like the 1930s and 1940s can go and fuck right off.
You know, if you had a German partner and you wanted to live together in the same country, you could have a German civil partnership and you could move to Germany. But, your German partner would not be able to move to the US to live with you if you married each other in New York state.
P.S. You do realise that Merkel is a conservative politician. When your main conservative political party (i.e. the Republicans) is as in support of gay rights as German conservatives are then you can crow about how so much more wonderful the US is.
Merkel is the world's hero (heroine) standing up against the NWO and it's satanic agenda.
I love her.
David Cameron, UK PM, is a Conservative and he publicly supports equal rights for gays. So does Dick Cheney and FoxNew's Glenn Beck. You can't get more conservative than that.
Oy. Another thread full of halfwits who have never even left their home state spouting nonsense.
Germany is far more liberal than the general US and being politically conservative in Germany doesn't mean the same as being a Repug in the US.
You guys have no idea how good a life you could have in Germany.
Second class status is second class status. One is not more progressive than the other. The German arrogance is vulgar on this thread.
R49, wow, so you name three people who have all "evolved" from their previously anti-gay marriage positions, only one of whom is a politician. On the basis of which you are trying to claim that the position on gay marriage and gay rights of one of the two major parties in the US, the Republicans, is better than that of the CDU in Germany?
This is election year in Germany. Cameron has had huge trouble getting gay marriage through, Hollande too. Why would a conservative political leader, whose party is not fully at one on the issue (although there are many in favour) want to potentially create more problems at such a crucial time?
R51, why is second-class status fine in the US, which doesn't have full gay marriage throughout the land, but not in Germany? And, if second-class status means not having gay marriage then gays in 99.99% of the world have second-class status. In fact, some are in much worse situations and get put to death for being gay. But, clearly, in a world like that, Angela Merkel not swinging behind gay marriage is obviously the worst thing that can happen.
You know, gay marriage is a very important issue, but it's not the most fucking important issue and it's not the be all and end all of being gay. Just because it's the burning issue in the US at the moment, doesn't mean it has to be everywhere else. The US isn't the entirety of humanity, it's not like everything that is a hot button issue in the US has to be in Europe or anywhere else.
Nevertheless, Germany is significantly more likely to get full gay marriage for all its citizens before the US gets full gay marriage for all its citizens. And I am still waiting to hear exactly what the better rights that US gays have over German gays are. None of you Germanophobes can answer that!
The American arrogance is vulgar on this thread.
Real-life situation of a German-American same-sex couple: it's not the German end of things that's causing problems for this couple but the American end.
"You know, gay marriage is a very important issue, but it's not the most fucking important issue and it's not the be all and end all of being gay. Just because it's the burning issue in the US at the moment, doesn't mean it has to be everywhere else. The US isn't the entirety of humanity, it's not like everything that is a hot button issue in the US has to be in Europe or anywhere else."
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You are a fucking moron, R41. People have largely forgotten that the Holocaust included gay victims. What an idiotic dripping cunt you are... Learn to read, you stupid NYC cow.
I think you need to separate general acceptance of LGBT people in society and LGBT rights. Is Germany a nice place to live for gays, are they visible, do they get harassed etc? I would say yes, they are visible. There have been many gay characters on tv. I'd also say that it seems like most Germans are genuinely accepting of gay people, and although I'm sure there's still some homophobia left, by my experience, it doesn't seem worse than in other places. Then you have LGBT rights, which doesn't necessarily mirror the positive attitudes of the people, which really is a shame. I definitely agree that with German history especially, they really should support LGBT rights. But I still think German Gays live happy lives, despite not having full equality.
Then you have my country. I'm from Norway, and I can tell you that I'd much rather live in Germany. Norway is a racist, homophobic and conservative shithole. Do we have equal rights? For the most part yes (even though we can't get married in church yet). Are we accepted in society though? HELL NO! Christians still consider gays sick, disgusting, unnatural etc. And trust me, the Christians still have a lot of power in this country, even our fairly liberal state church voted no to gay marriages. And don't even get me started on the muslims.
I do think some countries have both though.. I think Spain, The Netherlands, England and to an extent Sweden and Denmark, have high acceptance of LGBT people in society, and equal rights.
Just don't be so fast to label countries where gay marriage is legal as a sort of haven for LGBT people, because that simply isn't the case.
Idiot at r54, can you please name a right that gay people in the US have that gay people in Germany don't? Thanks!
Will somebody rape that FAT BITCH so she'll finally taste a cock and calm down and give gays their rights?
[quote]Idiot at [R54], can you please name a right that gay people in the US have that gay people in Germany don't? Thanks!
Well, your right to bear arms is a lot different than ours.
Helpful, R 58.
It depends on the state, r57.
In some US states, gay couples can marry and adopt - two things which they can't do in Germany.
Gays in Germany can adopt, r67. Moreover, civil unions in Germany grant more rights than marriages in the handful of US states that allow them do, immigration of your partner being one important right as well as your same-sex partner rights going with you whichever part of the country you live in.
I know everyone in the US is getting all excited because DOMA will probably be overturned. But, nowhere else - and certainly not Germany - ever had anything as stupid as DOMA to overturn in the first place.
[quote]Gays in Germany can adopt
I meant joint adoption.
[quote]civil unions in Germany grant more rights than marriages in the handful of US states that allow them do
It's not about which rights are granted and which aren't, it's about whether there's legal equality or not. Which is there in New York, but not in Germany.
"Germany is not a progressive modern country. Its advances in technology, make people think it is."
And yet, Germans get six weeks vacation, maternity/paternity leave, women get a small pension for the years they spent raising children, and they have a female head of state (the US never even had a female vice president).
When people are talking about England here, are they actually talking about England or do they mean the United Kingdom? Because same sex marriage in Scotland has exactly the same rights and responsibilities in every way, including parental and tax issues, as heterosexual marriage but that isn't the case in England. The law isn't the same throughout all four countries that make up the UK.
Germany is light years ahead of the US, however, that may be due to overcompensation from guilt.
Not far off a bull-dyke.
"Germany is light years ahead of the US, however, that may be due to overcompensation from guilt."
Not really. Germany was the leader in the sciences and arts before Hitler came into power.
The most significant thing I've learned on this thread is that Glenn Beck now supports marriage equality?
There is no legal equality in Germany - at all.
The US is an interesting country but in social issues it is light years behind compared to most European countries.
I am pretty sure more people are anti gay marriage in the US than in Germany. Almost half of Americans voted for an extremely conservative politician in the last election.
I want to move to Germany.
You would think now that the Nazi Pope Ratzinger has been banished, Germans would back away from their anti-gay attitudes.
R63, how much more "equal" are gays in the vast majority of the US, not just a handful of states, over gays in Germany? Seriously, your desire to bash Germany and arrogant belief that the US is the best place in the world are leading you to some tortuous logic.
Oh, and, again, a resident of New York cannot have their foreign same-sex partner come and live with them, whereas a citizen of Germany can.
On the whole, however, I'm rather more worried about the complete lack of rights for gay people in places like Iran, Uganda, etc.
I think there are much more people having gay or lesbian relationships or g/l sex in the US than in Germany. Politics, gay marriage and laws are overrated. German mentality is pretty old-fashioned, intolerant, conformed and fun-free. And there are about 10 people of public life
(meaning entertainers, politicians, media guys etc.) who admit that they are homosexual, three of them are black and one is Persian.
Berlin is the only close to gay friendly city in all Germany. But it is Gay friendly circa New York in the 1970s. Very, very discrete and secretive, but the basements are alive.
There are more out Gay celebrities any major US city, than in the entire country of Germany today.....just so you know what the "climate" is like there.
She and Putin got flashed today by protestor boobies. Putin looked like he enjoyed it.
Merkels Party, the CDU, is being banned from attending Berlin Pride this year.
Seems like LGBT Germans are FINALLY waking up.
To claim that the US is more progressive on gay rights than Germany is a joke.
That said, it is strange that no German state has attempted to legalize gay marriage. Or is that only in the jurisdiction of the federal government in Germany??
The USA is much more progressive than Germany on LGBT equality. Times 10. The difference is the extremes that exist in the USA, which Germany does not have. Germany is less than LGBT friendly middle ground over all. The USA has both extreme poles of LGBT friendly ground/ anti-gay hatred.
Has Merkel come our yet?
r80 exaggerates a lot, but he has the gist of it right when he says
[quote]The difference is the extremes that exist in the USA, which Germany does not have
In Germany, there aren't many people who are actively anti-gay rights, but there aren't many people who are actively anti-homophobia either.
r82, change comes with slow deliberation in Germany for many things. It's not because of a bigoted opposition. It's just typical of the political culture.
If you want to know what Germans actually think.... According to Wikipedia, the most recent poll showed 74% support same sex marriage with 23% opposed. Try to get those kind of numbers in the US.
Fine as long as your country isn't in debt.
r83 - what I meant is that there's more tolerance for casual homophobia in Germany than in the US.
Let me illustrate with an example: a few years ago, the German equivalent of Simon Cowell called a contestant on German Idol a faggot. There was no controversy over it at all. It wasn't even a story apart from in the gay media.
Now imagine the same thing happening on American Idol...
rotten useless cunt
Germans on TV called a gay person f*aggot and nobody really cared.....yeah....this does not surprise me at all. Germans have a bit of a history treating Gay people like this....