"Livid" billionaire donors who threw hundreds of millions down the Rove rathole, and even getting bitchslapped by Donald Trump!
[quote]"The billionaire donors I hear are livid," one Republican operative told The Huffington Post. "There is some holy hell to pay. Karl Rove has a lot of explaining to do … I don't know how you tell your donors that we spent $390 million and got nothing."
[quote]Rove even suffered the indignity of being insulted on Twitter by the blustery Donald Trump, who had attended Romney's election night party here on Tuesday night, but left early after it was clear that Obama had won a second term.
[quote]"Congrats to @KarlRove on blowing $400 million this cycle. Every race @CrossroadsGPS ran ads in, the Republicans lost. What a waste of money," Trump tweeted, inaccurately...
[quote]Rove was forced to defend his group's expenditures live on Fox News on Tuesday night, and will hold a briefing with top donors on Thursday, according to Politico.
He is getting EXACTLY what he deserves. This self-inflated fat fuck has had it coming for a long long time now. Were only he somehow ended up being pushed down a long flight of stairs to land on Barbara Bush -- now that would be justice truly fitting this rancid shitstain on America's history.
This asshole and his mentor Lee Atwater deserve the hell they will surely find themselves in for what they have done to polarize this country and turn people against one another -- while making a sleazy fortune in the process of doing so.
I totally agree, R1.
The other part is that these people were gambling. If they couldn't afford to lose the money, they shouldn't have placed their bets. Too bad they chose the wrong horse to bet.
Every smarmy, manipulating lying fraud and douchebag eventually gets his/her comeuppance.
Romney, Rove, Trump, McConnell, Ryan, Koch Bothers, Sheldon Addelson, Coulter, Hannity, Limbaugh Fox News, etc., etc. finally got theirs. The list could go on forever.
He's the lowest of the low
[quote]Were only he somehow ended up being pushed down a long flight of stairs to land on Barbara Bush -- now that would be justice
Are you kidding? She'd be the one to push him.
Is this the beginning of the end for Rove? I don't see how any more future GOP candidates would want Turd Blossom anywhere near them. His brand of vitriol and divisiveness.
He's a psychopath and a ratfucking cannibal, he'll turn on romney and eat his own.
They've already turned against him at Red State. Rachel did a segment on how all his money *may* have affected one (1) Senate race (in Nevada) - period.
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All of those fat cats who donated expecting to be appointed as ambassadors to some cushy country must be planning to "disappear" him.
Anything that takes money away from these evil plutocrats sounds pretty good to me.
Funny...I think Rove just officially became the biggest ponzi schemer in history!
I love it when somebody really, seriously gets to you guys, e.g., self-inflated fat fuck rancid shitstain asshole smarmy manipulating lying fraud and douchebag lowest of the low Turd Blossom vitriol and divisiveness.
Oh, this idiot at r11 is in a bunch of threads decrying 'hate' from Democrats because we dare to have some balls.
Yeah, tell me more about the sweetness and light of the Tea Party and Rush Limbaugh, Pollyanna. The fact is ol' Karl thought he could steal another election and is infuriated that America didn't go along. Who can forget hour upon hour in the last 2 days of Rush, Bill O'Reilly, Hannity, etc. raging and bloviating about the "oppressed minority of white people" and how "people just want stuff from Santa Claus." Did you see the angry football player on Fox & Friends? I did. He's spitting and fuming.
Thanks, R11. It's always good to hear Jack Kerouac's take on politics.
W&W for R5.
Maybe if Republicans stopped pandering to the mouth-breathing crowd and realized they need to be a bit more moderate and accepting... I dunno, just a hunch. If you have to throw millions of dollars at winning an election (which is really sad and pathetic, btw) and you still lose, then it's probably time to consider all the issues you're on the wrong side of.
He's going to face a bunch lawsuits for fraud.
I hope so.
Isn't a conflict of interest for Rove to run a PAC and be a political consultant/commentator on FOX News?
So Rove is going to be the fall guy... interesting...
Karl Rove is the Joseph Goebbels of the 21st century. The man has told so many lies he can no longer distinguish fact from the fantasy world he's created.
And the Republican party today is just like the Nazi Party in April of 1945: hunkered down in their bunker, still thinking they can win and blaming and scapegoating anybody they think is standing in the way of their domination of the world. In the Republican Party's case, that would be women, blacks, Hispanics, Asians and gays, or in other words, most of the US population.
karl rove SHOULD be one of the fall guys.
Alec Baldwin said "you know your party's in trouble when you ask 'did the rape guy win?' and you have to ask 'which one?'"
If these major donors were organized crime, and, let's face it, they are very close to it, Karl's days would be numbered.
Someone needs to bug that room and then put the tape online.
The only race they bought was
Nevada Senate: Dean Heller
How pathetic that rich white guys will spend 1 billion dollars rather than just pay their fair share in taxes. Aren't political donations tax deductible, so they will probably end up making money on it anyway.
Political contributions aren't tax deductible.
Sadly, I think you all underestimate Rove.
He'll let them yell, and then he'll convince them that it's all their fault and they need to spend twice as much in 2014.
Here's another tidbit: Clear Channel is owned by Bain Capital.
And YES they are deductible, 100%.
What kind of country is this when you can't even buy an election?
We know $6B was spent this year on political ads, let's say 1/2 of which went to outdoor/radio/tv ads and the largest corporation with all 3? Yep, Bain Capital. The sole stock holder? Yep, Mit Romney.
Political donations are not tax deductable, but I am not so sure that donations to PACs are not tax deductable since they are not donations to a candidate.
The wonderful news of this election is that the huge money spent by plutocrats to get what they want (in most cases not ambassadorships but favorable treatment of their interests no matter what the cost) did not carry the day. That is not to say that huge money will not in the future. I tend to think that if Republicans had dropped their social/religious agenda and all that goes with it- they may have carried the day on their (false) economic arguments. I believe their immigration positions, their positions on abortion, birth control, rape(!) planned parenthood, gay marriage etc is what did them in.
In any case, big money did not carry the day. The good fight won this time.
Also, Obama had/has the most sophisticated on the ground organization that targeted his most likely constituency. Their goal was and is to get them to vote to carry the day. This is where practically all the DNC money goes- to this organization. Romney mimiced this operation late in the game and did it poorly, or so I am told.
By the way, Lee Atwater, who was Rove's mentor and the dirtiest political hack perhaps of all time, I believe did die, horribly- from brain cancer (probably glioblastoma) and from what I remember of a documentary of his life- was quite repentent at the end of his life for his methods on the job. Intersting.
Rove and Limbaugh ought to buy a nice dockside ranch in Ft Lauderdale and tend potted plants, pop oxycontin and tuck into their favorite junk food. They can surf the internet for their favorite porn and help each other wank off (since neither can reach their own little dicks).
Oh, is it wrong for me to be getting such joy from the mere thought of this?
Oh, rapture undefined!
KKKarl Rove's ass will soon be MINE!
I'm right with you, R34.
R33, READ link at R31, PAC donations are labeled "Business Expense" and are 100% tax deductible, IF the pac doesn't tell you who to vote for. Obama is a bad bad bad Muslim, he's ruining this county." THAT is not tell you who to vote for, just who is "ruining" the country.
[quote]He'll let them yell, and then he'll convince them that it's all their fault and they need to spend twice as much in 2014.
Nah don't be too sure after his Fox debacle, trying to pull the call. Even Republicans said he was an embarrasment.
[quote] Any donation to a political party, campaign, or action committee is non-deductible. Other non-deductible contributions are those to individual people, labor unions, business associations, for-profit schools, for-profit hospitals, foreign governments, and fees paid to associations or state or municipal governments.
It wasn't about how much money they raised since both sides had over a $1 billion. The Obama campaign was smart enough to spend that on high tech database mining and micro targeting. The Republicans ran a bunch of 30 seconds ads and it got them nowhere. They were outsmarted.
It's just a cycle.
Rove, Inc was pronounced DOA in 2008.
Then in 2010, the GOP "swept the House." It was pronounced a resounding success for the GOP operatives.
Now in 2012, it's "Ut oh, Rove's in trouble."
It's the usual media narrative. They pretended their was a real race for the 2012 GOP candidate when it was always going to be Romney. The whole primary season was pure theater.
Them there was the pretense that it was a horse race between Romney and Obama when it was known a year ago that Obama would win, barring some scandal.
The "Rove is in trouble" meme is a construct. He ain't going nowhere.
[quote] huge money spent by plutocrats to get what they want (in most cases not ambassadorships but favorable treatment of their interests no matter what the cost) did not carry the day
We don't know that yet.
I'll believe they didn't carry the day when I see tax cuts expire and tax increases on the wealthy actually take place.
We have pretty much the same thing we had before the election. A Democratic president, a Republican congress, a slim Democratic senate majority and a conservative activist Supreme Court.
Let's see what happens
[quote] pretended their was
I think you are right R40- Limbaugh as well. But is sure was good to see him and his billions fail.
R41- would you rather have Romney in office and Republican Senate?
The "budget cliff" was created by the Republican House- it is in their interest (politically) to not let it take effect- never mind matters of good policy. They know it, Obama knows it. They have to play ball.
A compromise is what will happen- don't go crazy if all we want does not happen. Compromise is the nature of all politics, for all time.
Yeah, I was pretty sure PAC donations were deductable- thanks for the confirmations above. I gave a lot of money (for me) to campaigns this year- directly- so I have less for my usual tax deductable donations. I did not give to any PAC.
Billionaires aren't losing money if they donated to PACs.
So they are no poorer than they were before this.
It's all theater.
The latest GOP meme is that Hurricane Sandy won Obama the presidency. Pfft. Blue states were affected. Chris Christie had nothing to do with it. His state was voting for Obama anyway.
Don't write off Rove. He's got a lifetime position.
From today's NY Times. Hee hee:
The biggest single donor in political history, the casino billionaire Sheldon Adelson, mingled with other Romney backers at a postelection breakfast, fresh off a large gamble gone bad. Of the eight candidates he supported with tens of millions of dollars in contributions to “super PACs,” none were victorious on Tuesday.
"It's just a cycle.
Rove, Inc was pronounced DOA in 2008."
And he was DOA in 2008 and remained so and by hijacking the Tea Party to become the Republican Party, he essentially killed both. The man is DOA now and forever.
Then they are idiots. You don't spend billions on an election thinking you won't possibly lose. The responsibility is your own.
But then again, even that upper 1/10 of 1% sometimes think of themselves as "victims," don't they, Mitt?
One of Roves soldiers was on Chuck Todd's show this morning. He said their explanation of the debacle was that the results would have been much worse had it not been for their involvement. Yeah, that's going to make the rich guys feel sooooo much better.
[quote]The biggest single donor in political history, the casino billionaire Sheldon Adelson, mingled with other Romney backers at a postelection breakfast, fresh off a large gamble gone bad.
As The Daily Show pointed out last night, Adelson did more to defeat Romney than anyone with the massive checks he wrote to Gingrich to attack Romney in the primaries, and it was his money that paid for the 30 minute commercial/movie attacking Romney over Bain--a theme the President only had to pick up and run to victory with. Obama owes Adelson a thank-you note.
But because he is rich and has the ability to write those checks again in 2014 and 2016, everyone is more than comfortable overlooking that fact.
If that doesn't prove that this is about money and not about any real moral or political viewpoint, then nothing does.
I don't think Lee Atwater would ever been as tin-eared as Rove. He looked at real data, he didn't sequester himself with 'unskewed' polls and numbers and old turnout models the way these people have.
I'll be there to fuck his pain away.
An EMS crew was called to the scene of Karl Rove's closed meeting with billionaire donors, where witnesses said medics pumped nearly a gallon of fresh semen from his stomach.
[quote]One of Roves soldiers was on Chuck Todd's show this morning. He said their explanation of the debacle was that the results would have been much worse had it not been for their involvement.
Amazing. And it doesn't square with the fact that Romney received 2 million votes fewer than McCain in 2008.
Someone high up HAS to take the fall. The 1%'s ego is hurt and they won't be happy with some minor minion getting his head cut off.
Rove made the mistake to fix the results for Romney too low and the voter support for Obama surpassed Rove's fixed voter fraud results.
Rove is a like a cockroach. Don't count him out yet.
[quote]Don't write off Rove. He's got a lifetime position.
so, when does he die?
He'll probably have no trouble raising another half a billion for the mid terms. These Republican billionaires hate the left so much that they'll listen to any excuse he gives them.
[quote]Don't write off Rove. He's got a lifetime position.
There was a time when Cher had the distinguished honor of being the only living thing still left standing along with the cockroaches after the nuclear holocaust.
However, I'm afraid that Cher and the cockroaches may have unwelcome company to scum up their idyllic universe: Karl Rove.
If this vile pig had any self-respect he would never have shown his ham face again after the entire W. Bush Administration left office in disgrace.
I wouldn't be surprised if one of his mega-wealthy donors invites Karl over to their estate...in order to play the most dangerous game!
David Axelrod was on TV today saying that maybe all those billionaire donors will think twice, because they got nothing from Karl Rove! LOL! Gotta love Axe!
Karl! Old buddy! Let's go hunting.
Election's biggest loser: Karl Rove
Karl Rove and his investors were the biggest losers on US election day.
The Republican strategist created the model for outside money groups that raised and spent more than $US1 billion ($960 million) on the November 6 elections – many of which saw almost no return for their money.
He won't be out of work but he's got a problem.
It's not just that he took almost $400 million dollars. It's not even that he lost some - it's that he took all that money and lost almost all of them. More importantly, he has made rich old white men look like fools. They hate that as much or more than having thrown the money away.
He publicly embarrassed them.
I'm thrilled to have made R12 mad enough that he actually td'd me. I don't watch all those Fox shows he seems drawn to, but I doubt if anyone was "bloviating about the oppressed minority of white people."
does anyone else think that the reason rove refused to believe the call on ohio was because he was waiting for the results from his rigged voting machines to come in, but somehow they never did? he was just waaaaay too positive the results would eventually be in his favor....
i wonder if someone foiled the plot? re-rigged the machines?
Is Rove a top or a bottom when he hires hustlers?
yes, r69. There was a look in his eyes that read "but that isn't how we rigged this!!!"
R67 has a very good point.
Wait--R68, you're "thrilled" that you made R12 mad?
What happened to all your pleas for civility?
Yeah, no one's buying what you're selling. We know who you are. You were nasty pre-election and this new persona you're pushing is a crock of shit.
Beyond that, every one of your posts is insane.
R67 is right. And, don't forget, Karl doesn't do charity work. He got a chunk right up front. So right now it is looking like he fleeced them.
R68 is an idiot. Karl Rove's behavior on Fox during the election was discussed all over the media yesterday and Wednesday.
R69, you may be right about Rove, but the deal is, rigging only works at the margins, in other words, the voting has to be very close to believably bump it the other way. Apparently, it wasn't as close as Rove thought it would be, so it didn't happen.
Karma's a bitch, ain't it?
[quote] I don't watch all those Fox shows he seems drawn to, but I doubt if anyone was "bloviating about the oppressed minority of white people."
That's exactly what they were saying. "Wah wah wah, demographics have changed forever. Wah wah wah, 'traditional America' is no more. Wah wah wah, white voters only accounted for X percent of the vote." And so on. They weren't even being especially subtle with their coded language this time.
Karl Rove will be back. He always comes back.
This is so rich it just HAS to be fattening.
Another +1 with r67.
Plutocrats mete out the humiliation and embarrassment,they're not ever on the receiving end. Until now.
Still, the Karl Roves and Ralph Reeds of this world can't be killed off. They're more durable then vampires; mere wooden stakes and silver bullets won't do the trick.
Lee Atwater had the grace to have his brain rot from cancer. We can hope for similar for Rove.
Even the Republicans trying to remain "above the fray" focus on pandering to the Hispanic vote, i.e. immigration issues. Nothing about how the idea of tax breaks for the rich and cuts in social services is summarily rejected by the majority of the American public.
I've also not heard a lot from Republicans about how they might need to take a look at their archaic views about women's reproductive rights. Lord knows not a word about their attitudes about gays.
Again, more simple-mindedness from a bunch of fucked-up people.
I'm surprised by the number of posters still willing to ascribe some power to Karl Rove. He's OVAH! Who's going to give him another 400 M to blow? He's gone the way of Tom DeLay. Over. Finished. Never to be heard from again.
Where the hell is Wikileaks when you need them?
They should be gathering emails from Crossroads GPS, the Romney campaign, and the Republican Party HQ.
R80 - the job of a Republican political woman is to stare in adoring wonder at some of the ugliest, in-bred mother-fuckers in the world...
Who then goes out and fucks his nice little Log Cabinner...
I hope I'm wrong and you're right, r81.
Dick Morris -- always wrong. Still as a job
Charles Krauthammer -- Always wrong. Still has a job
Rupert Murdoch -- Always wrong. Still a billionaire media-shaping creep
William Kristol -- Always wrong. Still has the Weekly Standard, funded at at least a loss of a million dollars a year by Murdoch
Grover Norquist -- never elected to anything. Still has enormous, unearned media and political power
Karl Rove -- will still have a job. Sends his kid to the same school as political dynasty children, media mucky-muck children, billionaire children. He's in the Beltway-billionaire-K Street-political-media bubble. Not going anywhere.
If you think he's going anywhere, you're not cynical enough to understand today's America.
[quote]Don't write off Rove. He's got a lifetime position.
[quote]so, when does he die?
On the same day as Dick Cheney.
devils never die
It would be funny if Rove disappeared like Hoffa. It could happen. "Last seen getting into a black SUV"......
[quote] Who's going to give him another 400 M to blow?
Yeah, this. It's never going to happen again. No one thinks he possesses magical powers anymore.
Well I just hope that what people take away from this is to be very careful about who you listen to and which media source you trust.
Will never happen R89. That's what both Faux News and I hope for.
Know who you're dealing with and adjust accordingly.
Remember, moderate Republicans are gone or in deep hiding. These are Evangelicals and those playing their game. You don't compromise on Jesus. Jesus makes them always right and they are always converting you from a morally-superior position.
Facts are dangerous.
Glenn Beck just told his followers to move west and take their kids out of the indoctrinating public schools. The entire message of the Democratic National Convention was missed by them.
This is "repent sinners and see you in church. And stop thinking, it's dangerous!"
has anybody seen karl since the election? maybe r92 is right.
R85, I agree with that. But even Washington can be a funny place. Sure, he can keep his kids in school - from all those consulting fees he pocketed from his super PAC - he can write his little opinion pieces. Basically, he can become Dick Morris.
But he'll never be "Karl Rove" again. Nobody is going to give him $400 M again. And nobody is going to think he has magical dark powers again. His brand is ruined. It's just turd now without the blossom.
Also R91, according to the election breakdown in the NYT the religious right can do what they want but they are no longer a factor that can win GOP elections. They turned up, they were there but there's not enough of them; like the angry old white men, their numbers are dwindling and the under 30s are not identifying with religion. In fact, the number of people in that age range that describe themselves as agnostic or aethiest is growing.
It's a numbers game and the evangelicals and conservative establishment do not have the numbers anymore.
Now we need the fundies to split from the Repugs and form their own party so we can be rid of them both forever.
i'm still worried- where is dear sweet karl? i hope nothing bad has happened to him.
Karl's probably stranded in some god forsaken place trying to figure out why the credit card from the Romney campaign no longer works.
Not to worry, r99. Karl was on Hannity last night. He's hiding in plain sight.