Which Democrats Do We Want Running For President In 2016?
We know Cory Booker betrayed Obama with his early support of Bain - he'll never be President now. That leaves Hillary, Martin O'Malley, and Joaquin Castro, right? Who else am I missing?
Or is it Julian Castro? Living near Ann gives one amnesia.
Joe Biden (although like Hills, probably too old)
Andrew Cuomo (and his concubine, Sandra Lee)
It better be someone with balls of steel. The wingnuts are going to bring out their A team. (Bush, Christie, Rubio etc) They will push the crazies out of the running because they believe they have a serious shot in 2016. And they will fight even dirtier than ever. Mitt layed the groundwork for all kind of new tricks, like ignoring the press, questioning polls, so they will be like rabid dogs looking for human flesh.
Martin O'Malley/Deval Patrick. Done deal.
If history is any predictor, the Republicans will want to go even harder to the right, so expect a Bachmann/Paul (Ron or Rand, your choice) ticket in 2016. So it really doesn't matter who the Democrats nominate.
Hillary will be pushing 70 and Joe will be in his 70's. Both too old.
Julian Castro will need to run for governor or a national office before running for president. He is only a mayor right now. As is Cory Booker. Although I see Cory Booker running for governor against Christie next year.
Martin O'Malley is a good choice but a bit of a bore (Tim Pawlenty syndrome).
I see Andrew Cuomo as a good bet, but don't know enough about him to make that judgement yet.
Joe Biden has earned it and he certainly has the expeience and know-how, but in 2016, he will 73. I would prefer someone who is younger who could endure the job for eight years. Maybe Joe could, but I don't know.
Hillary was, is and always will be my girl, and she'll be 69 in 2016. I have always wanted her to be president. So I'm going with Hillary over Joe, and even she may be bordering on 'too old.' But I want her to be president so badly that Hillary is the one for me.
Just shut the fuck up!
We just went through a million years of this shit and op wants to start it again. Go to hell, OP.
R9 is an astonishingly incoherent moron. Did he take his meds today?
Of the "known quantity" list, I'd give it to Hillary over Joe Biden (as much as I love him). The past 4 years (and upcoming 4 years) have given her a bit more gravitas and experience - she's managed to keep her profile relatively low and build credibility and her reputation with the state department gig (paying her dues), moreso than when she was a senator. Bill's reputation, as evidenced by this election, has largely been rehabilitated, and he's now a great asset to her. The old scandals and right-wing talking points, about Watergate et al., are now a pretty distant memory for most voters. And she'll be another "first" that will drive voter interest and maintain the theme of Democratic diversity.
By the way, I say this as someone who favored Obama over her previous candidacy - don't think that was the right timing for her, but I think 2016 might work for her, despite her age. Also, I expect her to come around on issues like gay marriage, etc. by then, since it's now the official platform and clearly wasn't a liability for the President (how amazing is that?!)
Of the up and comers, I'd say maybe Andrew Cuomo? Will have to see how he fleshes out over the next few years, but he's a popular governor at the moment - don't know if he's "centrist" and broadly appealing enough, though.
I don't see anything happening for Cory Booker or Julian Castro - too young and inexperienced, and not as much evidence yet of the magnetism and media savvy of Obama. They might be good running mates, though, although their home states (New Jersey, Texas?) don't really add much to the electoral chances.
Did I say Watergate? I meant Whitewater... again, going to the point of it being a distant memory for most people by this point...
Isn't Texas supposed to be a swing state in 2016, though, R11?
I like the idea of Hillary too. Maybe with Gavin Newsome as a running mate?
I'm going with Hillary. 70 isn't really old, old. Pair her up with an engaging Latino VP and the Dems will have this on lock.
BIll Richardson, then the Latino vote is insured.
I want Martin O'Malley in me quite deeply for the next four years.
Bill Richardson is not only corrupt, he has some of the nastiest baggage of anyone in politics. His corruption is the reason NM has a Republican governor now.
His secretary of state when he was NM governor refused to be in the same room with him because he wouldn't stop groping her. That's just for starters.
Bill Richardson may be Latino, but he's not an appealing national candidate.
I can certainly live with Hilllary at the top of the ticket. We'll have to see how she feels about her age, stamina and desire. But if there's going to be a Latino as VP, then it's got to be someone vital, vibrant, charasmatic with a dynamic presence to capture the public's attention--with policies to match.
Don't forget...Romney thought he had the right VP with all those appealing qualities--except Ryan's policies suck. As did Romney's. The combination was a lost cause as we see.
I think for the VP slot, the parties have to remember that the person is one step away from the presidency, and voters probably want some sort of "reassurance" they can handle the job. I thought Ryan was an awful Romney running mate for any number of reasons, but the most was his youth and inexperience, which was on full display in the debate against Biden.
What did you think seniors saw during the VP debate? Smug satisfaction from seeing a young know-it-all getting trounced by an older person who actually knew the ropes. Biden was good for Obama's candidacy because he brought a balance of experience and statesmanship to Obama's youth and energy.
Even though Hillary will have the experience and statesmanship this time around, she'll still need a running mate who can show that s/he can hold his or her own.
Bill Richardson is being investigated for a number of illegal acts he committed while he was governor of NM. Rumors say there's a criminal indictment in his future. He did some wonderful things, like abolishing the death penalty, but he's an old style corrupt politician.
Senator Gillibrand from NY is an excellent Senator
I like her too, R22. People in the rest of the country are suspicious of New Yorkers and prefer not to vote for anyone from there, but she might be able to overcome that. I don't think Cuomo would be able to.
I keep hearing straight folks talking up Gov. Schweitzer of Montana.
Schweitzer was amazing on Bill Mahers show a few weeks back. He shut down Issa's lies every time that fucker opened his mouth. He's lived in the Middle East and is a good ol' boy from Montana. He'd be perfect to VP for Clinton.
Forget Cory. Can't risk everyone knowing he goes to the other side with men or woman.
I love Hillary, but a Schweitzer-Tester ticket would be awesome.
[quote]Forget Cory. Can't risk everyone knowing he goes to the other side with men or woman
It's important that whoever is nominated in 2016 be someone who can hold on to the youth vote and convince young people to turn out. We need decent turnout among young voters to counterbalance the old crazies who will always vote Republican.
Obama was mocked in 2008 for focusing on the youth vote. And a lot of people predicted that young people wouldn't turn out in 2012 to vote for Obama again. But they did. Turnout among 18-29 year olds was just as strong if not stronger this year than it was in 2008. And if you can reach people when they're young and convince them to become Democrats, they're likely to stay Democrats.
This is what worries me about nominating someone old like Hillary or Joe Biden in 2016. Can they appeal to young voters? Can they continue the momentum and the GOTV efforts that Obama has started?
R25: Agree about the Hillary-Schweitzer combo -- plus he's got a Joe Biden vibe to him.
Cuomo is too ethnic for the flyover states.
I think Hillary certainly can attract young voters. I also think that Obama would campaign hard for her if she gets the nom and if she wants him to--he surely owes the Clintons for Bill's important work in the campaign this year.
I hope that there's not a too divisive primary season. If the party can build on the gains made since 2008, there's hope to hold the White House for a long time.
The Constitution makes it pretty much impossible to have a president and vice-president who are legal residents of the same state (Cheney got around that by "moving" to Wyoming, but neither Tester nor Schweitzer has that kind of option).
J o P
how about that"Rent is too damn high" guy?
I'm wondering if Booker will go for Lautenberg's Senate seat...the Senator's getting pretty old and has had cancer. The Dems will want someone VERY strong in there, and that might be Booker's next move. I think Christie will be hard to take down, even though he's screwed lots of folks in NJ.
Gillibrand is definitely positioning herself for something national...but Cuomo's also a New Yorker, and as pointed out, you can't have two people from the same state on the ticket.
Frankly, I don't feel like Governors ARE the best choices for Prez (and that includes Bill), because they have a lot of catch-up to do on foreign relations. (And I guess that's why when there's a governor at the top of the ticket, the VP is almost always a Senator or Rep).
r28, "to the other side" means sex with white folk.
I really don't think Hillary is too old (assuming she's in normal health, but that's the case for anyone). Let's not base her viability on antiquated notions regarding when people's lives are supposed to become sitting by a window and as to what older people are capable of.
The only issue with Hillary, clearly, is if she actually wants to run.,
Well, I think we can scratch Cuomo's name off the list now.
Hillary would attract a HUGE amount of support among young women. This recent election has mobilized women like never before with all the talk about abortion, rape and contraception. They're empowered and ready to elect one of their own. Just look at the excitement over Elizabeth Warren's candidacy. Electing the first woman POTUS has the same excitement potential as electing our first Black POTUS.
Hillary will not be too old in 2016. Her mother lived well into her 90s, so she has good genes. And for those of you who think an older candidate can't attract young people, just look at Ron Paul. His supporters are mostly in their 20s.
Barack and Michelle will campaign tirelessly for Hillary to turn out the Black vote. Blacks already adore the Clintons. Hillary could afford to lose some of the Black vote because she would attract many more White voters than Obama. Working-class whites love the Clintons.
I was the one who first suggested Julian Castro as a running mate. With him on the ticket, and Obama's likely passage of immigration reform in his second term, Dems will attract a huge number of Hispanics. Brian Schweitzer is my second choice as running mate.
Depending on her competition, Hillary has a chance to win Georgia, Arizona, Arkansas. That would be a game changer.
[quote]This recent election has mobilized women like never before with all the talk about abortion, rape and contraception. They're empowered and ready to elect one of their own.
I totally agree, R38. If the teabaggers and right-wingers like Akin et al. accomplished nothing else, they scared the holy shit out of women. Moderate and liberal women might or might not choose to have an abortion, but it isn't a right they want to have taken away from them or other women. We all know women who needed to have an abortion whether or not they wanted to.
What was even scarier was when women realized these dunderheads also want to deny women access to contraception. In their zeal to keep unmarried women from having sex, they got women thinking about the possibility of a major loss of freedom.
The result is that they got women to head to the polls to vote against them.
Chelsea is going to have a baby and all Hillary wants to do is stay home, make goo-goo noises at her grandchild and blow raspberries into his/her belly.
She's earned it.
How about Barbara Boxer as a VP in 2016?
R41, LOL. She would be 76.
Are we going for the oldest tickets ever?
Whoever the nominee is, I sure hope they use Axelrod/Plouffe/Messina/Cutter to run their campaign. Best campaign team in the history of politics.
If Hillary runs, she needs to use an entirely different team than she used in 2008. They were awful and incapable of running a modern campaign.
Hillary says no now because she's exhausted. She needs to step down as Secretary of State, take a break, get bored, watch Republicans swarm and see where things stand in 2014 after the midterm elections.
Depending on who starts to "emerge" from the Republican pack, we'll see. See if the party is still tearing itself apart and as hapless as it was this year. Let her smell blood.
She can do one term if she feels tired. All those "minorities" and young people that turned out for Obama will support her. Women will support her in droves. Obama will not forget all she did for him, or all the bad feeling, and he will stump for her like crazy. Michelle will. It will be huge.
If she wants to be the first woman President of the most frighteningly powerful country in the world, right now it's hers for the taking.
Gillibrand has a lot more appeal than Cuomo. I heard him talk on the radio this week and his accent is way too strong.
I would LOVE to see a Hilary Clinton / Joe Biden ticket, but--like some of you--think they just might be too old in 2016.
So, that being said, I think a Sherrod Brown / Tammy Baldwin ticket in 2016 would be awesome!
If Hillary doesn't run, and I think she will run, our nominee will be either Brian Schweitzer or Kirsten Gillibrand.
Amy Klobuchar is also interested in running in 2016. She just won re-election by a huge margin and she's very popular with Democrats and Republicans. However, she's not the most charismatic person in the world. I think the first woman POTUS has to be charismatic to overcome any anti-woman bias.
On Jennifer Granholm's show yesterday, they said that Deval Patrick will probably run for John Kerry's Senate seat if he's appointed SOS. They said he might also be interested in Attorney General if Holder steps down.
For pure entertainment value -
Hilary/Cuomo vs. Ryan/[Rand] Paul.
I would love to see Hilary debate Ryan and Cuomo debate Paul.
Many of those you suggested are unfamiliar to those outside of their home states. They need to start building a larger national following now, in preparation for any future plans. How about going the talk show route, or appearing on SNL teasingly dissing the Repubs, or starting an online humorous blog on politics? Even nationally promoting one particular issue of concern to younger voters would make a difference.
I like Tim Kaine.
65 IS THE NEW 50
Cuomo fucked up big time with the gas crisis. His name is mud in NY right now. Too much of a liability at this point given that NY is a big democratic state.
Gillibrand is more of a possibility, and a very interesting one. Especially if Hillary doesn't run. She is one of the best politicians we have out there right now. And if Hills and Barack throw their support behind her, I can't fathom why she wouldn't win.
I was a complete Obama supporter in 2008. But I truly hope Hillary Clinton, whom I now respect much more as a world leader than I ever did as a senator or candidate, runs. She should be our first female president. It will be her one and only future chance to become president. She would be a great president.
And she would clearly win!
If Hillary runs again, I want her to step up her campaign a bit from last time.
She did a good job showing off her experience, her intelligence and her gravitas, but she was too stiff.
She needs to be more loose and natural. She can be as charming as Bill, she should show it.
She neeeds to show off this side of her more.
Gillibrand does, but she is personable and brilliant, she can work on the gravitas.
I hope we see Dennis Kucinich in the primaries again.
Is Howard Dean out of the question if Hillary doesn't run?
It will likely NOT be Gov. Cuomo since he once made the statement he had no intention of taxing NY millionaires another single penny.
Also, with his conflicts with Unions, he looks more and more like your typical corporate DLC centrist Democrat. Just what this country does not need.
And what kind of job is he doing managing the storm Sandy's cleanup?
Amy Klobuchar-All the Way! She is universally respected by both sides of the aisle and is not polarizing like Hillary.
Krazy for Klobuchar!
[quote]I would love to see Hilary debate Ryan and Cuomo debate Paul.
Put that on pay per view, and I'd pony up for it.
If Hillary ran, she'd be the best prepared candidate ever, having lived in the white house, served in the senate, ran for the presidency once before, and she already knows just about every head of state in the world.
Who could possibly be better qualified?
"Amy Klobuchar-All the Way! She is universally respected by both sides of the aisle and is not polarizing like Hillary"
I like her, but I'm not sure if she has the charisma
[quote]I want Martin O'Malley in me quite deeply for the next four years.
Back off, bitch. He's MY state's governor, and he's MINE!
That said, I think for sure that he will be running in 2016. I knew when he ran for governor of Maryland years ago that he probably had his sights set on the presidency. And when the nation gets a load of these guns...
Brian Scweitzer / Castro - Brian has the midwestern appeal and can help sell progressive ideals into that region - Castro healthy balance of youth and hispanic vote. Both would allow the Dem move further into demos & regions that are not automatic gets
Hillary / Castro if she wishes to run again
Would LOVE for the Dems to be the first to deliver the first woman pres and hispanic after having the 1st African American
Republicans have no chance of beating that ticket!
Hillary would have to move, though. She's a NY State resident, and so is the Gov (duh).
R75, I can see the republican code words now. Do you want two *New York Liberals* running your country and telling you that you can't have big gulps and smoke in public?
[quote]Do you want two *New York Liberals* running your country and telling you that you can't have big gulps and smoke in public?
I thought that's Bloomberg, not the liberals.
If Hillary doesn't run (and I don't think she will):
GIllibrand/O'Malley - Takes the same states as Obama
Gillibrand/Castro - Puts a few more states into play, but a weaker ticket
I think the Republican nominee will be Paul Ryan.
The Republicans seriously bring up Jeb Bush as a candidate.
Castro will have to become a Representative, Senator or Governor first. Mayors don't run for President. He was introduced to America at the DNC for a possible Presidential run in 2020.
If he ran in 2014, we'd lose without a doubt.
Why did Wesley Clarke's candidacies never go anywhere?
[quote]I hope we see Dennis Kucinich in the primaries again.
No. I think he's great about most things, but he is a right wing Polish Catholic when it comes to women's issues. Too bad, but he's regressive.
I don't believe warren has ambitions to be POTUS or VP. The senate will be rather stifling to her in the sense that she has to play the game to achieve things. She can do more good on the banking committee 6 years than diverting time campaigning for a 4 year term full of other responsibilities. Age also is a factor
What about Clinton/Dean?
Hillary will be headed to the Supreme Court, I think.
Beau Biden, he's just perfect.
My state's governor, Martin O'Malley. He's already out kissing babies and hugging kids and shit.
O'Malley's smart but inadvertently sticks his foot in his mouth too often. At a Hurricane Sandy press conference he made the statement "people will die from this Hurricane" and the press tore him apart on that question. If he wants to run for President he's going to have to work on that.
R87, re Dennis Kucinich: "but he is a right wing Polish Catholic when it comes to women's issues."
Who told you that? He's got a 100% rating from NARAL. I think I'll take their assessment of him over yours.
It's Hillary's if she wants it. As a former New York senator, she'll have to choose her running mate from somewhere other than the Northeast.
For the Republicans, I don't know. They'll all run. The ones they consider their "A Team" are going to have to get through their primaries. If they don't learn any lessons from this election then they'll keep going hard to the right and losing.
We need someone who looks like Palin with the brain of Hillary.
I bet Marianne Williamson will run for
She's just lauched the Sister Giant movement, to
get the spiritual and enlightened crowd to add
their voices to politics.
She wants love to be the bottom line, not
It's got to be Hillary!
r97 what was 'wrong' with the 'people will die' statement? National Weather Service in NJ said the same thing in their bulletin:
1. IF YOU ARE BEING ASKED TO EVACUATE A COASTAL LOCATION BY STATE AND LOCAL OFFICIALS, PLEASE DO SO.
2. IF YOU ARE RELUCTANT TO EVACUATE, AND YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO RODE OUT THE '62 STORM ON THE BARRIER ISLANDS, ASK THEM IF THEY COULD DO IT AGAIN.
3. IF YOU ARE RELUCTANT, THINK ABOUT YOUR LOVED ONES, THINK ABOUT THE EMERGENCY RESPONDERS WHO WILL BE UNABLE TO REACH YOU WHEN YOU MAKE THE PANICKED PHONE CALL TO BE RESCUED, THINK ABOUT THE RESCUE/RECOVERY TEAMS WHO WILL RESCUE YOU IF YOU ARE INJURED OR RECOVER YOUR REMAINS IF YOU DO NOT SURVIVE.
The Republicans are in such disarray I'd like to see a variety of candidates and tickets from the Dem side.
I really like the idea of a Dean/Warren ticket but neither want the Presidency I would imagine.
I would rather see Hillary on the Supreme Court.
R103 I don't think anything was "wrong" with what he said. He was absolutely truthful. However, it probably wasn't the right way to say what he meant to say, and he certainly shouldn't have said it in front of a gaggle of reporters, who basically focused on tearing apart his statement. Plus, some sick-minded person could later point to a death and say "the governor caused to happen because he said it would." So, it wasn't the best thing to say politically...