There will never, EVER be another Republican president.
With all the minorities, immigrants streaming in, women, more middle class and lower middle class voting.
That's it. Repubs are done.
From your lips to Go's ears.
Yeah from your lips to God's ears.
It's true. There's no way it will happen. Middle, lower middle and lower class Latinos and AA's propagate at a much higher rate.
More women now who care about issues, more middle class who feel a need to speak.
Republicans are done, done, done!
Lindsay Graham was right when he intimated that the GOP is running out of angry white men. You can't win national elections if your spiritual guides are the fundamentalists of Alabama and Mississippi.
[quote]With all the minorities, immigrants streaming in,
Yes, wonderful, lets kill all the whities.
Looking at the Obama rally in Chicago, that IS America. Romney's rally is a sea of white folks. It's depressing.
The Republicans can't rely on the white vote anymore. They're not the majority anymore.
PBS says that Rmoney is currently ahead in the popular vote. I would NOT count out the repukes just yet. They will be fired up from this incredibly close election.
Oh goody, it won't be long before we're socialists like Greece.
unless the republican candidate is a minority!
[quote]Looking at the Obama rally in Chicago, that IS America. Romney's rally is a sea of white folks. It's depressing.
The racism on the left is amazing.
Never hoped anyone was right as much as I hope you are, op.
The DL freepers are pissed off. Keep it up. Thanks R11, this is the best entertainment I've had in months.
Listen to the comments from the freepers. It's the internet equivalent of
"I'm melting! Melting! Melting...."
yes, R13, racism is rely funny isn't it?
R11, how could we ever, ever match the racism on the right? You can now kiss Michelle Obama's ass, which has been commented upon by the wingnuts whose assess you have kissed.
Republicans will have a huge internal war over the future of the party.
Ha ha, I love the freeper having a big ol' cry in this thread.
You seem awfully confident, OP. Plenty of middle class voters are disappointed in Obama. Mitt Romney is a waffler who alienated a lot of conservatives. Look out for the GOP in 2016, they have four more years to regroup and rebuild.
The Repugs need to rebrand themselves as a fiscally conservative, centrist party, ie dump the Bible Thumpers & Crazies & step away from social issues.
You are correct, R20, but the Dems need to similarly dump the left-wing crazies and racism.
[quote]Look out for the GOP in 2016, they have four more years to regroup and rebuild.
[quote]similarly dump the left-wing crazies and racism.
They will have to abandon the abortion/rape/"deport the brownies" talk.
If they do they can collect more Latino votes.
[quote]They will have to abandon the abortion/rape/"deport the brownies" talk.
That's asking a lot of the party of hate. And white Southerners.
[quote]The Repugs need to rebrand themselves as a fiscally conservative, centrist party, ie dump the Bible Thumpers & Crazies & step away from social issues.
Do you have any idea how much money they get from the Billy Graham bigots? Millions if not billions. Hard for greedy pigs to walk away from that kind of tax free cash.
What we need to do is infiltrate Republican sites and keep telling people the reason Romney didn't win was because he wasn't conservative enough! They just might end up believing it!
From your lips to the Go-Go's ears.
We are witnessing the end of the Reagan era for the Republican party.
To start winning elections again, they will have to:
1) Let go of "trickle-down" economic policies
2) Let go of divisive social issues that attracted their evangelical/fundamentalist base
It may take several election cycles, but they won't be able to win a presidential election again until they have a strong leader who can fit these criteria.
They will also win in the event Democrats get too much power and screw things up. These things always happen like the swing of a pendulum.
[quote]Do you have any idea how much money they get from the Billy Graham bigots?
Yes, but those votes are spoken for. The GOP will come back a much stronger party. This will be the loss that makes them committed to reaching out to black and latino voters: because the minority has now bred itself into a majority.
I think it will happen because eventually Republicans will offer a more moderate version of the Republican party. They will have no other choice.
It's already been talked about that if Romney lost, the Tea Party would have to be "dealt with."
Plenty of moderate, or simply less than far-right Repugs who know what's up and are sick of being beholden to the far-right will look to create a more viable alternative for the national Republican party. It's just good business. But, they're in for an ugly period of intra-party squabbling.
They also have to:
1) Stop running women's lives
2) Stop demonizing gay folks
3) Stop insulting black folks
4) Stop insulting brown folks
5) Figure out how to stop old folks from dying.
That oughta do it!
Republicans are on the wrong side of history.
As someone who lived through Watergate and thought the Republican Party was dead, I'd suggest you not put money on that proposition.
On CNN tonight, the talking heads discussed what the Republican Party was facing. The term "civil war" came up. They're going to have to face up to the electorate being more moderate than they thought. American women, even Republican women, are not going to vote in candidates who want to outlaw some forms of contraception and/or make idiotic comments about rape. The extreme positions on immigrants, taxes, gay rights and women's rights hurt the Republicans. How quickly they can face up to that will determine how quickly they can find winning candidates. Remember, they didn't just lose the president. They truly fucked up their bid to control the Senate.
R34 is spot on. There probably will be another Republican president but only after the aforementioned "civil war" and reformation of the Republican Party as we know it.
Excuse me, but Romney only made money at Bain through carving out income tax loopholes. This is a freak who will never admit defeat.
Every polling result will be challenged
Provisional votes will be surveyed
That's so funny, OP. On the Poll Troll's thread tonight there was a link to some crazy freeper site. They were actually saying shit like that.
The sky is definitely falling over in Freeperville tonight.
I lived through Watergate too, r34, and there is this major difference - to fix that, they had only to renounce a few people, Nixon and his cronies. To fix this, they have to renounce millions of people that they currently consider to be their voting base. A handful of criminals is much easier to shed than a large number of dedicated believers.
It doesn't even matter. Both parties are bought and sold by the same corporations. We've been off a fiscal cliff for years. It's just one big football game that will be easier to win and not so nail-biting.
It will be fun for all of us to be the same average mediocre semi-productive relaxed well fed citizens that will survive and reproduce more of our lucky average selves.
[quote] They're going to have to face up to the electorate being more moderate than they thought.
Whenever the GOP loses, the pundits say, "The GOP will have to move to the center." But it never happens. It certainly didn't happen after the 2008 election, even though it was pretty clear that someone like Sarah Palin did more harm than good to the GOP brand. It won't happen this time either. I expect the crazies to become even crazier and demand that the GOP nominate a "true conservative" in 2016.
[quote] I expect the crazies to become even crazier and demand that the GOP nominate a "true conservative" in 2016.
The fiscal conservatives started slinking away from the Republican party when the ankles to jesus crowd started to push their weight around and Romney and many other Republicans surrounded themselves with dangerous kooks.
It became a stampede to the exits when Romney (who believes god lives on the planet Kolob and the garden of Eden was in Missouri) gave the usual snake handlers a real run for who was the looniest.
One former Republican bag man of my acquaintance said that was the last straw - you might as well elect a Scientologist.
He voted a straight Democratic slate feeling that the republican choices offered were "too dimwitted" to be elected to any position of trust.
I also think that Republicans will continue to get increasingly conservative and freakishly crazy. That party is lost to reasonable folks. Someone needs to start a viable third party.
You are correct, the comments on the Republican forums are calling for an even more right, more conservative candidate for 2016, like they really think this will draw more numbers to them. They've lost all sense of reality. Crazies.
"The Repugs need to rebrand themselves as a fiscally conservative, centrist party"
R20 - We already have such a party. It's called the Democratic party.
For the Freeper in this thread. Could you do me a favor?
I think the Repubs have done the same math as the OP, and that's why they've put so much effort into buying and corrupting the media. Faux new, AM radio, Murdoch empire, it all exists to convince ordinay people that the 1% are their benevolent masters.
The Dems/left have nothing to counter that kind of evil genius, of course.
We need two sane, competing parties for a healthy democracy. The Republican party needs to be smashed to smithereens so a new one can take its place.
WEHT Paul Ryan?
Can you imagine this batshit crazy bunch of thugs ever giving up their hatred of freedom and prosperity for anyone but straight, white men up?
There's a reason minorities voted overwhelmingly for Obama. Republicans are the party of hate.
Demographics are against the angry white men and the white women who support them. The Republican party is done outside the South and Midwest. And it's getting weaker in the Midwest.
A truly charismatic leader could've cleaned up with this economy, just on the basis of being a good businessman alone. But this was doomed from the start.
May I also say: remember when Molly Ivans famously said next time to listen to her when she said "No more Presidents from Texas"? Well, can we also add "No more Candidates from Massachusetts"? For the Right and the Left, they are disaster. Dukakis, Kerry, this one... they never feel human somehow, they never get specific about how they will fix problems, they always look creepy and in some other superior world. And they ALWAYS lose. Don't even come close.
Unless it's a ghost of JFK... no more. Gay or not, my nightmare is BARNEY FRANK: THE SEQUEL.
Perhaps it's time that they realize that their pathetic epidermis alone will not make them richer or healthier.
Only color that matters is green, and most of them have almost none - and that's not Obama's fault. They were failures before he was president and they'll be failures long after he's gone... and that's why Obama is trying to help them now.
My friend on Facebook posted something celebrating the win for Obama and some asshole wrote back "sad day for Americans, sad day for America!" and I so wanted to write "which Americans? Which America? Your white, racist, classist, homophobic, upper class America? Because from where I sit, people are celebrating, that's my America."
But I didn't. There's a lot of flame bait out there right now and I'm not going to rise to it. Let them sit in their dirty diapers and cry.
Just write back: Sad day for Americans who think a party comes before America itself.
As long as the Republicans are dedicated to running on a far right social platform, no, there will never be another Republican president.
There is nothing wrong with the white vote. The white vote is the only racial demographic in this country that votes anywhere close to 50-50%. The white vote is the most elastic and diverse politically. It is the non-white vote which is stacked in one party and IN OPPOSITION to the white vote. You won't hear that from any commentator because it would be like talking to a brick wall. It's just easier to shame white people so they do that.
While people voting for Obama because he was white (and let's be honest, a LOT of them did, whether they admit it or not) SHOULD be ashamed.
Hell, anyone voting for Romney ... a pathological liar, a bully, a craven flip-flopper, an out-of-touch elitist, a cowardly draft-dodger and tax-dodger ... should be ashamed of themselves.
"Yes, wonderful, lets kill all the whities."
Huh? WTF?! Not all immigrants are 'yellow", 'brown' or 'black', you illiterate piece of shit.
There are a TON of white immigrants moving to the US. LOTS of Europeans and Russians and well every group of white immigrants you can think of!
Get REAL, you moron!
WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD FREEPER!
I actually turned on Fox news after Ohio went to Obama, and Shepard Smith was actually grilling one of the repubs, basically saying they're going to need to reach out to more than rich old white men...I think Ed Gillespie was the repub advisor...and he actually agreed.
And then there's the Tea Party. Hopefully they'll run a 3rd party candidate next time which will further guarantee a Democratic win.
R58, you expect a racist to comprehend they're racist?
Meant that for R59,
The moderate Republicans have the keys to the kingdom but the teabaggers hate them. If the Republicans go even harder to the right, they will crash and burn.
[quote] We are witnessing the end of the Reagan era for the Republican party.
[quote] To start winning elections again, they will have to "Let go of divisive social issues that attracted their evangelical/fundamentalist base"
That's the real solution. Dump the fundies.
Fundies were always an odd addition to the Republican fold, and now they're proving to be a liability to Republicans.
Politics is all about coalitions, and Republicans have pulled in big business with fundie evangelicals, with is a totally UNHOLY alliance. It's like oil and water.
Republicans can make a resurgence if they stick to traditional conservative issues, like fiscal conservatism. On social issues, they simply need to evolve.
So many Republicans support gays and gay marriage, but the fundies won't let them. If they dump the fundies and stick to fiscal conservatism and moderate on social issues, they could possibly have a chance. They need to keep up with the times.
I really don't care if we never have another GOPig President, but I'm just a strategic thinker, and this is how they could stand a chance in American politics. But really, who cares?
its true the non whites will be the majority eventually and I can't see them voting repub. good riddance
I disagree. If they dump the fundies, they will be losing a huge voting block. The popular vote was so close as it is. Without them they wouldn't have a chance.
Taking a moderate approach would be suicide because the number of undecideds and moderate dems they could possibly win back wouldn't make up for the HUGE number of racists, homophobes, anti-choice woman haters, border patrolers, NRA freaks, bible thumpers and People of Walmart they would lose.
They've gotten into bed with these lowlifes and now they're married and can't get a divorce.
Never underestimate the Republicans. There was a similar sentiment when Clinton was first elected. Look what happened.
We need to work on a strong candidate for 2016. I know Hillary has been mentioned, and hopefully she will run. But she has said that she is not going to.
The democrats need to keep their base as strong as possible and not get lazy.
I think Mitt Romney was warned many times not to select Paul Ryan as his running mate, because he's just another Sarah Palin.
Why are conservatives always so bitter in defeat? It's like they don't understand that in a democracy there are options that include them not winning. They're always so down and filled with doom - they can never get behind the will of the people when that will goes against their own.
I remember in 1992 when Clinton first won. I was working the breakfast shift in a 5 star hotel at the time and the executive management all came in and for hours that morning sat around a big table and just MOANED and made their displeasure with the situation (a situation that, in the long run, worked out pretty well for them) as if nobody else existed. A couple of us servers waited on them all morning and they never once considered that maybe we were pleased by the outcome. It never crossed their minds that maybe they were being rude.
You look around the internet this morning and it's the same thing: conservatives preaching gloom and doom. They're right, we're wrong, etc.
What I don't understand is that given the monumental nature of their concerns about EVERYTHING that has gone wrong with this country under the leadership of a BLACK MAN - I don't see how they thought Mitt Romney, with his fucked up, half baked, non-sensical policies was going to be the solution to everything they consider a problem. In their description of everything that is now going to go ABSOLUTELY WRONG, I don't see how Mitt Romney was going to put anything right.
I also think they would've been in a much better place - like something bordering on reality - if they'd just once ACKNOWLEDGED the challenge that President Obama faced going into office. It just beggars belief that these people apparently want us to believe that John McCain would've somehow fared better than Obama. His own party didn't even like him enough to elect him.
And their reflection on the situation? They need to only support TRUE CONSERVATIVES! They need to get more CONSERVATIVE, more isolationist, reject the new America, protect the "traditional" (i.e., WHITE) America for themselves, etc. Now how many people do they think are going to get on board with that? And I don't see mouthpieces like Marco Rubio - brown, yes, and desperate for power - becoming huge stars. I saw him on Meet The Press a few weeks ago and all he did was regurgitate the same inappropriate talking point for every issue. He's not very clever.
The GOP lost last night but more significantly they are a lost party now. People like Limbaugh and Rove have created their own monsters - they'll never pull these people towards the center and with their dwindling numbers, their extreme tea party candidates will only continue to ruin their chances. They keep going on about how they still have the House but the House has the lowest job approval rating in the government and I think people are going to be paying much closer attention to what they're up to and the interests they're supporting. The GOP is on its way to becoming a fringe party. And it's their own fault. They invited the evangelicals into the party in 1980, encouraged them to get political and now just 30 years later their party belongs to a bunch of unelectable extremists.
I mean, my freeper brother stood in line for 90 minutes and then waited for an hour or so standing down front the other day...for Paul Ryan. That's some real loser fringe behaviour. I was going to ask him if he got a boner but I didn't want to be cruel. (Of course he did.)
And listening to Fox last nite, the real leaders in the party, they kept saying things like the election loss was not a reflection of our core values, Romeny made tactical errors in his campaign, and when they referenced brining in the hispanics it was said w/outright disgust.
That's the point, R45 - to succeed, the Repugs need to Single White Female the Dems & steal their identity!
As much as I would like to think that the Republican party is dead, I have to think back to Nixon and Watergate when people said the same thing.
However, this cancerous rot, this disgusting festering decubitus called the Republican Party is less the Nixon Vampire rising from the dead and more of a seething, feeding, mindless Zombie.
We. Shall. See.
The party may well change to something completely different. As it has done before. Remember this was the party of Abraham Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt just as the Democrats were the party of segregationist Southerners.
The point is not that we may never have another Republican president.
The point is that hopefully we will never have another president who has very much in common with today's Republicans.
I don't remember thinking the Republican party was dead in 1974. Nixon and his White House were tarnished but a lot of Republicans were disgusted by Watergate and I think Ford may have won in 76 had he not pardoned Nixon.
I don't know that they are dead yet, but I don't know how they get back to being viable. They should drop the evangelicals and focus on economic issues. However, they are so much a part of the party now, I don't know how it happens.
They don't need to court the evangelicals because the evangelicals have no one else to vote for. They need to rebrand as a single issue party - the economy - and state that all social issues are state responsibility, end of story.
R74 and r75 are right: the Republicans must stop kowtowing to the evangelicals. Some freaks might vote for a minute third party, but must of them will be stuck voting for Republicans, because they surely won't vote Democratic. The Republicans successfully used abortion as a wedge issue for many years, but this year they finally went too far. They ran major candidates holding extreme positions on abortion, and look what happened.
And someone really should have told Limbaugh to shut the fuck up when he went after what's her name. They really didn't seem to understand that they could lose Republican women voters by pushing anti-contraception messages.
Watergate was not about ideology. It was about corruption.
But you knew that.
Umm... as someone who lived through Watergate I have to disagree, R70.
Yes, it was about corruption in part. There were ideological issues as well. When you look at the larger picture, the underlying/overarching issues of the Vietnam War, the sexual revolution, civil rights, women's rights and etc., clearly there was more to the Watergate matter than a botched burglary by the corrupt Committee to Re-elect the President and the Nixon administration.
In politics, as in life, it is rarely just one thing that creates or drives a situation.
I think it will be very hard for the Republicans to move to the center. Not only have they gone extremely, crazily right, but they forced the democrats right, too, and the democrats now hold the moderate positions on social issues and business that Republicans USED to hold. That's why someone like Colin Powell supports Obama, not because he's black, but because their views are so similar. If the Republicans went center, what difference would there be between the parties? Despite their talk, there aren't really any liberals left in major politics. Anyone who was truly liberal couldn't get elected anymore, except in liberal bastions mostly on the coasts.
If they stop believing all the things that they do now they will just be Democrats anyway.
R79, what is it about legalizing same sex marriage and legalizing weed that is moderate ?
OP, if Obama's next 4 years turn out to be a bust (and I pray they don't), then you'll see another GOP president, no matter who the Democrats' candidate is. It'll be like Carter paving the way for Reagan.
Barring that, at best the GOP will work harder to play at it's "wolf in sheep's clothing" game where they play down social issues while winking at the evanglicals.
Now, this hasn't always worked in the past, but the GOP will continue trying to have it both ways. Depending on the mood of the country, they could get away with it - think of the number of people who willfully ignored Romney's constant changing of positions on issues.
Yes, there are some in the GOP who would love to dump the Tea Party and so-called "Christian" right-wingers. While I would love to have those jackasses sidelined to a third party, I'll bet the conventional thinking is that those are way too many votes to lose.
OP, the pendulum always swings back and forth between republican and democratic presidents.
And the pendulum swings between democratic and republican congress and U.S. senate too.
And Romney almost won. If he had won just another state or two, he would have won.
Obama only won because whoever wins the popular vote in each individual state wins all the electoral votes for that state since winner takes all electoral votes in each state.
The Republicans will adapt to the new Demographics somehow. They'll drop hardcore racists to pick up conservative Latinos.
A natural pendulum swings back and forth between a democratic president and a republican president being elected.
Of course, a republican president will be elected in the future.
Just as a natural pendulum swung between the Democratic-Republicans and the Federalists, and the Democrats and the Whigs?
I was thinking about all of the hatred and bigotry we've been exposed to in this election, and then it occurred to me -- someday we will have a presidential election in which NONE of the candidates on the ballot will be straight, white, protestant men.
When that occurs, we will have come a long way toward true EQUALITY. And I look forward to it.
R88, that idea was presented in the media today, so quit acting as if you originated this idea.
You're quite the liar trying to behave as if you orginated the idea.
R89, I didn't have time to check any media today, but if it makes you feel better to be a name-caller, good for you. I was just intrigued by the idea and wanted to share it.
None of the candidates in this election were straight, white, protestant men.
Not true; I remember after Kerry lost to Bush everyone talked about dems being in the "wilderness" because they nominated a bland candidate that could beat a president that presided over Abu Ghraib and a disastrous war - and four years later we had BO who wasn't really on most people's radar at that time (except for the hardcore political junkie types).
I think if they could actually listen to the more moderate voices of their party like Jeb Bush, they could turn things around. So long as the roll out clowns like Rick Santorum, however, they are doomed.
If Jebbie is to help out, you need to speak to me first. I call the shots.
The country will be a far far far better place!!!!!!!
you fucking spics are all getting deported by a black president, Obama. The next president will deport the majority of spics in an attempt to round up all illegals. NO amnesty will be given to you wetbacks. The black population is dying as they no longer go with the same race. Black women are slowly dying off because of their hatred of their male counterparts. The next president will be a republican, you can bet your fucking money on it.
No, there will be, a good bet is half Hispanic George P Bush, Jeb's son, who has a Mexican mother, and is running for Texas Land Commissioner this year. The pendulum always swings eventually, and after a potential 16 years of Obama/Hillary, the longest one party has been in the Oval Office since FDR/Truman, even longer than Reagan/Bush, voters may give him a chance
they will have another one probably in a few years when people are tired of the democracts. it always happens. it's great how in america you guys can only have one or the other. land of democracy by sweet ten inch cock.
Brown people are merely taking back what is rightfully theirs. Whites are the ones who are here illegally.
It's only true if those people voted but they don't. There's enough people in this country that should be voting for every Democrat and where there would never be another Republican elected to national office but people just don't vote. I am 57 and since I first started voting at 18, have never missed an election.
Before yall get too excited, who do you think is going to pay for all the freebies and giveaways.
Plenty of Dems think they are entitled to free everything.
Plenty of Dems vote Dem and like Obama but worry about who is paying the bills.
Dems who make $100K and under and who work hard can't pay for everything for those who choose not to work.
I thought it was Karl Rove who said America was running out of old white men.
Oops I meant he said the Republicans were running out of them -- but I imagine he believes it's America who needs them. I say good riddance.
R101: raise taxes on people making over $200K, like Obama's been saying all these years. And anyway, the deficit is going DOWN, mostly due to Obamacare which is reducing healthcare costs. Or would if the Repubs would quit nixing the cost control measures.
They have already won. They don't need to win. The democrats are the new republicans. It's the left, the progressives who have lost.
Now, carry on.
[quote]Before yall get too excited, who do you think is going to pay for all the freebies and giveaways.
What freebies and giveaways?
LOL. You are clueless.
and R107, you surely are on the dole or are a bleeding heart stuck in the 70s liberal hippie.
It's Republican neo-cons who've wasted literally trillions of dollars invading countries, only to create even more terrorists with their intrusive dangerous actions. Why do Republicans love to spend money killing people but they hate spending money to help poor people in any way whatsoever, whether it's education, job training, Head Start, food stamps, etc. Vicious people.
I hate to break it to you guys, but what really determines whether one is a democrat/liberal or republican/conservative is the year you were born and age.
Well, the NYT's article got me dead wrong. So there goes that theory!
Hate to break it to you R110, but that source where they get that information is Republican propaganda. Read the fine print of the source:
"The Great Society, Reagan's Revolution and Generations of Presidential Voting,"
If that thing were even slightly accurate, Clinton and Obama would never have one the elections.
LOL! Yeah, really, R111.
One theory is that there is intelligent life on the planet earth. Going by you, there goes that theory, too!
R105 is correct.
The right doesn't need another Republican president, they've already replaced the Left with Republican pod people, like Obama and Hillary Clinton.
R113 Suck my dick Repug. Just because I outed your fake source is no reason to go on the attach.
Lets dig the hole a little deeper shall we. If you bother to read the sources info, they claim they cross referenced several polls. Guess which polls they sampled? Gallup.
The same Gallup that told FAUX News that Romney was going to win the last election. The same pollster that leans heavily Republican and is most frequently wrong with their predictions.
You can read all about Gallup's "what went wrong" excuse from 2012.
Agree... R105 is exactly right. The Dems have moved far to the right and they are right up the asses of Wall Street and the big corporations. The Republicans are redundant now.
What do immigrants have to do with it? You do know you have to be a citizen to vote right? You also know Presidents are not elected by popular vote right? Republicans have quietly restructured voting districts, created laws so it is harder for minorities to vote, and all but ensured they will win landslide victories in the coming elections.
R115, thank you for that information. I wasn't aware of those things.
But I stand by the absurdity of your sentiment that if an article does not represent you, then it is false.
Just because someone doesn't agree with you does not make them a Repug. I have been a life-long democrat, occasionally voting for a Republican if I believed they were the better choice.
I think the article is sound, however. I think our decisions are largely formed by our era and age (I would hope for the latter).
Yes, agree R116, but that was only because they wanted to win elections. Bill Clinton wanted to be seen as a centrist. But he had to go so far to the right he fell in the pool.
I think the good news is now people can see how bad the Republican ideology is. And now that the Democrats have enough voters, we can start to push back to the left and progressive side of things.
Obama is certainly not far left, but keep in mind, being for gay marriage is still not mentioned on any Republican presidential candidates lips or even their conventions.
Democrats and Republicans are not the same. Don't throw the hunky trick out with the condom.
R118, you just did the same thing you accused me of doing. I pointed out errors and flaws with the data, and you say,
"I think the article is sound, however. I think our decisions are largely formed by our era and age"
What facts do you need to see to not think that? As tried to say, just because you think one way dose not make it true for everyone else.
To be fair to OP, he started this thread in 2012 before we knew what a mess Obama would make of things. It seems likely now that a Repub will be president in 2016. We should focus on the Congress.
Sorry Charlie, ALL indications show that 2016 will be a Democrat. Congress may go Republican because of tricks they have played redistricting so they have more representatives in their favor.
There isn't even a viable Republican candidate yet that could get any of the democratic vote.
R122 has missing brain cells.
It probably will be a conservative Democrat, who's somewhat 'liberal' on some social issues. The point is that the Dems have become the old Republican Party. I sometimes wonder if that's the set up...the Repukes go far out to the right on certain social issues, so the Dems can still look 'liberal' by comparison. In the end we have a militaristic President who's presided over huge cuts in Food Stamps, passed the Heritage Foundation's privatized health care plan, and is currently trying to bring back the Cold War.
I expect Jeb to be the next President. Like Dubya, I don't expect him to win the vote, but he'll be the next POTUS. They know how to steal an election and when it comes to Democrats doing anything, they all follow Nancy's "Impeachment is off the table" routine.
I can't wait until we're run like every other third world country. White Americans built the greatest country ever known to man and you queens are cheering now that third world coloreds are breeding out of control. You think that makes it better for gays?
R125 is a racist fuckhead who seems oblivious that it's the [italic]Republicans[/italic] that are turning this country into a 3rd world banana republic...
You may think that the Democrats are currently too conservative but whom would you rather have appointing justices to the Supreme Court.
Aside from Japan show me a non-white, street, town, city, county, state, country, and whole continent that isn't a third world shithole.
Elizabeth Warren would be a good choice if she wanted to run. Very straight shooter and way more left then Hillery.
SHE would actually have the balls to put liberal judges on the supreme court.
I think Clinton and Obama have done well with their appointments.
Hillary will do the same.
Oh, and much as I love Elizabeth Warren, she has no experience. Obama had the same problem the first few years. And now, things are just out of control, though it's not his fault.
I with Hillary.
Experience? What president ever has experience? Look at Ronald Reagan, he had plenty of experience and look what a mess he left behind. Literally asleep on the job half the time and taking advice from Nance's Astrologer.
"Only Paul Ryan can make single-payer happen."
"We oppose same-sex marriage, but the country does not, and we represent the country."
And poof! go the Dems
Elizabeth Warren is an awesome person, but we need her in the Senate. She has little to no foreign policy experience or connections... which Hillary has in spades.
And then there's the issue of electability. Hillary has it. Warren is an unknown, and might actually lose to a Republican.
Hillary Cilnton was caught on tape laughing about how she got a child rapist acquitted.
[quote]Look at Ronald Reagan
You just made my point. He was a fucking disaster.
Paul Ryan? Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha. 10,000 dollar bet he will never become president. Not even close, not even in the final top 3 running.
He is a wackadoodle and everyone knows it except for his 1% followers.
Historically, the most experience person dose NOT usually win the presidential election.
Fun fact: Republicans have lost the popular vote in five of the last six Presidential Elections.
And even in that one, there are significant issues about shenanigans and vote-counting manipulation that might actually mean they didn't even win the popular vote (as recorded) in THAT one.
The OP is right.
There won't be a Republican President again in a long time.
The problem for the freepers is that their base of voters and their base of volunteer (GOTV etc.) workers are far-right and/or religious lunatics. They have vilified and purged the moderate Republicans.
They're between a rock and a hard place. If they modify their stance in any direction other than further to the right, their base will bail. If they don't modify their stance and move to the center, the moderates and independents will stay with the Democratic Party.
They have nowhere to go.
This sort of arrogant just fucks the Democrats every time. Celebrating mass immigration as a "good thing."
You are an expert of nothing. Shut the fuck up.
The real blame for increased healthcare costs is the deliberate delaying of stemcell treatments that would cure many ailments which are currently draining our budgets. We already have cures or near-cures for blindness, heart disease, and a host of other conditions.
They claim it's religious opposition, but I think it's Big Pharma using that as a cover. they're starving these companies, and the FDA is dragging their feet.
The Republicans will simply triangulate the way Clinton did, abandoning their base and its "issues" with a move just far enough to the left that they become electable.
Gay marriage and single-payer are the two isues that can win 2016 for them. Single-payer is actually much more fair to the middle-class than Obamacare with its subsidies. It's also cheaper to administer since the government winds up responsi9ble for everything that happens to a given patient, something not the case now.
I don't like seeing members of either party celebrating when "their" side scores points. We're ll supposed to be on the same side, i.e., the country's.
The Republicans will never go for single payer - NEVER. My god, they think Obamacare is something Karl Marx and Satan invented to destroy America. Single-payer is the commie apocalypse to these idiots.
They're also not going to be able to move their base on marriage equality. Never. Gay marriage is the pervert apocalypse to these idiots.
Immigration and the racism of the right will continue to cost them votes with the ever-increasing-and-more-important Latino constituency. Lord knows Black Americans would have to be brain dead to vote Republican, they will remain with the Democrats.
The hard and stupid line Republicans take on abortion, birth control, health care and education will continue to cost them votes with women, who make up the majority of voters in America. They can't connect with young voters, other than a small bunch of cynical, selfish assholes. The more they threaten Social Security and Medicare, the fewer seniors will vote for them and those that will are dying off.
They're going to take the White House in 2016? We could run the Wile E. Coyote/Elmer Fudd ticket and still beat them.
[quote] PBS says that Rmoney is currently ahead in the popular vote.
Lol. Um, no.
R128--why, you haven't received a reply yet. Isn't that funny? You'd think there'd be dozens of countries mentioned! Evidently nobody can think of even one.
Personally, I'm emigrating in three years.
NYT reported just yesterday that the odds of the Republicans taking back both houses of Congress in November, increased to 60%.
Blame Obama's actions on stuff like supporting & encouraging the most recent immigrant invasion, Obamacare's SCOTUS setback & general bad press, Bergdahl, the VA & IRS scandals, his perceived lack of strength in foreign policy, attending almost 400 fundraisers since his re-election, etc...
And it's not even August.
Be ready...the Rs are going to go very negative on Obama in the upcoming election, and tie any & every D to all those issue above.
Case in point: Mary Landrieu of Louisiana was conveniently unavailable to make an appearance with Obama in her state, just a few days ago.
Ds are already seeing being linked to Obama as being toxic to their election campaigns.
It is what it is.
Obama has been a savior to the USA. If we were being led by republicans we'd be further in debt, and still wallowing in recession *and* putting war on the credit card! killing people needlessly.
Gracie) But George, if we have a child, we have to teach him to be brave and smart and kind and to grow up to be a Democrat.
George) Democrat? Why a Democrat?
Gracie) I want our son to be president.
Girl) Tell me a story Aunt Gracie
Gracie) Once upon a time a long time ago
Girl) How long ago
Gracie) Oh a long, long time ago, even before Roosevelt was president
George) Well today's election day
Gracie) What's that?
George) Gracie, what happens of the first Tuesday of November every four years for as long as you can remember.
Gracie) Roosevelt's elected
George) I can't rehearse today, I'm doing my income tax.
Gracie) What's that
George) It's the money we pay to run the government. Like the army, the navy, Congress, the president...
Gracie) George do the Republicans have to pay President Truman's salary
George) Of course
Gracie) That's really rubbing it in, isn't it?
With the right-wingers primary-ing every moderate Republican, they'll end up making any Republican unelectable for a nationwide office. So they'll just go for getting the House and trying to prevent Democratic Presidents from doing anything. They did it with Clinton. They do it with Obama.
In the immortal words of a (white) Southern Baptist preacher in Austin, Texas: "if the Congress can't work with the President to solve the immigration issue with the kids crossing the border, then I say we keep the kids and deport the Congress".
George) Well Gracie today's election day
Gracie) What's that?
George) It's the day we all go to the polls and vote for a new president.
Gracie) Ah, ha...yeah right.
George) I can't wait for Thanksgiving, I hope you save me a drumstick.
Gracie) Can't do that George, this year all the turkeys have is white meat.
George) How come?
Gracie) If someone moved Thanksgiving up on you, you'd turn all white too.
George) Well Gracie,it's our first show of the new season. How's it feel to be back. Soon it'll be autumn, then it'll be Halloween, then Thanksgiving....
Gracie) ...Then it'll be Thanksgiving again.
We have a Republican in the White House now. Stop kidding yourselves.
R150, Obama stopped the wars??? You must be a parody post.
r159= Nader voter.
You're right, r160.
Please, r159, educate yourself. If we had a republican the last eight years, we would be further in debt, more veterans, more deaths, more war, more human rights violations. Obama May be a moderate in many areas, but a republican, far from it.
Oh and yes, he has pulled troops from hopeless, republican led Haliburton enriching wars.
The immigration issue is becoming a huge thing for many Americans. A lot of Democrats are pissed too.
Immigration or illegal border crossing?
r159 is an absolute idiot.
if yall kill all the whites, who's going to feed you monkees.
You all keep making my point: there is no Democratic Party. It's the not-Republican Party, "not-R", and it will continue to win. The strategy is unbeatable.
Green Party could emerge strong in the next few decades.
Well, Harper's magazine urges readers to stop Hillary.
If not Hillary, then we truly have nobody.
She has got to run and she has got to find a way to win.
R166, is it mandatory that you people be both racist and illiterate? Because it always seems to be the case that they go hand-in-hand.
Repugs are the root of all evil in the US, the less they have power the better.
No, we need another recession, a stock market crash
If we were to declare war on Mexico and all the Central American countries that would mean that every illegal immigrant from those countries could be treated as an enemy spy in a time of war, and shot.  Every native born American who tried to stop it could be tried for treason for aiding the enemy in a time of war, tried, and then shot. 
I think this would change the voter rolls enough to guarantee Republican supremacy for several decades and all it would take is for the Republican party to officially become fascist, instead of merely covertly fascist....
 And that would be wrong.
Let's just vote out as many republicans as we can. They need to be sent a strong message; get your shit together.
So we can look forward to endless Clinton retreads in each administration? Will Sue Rice and Bill Richardson be in cabinet positions -- again?
If Maddow gets secretary of state or some other strong position, and I have to listen to her smug voice every other day, I'm leaving the country.
No loss, r177, r176 et al... the less of your narrow minded type, the better.
The whole political system in this country is being dragged down by the Republican garbage…we have to stop this.
I would like to know the median age of the Kos Kids and DU'ers who post here...I am hoping that they are very young, and that there is hope for them to change...but let me tell you something: if you're 30, or even 40, and still screaming "rethug" at anyone who disagrees with you...you need heavy meds.
you sound like you know a lot about heavy meds, r180.
Don't know if this point's been made, yet, but THE fastest growing demographic is, & will continue to be, old people. And if that group continues to be increasingly conservative I don't think the republicans will continue to be shut out of the presidency.
What the fuck have you been smoking, R177.
Maddow would never be appointed to any of those positions!!
The 60+ crowd are former hippies, most of them won't vote repug
R182, that's what they thought when the 18-year old got the vote in time for the '72 election. Nixon, though, won the under 21 vote decisively.
That was 40+ years ago R185, and the culture has changed, thanks in part to cynicism toward the political process. As noted above, the most reliable voters are older ones. And while they may be "aging hippies," it's documented that people tend to become more conservative as they age.
Combine that with the voter apathy shown by younger people and you have numbers favoring conservative candidates.
Maybe it will take several cycles of having their rights taken away from them for them to realize what progressive and liberal office-holders accomplished.
I still don't think Hillary can complete the deal.
[quote] And now, things are just out of control...
Describe just how peace and relative prosperity and 40 months of job gains is "pout of control"?
The South and interior West have the fastest growing population, and tend to be very conservative.
[quote] That was 40+ years ago [R185], and the culture has changed, thanks in part to cynicism toward the political process. As noted above, the most reliable voters are older ones. And while they may be "aging hippies," it's documented that people tend to become more conservative as they age.
We're in agreement, then, about my larger point that a growing older demographic does not bode well for the Dems.
Never! We're trucking illegals into the US so fast...never even see a white male again. Males of caucasian persuasion are overwhelmingly Rethugs...like 3-1. We need to keep scaring white women and minorities...keep our lock. Remember, Harry was down by double digits in Nevada, but then all the illegals came in 5000 buses simultaneously from the Service Unions...and we killed! We overwhelmed ID checking and boom. We win again. Dumb Rethugs! Holder quashed the complaints...racism...we win!
R191 is a fucking delusional moron
I know a plethora about politics ok. I am "in the loop" as it were. I have contacts throughout the country and I have political operatives who check in with me. There will be another GOP President at some point. They will adjust their policies to get votes. Political parties change -- Democrats used to be party of slavery, for example.
I'll keep updating you with the view of my operatives who are working the hustings throughout the land.
Yes, there will be and quite soon.
Some people have to work to pay the bills.
Not everyone can sit around on their Iphones with their hands held out expecting freebies and entitlements.
I voted early and voted ALL Republican for he first time ever, except for two creepy people running.
I am tired of paying for everything for everyone else, and I am smart enough to know Republicans don't like giveaways. I may not think the R. party is right but I need to save some of my own money for me.
[quote]Some people have to work to pay the bills.
And those people have no business voting Republican. Because Republicans don't give a shit about people who actually WORK for a living. Nope. They only care about the top 1%, who have bought the lock, stock, and barrel.
Democrats are the ONLY people trying to help those who actually WORK for a living.
You're a fucking moron, R194. Brainwashed with FOX News lies and RWNJ propaganda. And parroting it back like a mindless tool.
Wake the fuck up.
FACT: Republicans have lost the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 Presidential Elections.
Conservatives/Republicans are in the minority. They only took the House due to gerrymandering. Democrats in Congress got over a million more votes than Republicans.
The GOP hates facts like this though.
Doesn't make them any less true.
Sad, He was are just two years later, and it now looks like we will have a Republican president come 2016.
R194 is either stupid or was presenting a joke post: "I am smart enough to know Republicans don't like giveaways."
WHAT I FIND MOST REPUGNENT, IS THE SHEAR IGNORENCE OF MINORITIES.THEY TO ARE JUST AS AMERICAN.IF ONLY THEY COULD OPEN THEIR EYES AND SEE PAST THE DISMAL FUTURE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS IN STORE.THEY ARE BEING USED FOR AS LITTLE AS THE CHECKS THEY GET EACH MONTH.THAT IN ITSELF IS A FAIRLY CHEAP WAY TO SOCIALIZE THIS PLACE WE ALL CALL AMERICA.WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO WHEN THEY HAVE BROKEN CORPORATE AMERICA.WHEN THE INTITTLEMENTS BECOME GREATER THAN THOSE THAT HAVE ANY INCINTIVE AT ALL TO PRODUCE.SAD.AND THEY THINK I AM THE PROBLEM.IT'S QUITE THE PARADYME.
R199 = moronic racist all-caps idiot.
Wow, that's a dose of illiterate dementia, r199!
Thanks for providing insight to the republican mind.
Only if that were true. But unfortunately there will always be ignorant, uninformed, racist, sexist, masoginistic, selfish, hypocrits in the United States, in fact almost 50% of the poulace.
I'm convinced that the Koch Brothers have gone underground and are trying to influence politics starting at the grassroots level through organizations like the "Kansas Leadership Center." I've been horrified to see how--in the space of one year--a university in Kansas (shall remain nameless) has completely become a puppet and conduit for everything the KLC is "teaching" about leadership. This university is basing its new strategic plan and mission and vision statements completely off of KLC-speak. The commencement speaker was Ed O'Malley, CEO of the KLC. The university received a million dollar grant to target gifted students, with the central theme being to "infuse the curriculum" with leadership teachings from the KLC.
I feel pretty certain the KLC is a front for the Koch brothers, but have no idea how to prove it. I just can't believe how this is happening without anyone questioning it. I'm so sick of hearing about the KLC's philosophies on "adaptive leadership" and "leadership for the common good," because I already know that whatever they're spouting is not genuine and is attached to an agenda. I think this is a sinister pattern that is starting in Kansas and could spread a lot further before anyone catches on... I've never been one for conspiracy theories, but I'm witnessing this weirdness firsthand and I know how evil the players are.
Looks like the Dems are loosing control of the Senate for sure. Na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye!
Social conservatism still wins Republicans elections in much of the nation. We are witnessing the power of cultural backlash, and it is huge.
Actually, the polls show quite the opposite, r205. What is huge is your delusion. Regressive minds are what holds back humanity from achieving humane harmony.
[quote]Social conservatism still wins Republicans elections in much of the nation.
This along makes me weep for humanity. Basically "social conservatism" is "racist white male privilege with no restrictions". It's disgusting and awful.
Never mind that all the politicians spewing their ignorant "social conservative" policies routinely break them all. They get divorced and remarried endlessly, they cheat on their spouses, they get hush-hush abortions for their wives, mistresses, and daughters, while hanging out and blowing guys in men's bathrooms.
It's systemic, habitual hypocrisy.
The "social conservatives" are also constantly and consistently on the wrong side of history. They ALWAYS lose. They fought against giving women the vote. They lost. They fought against allowing interracial marriage. They lost. They fought against same-sex marriage. They're losing badly. They fought against integration. They lost. They fought to preserve slavery. They lost.
They ALWAYS LOSE.
R204, why on earth would you think that's a good thing? Why would that make you happy? What do you think you'll gain?
OP must be incredibly embarrassed that this thread is still alive. So much has changed in just 2 years!
There will never ever ever be...whoops there it is!
I agree R209...I'm actually pretty embarrassed for the OP.
I believe in giving criminals a second chance but seriously Florida, the governor's mansion is a bit much.
No republican will be president, ever. The scrutiny will never pass nationally.
KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) — State capitols across the country will be more Republican than at any point since the Roaring '20s when victorious legislators and governors take office next year. That could result in lower taxes and perhaps fewer dollars flowing to social safety net programs.
There will never, EVER be another Democratic congress.
[quote] There will never, EVER be another Democratic congress.
It seems to me I've heard that song before
From OP: "With all the minorities, immigrants streaming in, women, more middle class and lower middle class voting.
That's it. Repubs are done."
Two years later, and you have been proven epically wrong.
Now we really see who the GOP is, they are cruel to want to take Healthcare from millions of people.
No republican will be president, ever. The scrutiny will never pass nationally.
Republicans hate that n*gger Obama.” — “Anthony,” C-SPAN caller from San Diego.
This is who voted Tuesday... The reasonable people stayed at home.
"Oh my God. I'm back. I'm home. All the time, it was... We finally really did it ... You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!"
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