There will never, EVER be another Republican president.
With all the minorities, immigrants streaming in, women, more middle class and lower middle class voting.
That's it. Repubs are done.
From your lips to Go's ears.
Yeah from your lips to God's ears.
It's true. There's no way it will happen. Middle, lower middle and lower class Latinos and AA's propagate at a much higher rate.
More women now who care about issues, more middle class who feel a need to speak.
Republicans are done, done, done!
Lindsay Graham was right when he intimated that the GOP is running out of angry white men. You can't win national elections if your spiritual guides are the fundamentalists of Alabama and Mississippi.
[quote]With all the minorities, immigrants streaming in,
Yes, wonderful, lets kill all the whities.
Looking at the Obama rally in Chicago, that IS America. Romney's rally is a sea of white folks. It's depressing.
The Republicans can't rely on the white vote anymore. They're not the majority anymore.
PBS says that Rmoney is currently ahead in the popular vote. I would NOT count out the repukes just yet. They will be fired up from this incredibly close election.
Oh goody, it won't be long before we're socialists like Greece.
unless the republican candidate is a minority!
[quote]Looking at the Obama rally in Chicago, that IS America. Romney's rally is a sea of white folks. It's depressing.
The racism on the left is amazing.
Never hoped anyone was right as much as I hope you are, op.
The DL freepers are pissed off. Keep it up. Thanks R11, this is the best entertainment I've had in months.
Listen to the comments from the freepers. It's the internet equivalent of
"I'm melting! Melting! Melting...."
yes, R13, racism is rely funny isn't it?
R11, how could we ever, ever match the racism on the right? You can now kiss Michelle Obama's ass, which has been commented upon by the wingnuts whose assess you have kissed.
Republicans will have a huge internal war over the future of the party.
Ha ha, I love the freeper having a big ol' cry in this thread.
You seem awfully confident, OP. Plenty of middle class voters are disappointed in Obama. Mitt Romney is a waffler who alienated a lot of conservatives. Look out for the GOP in 2016, they have four more years to regroup and rebuild.
The Repugs need to rebrand themselves as a fiscally conservative, centrist party, ie dump the Bible Thumpers & Crazies & step away from social issues.
You are correct, R20, but the Dems need to similarly dump the left-wing crazies and racism.
[quote]Look out for the GOP in 2016, they have four more years to regroup and rebuild.
[quote]similarly dump the left-wing crazies and racism.
They will have to abandon the abortion/rape/"deport the brownies" talk.
If they do they can collect more Latino votes.
[quote]They will have to abandon the abortion/rape/"deport the brownies" talk.
That's asking a lot of the party of hate. And white Southerners.
[quote]The Repugs need to rebrand themselves as a fiscally conservative, centrist party, ie dump the Bible Thumpers & Crazies & step away from social issues.
Do you have any idea how much money they get from the Billy Graham bigots? Millions if not billions. Hard for greedy pigs to walk away from that kind of tax free cash.
What we need to do is infiltrate Republican sites and keep telling people the reason Romney didn't win was because he wasn't conservative enough! They just might end up believing it!
From your lips to the Go-Go's ears.
We are witnessing the end of the Reagan era for the Republican party.
To start winning elections again, they will have to:
1) Let go of "trickle-down" economic policies
2) Let go of divisive social issues that attracted their evangelical/fundamentalist base
It may take several election cycles, but they won't be able to win a presidential election again until they have a strong leader who can fit these criteria.
They will also win in the event Democrats get too much power and screw things up. These things always happen like the swing of a pendulum.
[quote]Do you have any idea how much money they get from the Billy Graham bigots?
Yes, but those votes are spoken for. The GOP will come back a much stronger party. This will be the loss that makes them committed to reaching out to black and latino voters: because the minority has now bred itself into a majority.
I think it will happen because eventually Republicans will offer a more moderate version of the Republican party. They will have no other choice.
It's already been talked about that if Romney lost, the Tea Party would have to be "dealt with."
Plenty of moderate, or simply less than far-right Repugs who know what's up and are sick of being beholden to the far-right will look to create a more viable alternative for the national Republican party. It's just good business. But, they're in for an ugly period of intra-party squabbling.
They also have to:
1) Stop running women's lives
2) Stop demonizing gay folks
3) Stop insulting black folks
4) Stop insulting brown folks
5) Figure out how to stop old folks from dying.
That oughta do it!
Republicans are on the wrong side of history.
As someone who lived through Watergate and thought the Republican Party was dead, I'd suggest you not put money on that proposition.
On CNN tonight, the talking heads discussed what the Republican Party was facing. The term "civil war" came up. They're going to have to face up to the electorate being more moderate than they thought. American women, even Republican women, are not going to vote in candidates who want to outlaw some forms of contraception and/or make idiotic comments about rape. The extreme positions on immigrants, taxes, gay rights and women's rights hurt the Republicans. How quickly they can face up to that will determine how quickly they can find winning candidates. Remember, they didn't just lose the president. They truly fucked up their bid to control the Senate.
R34 is spot on. There probably will be another Republican president but only after the aforementioned "civil war" and reformation of the Republican Party as we know it.
Excuse me, but Romney only made money at Bain through carving out income tax loopholes. This is a freak who will never admit defeat.
Every polling result will be challenged
Provisional votes will be surveyed
That's so funny, OP. On the Poll Troll's thread tonight there was a link to some crazy freeper site. They were actually saying shit like that.
The sky is definitely falling over in Freeperville tonight.
I lived through Watergate too, r34, and there is this major difference - to fix that, they had only to renounce a few people, Nixon and his cronies. To fix this, they have to renounce millions of people that they currently consider to be their voting base. A handful of criminals is much easier to shed than a large number of dedicated believers.
It doesn't even matter. Both parties are bought and sold by the same corporations. We've been off a fiscal cliff for years. It's just one big football game that will be easier to win and not so nail-biting.
It will be fun for all of us to be the same average mediocre semi-productive relaxed well fed citizens that will survive and reproduce more of our lucky average selves.
[quote] They're going to have to face up to the electorate being more moderate than they thought.
Whenever the GOP loses, the pundits say, "The GOP will have to move to the center." But it never happens. It certainly didn't happen after the 2008 election, even though it was pretty clear that someone like Sarah Palin did more harm than good to the GOP brand. It won't happen this time either. I expect the crazies to become even crazier and demand that the GOP nominate a "true conservative" in 2016.
[quote] I expect the crazies to become even crazier and demand that the GOP nominate a "true conservative" in 2016.
The fiscal conservatives started slinking away from the Republican party when the ankles to jesus crowd started to push their weight around and Romney and many other Republicans surrounded themselves with dangerous kooks.
It became a stampede to the exits when Romney (who believes god lives on the planet Kolob and the garden of Eden was in Missouri) gave the usual snake handlers a real run for who was the looniest.
One former Republican bag man of my acquaintance said that was the last straw - you might as well elect a Scientologist.
He voted a straight Democratic slate feeling that the republican choices offered were "too dimwitted" to be elected to any position of trust.
I also think that Republicans will continue to get increasingly conservative and freakishly crazy. That party is lost to reasonable folks. Someone needs to start a viable third party.
You are correct, the comments on the Republican forums are calling for an even more right, more conservative candidate for 2016, like they really think this will draw more numbers to them. They've lost all sense of reality. Crazies.
"The Repugs need to rebrand themselves as a fiscally conservative, centrist party"
R20 - We already have such a party. It's called the Democratic party.
For the Freeper in this thread. Could you do me a favor?
I think the Repubs have done the same math as the OP, and that's why they've put so much effort into buying and corrupting the media. Faux new, AM radio, Murdoch empire, it all exists to convince ordinay people that the 1% are their benevolent masters.
The Dems/left have nothing to counter that kind of evil genius, of course.
We need two sane, competing parties for a healthy democracy. The Republican party needs to be smashed to smithereens so a new one can take its place.
WEHT Paul Ryan?
Can you imagine this batshit crazy bunch of thugs ever giving up their hatred of freedom and prosperity for anyone but straight, white men up?
There's a reason minorities voted overwhelmingly for Obama. Republicans are the party of hate.
Demographics are against the angry white men and the white women who support them. The Republican party is done outside the South and Midwest. And it's getting weaker in the Midwest.
A truly charismatic leader could've cleaned up with this economy, just on the basis of being a good businessman alone. But this was doomed from the start.
May I also say: remember when Molly Ivans famously said next time to listen to her when she said "No more Presidents from Texas"? Well, can we also add "No more Candidates from Massachusetts"? For the Right and the Left, they are disaster. Dukakis, Kerry, this one... they never feel human somehow, they never get specific about how they will fix problems, they always look creepy and in some other superior world. And they ALWAYS lose. Don't even come close.
Unless it's a ghost of JFK... no more. Gay or not, my nightmare is BARNEY FRANK: THE SEQUEL.
Perhaps it's time that they realize that their pathetic epidermis alone will not make them richer or healthier.
Only color that matters is green, and most of them have almost none - and that's not Obama's fault. They were failures before he was president and they'll be failures long after he's gone... and that's why Obama is trying to help them now.
My friend on Facebook posted something celebrating the win for Obama and some asshole wrote back "sad day for Americans, sad day for America!" and I so wanted to write "which Americans? Which America? Your white, racist, classist, homophobic, upper class America? Because from where I sit, people are celebrating, that's my America."
But I didn't. There's a lot of flame bait out there right now and I'm not going to rise to it. Let them sit in their dirty diapers and cry.
Just write back: Sad day for Americans who think a party comes before America itself.
As long as the Republicans are dedicated to running on a far right social platform, no, there will never be another Republican president.
There is nothing wrong with the white vote. The white vote is the only racial demographic in this country that votes anywhere close to 50-50%. The white vote is the most elastic and diverse politically. It is the non-white vote which is stacked in one party and IN OPPOSITION to the white vote. You won't hear that from any commentator because it would be like talking to a brick wall. It's just easier to shame white people so they do that.
While people voting for Obama because he was white (and let's be honest, a LOT of them did, whether they admit it or not) SHOULD be ashamed.
Hell, anyone voting for Romney ... a pathological liar, a bully, a craven flip-flopper, an out-of-touch elitist, a cowardly draft-dodger and tax-dodger ... should be ashamed of themselves.
"Yes, wonderful, lets kill all the whities."
Huh? WTF?! Not all immigrants are 'yellow", 'brown' or 'black', you illiterate piece of shit.
There are a TON of white immigrants moving to the US. LOTS of Europeans and Russians and well every group of white immigrants you can think of!
Get REAL, you moron!
WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD FREEPER!
I actually turned on Fox news after Ohio went to Obama, and Shepard Smith was actually grilling one of the repubs, basically saying they're going to need to reach out to more than rich old white men...I think Ed Gillespie was the repub advisor...and he actually agreed.
And then there's the Tea Party. Hopefully they'll run a 3rd party candidate next time which will further guarantee a Democratic win.
R58, you expect a racist to comprehend they're racist?
Meant that for R59,
The moderate Republicans have the keys to the kingdom but the teabaggers hate them. If the Republicans go even harder to the right, they will crash and burn.
[quote] We are witnessing the end of the Reagan era for the Republican party.
[quote] To start winning elections again, they will have to "Let go of divisive social issues that attracted their evangelical/fundamentalist base"
That's the real solution. Dump the fundies.
Fundies were always an odd addition to the Republican fold, and now they're proving to be a liability to Republicans.
Politics is all about coalitions, and Republicans have pulled in big business with fundie evangelicals, with is a totally UNHOLY alliance. It's like oil and water.
Republicans can make a resurgence if they stick to traditional conservative issues, like fiscal conservatism. On social issues, they simply need to evolve.
So many Republicans support gays and gay marriage, but the fundies won't let them. If they dump the fundies and stick to fiscal conservatism and moderate on social issues, they could possibly have a chance. They need to keep up with the times.
I really don't care if we never have another GOPig President, but I'm just a strategic thinker, and this is how they could stand a chance in American politics. But really, who cares?
its true the non whites will be the majority eventually and I can't see them voting repub. good riddance
I disagree. If they dump the fundies, they will be losing a huge voting block. The popular vote was so close as it is. Without them they wouldn't have a chance.
Taking a moderate approach would be suicide because the number of undecideds and moderate dems they could possibly win back wouldn't make up for the HUGE number of racists, homophobes, anti-choice woman haters, border patrolers, NRA freaks, bible thumpers and People of Walmart they would lose.
They've gotten into bed with these lowlifes and now they're married and can't get a divorce.
Never underestimate the Republicans. There was a similar sentiment when Clinton was first elected. Look what happened.
We need to work on a strong candidate for 2016. I know Hillary has been mentioned, and hopefully she will run. But she has said that she is not going to.
The democrats need to keep their base as strong as possible and not get lazy.
I think Mitt Romney was warned many times not to select Paul Ryan as his running mate, because he's just another Sarah Palin.
Why are conservatives always so bitter in defeat? It's like they don't understand that in a democracy there are options that include them not winning. They're always so down and filled with doom - they can never get behind the will of the people when that will goes against their own.
I remember in 1992 when Clinton first won. I was working the breakfast shift in a 5 star hotel at the time and the executive management all came in and for hours that morning sat around a big table and just MOANED and made their displeasure with the situation (a situation that, in the long run, worked out pretty well for them) as if nobody else existed. A couple of us servers waited on them all morning and they never once considered that maybe we were pleased by the outcome. It never crossed their minds that maybe they were being rude.
You look around the internet this morning and it's the same thing: conservatives preaching gloom and doom. They're right, we're wrong, etc.
What I don't understand is that given the monumental nature of their concerns about EVERYTHING that has gone wrong with this country under the leadership of a BLACK MAN - I don't see how they thought Mitt Romney, with his fucked up, half baked, non-sensical policies was going to be the solution to everything they consider a problem. In their description of everything that is now going to go ABSOLUTELY WRONG, I don't see how Mitt Romney was going to put anything right.
I also think they would've been in a much better place - like something bordering on reality - if they'd just once ACKNOWLEDGED the challenge that President Obama faced going into office. It just beggars belief that these people apparently want us to believe that John McCain would've somehow fared better than Obama. His own party didn't even like him enough to elect him.
And their reflection on the situation? They need to only support TRUE CONSERVATIVES! They need to get more CONSERVATIVE, more isolationist, reject the new America, protect the "traditional" (i.e., WHITE) America for themselves, etc. Now how many people do they think are going to get on board with that? And I don't see mouthpieces like Marco Rubio - brown, yes, and desperate for power - becoming huge stars. I saw him on Meet The Press a few weeks ago and all he did was regurgitate the same inappropriate talking point for every issue. He's not very clever.
The GOP lost last night but more significantly they are a lost party now. People like Limbaugh and Rove have created their own monsters - they'll never pull these people towards the center and with their dwindling numbers, their extreme tea party candidates will only continue to ruin their chances. They keep going on about how they still have the House but the House has the lowest job approval rating in the government and I think people are going to be paying much closer attention to what they're up to and the interests they're supporting. The GOP is on its way to becoming a fringe party. And it's their own fault. They invited the evangelicals into the party in 1980, encouraged them to get political and now just 30 years later their party belongs to a bunch of unelectable extremists.
I mean, my freeper brother stood in line for 90 minutes and then waited for an hour or so standing down front the other day...for Paul Ryan. That's some real loser fringe behaviour. I was going to ask him if he got a boner but I didn't want to be cruel. (Of course he did.)
And listening to Fox last nite, the real leaders in the party, they kept saying things like the election loss was not a reflection of our core values, Romeny made tactical errors in his campaign, and when they referenced brining in the hispanics it was said w/outright disgust.
That's the point, R45 - to succeed, the Repugs need to Single White Female the Dems & steal their identity!
As much as I would like to think that the Republican party is dead, I have to think back to Nixon and Watergate when people said the same thing.
However, this cancerous rot, this disgusting festering decubitus called the Republican Party is less the Nixon Vampire rising from the dead and more of a seething, feeding, mindless Zombie.
We. Shall. See.
The party may well change to something completely different. As it has done before. Remember this was the party of Abraham Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt just as the Democrats were the party of segregationist Southerners.
The point is not that we may never have another Republican president.
The point is that hopefully we will never have another president who has very much in common with today's Republicans.
I don't remember thinking the Republican party was dead in 1974. Nixon and his White House were tarnished but a lot of Republicans were disgusted by Watergate and I think Ford may have won in 76 had he not pardoned Nixon.
I don't know that they are dead yet, but I don't know how they get back to being viable. They should drop the evangelicals and focus on economic issues. However, they are so much a part of the party now, I don't know how it happens.
They don't need to court the evangelicals because the evangelicals have no one else to vote for. They need to rebrand as a single issue party - the economy - and state that all social issues are state responsibility, end of story.
R74 and r75 are right: the Republicans must stop kowtowing to the evangelicals. Some freaks might vote for a minute third party, but must of them will be stuck voting for Republicans, because they surely won't vote Democratic. The Republicans successfully used abortion as a wedge issue for many years, but this year they finally went too far. They ran major candidates holding extreme positions on abortion, and look what happened.
And someone really should have told Limbaugh to shut the fuck up when he went after what's her name. They really didn't seem to understand that they could lose Republican women voters by pushing anti-contraception messages.
Watergate was not about ideology. It was about corruption.
But you knew that.
Umm... as someone who lived through Watergate I have to disagree, R70.
Yes, it was about corruption in part. There were ideological issues as well. When you look at the larger picture, the underlying/overarching issues of the Vietnam War, the sexual revolution, civil rights, women's rights and etc., clearly there was more to the Watergate matter than a botched burglary by the corrupt Committee to Re-elect the President and the Nixon administration.
In politics, as in life, it is rarely just one thing that creates or drives a situation.
I think it will be very hard for the Republicans to move to the center. Not only have they gone extremely, crazily right, but they forced the democrats right, too, and the democrats now hold the moderate positions on social issues and business that Republicans USED to hold. That's why someone like Colin Powell supports Obama, not because he's black, but because their views are so similar. If the Republicans went center, what difference would there be between the parties? Despite their talk, there aren't really any liberals left in major politics. Anyone who was truly liberal couldn't get elected anymore, except in liberal bastions mostly on the coasts.
If they stop believing all the things that they do now they will just be Democrats anyway.
R79, what is it about legalizing same sex marriage and legalizing weed that is moderate ?
OP, if Obama's next 4 years turn out to be a bust (and I pray they don't), then you'll see another GOP president, no matter who the Democrats' candidate is. It'll be like Carter paving the way for Reagan.
Barring that, at best the GOP will work harder to play at it's "wolf in sheep's clothing" game where they play down social issues while winking at the evanglicals.
Now, this hasn't always worked in the past, but the GOP will continue trying to have it both ways. Depending on the mood of the country, they could get away with it - think of the number of people who willfully ignored Romney's constant changing of positions on issues.
Yes, there are some in the GOP who would love to dump the Tea Party and so-called "Christian" right-wingers. While I would love to have those jackasses sidelined to a third party, I'll bet the conventional thinking is that those are way too many votes to lose.
OP, the pendulum always swings back and forth between republican and democratic presidents.
And the pendulum swings between democratic and republican congress and U.S. senate too.
And Romney almost won. If he had won just another state or two, he would have won.
Obama only won because whoever wins the popular vote in each individual state wins all the electoral votes for that state since winner takes all electoral votes in each state.
The Republicans will adapt to the new Demographics somehow. They'll drop hardcore racists to pick up conservative Latinos.
A natural pendulum swings back and forth between a democratic president and a republican president being elected.
Of course, a republican president will be elected in the future.
Just as a natural pendulum swung between the Democratic-Republicans and the Federalists, and the Democrats and the Whigs?
I was thinking about all of the hatred and bigotry we've been exposed to in this election, and then it occurred to me -- someday we will have a presidential election in which NONE of the candidates on the ballot will be straight, white, protestant men.
When that occurs, we will have come a long way toward true EQUALITY. And I look forward to it.
R88, that idea was presented in the media today, so quit acting as if you originated this idea.
You're quite the liar trying to behave as if you orginated the idea.
R89, I didn't have time to check any media today, but if it makes you feel better to be a name-caller, good for you. I was just intrigued by the idea and wanted to share it.
None of the candidates in this election were straight, white, protestant men.
Not true; I remember after Kerry lost to Bush everyone talked about dems being in the "wilderness" because they nominated a bland candidate that could beat a president that presided over Abu Ghraib and a disastrous war - and four years later we had BO who wasn't really on most people's radar at that time (except for the hardcore political junkie types).
I think if they could actually listen to the more moderate voices of their party like Jeb Bush, they could turn things around. So long as the roll out clowns like Rick Santorum, however, they are doomed.
If Jebbie is to help out, you need to speak to me first. I call the shots.
The country will be a far far far better place!!!!!!!