Fran Lebowitz "Cannot understand why Gays Want To Marry"
In her words Gay marriage is...
"a kind of unbelievable tedium. I still have the same car that I bought in 1978 because I’m not tired of it. A human being? Please. My idea of a long relationship is a three-day weekend. I don’t have that kind of ability to not be bored."
btw she also says some of her best friends are Republicans
She enjoys being controversial.
The article says that she doesn't think children are so special. The fact is that she prefers them to adults. She has told me this, and has written "better to be a mere child than a mere adult."
And despite her claims about "a three day weekend," she has had several long term relationships.
Granted, some of her best friends are Republicans. She has also spoken at a memorial to Jerome Robbins. He was a friend of hers, but she had no illusions about him.
Incidentally, Fran's incomprehension of gay people who want to marry is matched by her incomprehension of why straight people want to marry.
We here this all the time. Marriage is "boring", why would you want this?
It's so stupid. It's about having the choice, it's about having legal protections resulting from that choice. No one has to get married. We all know there are negatives as well as positives.
R10, learn to spell "hear."
r5 - that is great news. I don't always agree with her, but she is always brilliant. I will have to watch it in illegal places since we all know that HBO won't let any of their stuff get out.
I agree with Fran about cars.
However, "wanting" to marry and "having the right" to marry are two different things. But the fundamental issue is equality. And that's the fight.
Is she ... like ... relevant to anything?
She is right. Marriage is bullshit.
Just because she can't be monogamous and have love doesn't mean others can't.
Scorcese's documentary was too fawning to be truly good. Such cringe-worthy questions like "What's it like to be right about everything?" Come on. She rattled on about how people need to do work. If Scorcese wasn't so enamoured, he would have prided into why she has written anything in ages. But too many balls were dropped in order to make a cinematic equivalent of a monument.
She's too smart and clever to be reduced to that. It's like what Pauline Kael said about Streisand "You don't go easy on her. That's the last thing she wants or needs."
I find that when some people make this comment, there are a lot of people on DL that do not understand what is being said. And they get angry.
Frank Lebowitz should question why she never publicly came out. Is it because it might hurt her "lucrative" career?
Prided ball dropping and cinematic monument equivalency? I blame auto-correct. Can I do that? Prided?
Folks like Fran can think whatever they want, just as long as they aren't trying to take away the right to be married from LGBT's.
How does she make money?
She never said anyone of the sort, R23.
She may be right, everyone is entitled to their opinions, even the Chick-fil-A CEO. Isn't she the one who, while taking pictures of the Queen Elizabeth, casually mentioned taking some with the crown on and some off without understanding what the Crown meant? It seems if you deal with royalty in a public way you ought to understand all the ramifications involved, Americans included.
Fran was surprisingly sexy when young. She still looks great, considering her smoking habit.
Her novel, "Exterior Signs Of Wealth", was described as being like "Bonfire Of The Vanities", seemed to be near publication, then...nothing.
Great news about her HBO show.
You are thinking of Annie Leibowitz, r26.
Talking about being uninformed...
OP did you wander astray from ONTD?
Fran is a liberal through and through. Even though she does not understand or desire marriage, she still votes for everyone else to have it. She has said these things many times.
Find a new target.
Some people are just dense, R29. Incapable of sophisticated thought.
Be glad Fran Lebowitz doesn't post here, bitches.
She would own W&W and eat she would eat every last one of us alive.
OK, r28, so sue me for getting my Leibowitz/Lebowitz cunts mixed up...Jeeeso-cheeeso.........
Unlike me, who apparently cannot sentence construct sentence a.
r26 cracked me up. WRONG PERSON dumbass. LOL
[quote] It seems if you deal with royalty in a public way you ought to understand all the ramifications involved
Doesn't Lebowitz sell La-Z-Boy recliners?
Who cares what she thinks. I want to know where Rent-A-Center stands!
R26/R32 you're an idiot. Own it. But it does not entitle you to call these people cunts.
Just suck it r34 and r37, and it's Monsieur Dumas to you, you fuckin' CUNTS. BTW, I hear you are into diarrhea, I just had a sudden case of it after reading your posts--hurry over with your mouths open (and I'm sure that's not a challenge for you).
Fran herself, checking in at R38.
Personally, I appreciate anyone who doesn't know Annie Leibovitz.
BTW, thanks to R7 for posting the youtube link. This has been on my wishlist at Amazon for a while, but I'm poor.
Is she a "top"?
the one who snaps the pictures is a babe, the one who's still not writing is a dog.
Fran has a very hairy crack & hole
She has this awesome white checker cab that is like a tank. It's in the documentary. I found sort of pic at the NYT. It's gorgeous.
I like Fran and could listen to her talk all day. Unfortunately, I think she's gotten stale. I saw her at Town Hall in NYC recently, and almost everything she said was rehash of things I've heard her say before. Her gay marriage stuff was the same old stuff plus some tacked on stuff about not having to visit your sick or dying partner being a plus, not a minus. It was pretty lame, actually.
Also, her proud Luddite status is starting to catch up with her. It's not nearly as cute as she seems to think it is.
That said, I can't wait for her talk show. First I'm hearing of it.
I agree with ol' Frannie. How or why gay rights activists decided to start spending so much time, money, resources and energy on gay marriage, I'll never know? Maybe 5% of gay men I know, myself included, really give a fuck about it when there are so many other more important, pressing issues (gay youth, hate crime laws, etc.)
I truly believe the push for gay marriage is boring straight society's way of trying to trick and tame gay men.
Anyone know why Babs refuses to have Fran on The View?
AIDS did that, and cultural maturity, not gay marriage, r64.
They don't want anyone intelligent
Are u saying Joy Behar is not intelligent?
R66, I don't think HIV spiked such a vested interest in gay marriage. If anything, many HIV activists would argue that gay marriage steals away tons of $$funding, resources and energy that could be used for HIV education/prevention. I would argue that most gay men are no more interested in boring heterosexual-like relationships than before. Look at the boom in apps like GrindR, Scruff, Craigslist, etc.
It's all one big trick, I tell you.
Actually, Whoopi Goldberg strikes me as intelligent. And Barbara Walters herself has a certain animalistic intelligence -- hardly the erudition with which she credits herself, but an ability to create a career without charm or good looks. But the fat woman and the blonde airhead clearly lack any intelligence whatever. Are there others on the panel?
R70 that is why Fran's can't understand why she is repeatedly denied a chance to GUEST co-host. She thinks she would be perfect.
But Babs doesn't want her.
You seem to know more about the range and depth of gay promiscuity than I do. I bow to your superior investment in interest. I still think gay marriage is a shrewd and wise avenue to mainstream access to legal parity.
I too think marriage is silly- really outmoded or outdated. BUT- for those who want to get married it imparts legal rights- that regard children, estate planning and taxation etc. THAT is the reason for the absolute necessity for equal treatment. The question is less about whether you want to get married or not rather if you do- you get equal treatment.
Not everyone wants to borrow money. Some people never want to borrow money. Now imagine if there different laws for straight people who borrow money (they get lower interest rates for example than gays.)
That is what this issue is about. Equal treatment before the law.
Just goes to show that smart people can be stupid- Gore Vidal did it all the time. Some people get too carried away with themselves and their ideas and lose sight of the real interests of others. Such is the case here.
[quote]That is what this issue is about. Equal treatment before the law.
Then Gay marriage is a Big Fail -- if you have to be married to get certain rights, there is no equal justice. Gays could have been on the forefront of correcting the real problem, but instead, they never looked farther than the current system's benefits that many just want for themselves.
R74 makes an excellent point.
But if he wears a hat, no one will see it.
[quote]if you have to be married to get certain rights, there is no equal justice.
Um, the rights are SHARED rights between two people in a marriage. It's not like everyone who gets married receives a pony, while single people get nothing. It's the benefit of linking two unrelated people together as family, which straight people enjoy but gays are currently deprived of due to prejudice.
Sharing social security benefits, hospital visitation, and so on... These are not rights that are being deprived of single people in order to privilege and advantage a favored majority. There is no way a single person could exercise those rights so whining that you're not getting them is ludicrous.
Moreover, focusing on marriage has transformed gay people's position in our society for the better. It has benefitted all gay people.
Your "Me, Too! Me, too!" is just ridiculous. "I want the right to visit my sick um, um...well, I don't have a partner... If straight people can share social security benefits with their partners, I want um... umm.. Well, I feel I deserve SOMETHING, DAMMMITTT!!!
And if in the end, fighting for marriage equality isn't your thing, fine. There are thousands upon thousands of gay organizations working away at every aspect of our movement that could use your help. Don't let anyone stand in your way in becoming a leader of those parts of the movement you think most worthwhile.
[quote]Then Gay marriage is a Big Fail
Like the civil rights movement was a big fail because not all black people ride the bus or want to sit at the lunch counter at Woolworth's.
I thought this was about Fran Drescher. I always confuse them.
Anyone know her gay ex-husband? That deserves its own thread.
No- R74 makes no sense. Marriage is a legal contract between two people; traditionally two heterosexuals of the opposite sex. Once married they have legal rights that they did not have while they were a couple. Now when one dies the other inherits the deceased spouses estate without taxation. They can file joint income taxes and in most cases reduce their tax bite. They can adopt children as a couple. These are rights that come by virtue of a legal marriage. Gay men and women in most states cannot adopt as a couple. When your life long live in partner dies, you will pay the going rate on inheritance taxes assuming you have prepared a will- I could go on an on.
When you say "equal justice" (which is redundant by the way), you have to put it into a context. Marriage is such a context. R74 provides no context. Prejudice cannot be legilated away R74. But laws should not set up legalized prejudice. That is really the only way to chip away at prejudice: Get rid of legalized bigotry.
In 1964 it was pretty much impossible for a black person to get a mortgage in NYC. In 1968 denying people a mortgage based on the color of their skin was made illegal by a Federal Law (cannot recall the detailed law- sort of an addendum to the 1964 Civil Rights Act.)
[quote]Sharing social security benefits, hospital visitation, and so on... These are not rights that are being deprived of single people in order to privilege and advantage a favored majority. There is no way a single person could exercise those rights so whining that you're not getting them is ludicrous.
No -- you're ludicrous. Why should my SS benefits revolve around my personal life? They should be rewarded to individuals, regardless of who is sharing their house. If people pair up to share assets, that falls under business dealings, and they should incorporate, not marry.
[quote]In 1964 it was pretty much impossible for a black person to get a mortgage in NYC. In 1968 denying people a mortgage based on the color of their skin was made illegal by a Federal Law (cannot recall the detailed law- sort of an addendum to the 1964 Civil Rights Act.)
They were denied benefits because of who and what they were -- the same as single people and unmarried couples are denied benefits. Everyone should be free to decide who should visit them in the hospital, and who (as in the famous Philadelphia case) should be the one to inscribe their lost partner's tombstone, married or not.
R72, and I bow to your condescending sense of moral superiority, simply because you or people like you have some vested interest in mimicking straight people.
Meanwhile, I will choose to concern myself more with things that I think actually matter, such as gay youth suicide prevention, and continue to donate my $$ to LGBT youth-related programs.
Why am I supposed to give a fuck what this woman thinks about anything??
The only difference between her and Paglia is that Paglia's an out lesbian and better-looking.
Oh -- and Lebowitz is a Jew.
OK, Fran, but why should the question be any different addressed to gay people than when addressed to straight people?
It's a question that all couples should have the right to make.
End of story.
[quote]Oh -- and Lebowitz is a Jew.
Oh -- and why does this matter to you?
[quote] Lebowitz, who is a lesbian, supports the idea of gay marriage, but cannot understand why [italic]anyone[/italic] would want to get hitched
- from the article, please reference r85 and r84
Italics are mine
R86? It's a difference between her and Paglia, you ninny.
I wonder if she's ever eaten any pussy? I bet she would STILL be holding a lit cigarette while she was doing it and even taking puff breaks in between while she had her tongue in some snatch.
[quote]"a kind of unbelievable tedium. I still have the same car that I bought in 1978 because I’m not tired of it. A human being? Please. My idea of a long relationship is a three-day weekend. I don’t have that kind of ability to not be bored."
lol. love it and completely agree.
I'm shocked that anyone pays attention to her. She wrote 2 wry essay books at the end of the 70 while working with Warhol. It's almost certain she's a trustafarian as her parents owned a furniture store, and trustfund kids were the only people Warhol hung with (except trannies/porn stars).
She's just Paris Hilton for a different crowd.
[quote]They should be rewarded to individuals
OMG, r81. social security benefits ARE awarded to individuals. They're not denied to single people.
They can only be SHARED by married couples. Again. it's not as if married people get an extra pony from social security. Straight couples are getting an unfair privilege by being able to share their benefits through marriage, which gay people cannot do.
Really, I'm trying not to be bitchy or condescending but your comment really is pretty dense.
[quote] human being? Please. My idea of a long relationship is a three-day weekend. I don’t have that kind of ability to not be bored.
What kills me about this particularly pathetic sort of narcissism is that it's routinely given a pass as some mark of sophistication. Instead of a complete failure to engage fully with other human beings that verges on autism.
Gay widowed partners don't get social security benefits the way married widows do.
More from r91 who seems more interesting than Fran, please!
[quote]Fran Lebowitz has repeatedly asked her 'people' to approach The View about guest co-hosting from time to time at the table.
[quote]Barbara Walters has repeatedly refused.
Because Fran could read that entire table to filth in five minutes and have the audience in the palm of her hand while she does it, and Barbara knows that. Fran would upstage them all.
R93 sounds like she'd be a real [italic] [bold]BLAST [/italic] [/bold] at parties. (That is, if she were ever invited to one).
I'm in no mood for an eccentric take on same-sex marriage. Serious topic.
Lot of people on this thread do not get it. Maarriage is a legal contract available to heterosexuals to protect their joint interests and their children, legally. It is not available to gay men and lesbians on the Federal level- just the way home loans were not available to blacks before 1968. One does not get married to obtain rights that are not relevant (unless you are married.)
I will probably not marry in my lifetime. But if I meets someone who wants to and convinces me- well I sure hope I have the option as a straight person would.
It's just that simple. It is not about stupid rights- if you do not care about marriage, then OK- but it is important to many couple, particularly those with children.
All this is lost on Fran.
r97 = self-hating cunt, willing to put up with every last stupidity disgorged by a pre-approved "icon." And probably autistic, as well.
charlie, the only one who is lost on anything is you.
Fran supports (with her votes as well) the right of marriage; she simply does not see the value of it for HERSELF. For the 80th time, she is allowed to not want to get married, to deride the practice, etc. and yet still vote in support of it because "[she] know[s] the people want it".
Here is Fran talking about gay rights and gay marriage. You can tell she's for gay marriage, but doesn't personally want it.
I can't understand either. Marriage was created to sell women to the highest bidder.
oppress and humiliate women around the world
Yes marriage is between a man and women
Oppressor and opress
"I'm in no mood for an eccentric take on same-sex marriage. Serious topic."
Excellent point. It's like a black comedian making jokes that he doesn't like to sit in the front of the bus during the civil rights movement.
As a gay man, I never thought I'd address this to a lesbian but... That's not funny, Fran.
I wish Fran would get over her computer-phobia and get on Twitter and Facebook. She is a natural for those formats.