"Lincoln" by Steven Spielberg looks like a total schlock-fest!
I'm basing this on a 1 minute trailer I just saw on Morning Joe.
In a a bad way.
Under the right circumstances, I love schlock, but this just looks bad.
Well,the fact you're not only watching, but admit you watch "Morning Joe" negates anything you have to say, let alone any taste in entertainment.
I saw that clip this morning, too. It does look kind of cheesy, but I may have to see it if only for the delicious prospect of several major breakdown scenes starring Miss Sally Field as the pitiable Mary Todd Lincoln.
The Civil War as Brother vs. Brothers & Sisters
It really does look painful. The wig on Tommy Lee Jones alone. Yes, I know it was the style.
D-D-Lewis looks and sounds like a DisneyWorld animatron raped by the CGI crew.
Doesn't Speielberg specialize in schlock fests?
But, but, but...I'm a GENIUS!!!!
And the Oscar noms will roll on in...
Oh, Della. Please shut up, nobody cares what you have to say. lol
Mark my words, the legendary Sally Field will win her third Oscar for "Lincoln."
I'm a huge fan of history, and I've recently read some good biographies of Lincoln.
I must confess: this movie looks boring and bad.
I hope it's just a bad team doing the trailer.
I was also startled by Tommy Lee Jones' wig. Doesn't Spielberg have a special effects person to handle that sort of thing? Yikes!
The Academy has had buyer's remorse ever since Sally Field's second win, which was over the top any way you choose to look at it.
No nominations for: Murphy's Romance, Steel Magnolias, Not Without My Daughter, or Forrest Gump.
They clearly don't want her anymore, and it's doubtful she will get a nom, much less a win, for schlock like Lincoln.
It goes without saying that Annette Bening will finally win this year, for Imogene.
If Sally wins for this she will be tied with Meryl. 2 Best Actress and 1 Supporting Actress.
Hence, The Streep Troll's preemptive strike to silence any positive comments over the possibility of Field winning her third Oscar.
Isn't Sally, like, 30 years too old to play Mary Todd Lincoln?
Mary Todd Lincoln - born in 1818 - was 47 when Lincoln died.
Sally Field - born 1946 - is 66.
And Mary didn't even live to be Sally's present age.
She died in 1882 aged 64.
The Doris Kearns Goodwin book on which the film is partly (and clearly very loosely) based is wonderful.
One of the more interesting aspects is the relationship between Lincoln and William Seward (the Secretary of State), and how the two forged a personal friendship "outside the office."
When I saw that David Strathairn (whom I like very much) was cast as Seward, I thought there would be a excellent opportunity to dramatize the Lincoln-Seward relationship with two fine actors.
However, it looks like Seward is not in the film much and is another 1-dimensional role that Strathairn will have to fill out with whatever nuance Spielberg will allow.
And yes, this film looks like another over-sentimentalized "feel-good" historical epic like AMISTAD.
LOL at r12. My thoughts exactly. WTF was up for that.
Jones is amazing but he sounded like- Tommy Lee Jones-. I know he's a scholar so he probably put his heart and soul into this pic. I'll wait and see what it really looks like.
David Strathairn is a hot Daddy. I can't wait to see him.
But yeah, the trailer looks a long line of pedantic speeches sewn together in a civil war setting. For fucks sake. This is great material and I'm afraid it's going to be dipped in sentimentality and dogma. Not one young person will want to see this.
Seriusly,the smell of ham from my TV while watching that clip made my mouth water.
Each scene DDLewis, Sally Field, all of them, reeked over overacting.
When it comes to pop-films about the Civil War,I love Edward Zwick's "Glory." I can't help but wonder what he would have done with this material.
I saw it at a screening. I loved it. Not sure the masses will get it -- its REAL talky. The metaphor to our current times to our times is a bit heavy handed but I was totally into it.
[quote]However, it looks like Seward is not in the film much and is another 1-dimensional role that Strathairn will have to fill out with whatever nuance Spielberg will allow.
You can tell that from a one-minute trailer?
I am kind of surprised that they are remaking this story. I felt that the made for tv mini-series Gore Vidal's Lincoln with Sam Waterston and Mary Tyler Moore was the best retelling of the Lincoln/Mary Todd relationship. I still believe that I have that series on VHS tape somewhere. But I guess anything over 20 years old now qualifies for a remake in the era of no new ideas that is Hollywood today.
It looks interesting, but I thought Brad Pitt could have played Lincoln.
Do you really think Spielberg could care less about some TV movie with Sam Waterson and MTM when he can do it all so much better with CGI?
I'm positively shocked it's not in 3D!
The screenplay is by "Angels in America" author Tony Kushner. He also wrote Speilberg's "Munich."
Spielberg projects are usually such, OP. I gave up on him years ago. If I need to "learn me some school", I'll get a book.
I saw a screening tonight. The movie is one of the best I've ever seen. I think it's Spielberg's best movie. He has finally learned the one thing that all his movies -- even Schindler's List -- have lacked: restraint.
In high school I wrote a 42 page research paper on Mary Todd Lincoln. I felt so sorry for her. I felt worse for me because this was before computers - I mean waaaaay before. I had to type the whole damn thing up. I don't even think we had wite-out then. No, we didn't.
I got an A++ - and my damn teacher kept my paper to teach with. I should have copyrighted it and threatened to sue her ass. I think we egged her house that summer.
Yes, I'm old
R30, was MTL schizophrenic? Depressed? Bi-Polar? Was Lincoln?
I'm trying to think of the name of that mental imbalance Vivien Leigh had. I can't think of it.
Anyway, if possible, please boil down your research paper here to digestible bites. I'm curious about her.
The music is so over the top it ruined any interest for me. Spielberg is always so obvious and heavy handled.
Sally's Mary Todd Lincoln spends a lot of time making salads like her Nora Walker did endlessly on Brothers and Sisters.
"No nominations for: Murphy's Romance, Steel Magnolias, Not Without My Daughter, or Forrest Gump."
None of those roles compare with Mary Todd Lincoln as oscar bait. Field will almost certainly be nominated. Whether she wins will depend on her performance in the competition. But certainly no one will fault her for her heartfelt but often derided acceptance speech for Places in the Heart. No one cares about acceptance speeches when it comes to honoring people.
And, notwithstanding their age differences, Field arguably looks comparable in age to Mary Todd Lincoln at the time of her death. And, in any event, Mrs. Lincoln's age is not significant to the telling of the story.
The script is by Kushner, one of our greatest living playwrights.
Like it or not, Spielberg is an objectively brilliant director with the awards and recognition to prove it.
DDL and Sally Field are undeniably great actors, period.
The material this is based on is critically acclaimed. The pedigree for this movie is excellent. Sorry haters.
So the commercial didn't blow Della's tits off?
LOL @ the Meryl loon talking as if its an AMPAS insider.
To all the Anti-Sally-she's-too-old fucks on this list, all I can say is that
21st Century 60s
19th Century 40s
Take a look at the old Andy Hardy Series.
If Andy was a change of life baby and his mother was at oldest 55, I know of NO 55 yo today that looks THAT OLD. His parents look like his grand parents.
And wish Sally a Happy Birthday on Election Day, November 6th.
R31, Was MTL manic depressive?
"I AM young!
It's the actresses playing me that got old!"
Mary Norma Desmond Todd Lincoln
R32, I presume you haven't seen the movie, because the score is Williams' least invasive, over-the-top score ever. It's hard to remember any grandly scored moments in the movie. I know there were some, but it's never over done.
R31, it really was a very long time ago and I remember very few details. I came away understanding the pain of those who had family members on both sides of the conflict. It seemed to me she obviously had depressive episodes but I was young with no experience with those disorders in real life so I'm not sure I picked up on that.
I do remember thinking at the time that no wonder she was depressed - Mary had good cause to be depressed over the loss of her family members in the war and, of course, the deaths of her sons and husband. After growing up a rather charmed life she had a very tragic adult life and I'm not sure if there was anything clincal or those around her wanted her to have something "mental" so they could more easily explain her and control her.
Whether the movie is particularly good or not I'm sure I'll want to see it.
Perhaps I am out of touch with current day high school curricula but I think we spend too much time on the American Civil War - even the Revolution. It has little bearing on an understanding of present day America. Obviously as our history it needs to be taught but I think that early 20th century America and WWII and its aftermath are more important (and to me much more interesting) for an understanding of today's world and economy. I also think WWII and all its fascinating stories and drama (battles, spies, nazis, a world at war, the importance and heroics of standing up to evil, etc) would better hold the attention of teenagers.
And Sally is perfectly capable of pulling off a great performance. Mary Lincoln looked old - she looked older than Sally does in real life.
My point r30 / r42
Though I have no doubt that Tony Kushner was commissioned and paid to write a screenplay, knowing what a slow and painstaking artist Mr. Tony is, I can't imagine the final script wasn't tinkered with and "polished" to death by a hundred Hollywood hacks and Spielberg schlubs.
I've worked with dear Tony
Actually, only a few moments of the trailer and the fact that it's Spielberg make me think you might be right, OP. But I'm keeping an open mind.
Mary Todd Lincoln is not the ideal role for Sally--she does better with understated parts. But Mary Todd Lincoln was a histrionic woman, and from what I've heard Sally really hams it up through the part.
I wish they had cast Frances McDormand or Holly Hunter in the part--both would have been better age matches for DDL, and both are better at reining it in.
[quote]The script is by Kushner, one of our greatest living playwrights.
I'd agree Kushner is one of our greatest living playwrights.
But being a great playwright does not make you a great screenwriter, as Arthur Miller demonstrated with "The Misfits," and as Kushner himself demonstrated with "Munich."
I just found out the movie is based on "Team of Rivals", a terrific book. That's why I intend to see it.
No DL objections to the movie's lack of focus on Lincoln's supposed gay affairs?
The movie is not a broad, sweeping bio-pic, R49. It really is about the fight for the passage of the 13th Amendment. Nothing else, except the assassination, is included.
"Drink the juice Abe"
"Abe was right, it does look like a brown football helmet."
This thread is useless without daguerreotypes.
The real Lincoln is scarier than these national hero treatments we give him in textbooks and media. He was one of the worst; especially when it came to civil liberties.
Mary should have been played by Patty Duke.
W&W for R52
Knowledge of the Civil War helps explain the racism that is still alive and well - and the actions of these stupid bigots who are still alive and well, especially down south. The aftermath of Obama's election proves this point.
Knowledge of the Revolutionary War and the first leaders of this country shows everyone what a bunch of wimps are current leaders are, especially the republicunts. Signing the Declaration of Independence was signing a possible death warrant. I'm sure Mittens would be in the front of the line - if he thought it was the line for croissants while doing "missionary" work.
"....our current leaders are."
Actually, R53, the movie acknowledges that Lincoln took possibly extra-Constitutional steps. It's not a whitewash.
Will Sally campaign for lead or supporting?
Supporting. All the material Dreamworks is sending out has her listed as supporting.
again that should have been Patty's!!!
OMG just saw this preview and it is hilarious.
Sally has one scene where her character rings her hands literally and walks in a circle, repeating the same lines over and over. It was MADNESS.
OK, I know I'm late to seeing this movie, but I just saw it and this film is definitely about 30 minutes to long - some of the dialogue just dragged on way too long. A good film overall, but not as wonderful as it was hyped up to be.