It's the 20th anniversary of EROTICA, and that for me was exactly when I realized she was just ridiculous and a famewhore. I've liked some of the things she's done since then (particularly "Ray of Light," one of her all-time best songs), but I've just not respected her generally for twenty years.
American Life and her oh-so-deep commentary on war.
or maybe the children's books. or the Gap commercial. Or her bragging that she doesn't let her kids watch tv. Or the English accent.
Loved her from the beginning, followed her through the years, and still love her today. No other artist has a repertoire like hers. She continually changes her musical style, collaborating with different artists and producers to give her fans something new every time.
If you got "over her", you are stating that you lost interest in her music, or were turned off by the way she was acting at that time.
I always felt like she was a good singer who put out catchy pop and dance music. She was always fighting the system - promoting women's rights, gay rights, abortion rights, sexual oppression, violence, ageism, etc. Because of this, a lot of folks just couldn't relate or lost interest.
Just my two cents. And I'd say judging from the sell-out tour that will break her own record, many others would agree.
You are over her yet you make a thread about her?
[quote]I always felt like she was a good singer
When American Life was released. It was absolutely horrid.
[quote]No other artist has a repertoire like hers.
The first time I heard her sing live -- on the Oscars murdering that Sondheim song from "Dick Tracy." Showed her to be the no-talent fraud she is. Say what you want about Lady Gaga, the bitch can sing. Madonna -- it's all created in the studio.
I lost interest after Ray of Light. I still listen to that album and Erotica and the single Hung Up, but that's about it. The earlier stuff is too cheesy (as is Erotica technically) and the later stuff sucks.
No other "artist" has had a boudoir that has seen more action than hers.
The spring of 1986 when I was 12. I discovered Janet Jackson's Control Album.
Defending Eminem is what made me hate her guts. I had bought most of her cds and albums up to that point, and I haven't bought a single one since. Her best dance-pop stuff was fun despite her vocal limitations, but I was also a fan because I thought she respected her gay audience and was in our corner. I always knew she was a poser who couldn't really sing, so when she betrayed gays with her gushing Emimen endorsement, all that was left was an annoyingly overpraised marginal talent who had exploited the gay audience.
One of the biggest problems to Madonna's legacy is that many of her biggest hits were in the 80s, a time when synthesizers/drum-machines were at their cheesiest.
I was never "under" her to get "over" her. I don't "have to like Madonna" just because I'm "gay" any more than I do Cher or Judy Garland or her daughter Liza.
"If the holy fathah wants to see me, he'll have to come to one of my shows"
"Exactly when did you get over Madonna?"
When I realized that she hadn't gotten over herself.
It's not possible to get "over" Madonna for those of us who have never been a fan of Madonna.
After watching "Truth or Dare", she seemed like a fake bitch.
Erotica was the last album I enjoyed, though I did like Secret from Bedtime Stories. But I was over Mad at that point.
American Life is a criminally underrated album. I started to tune out when she collaborated with Justin Timberlake and Timbaland. There were some great songs on that album (Miles Away, Spanish Lesson, Voices, Dance Tonight) but she was incredibly lazy during that era. She thought the Justin feature would ensure big sales, but the album flopped hard.
It was the minute she latched on to Britney. It made her resemble a storyline out of a horror flick where the cat sucks the breath out of a baby.
We were supposed to be shocked. I was bored and embarrassed for her. Not because of the pix, but because the accompanying commentary was so trite.
Still, I've always been a casual fan. I'm in the minority here in that I enjoy the hell out of "Hard Candy."
It would have to be "Music".
That Grace Slick quote rings true: "all rock-and-rollers over the age of 50 look stupid and should retire".
Now I view her the same way as Cher. Both are smart business women grinding out money from old fans.
The moment that talent free hag appeared. I was never any kind of fan.
I never got over her because I was never into her.
I absolutely loathe her with a passion...but I actually like this song...but that's it.
There was a period in the mid-'90s when I really liked her. I loved Ray of Light (still do), but stopped following her after that and now I just think she's ridiculous, although I still enjoy some of her older stuff, if I'm in the mood for it.
My taste in music radically changed in the late '90s and I stopped following Top 40 music completely.
English Rose Lady of the Manor phase.
[quote]I don't "have to like Madonna" just because I'm "gay"
Who said you have to like her because you are gay? Self loathing much and hate the label you must wear, do you?
When a straight person asks another if they are going to see a movie, or if they like some actor or musical group, is the response, "I don't have to like them just because I'm straight."?
You either like somebody or you don't, why do you have to tie your orientation to it?
I would have had to be into her first, which I never have been.
Get over her? I never even got under her.
[quote]The spring of 1986 when I was 12. I discovered Janet Jackson's Control Album.
LOL. And Madonna was immediately mad.
At about 26 when my musical tastes matured. I don't hate her or anything and still listen to a few of her oldies now and then. You just get older and a thumping beat to dance to just isn't your thing anymore.
I was teetering on the edge when she gave Britney Spears attention and stage time. I went over the edge when she sampled Abba. So calculating and so behind the curve... years after Erasure's EP, years after the A-Teens, years after Muriel's Wedding, years after Mamma Mia!.
I knew she had dropped the ball and has done nothing since that reveals the foresight she used to have in musical direction.
Well, as a kid I was always a fan. I was born in the 80s and grew up in the 90s. I was turned off a bit with her American Life album but then I liked her next album Confessions on a A Dance Floor or whatever it's called. After that album is when I started going online and reading more about her (mid 2000s). I learned all kinds of bad things about her, such as her copycat/thievery ways, her stank attitude and how she's just a gimmick queen/contrived controversy starter to make up for her lack of talent. So for the last 6 years or so, I've been permanently turned off and can be classified as a "hater" if you will.
With the release of 'Music'. After that, I very nearly lost track of her recording career other than a small handful of songs I briefly heard on the radio. Prior to that, I was pretty engaged in her music, I liked it a lot. I knew what she was up to though, because she always tries to get herself attention. The whole British duchess thing was a complete turn-off, it made my skin crawl. I came back to her when she released 'Hard Candy' in 2008, I thought it was a good album. I was disappointed with MDNA though.
I stopped paying attention to her after Erotica. She had pretty much played herself out.
I'm not OVER Madonna...I'm just ready for her to start caring about her music (and music in general - in interviews for MDNA she said she wasn't listening to any music at all aside from what Orbit played her - and guess what he played her? Kreayshawn, which only sold like 600 CDs and was sold at Hot Topic). I know she'll release quality, forward thinking tunes in the future. We just have to wait for her to care again.
I've liked everything she's done. I give her credit for not always doing the same thing over and over (I'm looking at you, Janet). She hasn't always produced the best stuff, but she's changed it up. To me, it all began with the Like a Prayer album. Every album after that was a sort of evolution. Has she copied others? Sure - who hasn't. But who else could have done albums such as Ray of Light or Erotica?
I think when she made out with Britney on stage she seemed so much less outspoken and merely cheesy and opportunistic
After American Life..although I did like Ray of Light and even some of Confessions but the death knell was Hard Candy.
[quote] Defending Eminem is what made me hate her guts. I had bought most of her cds and albums up to that point, and I haven't bought a single one since. Her best dance-pop stuff was fun despite her vocal limitations, but I was also a fan because I thought she respected her gay audience and was in our corner. I always knew she was a poser who couldn't really sing, so when she betrayed gays with her gushing Emimen endorsement, all that was left was an annoyingly overpraised marginal talent who had exploited the gay audience.
Also, the upper-class allegience she suddenly adhered to via Guy Ritchie - going on hunts, allying herself with the rich Tory toffs in power.
Basically: homophobic when it came down to it, and classist as well. NO sense of real ethics, then.
I've always liked "Dress You Up" live concert video. She had two male back up dancers/singers; I always had crush on the dancer that was on the right in the video. Was that her brother? Cute asian guitar player in video also.
I like a few other songs of her from the earlier days but have never been die hard fan.
When I found out how she steals from and torments poor Aisha. Her cousin Gwen Stefani is also on my shit-list for doing the same.
Op it's rather obvious you are not over Madonna, or you wouldn't have started this thread. Look the woman is old, shot out, over the hill, she is yesterdays news and long past being put out to pasture. The same goes for the great granddaddies of rock, The Rolling Stones. They can't believe they still get p r.
OMG is that Aisha actually posting on here? That girl better be careful because there's new brainscan technology that the elites have and Britney is buying it so she can scan Aisha's brain to get the lyrics, melodies and production to songs that are in Aisha's head. Britney will violate the copyright and Aisha will not see a dime. Britney is then loaning this technology to Gwen Stefani (Madonna's cousin) who will then scan Aisha's brain to steal all of Aisha's creative work so Gwen can release two new albums. They know if they get it directly from Aisha's brain, she won't be able to show the proof on her website! (The above comment is parody and not meant to be taken seriously)
That was a filmed at Cobo Arena in Detroit in 1985 [R47]. I was one of the 13 year old bitches with the sunglasses getting out of the limo.
American Life's "rap" verse... "I'm feeling super-duper".
I arrived late to the party and left early, but I had a good time while I was there.
Honestly, I was done with her with the release of "Like A Prayer"...when she started to get all "personal" when her lyrics. That song about her father just makes me cringe. She redeemed herself somewhat with "Ray of Light", but she went right back to making terrible music after that.
Ray of Light. Tuneless, pretentious drivel. She peaked on Erotica (genius...the funniest album she ever did), had a few more moments on Bedtime Stories, and that was it.
I do like "Sorry" however. It was a smash in Europe; why did it flop in the US?
Even though Madonnas current CD is made up of terrible songs, which are an embarrassment to her Pettibone/Benetiz years, the songs are still a measure better than the crap Lady Gaga is coming out with on Art Pop 2013.
Rumor has it that Lady Gagas management is already desperately scavenging the music sphere for "Producers" to rescue her new Album.
R51, would you know what the Pop Art songs are like? Are you a music industry insider? You seem like a desperately deluded Madonna stan.
[quote]Rumor has it...
I rest my case.
oohhh Did someone touch a nerve [R52]?
Let me think on that for a minute, R53. No.
Lady Gaga is coming out with a line of bottled water!
Gaga people already coming to the defense of her new Album before it is released.
It must be really, REALLY bad!
Madonna people already denigrating a Gaga album before it is released.
It must be really, REALLY good!
I agree with R23.
American Life was the biggest disaster of the century, followed by Bedtime Stories.
This endlessly repeated post has become possibly the most tedious, tiresomeand humorless theme in all of DL history. Bring back the cak.
I was never under her, bitch.
Never had to get over her because I have never been a fan. I prefer musicians and artists.
When I realized American Life only had one decent song on it.
Still love hurrr
I was over her when she sold out and married homophobe Guy Ritchie and moved to England pretending to be "high society". Not only did her music get shittier around that time, but I realized what a fake she was and how she was like all the other needy women who pretend to be something they're not just to please their husband.
Pretty much after "Confessions on the Dance Floor, and the flower bit turned me off.
R46's link is sort of shocking. It's been a long, long time since Madonna has had young people for fans.
I think it was the craptacular trio Die Another Day/Swept Away/American Life. I liked Hung Up and thought she was back to making decent music again... but then that shitty song with Justin Timberlake followed by the shitty Celebration single and video. But the most damaging was the book by her brother and the hydrangeas video that really did it. The last CD was the first in nearly 30 years I didn't buy. She never grew up.
as a little kid I wasn't a fan. When I got into my pre-teens and teens I liked her stuff. The "American Life" album was a turn off, but I didn't mind her "Hung Up" song later. When I got into my early 20s and found out online how much shit she has pulled, everything she has stole from others, and just how untalented she is, I was turned off for good. She's just an old, copycat, desperate attention-whore.
When she tried to become an actress and when she took a pic with a champagne bottle to her "erotic" book.
Erotica and the boring S&M shit and her insistence on an 'acting' career. The children's books were lame, too.
I like the '80s/'90s Madonna.
In my teens I wasn't a fan but I have been pretty much since 1990. Her film In Bed with Madonna and Justify My Love totally swang me. At a time when it really wasn't ok to be gay and there was little gay imagery in the mainstream media, that was just fucking fantastic and the music was brilliant too.
R19, American Life the song is fucking amazing, in my opinion. One of my favourite pieces of music. The whole accompanying video and the underlying message of the song, at that point in time, are pretty amazing. One of the few, Americans in particular, to stand up against the invasion of Iraq from the beginning, and took the flak for it.
When she tried to sing "Live To Tell," a song that showed that vocally, she was in way over her head.
Her tone on her slow songs is atrocious. She does not have natural vibrato.
[quote]particularly "Ray of Light," one of her all-time best songs
And even that, like most of her output, is a ripoff.
I think it was when she proved she had no sense of humor or humility left. You can wear all the grills you want, and collaborate with hot young talents like Nicki Minaj, but when she start taking yourself too seriously, you become officially irrelevant.
I liked her up until Hard Candy (which was pure shit, from beginning to end).
I was never UNDER her!
Why is anyone not over her at this point?
I was never a Madonna fan and am unfamiliar with most of her music. I did like Spanish Lullaby.
Yeah, after "Ray of Light", I got sickened enjoying her because she's such a tired, ugly-acting, humorless cunt. It was too much.
As someone who allegedly attended the University of Michigan to study dance, or as Madge says, "Dahnce", she moves like Mae West on Percodan in the laughable and super creepy "Hung Up" video. I guess that was the last straw!
2000. It was the transition to mp3 formatting.
I had already repurchased her catalogue on CD and cassette formats.
"Music" was worth the mp3 pricing because it was new. None of the old stuff was worth .99 per download. "American Life" sounded like a bad joke.
Oddly, many of my other favorites made the cut to MP3.
I was never more than a casual fan, but I enjoyed most of her output up through Ray of Light. Hated everything after that. "Hung Up" was ok, but I'd rather just listen to Abba's original, really.
When she married Guy Ritchie, got into Kabbalah, and bought herself a couple African kids, the Madonna I "knew" as a child of the 80s was gone forever.
After Vogue, that was her peak. She's been downhill since then. I never got the big fuss about Ray of Light. The only song on that album I liked was Frozen.
Never got over her as I never got into her in the first place.
It was after "Ray of Light" that I didn't care for her next album releases. But, Confessions On The Dance Floor was a nice surprise, then Madonna went downhill again.
MDNA was very disappointing.
Give Me All Your Lovin was terrible, pretty much a throwaway song. I don't even think Madonna tried hard to record a good song with MDNA. Hard Candy had a few good songs, but Madonna could have done better.
Madonna could redeem herself with a great album release. She needs to get serious with music again, and not getting in the news for showing her gold grills.
Agree with R92. The sight of her flopping around on stage with no rhythm, vocal skill or style on the Grammys, and at the same time obviously focusing on remembering her "choreography," was a precursor to everything else she has ever done. She was a self-marketer at a time when the competition was low, and that's what her entire career has capitalized on. But she was "that turd" from the moment she started.
She very nearly lost me with American Life, that was her lowest ebb ever. Until now.
She lost her connection to the public after the adoptions and has gotten even worse since. The British accent may have gone but was replaced with some unfortunate drastic surgeries and toddler boyfriends.
It all changed after Sex. Then in came the kaballah and she went from bitchy but fun cunt to preachy hypocritical cunt. She's now nearly 60 and a heritage act and needs to accept that.
The music and tours are for hardcore fans only at this point. I don't see a way for her back unless she plays the nostalgia game, since warmth was never her greatest strength.
I never liked her much to begin with. I had the rare pleasure of waiting on her and SP in a store back in the mid 1980s. Both were very nasty, strange and stuck on themselves. I don't have her albums. Not a fan, never was and never will be.
R95 more details on what they were like? What did they say?
Honestly I think if more Vadge fans were to interact with her, they'd be instantly turned off. She really is a hypocrite of the highest order-preaching love and blah blah but is a raging bitch in real life.
it comes and goes, the Sex book and erotica just seemed dumb but she roped me back with Ray of Light and the Grammy performace of "Hung Up"
I got over her when I was 11-years-old, back in 1993. My parents bought the soundtrack from 'The Bodyguard' and I remember that I thought "Madonna is shit compared to this". I never looked back. She can't sing, dance or act, and is a mediocre songwriter at best - which makes her success all the more outrageous. Especially when you think about the fact that people who are actually talented fade into obscurity, while she remains "relevant" thanks to cheap shock tactics and shameless self-promotion.
Like R75, I didn't become a fan until 1990.
For me it was the combo of Justify My Love, her doing Vogue on the MTV music awards in period costumes and the movie Truth or Dare.
For the life of me, I could never understood why the extent of her popularity was the way it was in the 1980s.
I was a huge fan of Madge until better acts like Britney Spears, Beyoncé, Jessica Simpson, Rhianna and Kelly Clarkson came along and showed how passé Madonna was. She deservedly had her thunder stolen. In all fairness, she had her day and a lot of success, but her day ended somewhere around 1999. She should have retired gracefully at that time. But no, she'll keep touring and releasing sub-par albums until she's 85 and looking more pathetic with every passing year.
I still love her old (good) stuff.
[quote]I never got the big fuss about Ray of Light.
Thank you! I never understood the hype about this album either. There were some good songs on it, but it was this album was the beginning of the end. To this day she has not let go of the shitty generic electronic sound that she became obsessed with during Ray of Light.
Her last good album was Bedtime Stories. Great adult contemporary album with an R&B feel. Her voice also sounded decent on it.
So I would say the late 90's when all the Kabbalah shit/fake British accent shit/Guy Ritchie shit/faux proper English lady shit was when I was done with her.
Has she bothered to take guitar lessons, or was all of that just a passing fad sort of thing? I mean, if she had any brains, she'd have Charo coach her and try to turn herself into a decent musician!
I never understood the gay male obsession with that Madonna idiot. In the '80s, her mechanical, soulless disco shit drove me running for Metallica and Guns N' Roses. I was the odd-man out at the time, as every other gay dude I knew loved that vapid disco corn.
Her music tends to become "dated" very quickly. You can't listen to her '80s stuff without thinking, "eighties!" You can't listen to her '90s stuff without thinking, "nineties!"
Likewise, you can't listen to anything she has done since 2000 without thinking, "SHIT!"
[quote]I mean, if she had any brains, she'd have Charo coach her and try to turn herself into a decent musician!
Charo shows her how La Isla should be done.
In the 'Sex' book when she talked about hating fat people. Fuck you, bitch. She must post on DL.
Anyone who is not over her by 2013 is just a moron. With all the info out there about her, and comparing her "talent" to others, she really sucks both as an entertainer and a human being. Those who continue to support and give money to her are pathetic.
[quote]In the 'Sex' book when she talked about hating fat people.
What did Rosie think of that?
about ten days after the wedding
Everything after Confessions, I just could not get into it. Her opening number for that tour is still pretty incredible.
Madonna is an act. It's a pop act. Music is secondary since she's not really a singer. Hers is an act from music videos early days. She will end up in Vegas .
The "Music" album from 2000 is when I got over her. That album was such a piece of robotic shit with stupid lyrics and when I realized how talentless she truly was. Every song on that album had her vocals put through a vocoder and Autotuned to death, and she's done that with her vocals ever since.
Oh, and that was also when she showed how fake she was when she married that homophobe Guy Ritchie and ignored her gay fans for years until her career was in the shitter and then she wanted to come crawling back pandering to them.
Right after the first time I saw her perform.
First time I heard her--1984, I think.
[quote]Defending Eminem is what made me hate her guts.
Did you feel the same way towards Elton John, as well?
She became a joke with "Body of Evidence". She was clearly trying to be Sharon Stone, and that was sad.
Body of Evidence is an interesting film to watch to study actors. I just saw it recently and I was struck with how genuinely bad Madonna is yet somehow Julianne Moore with the same script and director and everything manages to be really good. (or as good as anyone can be under the circumstances.)
I never "got" her from the beginning. She was a not particularly attractive, not particularly talented figure who was very good at drawing attention to herself. I could never understand what made some people think she was all that.
What? You didn't like her failed attempt to be the lady of the English manor/Town and Country with that fake British accent even though she is from Detroit?
I was never under her, OP.
r116 [quote]She was clearly trying to be Sharon Stone
She has always aspired to be anyone but herself. Her innumerable "homages" bear witness to this. Hollow and shallow inside and out.
Oh, so this is the thread where a bunch of bitter queens ramble on about why they hate Madonna. Nothing to see here...
R122 Vadge, shouldn't you be in your bathroom playing dress up and taking more stupid selfies?
I never liked that whore.
Kabbalah. Done. Crazy. No different than Scientology at the level she works at.
That electronic digitized disco-ey sounding music that the Brits like did her no favors.
OMG, the 25 posters who said they were never under her are SO clever, I'm thinking of troll-daring them so I can follow every smart quip that comes out of their minds.
When she got up on her high horse after marrying Guy Ritchie.
Proclaimed, in her fake British accent, that she was moving to the UK because it was unsafe to raise her children here.
Fast forward a couple of months...someone breaks into her house in the middle of the night, while they're all sleeping, burgles the place, takes her car keys & steals her car.
If that's not a karmic kick in the cunt, I don't know what is.
R98 sounds like I could've posted it.
I didn't become a fan of hers until around the time of Truth or Dare, the Justify My Love video and her doing "Vogue" on the MTV Music Awards (although I thought the Sex book was really stupid).
Some of us always thought she was a complete phony whose talent had nothing to do with musicianship and everything to do with her aggression and ability to market herself.
She takes credit for other artists' work. And it's so blatant. I thought maybe Ray of Light was original, but even that was stolen.
The writer of the song, Curtiss Maldoon, sued her and won. She's been sued so many times.
L I E S @ r132. Maldoon was credited as a writer in the album's booklet. There was no lawsuit.
From the December 1998 issue of SPIN:
"Muldoon's niece Christine Leach later updated it [Sepheryn], and sold the rights to Madonna and William Orbit after Muldoon died."
R131 is right.
r133 she got sued for not paying royalties to Maldoon while he was still alive. it has nothing to do with giving him credit.
She's been sued in courts all over the world for ripping off other artists.
i meant to his estate, he died in 1976.
(...I'm looking at you, Janet...)
Say it 3x in a mirror and IT will appear...
I only liked her first album - I forget the name - and that Susan Seidelman film she was in. Only time her and my sense of the zeitgeist were in sync.
I had been hoping she would die in a grease fire.
She is ridiculous now because she lives in a bubble.
But one thing I can relate too is the question of are you supposed give up the music you grew up with after a cetain age? I started listening and dancing to house and all types of dance music when I was 17 (1987) and I still love it but now that I 'm getting older (43] I somehow am supposed to not like it anymore because it's "young" music. Society says you shouldn't care about new music after a certain age. I'm not even going to get into how you are supposed to dress.
She needs to move to different avenues. She's middle aged, but trying to stay revelant by thinking she's hip and stylish. But then she turns off most go her fans, who are middle-aged themselves.
I'm irritated and bored by performers who say "worship me", "I'm the queen", etc. while they grind against their high end bathroom fixtures. I don't worship anybody. So lame.
Her cover of American Pie killed it for me.
Yeah, I agree: Madge pretty much jumped-the-shark when she latched on to Brittany like a drowning victim grabbing for a life raft: it made her look desperate.