Exactly when did you get over Madonna?

American Life and her oh-so-deep commentary on war.

or maybe the children's books. or the Gap commercial. Or her bragging that she doesn't let her kids watch tv. Or the English accent.

Loved her from the beginning, followed her through the years, and still love her today. No other artist has a repertoire like hers. She continually changes her musical style, collaborating with different artists and producers to give her fans something new every time.

If you got "over her", you are stating that you lost interest in her music, or were turned off by the way she was acting at that time.

I always felt like she was a good singer who put out catchy pop and dance music. She was always fighting the system - promoting women's rights, gay rights, abortion rights, sexual oppression, violence, ageism, etc. Because of this, a lot of folks just couldn't relate or lost interest.

Just my two cents. And I'd say judging from the sell-out tour that will break her own record, many others would agree.

You are over her yet you make a thread about her?

[quote]I always felt like she was a good singer

Holy shit.

When American Life was released. It was absolutely horrid.

[quote]No other artist has a repertoire like hers.

Thank you.

The first time I heard her sing live -- on the Oscars murdering that Sondheim song from "Dick Tracy." Showed her to be the no-talent fraud she is. Say what you want about Lady Gaga, the bitch can sing. Madonna -- it's all created in the studio.

I lost interest after Ray of Light. I still listen to that album and Erotica and the single Hung Up, but that's about it. The earlier stuff is too cheesy (as is Erotica technically) and the later stuff sucks.

No other "artist" has had a boudoir that has seen more action than hers.

The spring of 1986 when I was 12. I discovered Janet Jackson's Control Album.

Defending Eminem is what made me hate her guts. I had bought most of her cds and albums up to that point, and I haven't bought a single one since. Her best dance-pop stuff was fun despite her vocal limitations, but I was also a fan because I thought she respected her gay audience and was in our corner. I always knew she was a poser who couldn't really sing, so when she betrayed gays with her gushing Emimen endorsement, all that was left was an annoyingly overpraised marginal talent who had exploited the gay audience.

One of the biggest problems to Madonna's legacy is that many of her biggest hits were in the 80s, a time when synthesizers/drum-machines were at their cheesiest.

I was never "under" her to get "over" her. I don't "have to like Madonna" just because I'm "gay" any more than I do Cher or Judy Garland or her daughter Liza.

"Exactly when did you get over Madonna?"

When I realized that she hadn't gotten over herself.

It's not possible to get "over" Madonna for those of us who have never been a fan of Madonna.

After watching "Truth or Dare", she seemed like a fake bitch.

American Life

Erotica was the last album I enjoyed, though I did like Secret from Bedtime Stories. But I was over Mad at that point.

American Life is a criminally underrated album. I started to tune out when she collaborated with Justin Timberlake and Timbaland. There were some great songs on that album (Miles Away, Spanish Lesson, Voices, Dance Tonight) but she was incredibly lazy during that era. She thought the Justin feature would ensure big sales, but the album flopped hard.

It was the minute she latched on to Britney. It made her resemble a storyline out of a horror flick where the cat sucks the breath out of a baby.

"Sex"

We were supposed to be shocked. I was bored and embarrassed for her. Not because of the pix, but because the accompanying commentary was so trite.

Still, I've always been a casual fan. I'm in the minority here in that I enjoy the hell out of "Hard Candy."

It would have to be "Music".

That Grace Slick quote rings true: "all rock-and-rollers over the age of 50 look stupid and should retire".

Now I view her the same way as Cher. Both are smart business women grinding out money from old fans.

The moment that talent free hag appeared. I was never any kind of fan.

I never got over her because I was never into her.

I absolutely loathe her with a passion...but I actually like this song...but that's it.

There was a period in the mid-'90s when I really liked her. I loved Ray of Light (still do), but stopped following her after that and now I just think she's ridiculous, although I still enjoy some of her older stuff, if I'm in the mood for it.

My taste in music radically changed in the late '90s and I stopped following Top 40 music completely.

English Rose Lady of the Manor phase.

[quote]I don't "have to like Madonna" just because I'm "gay"

Who said you have to like her because you are gay? Self loathing much and hate the label you must wear, do you?

When a straight person asks another if they are going to see a movie, or if they like some actor or musical group, is the response, "I don't have to like them just because I'm straight."?

You either like somebody or you don't, why do you have to tie your orientation to it?

I would have had to be into her first, which I never have been.

Get over her? I never even got under her.

[quote]The spring of 1986 when I was 12. I discovered Janet Jackson's Control Album.

LOL. And Madonna was immediately mad.

At about 26 when my musical tastes matured. I don't hate her or anything and still listen to a few of her oldies now and then. You just get older and a thumping beat to dance to just isn't your thing anymore.

I was teetering on the edge when she gave Britney Spears attention and stage time. I went over the edge when she sampled Abba. So calculating and so behind the curve... years after Erasure's EP, years after the A-Teens, years after Muriel's Wedding, years after Mamma Mia!.

I knew she had dropped the ball and has done nothing since that reveals the foresight she used to have in musical direction.

Well, as a kid I was always a fan. I was born in the 80s and grew up in the 90s. I was turned off a bit with her American Life album but then I liked her next album Confessions on a A Dance Floor or whatever it's called. After that album is when I started going online and reading more about her (mid 2000s). I learned all kinds of bad things about her, such as her copycat/thievery ways, her stank attitude and how she's just a gimmick queen/contrived controversy starter to make up for her lack of talent. So for the last 6 years or so, I've been permanently turned off and can be classified as a "hater" if you will.

With the release of 'Music'. After that, I very nearly lost track of her recording career other than a small handful of songs I briefly heard on the radio. Prior to that, I was pretty engaged in her music, I liked it a lot. I knew what she was up to though, because she always tries to get herself attention. The whole British duchess thing was a complete turn-off, it made my skin crawl. I came back to her when she released 'Hard Candy' in 2008, I thought it was a good album. I was disappointed with MDNA though.

I stopped paying attention to her after Erotica. She had pretty much played herself out.

Who?

I'm not OVER Madonna...I'm just ready for her to start caring about her music (and music in general - in interviews for MDNA she said she wasn't listening to any music at all aside from what Orbit played her - and guess what he played her? Kreayshawn, which only sold like 600 CDs and was sold at Hot Topic). I know she'll release quality, forward thinking tunes in the future. We just have to wait for her to care again.

I've liked everything she's done. I give her credit for not always doing the same thing over and over (I'm looking at you, Janet). She hasn't always produced the best stuff, but she's changed it up. To me, it all began with the Like a Prayer album. Every album after that was a sort of evolution. Has she copied others? Sure - who hasn't. But who else could have done albums such as Ray of Light or Erotica?

I think when she made out with Britney on stage she seemed so much less outspoken and merely cheesy and opportunistic

After American Life..although I did like Ray of Light and even some of Confessions but the death knell was Hard Candy.

[quote] Defending Eminem is what made me hate her guts. I had bought most of her cds and albums up to that point, and I haven't bought a single one since. Her best dance-pop stuff was fun despite her vocal limitations, but I was also a fan because I thought she respected her gay audience and was in our corner. I always knew she was a poser who couldn't really sing, so when she betrayed gays with her gushing Emimen endorsement, all that was left was an annoyingly overpraised marginal talent who had exploited the gay audience.

This.

Also, the upper-class allegience she suddenly adhered to via Guy Ritchie - going on hunts, allying herself with the rich Tory toffs in power.

Basically: homophobic when it came down to it, and classist as well. NO sense of real ethics, then.

I've always liked "Dress You Up" live concert video. She had two male back up dancers/singers; I always had crush on the dancer that was on the right in the video. Was that her brother? Cute asian guitar player in video also.

I like a few other songs of her from the earlier days but have never been die hard fan.

When I found out how she steals from and torments poor Aisha. Her cousin Gwen Stefani is also on my shit-list for doing the same.

Op it's rather obvious you are not over Madonna, or you wouldn't have started this thread. Look the woman is old, shot out, over the hill, she is yesterdays news and long past being put out to pasture. The same goes for the great granddaddies of rock, The Rolling Stones. They can't believe they still get p r.

OMG is that Aisha actually posting on here? That girl better be careful because there's new brainscan technology that the elites have and Britney is buying it so she can scan Aisha's brain to get the lyrics, melodies and production to songs that are in Aisha's head. Britney will violate the copyright and Aisha will not see a dime. Britney is then loaning this technology to Gwen Stefani (Madonna's cousin) who will then scan Aisha's brain to steal all of Aisha's creative work so Gwen can release two new albums. They know if they get it directly from Aisha's brain, she won't be able to show the proof on her website! (The above comment is parody and not meant to be taken seriously)

That was a filmed at Cobo Arena in Detroit in 1985 [R47]. I was one of the 13 year old bitches with the sunglasses getting out of the limo.

American Life's "rap" verse... "I'm feeling super-duper".

I arrived late to the party and left early, but I had a good time while I was there.

Honestly, I was done with her with the release of "Like A Prayer"...when she started to get all "personal" when her lyrics. That song about her father just makes me cringe. She redeemed herself somewhat with "Ray of Light", but she went right back to making terrible music after that.

Ray of Light. Tuneless, pretentious drivel. She peaked on Erotica (genius...the funniest album she ever did), had a few more moments on Bedtime Stories, and that was it.

I do like "Sorry" however. It was a smash in Europe; why did it flop in the US?

Even though Madonnas current CD is made up of terrible songs, which are an embarrassment to her Pettibone/Benetiz years, the songs are still a measure better than the crap Lady Gaga is coming out with on Art Pop 2013.

Rumor has it that Lady Gagas management is already desperately scavenging the music sphere for "Producers" to rescue her new Album.

R51, would you know what the Pop Art songs are like? Are you a music industry insider? You seem like a desperately deluded Madonna stan.

[quote]Rumor has it...

I rest my case.

oohhh Did someone touch a nerve [R52]?

Let me think on that for a minute, R53. No.

Lady Gaga is coming out with a line of bottled water!

Gaga people already coming to the defense of her new Album before it is released.

It must be really, REALLY bad!

Madonna people already denigrating a Gaga album before it is released.

It must be really, REALLY good!

I agree with R23.

American Life was the biggest disaster of the century, followed by Bedtime Stories.

This endlessly repeated post has become possibly the most tedious, tiresomeand humorless theme in all of DL history. Bring back the cak.

I was never under her, bitch.

Never had to get over her because I have never been a fan. I prefer musicians and artists.

When I realized American Life only had one decent song on it.

Still love hurrr

I was over her when she sold out and married homophobe Guy Ritchie and moved to England pretending to be "high society". Not only did her music get shittier around that time, but I realized what a fake she was and how she was like all the other needy women who pretend to be something they're not just to please their husband.

Pretty much after "Confessions on the Dance Floor, and the flower bit turned me off.

R46's link is sort of shocking. It's been a long, long time since Madonna has had young people for fans.

I think it was the craptacular trio Die Another Day/Swept Away/American Life. I liked Hung Up and thought she was back to making decent music again... but then that shitty song with Justin Timberlake followed by the shitty Celebration single and video. But the most damaging was the book by her brother and the hydrangeas video that really did it. The last CD was the first in nearly 30 years I didn't buy. She never grew up.

as a little kid I wasn't a fan. When I got into my pre-teens and teens I liked her stuff. The "American Life" album was a turn off, but I didn't mind her "Hung Up" song later. When I got into my early 20s and found out online how much shit she has pulled, everything she has stole from others, and just how untalented she is, I was turned off for good. She's just an old, copycat, desperate attention-whore.

The hydrangea debacle clinched it for me.

When she tried to become an actress and when she took a pic with a champagne bottle to her "erotic" book.

Erotica and the boring S&M shit and her insistence on an 'acting' career. The children's books were lame, too.

I like the '80s/'90s Madonna.

In my teens I wasn't a fan but I have been pretty much since 1990. Her film In Bed with Madonna and Justify My Love totally swang me. At a time when it really wasn't ok to be gay and there was little gay imagery in the mainstream media, that was just fucking fantastic and the music was brilliant too.

R19, American Life the song is fucking amazing, in my opinion. One of my favourite pieces of music. The whole accompanying video and the underlying message of the song, at that point in time, are pretty amazing. One of the few, Americans in particular, to stand up against the invasion of Iraq from the beginning, and took the flak for it.

When she tried to sing "Live To Tell," a song that showed that vocally, she was in way over her head. Her tone on her slow songs is atrocious. She does not have natural vibrato.

[quote]particularly "Ray of Light," one of her all-time best songs

And even that, like most of her output, is a ripoff.

I think it was when she proved she had no sense of humor or humility left. You can wear all the grills you want, and collaborate with hot young talents like Nicki Minaj, but when she start taking yourself too seriously, you become officially irrelevant.

I liked her up until Hard Candy (which was pure shit, from beginning to end).

I was never UNDER her!

Late 80s

Why is anyone not over her at this point?

I was never a Madonna fan and am unfamiliar with most of her music. I did like Spanish Lullaby.

Yeah, after "Ray of Light", I got sickened enjoying her because she's such a tired, ugly-acting, humorless cunt. It was too much.

As someone who allegedly attended the University of Michigan to study dance, or as Madge says, "Dahnce", she moves like Mae West on Percodan in the laughable and super creepy "Hung Up" video. I guess that was the last straw!

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2000. It was the transition to mp3 formatting.

I had already repurchased her catalogue on CD and cassette formats.

"Music" was worth the mp3 pricing because it was new. None of the old stuff was worth .99 per download. "American Life" sounded like a bad joke.

Oddly, many of my other favorites made the cut to MP3.

I was never more than a casual fan, but I enjoyed most of her output up through Ray of Light. Hated everything after that. "Hung Up" was ok, but I'd rather just listen to Abba's original, really.

When she married Guy Ritchie, got into Kabbalah, and bought herself a couple African kids, the Madonna I "knew" as a child of the 80s was gone forever.

After Vogue, that was her peak. She's been downhill since then. I never got the big fuss about Ray of Light. The only song on that album I liked was Frozen.

Never got over her as I never got into her in the first place.

It was after "Ray of Light" that I didn't care for her next album releases. But, Confessions On The Dance Floor was a nice surprise, then Madonna went downhill again.

MDNA was very disappointing.

Give Me All Your Lovin was terrible, pretty much a throwaway song. I don't even think Madonna tried hard to record a good song with MDNA. Hard Candy had a few good songs, but Madonna could have done better.

Madonna could redeem herself with a great album release. She needs to get serious with music again, and not getting in the news for showing her gold grills.

Like a Virgin

Agree with R92. The sight of her flopping around on stage with no rhythm, vocal skill or style on the Grammys, and at the same time obviously focusing on remembering her "choreography," was a precursor to everything else she has ever done. She was a self-marketer at a time when the competition was low, and that's what her entire career has capitalized on. But she was "that turd" from the moment she started.

She very nearly lost me with American Life, that was her lowest ebb ever. Until now.

She lost her connection to the public after the adoptions and has gotten even worse since. The British accent may have gone but was replaced with some unfortunate drastic surgeries and toddler boyfriends.

It all changed after Sex. Then in came the kaballah and she went from bitchy but fun cunt to preachy hypocritical cunt. She's now nearly 60 and a heritage act and needs to accept that.

The music and tours are for hardcore fans only at this point. I don't see a way for her back unless she plays the nostalgia game, since warmth was never her greatest strength.

I never liked her much to begin with. I had the rare pleasure of waiting on her and SP in a store back in the mid 1980s. Both were very nasty, strange and stuck on themselves. I don't have her albums. Not a fan, never was and never will be.

R95 more details on what they were like? What did they say?

Honestly I think if more Vadge fans were to interact with her, they'd be instantly turned off. She really is a hypocrite of the highest order-preaching love and blah blah but is a raging bitch in real life.

it comes and goes, the Sex book and erotica just seemed dumb but she roped me back with Ray of Light and the Grammy performace of "Hung Up"

I got over her when I was 11-years-old, back in 1993. My parents bought the soundtrack from 'The Bodyguard' and I remember that I thought "Madonna is shit compared to this". I never looked back. She can't sing, dance or act, and is a mediocre songwriter at best - which makes her success all the more outrageous. Especially when you think about the fact that people who are actually talented fade into obscurity, while she remains "relevant" thanks to cheap shock tactics and shameless self-promotion.

Like R75, I didn't become a fan until 1990.

For me it was the combo of Justify My Love, her doing Vogue on the MTV music awards in period costumes and the movie Truth or Dare.

For the life of me, I could never understood why the extent of her popularity was the way it was in the 1980s.

I was a huge fan of Madge until better acts like Britney Spears, Beyoncé, Jessica Simpson, Rhianna and Kelly Clarkson came along and showed how passé Madonna was. She deservedly had her thunder stolen. In all fairness, she had her day and a lot of success, but her day ended somewhere around 1999. She should have retired gracefully at that time. But no, she'll keep touring and releasing sub-par albums until she's 85 and looking more pathetic with every passing year.

I still love her old (good) stuff.

[quote]I never got the big fuss about Ray of Light.

Thank you! I never understood the hype about this album either. There were some good songs on it, but it was this album was the beginning of the end. To this day she has not let go of the shitty generic electronic sound that she became obsessed with during Ray of Light.

Her last good album was Bedtime Stories. Great adult contemporary album with an R&B feel. Her voice also sounded decent on it.

So I would say the late 90's when all the Kabbalah shit/fake British accent shit/Guy Ritchie shit/faux proper English lady shit was when I was done with her.

Disco cunt!

Has she bothered to take guitar lessons, or was all of that just a passing fad sort of thing? I mean, if she had any brains, she'd have Charo coach her and try to turn herself into a decent musician!

I never understood the gay male obsession with that Madonna idiot. In the '80s, her mechanical, soulless disco shit drove me running for Metallica and Guns N' Roses. I was the odd-man out at the time, as every other gay dude I knew loved that vapid disco corn.

Her music tends to become "dated" very quickly. You can't listen to her '80s stuff without thinking, "eighties!" You can't listen to her '90s stuff without thinking, "nineties!"

Likewise, you can't listen to anything she has done since 2000 without thinking, "SHIT!"

[quote]I mean, if she had any brains, she'd have Charo coach her and try to turn herself into a decent musician!

Charo shows her how La Isla should be done.

In the 'Sex' book when she talked about hating fat people. Fuck you, bitch. She must post on DL.

Anyone who is not over her by 2013 is just a moron. With all the info out there about her, and comparing her "talent" to others, she really sucks both as an entertainer and a human being. Those who continue to support and give money to her are pathetic.

[quote]In the 'Sex' book when she talked about hating fat people.

What did Rosie think of that?

about ten days after the wedding

Everything after Confessions, I just could not get into it. Her opening number for that tour is still pretty incredible.

i couldn't see the charo video in ny

Madonna is an act. It's a pop act. Music is secondary since she's not really a singer. Hers is an act from music videos early days. She will end up in Vegas .

The "Music" album from 2000 is when I got over her. That album was such a piece of robotic shit with stupid lyrics and when I realized how talentless she truly was. Every song on that album had her vocals put through a vocoder and Autotuned to death, and she's done that with her vocals ever since.

Oh, and that was also when she showed how fake she was when she married that homophobe Guy Ritchie and ignored her gay fans for years until her career was in the shitter and then she wanted to come crawling back pandering to them.

Right after the first time I saw her perform.

First time I heard her--1984, I think.

[quote]Defending Eminem is what made me hate her guts.

Did you feel the same way towards Elton John, as well?

She became a joke with "Body of Evidence". She was clearly trying to be Sharon Stone, and that was sad.

Body of Evidence is an interesting film to watch to study actors. I just saw it recently and I was struck with how genuinely bad Madonna is yet somehow Julianne Moore with the same script and director and everything manages to be really good. (or as good as anyone can be under the circumstances.)

I never "got" her from the beginning. She was a not particularly attractive, not particularly talented figure who was very good at drawing attention to herself. I could never understand what made some people think she was all that.

What? You didn't like her failed attempt to be the lady of the English manor/Town and Country with that fake British accent even though she is from Detroit?

I was never under her, OP.

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Oh, so this is the thread where a bunch of bitter queens ramble on about why they hate Madonna. Nothing to see here...

R122 Vadge, shouldn't you be in your bathroom playing dress up and taking more stupid selfies?

I never liked that whore.

Kabbalah. Done. Crazy. No different than Scientology at the level she works at.

That electronic digitized disco-ey sounding music that the Brits like did her no favors.

OMG, the 25 posters who said they were never under her are SO clever, I'm thinking of troll-daring them so I can follow every smart quip that comes out of their minds.

after MUSIC

When she got up on her high horse after marrying Guy Ritchie.

Proclaimed, in her fake British accent, that she was moving to the UK because it was unsafe to raise her children here.

Fast forward a couple of months...someone breaks into her house in the middle of the night, while they're all sleeping, burgles the place, takes her car keys & steals her car.

If that's not a karmic kick in the cunt, I don't know what is.

R98 sounds like I could've posted it.

I didn't become a fan of hers until around the time of Truth or Dare, the Justify My Love video and her doing "Vogue" on the MTV Music Awards (although I thought the Sex book was really stupid).

Some of us always thought she was a complete phony whose talent had nothing to do with musicianship and everything to do with her aggression and ability to market herself.

She takes credit for other artists' work. And it's so blatant. I thought maybe Ray of Light was original, but even that was stolen.

The writer of the song, Curtiss Maldoon, sued her and won. She's been sued so many times.

L I E S @ r132. Maldoon was credited as a writer in the album's booklet. There was no lawsuit.

From the December 1998 issue of SPIN:

"Muldoon's niece Christine Leach later updated it [Sepheryn], and sold the rights to Madonna and William Orbit after Muldoon died."

R131 is right.

r133 she got sued for not paying royalties to Maldoon while he was still alive. it has nothing to do with giving him credit.

She's been sued in courts all over the world for ripping off other artists.

i meant to his estate, he died in 1976.

(...I'm looking at you, Janet...)

Say it 3x in a mirror and IT will appear...

😨

I only liked her first album - I forget the name - and that Susan Seidelman film she was in. Only time her and my sense of the zeitgeist were in sync.

I had been hoping she would die in a grease fire.

She is ridiculous now because she lives in a bubble. But one thing I can relate too is the question of are you supposed give up the music you grew up with after a cetain age? I started listening and dancing to house and all types of dance music when I was 17 (1987) and I still love it but now that I 'm getting older (43] I somehow am supposed to not like it anymore because it's "young" music. Society says you shouldn't care about new music after a certain age. I'm not even going to get into how you are supposed to dress.

She needs to move to different avenues. She's middle aged, but trying to stay revelant by thinking she's hip and stylish. But then she turns off most go her fans, who are middle-aged themselves.

I'm irritated and bored by performers who say "worship me", "I'm the queen", etc. while they grind against their high end bathroom fixtures. I don't worship anybody. So lame.

Her cover of American Pie killed it for me.

Yeah, I agree: Madge pretty much jumped-the-shark when she latched on to Brittany like a drowning victim grabbing for a life raft: it made her look desperate.

Living For Love y'all!

[quote]Yeah, I agree: Madge pretty much jumped-the-shark when she latched on to Brittany like a drowning

. . . Murphy?

Truth or Dare exposed her shitty personality and ruined all of her mystique for me.

When she started using the death of Michael Stewart as a PR opportunity.

'91 For me, she peaked with Justify My Love. When I was younger, I didn't realize This Used To Be My Playground, Erotica and Bedtime Stories were actually good. So now, I guess I would say '95. But her '90s stuff still didn't compare to her '80s stuff.

I love her now more than ever. There, I said it.

She's the definition of an attention whore. And shows all signs of being a pure sociopath. But, you know, most people have their eyes wide shut.

And she looks like she smells.

EVERYONE is over Flopdonna. Even after performing at The Brit Awards on going on The Jonathan Ross show, her awful single "Living for Love" BOMBED in the UK, entering the UK Singles Chart at an embarrassing #26! LMAO!

Jesus Christ. That psycho cunt Jabba's resorted to calling her Flopdonna.

You seriously need help Jabba.

R152 is not me, R153, but your thinking that he IS me is more proof that I am on your mind 24/7, which is flattering but creepy because...well...it's you. I also wholeheartedly share R152's sentiments.

r152 has posted the same thing in every single Madonna thread his drug-addled mind could find.

Let's look at it from another perspective.

It charted at #26 after only 3 days of sales and it's her 71st (!) top 40 song in the UK.

[quote][R152] has posted the same thing in every single Madonna thread his drug-addled mind could find.

Drugs? No, that's your precious Vadge's territory.

Wasn't she an ecstasy abuser at one point?

Flopdonna! LMAO!

Lookin' For Love is currently lookin' for a place on the charts, but up until now it has yet to find one.

[quote]Exactly when did you get over Madonna?

1983

The day this little bitch was born

She's still better than all the current pop tarts out there. Beyonce's the only one who comes close, but she doesn't have as many big hits.

LOL, R162 is DE-LU-SION-AL.

Lookin' For Love is currently lookin' for a place on the charts, but up until now it has yet to find one. by: JDJ"

Ms. Jackson, you're last lead single peaked at #114 in the UK way back in 2008. It's been even longer since you had a top 10 song on the Hot 100. Madonna had one in 2012.

LOL at Janbot aka r163 calling anyone else delusional.

Octber 6, 1982.

Janet's last Hot 100 #1 was in 2001. Madonna's was in 2000. Janet's was more recent. Janet wins.

Since 2000 Janet has had 2 singles on the Hot 100 top 10. Madonna has had 6.

Plus, Madonna is a global star, so even when her albums underperform they STILL sell more than Janet's!

Janet, GLOBAL superstar:

Still holds the record for fastest sellout of the Tokyo Dome

Began her Velvet Rope tour in Europe, where it sold out everywhere

Has legions of fans in South Africa, Asia, Australia and South America

Has had Danish and Russian fan clubs dedicated to her

Witness as Janet is mobbed by fans as she arrives in Australia for the janet. tour...

!

Janet's German fans go WILD in this clip...

^^Danish fans...

I'm so sick of this shit.

I was never a huge Madonna fan. That's probably because I started watching MTV when Madonna was in her Music/English Duchess era and I didn't really like the music nor the stuff I read about her in the tabloids. All the albums she released after that were even worse. But listening to some of her older songs (Live to Tell, Frozen, Like a Prayer/Virgin, Vogue, Sanctuary...) makes me understand why she was so big back in the day - she was actually making some really good pop music and even though she was always pretentious/annoying/attention whoring, her music at least made up for it. But the moment she stoped making quality music she became a joke. But even though some of her older stuff was very good it's obvious that she would never become that big without all the crazy antics. Unfortunately she just didn't know when to stop with all the gimmicks (just like Lady Caca) and her attempts at staying relevant are getting more and more pathetic.

She's just a mouse studying to be a rat

holiday.

When she kissed britney spears on tv

She is the toast of Cuba this week for her Birthday Celebracions.

Post divorce from Ritchie, with the mid-life crisis and boy toys. It was all downhill. She can still turn out a good well produced tune, mind you.

Tuesday July 16,1996 at 4:09pm...

When Mariah came out with "Vision Quest"

The concert tour following "Confessions On A Dance Floor". She was late by 2 hours, she was having dinner in Detroit's Greektown. Did not mind her being late a few years earlier in Manhattan... But Detroit? I think her dad was in the Detroit audience show, so she subsituted the 14 minute masterbating scene with a 14 minute nap on stage. She tripped on a jump rope and told us she would make it up to is later. The. Confessions tour had her land in a space ship in the intro... The show a few years later was the pitts... A shallow hommage to Kieth Harring, a Vegas limo etc. She is smart though, the country almost went under with the housing crisis, what I paid 40 for in Detroit cost 300 a few years earlier.. Why should she have put much effort or money into a show that was not going to make her rich. She got the money again with later tours. All artists have only so many tricks in their bag and usually a limited amount of years when God let's the joy flow out, that is early to mid-Madonna. Somewhere she went off track.

I stopped caring during the break after Bedtime Stories. I was starting to get into grunge/alternative/indie, and by the time her next thing came out, I had become 100% Rock and roll and would've been mortified to maintain my fandom.

I was 10 when I became a fan because of "Like a Prayer" (the video controversy caught my interest, and then I worked backwards) and fifteen when I started to get better/weirder taste in music.

Nothing to do with the quality of her output, which I guess has always been slight. Just me growing up.

It's funny how briefly I was a Madonna fan. It felt like a lifetime at the time, like all things do when you're a kid. But I've been a fan of so many other musicians and songwriters and bands way, way longer than I was a fan of Madonna.

1983

When she decided not to age gracefully and got all that bad plastic surgery.

First time I heard her. Like a Virgin.

R157 No, she was only ever a moderate user. It's one of the few drugs that's pretty hard to abuse.

A 2012 Zombie thread, Janbot?

C'mon, you can do better than that!

When I heard the story of her being incredibly mean to actress Gabby Hoffman who was only a small child at the time...Cunt!

I also lost interest in her "Lady of the Manor" phase. She got thrown off her horse during a photo shoot and I noticed I was cheering for the horse.

I always thought she had a ridiculous side starting with "Like a Virgin," but I always thought she was cool until she released "Erotica," which i thought was awful and pretentious, with the "Sex" book, which I thought was ridiculously unsexy. That's when I decided I was tired of her as a performer and thought she was just a humorless tool. I still liked her music through "Ray of Light," though--that was her last song I liked.

Two parts: A. When her arms got so worked out she began to look like an ape (the video where she is driving the Rolls in an evening gown.) Her body fat was so low she looked aged even though she must have been in early- to mid- thirties.

When she married Guy Ritchie. It was the first time I remember openly pitying her for having to be in the spotlight still - looking ridiculous for her age - on such an occasion. Specifically I remember plaid in a limo?

From there all the way to the grille on Instagram it has just been awkward.

When she married that English chav and became a British housewife. Everything 2000 on has been horrendous with her. She should have retired January 1, 2000 with some dignity.

Bump

Everything after Ray of Light. I always thought she was a mean cunt though. She is just not likable as a person.

I was never UNDER her.

After Ray of Light. It all went straight downhill after that. She married Guy Ritchie, moved to Britain, hooked up with that no-talent French producer and became batshit crazy with that Kabbalah crap.

1985

“I want to be good to my body. I don’t want to stay in the sun too much and eat lots of crappy food and I want to exercise because I want to stay healthy and look good for as long as possible. But I don’t sit here wondering if I’ll still be making videos when I’m 50. I hope that I’ll have three children and that they’ll be the center of my life, not being on MTV.”

-Madonna in 1994.

Never. How can one be over Madonna? I can’t m. I may not like certain aspects of her career but has always been a fan regardless

1987, when I discovered she treated her fans like garbage and everyone else within her orbit. She is petty, stingy, mean and obnoxious.

When she went back to promoting fur in the mid 80s. For two minutes she was against it and I liked her.

I'm starting to realize that all these bitches are just narcissistic whores without an ounce of real care for anyone but themselves. I mean, I've always known this, but they are becoming more craven with time, I find, more transparent.

It's probably superficial on my part, but I think it was the cover and title (including that awful font) of Hard Candy that dd it. It just looked shockingly slapdash and lazy for an artist of her caliber. I'd had my ups and downs with her over the years, but that was the first album I had absolutely no curiosity about at all.

That tasteless, tacky "Sex" book that fell to pieces if you picked it up three times.

The first time I saw her, in the video for "Burning Up", on MTV, in 1983.

The Marilyn Monroe-esque look initially piqued my interest, but by the end of the video, I realized there was nothing there.

I never got what all the fuss was about.

I do admire the hustle, though, and the way she unapologetically fucked a bunch of famous guys in order to maintain public interest in her career...eventually turning her career into this sort of weird, meta-statement on female sexuality and its power, and society's reaction to it. Respect.

When she moved to England and abandoned her home country.

"Ray of Light" got me over her. "Bedtime Stories" was her last good album. She still had an edge and the music was great. "Ray of Light" is so pedestrian to me -- too pop, too mainstream -- and she never came back. In the late 90s, there were too many other artists making better music, she became just another face in the crowd

I wonder when she will release another album?How did her last one fare commercially?

Whatever tour it was where she attached herself to a huge cross (on stage). I understand people mine stuff, like a strict Catholic upbringing, for creative purposes. But when I saw a cross, yet again, I thought enough already. That felt like recycling.

Also, when she started being a fan of Britney Spears, kissing BS and Christina Aguilera on the mouth (then Drake). It did feel like Madonna was trying to suck the youth out of these people and transfer it to herself.

And, yes, that Hard Candy album cover did look cheap and slapped together in 24 hours.

The second chorus of Holiday.

20th anniversary? Erotica was released 29 years ago...

Listening to Madonna was like getting a box of chocolates, biting into one and tasting sawdust.

“No other artist has a repertoire like hers.”

And this is why I think Madonna fans are morons.

I like Madonna but she's best in small doses and it's best to ignore her social media. Her music has sucked major balls since COADF and the public lost interest in her. Her fans on Datalounge are very annoying especially if they put down other female artists. Madonna is a great entertainer but she is not an artist. Her job is being a pop star and that's why her attempts at being a serious musician are laughable. She's very intelligent and knew how to reinvent herself and assemble a great team of producers and songwriters. Her 80s and 90s albums were great and I give her credit for always having control of her career and working with the best talent. Madonna contributed a lot to pop culture but she contributed barely anything to actual music. Madonna was popular mostly because on her performances and image. Janet, Paula, Britney

To be fair, I don't consider Elvis, Whitney, Michael Jackson, Celine, Diana and Beyoncé to be artists either. But they are just singers but they definitely influenced many people in both singing style and visual presentation.

James Brown, Joni Mitchell, Odetta, Bob Dylan, Prince, Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Tracy Chapman and Jill Scott though, those are artists.

*Same with Janet, Paula, Britney, Kylie and Aaliyah.

[quote]20th anniversary? Erotica was released 29 years ago...

This thread was started in 2012

When she started looking like a Fellini movie. Ugh. Poor thing.

A little over two decades ago when her music went to shit.

Madonna is ridiculously stubborn. If she went back to an uplifting sound like this and stopped trying to be a weird artiste then she could win a lot of people back.

She served poison American Pie from yet another disappointing film outing and I said no more. Confessions was the last music of hers that I found remotely enjoyable for a long player.

Finally when you decided to upload your 41st or so post asking us all the same thing over and over.

Madonna's stock plummeted when she released that shitty cover of American Pie in conjunction with the release of that shitty movie The Next Best Thing. She slightly recovered with Music, but I officially abandoned her with American Life. She was essentially dead in my book until the single Die Another Day was released, and she rose like a phoenix from the ashes with Confessions on a Dance. However, it was all a bait and switch. Hard Candy was so horrendous I officially became a detractor.

Madonna is a fucking joke. However, her work from 1984-1998 was flawless. She started teetering in the early 2000s, and I hoped she'd regain her mojo. Alas, she chose to become a caricature of Norma Desmond's crackhead sister.

I never "got her." Always figured she was a no talent joke who always had a "gimmick" to keep herself in the news. Now she's an old bag that should be reading her Medicare booklet.

DIE ANOTHER DAY came before AMERICAN LIFE, R223.

Did you ever get your answer about why Madonna shits all over Janet Jackson every single time in every single category of comparison OP/Janbot?

Surely you don't want us to list all the reasons Janet Jackson is total failure again do you Shartbot?

Fried fish 🐠

I got over her in 1983.

Pretty much right away.

It just happened naturally. When Music was released I realised I didn't care to even buy it. I had enjoyed Ray of Light, and thought "Beautiful Stranger" was a great little song but then just stopped caring. I did enjoy some of her stuff after that, like Confessions, but really, I was nowhere near as interested in her as I had been. When the buzz for Hard Candy was coming out and it was all about her working with Timberland and Pharrell it just seemed so unlike her, so desperate for hits, and then Timberland was all: "we were creating music that will remind listeners of "Holiday" and "Lucky Star"" which is always a warning sign that the upcoming album is no good. I just sort of rolled my eyes and moved on.

How did I get over?

Not when this thread started in my 20s.

Not when the latest response ^was posted in my 40s.

And not now.

BITCH

At the time of the inane Dick Tracy and the affair with old corpse Warren. It was like Doris Duke & Barbara Hutton marrying Porfirio Rubirosa.

How was this thread NOT closed?

The hatred for Madonna on this site can never be stopped or closed.

This year is the 30TH anniversary of Erotica.

Movie-wise: Desperately Seeking Susan (though Body of Evidence was good for a laugh).

Music-wise: Ray of Light. I still like almost all the tracks. The singles Music and Hung Up were admittedly fun (though I guess Abba deserves all the credit for the latter).

After she became Mrs Richie. The house of cards fell for me, but her faux feminist shtick was deeply influential when I was growing up. Although looking back she really wasn’t feminist, just individualist and a user for convenience, but I appreciate that she talked about AIDS, made being gay okay, challenged the Catholic Church, etc. It was good counter knowledge given my family background. There were other people who were influential too, but I would have died for Madonna as a kid.

I haven't. I still find her fascinating and understand that she's just living out her journey however she likes.

Confessions on a Dance Floor was the last album I could stomach.

Her last decent song was music..

When Madame X came out. I can’t imagine how she’s going to recover from that flop.

At least Gaga nullified the awfulness of Joanne when she released Chromatica, a true return to form.

The Sex book.

As a gen Xer, when grunge came in and then discovering Massive Attack and Portishead

But the seeds were sown in Truth or Dare with her little prayer circles and her talk about being an artist. Um, no. Just a hustler who demands attention and money for being slutty, nasty and rude. People are shocked, they like her music and they pay her. Plus all her other weird behaviour in the film

And I was even excited when Massive Attack did a version of I Want You, collaborating with her. Waste of energy. It was pretentious horseshit and I blamed her. Glomming onto the latest cool act. I hope they let her make it shit to spite her

It's good to hear her old stuff on certain radio stations, but not as good as hearing ACDC, Nirvana, INXS, Led Zep, Soundgarden or Pearl Jam because they haven't done the stupid stuff other people in the thread have referred to. Gushed over Eminem. Fake British persona after marring a homophobe. Fox hunting after being a vegetarian? Bagged out her home country, intense immersion in secretive religion only to drop it, to go back on her own will by using drugs and alcohol and continually flaunting their use, ridiculous surgery, filters and photoshop, etc, etc

Truth or Dare. She came across as boring, not smart and humorless. Until then I thought she was smart and fun. She isn’t.

secret!

[quote]As a gen Xer, when grunge came in and then discovering Massive Attack and Portishead

As someone on the cusp of GenX/GenY, this is pretty much how things happened for me too. Discovering grunge/alternative music in the 90s.

OP, this week's NFT was the last straw for me. I don't want to see any more pictures of her. Her music is still (I would argue) the best pop catalogue in history but she really doesn't make it easy to revist those hits.

I was just thinking about something. The Freddie Mercury tribute concert in the early 90s got 1 billion tv viewers. Michael Jackson's death crashed the internet and 2.5 billion watched his memorial service. Would 100 million people even care if Madonna died now? 2008 through today has been nothing but a long road down for her.

[quote] l better acts like Britney Spears, Jessica Simpson, Rhianna

Holy fuck

This week's NFT effort took famewhoring to a whole new depth. I'm curious how her fans will justify it.

When she lost her nerve after the backlash over Erotica and then made Babyface records to woo back radio. I like some records she did after that, including RoL and Confessions On A Dancefloor, but i ceased to be a fan of hers as she'd been shown up as a fake and an empty fame whore.

[quote] This week's NFT effort took famewhoring to a whole new depth. I'm curious how her fans will justify it.

Their excuse is "it's for charity".

I know Madonna runs the show but Guy Oseary has been one of the worst things to happen to her career. He's a horrible manager.

Interesting, R249, I had that same thought after she cancelled the original "American Life" video, especially as it's probably the only decent thing she did during that entire period. I remember thinking at the time: "The old Madonna wouldn't have caved in like this". And then she went and kissed Britney and Christina on stage which was such a lame attempt at controversy (and even more ridiculous that in the US people actually did think it was controversial). Then she became a bit of a joke, desperately singing "Hollywood" all over the place as though it was some big hit.

When that mustachioed unibrow baby dropped out of her cunt