- So a more closeted gay man was hired for the role instead of Bomer?
- I like him but isn't he Rob Lowe v.2
- Whether or not that's the case R1, I don't doubt the sort of shit Collins is commenting on is very real.
- [quote] 'It’s a sad fact of life. So a lot of them get married, have a couple of kids and pretend to be straight.'
Yeah, like her former brother-in-law, Anthony Newley.
- "And you can read all about a thinly disguised Matt in my latest novel, Hollywood Gays."
- But seriously, if Collins wrote a tell-all, it would impact Hollywood more than Julia Phillips' book ever did.
The stuff she's gotta know.
- I think this will change once the Boomers die off and the Gen Xers assume even more control.
All the GenX women I know tend to think a man's being gay just makes him more desirable.
- Everyone basically knows this, I remember it being discussed here on DL when it happened... but it doesn't actually do Matt any good if Jackie Collins starts talking about it. Matt Bomer's career is 1000x better than the guy who actually got to play Superman, Brandon Routh, who is now playing a gay character on CBS.
The way I understood it happening was this: batshit crazy Jon Peters was producing, Brett Ratner was directing. The studio wanted Josh Hartnett, but he turned it down (they were offering him like $40 million). Then they narrowed it down to Paul Walker, Brendan Fraser and Matt Bomer, who had been on Guiding Light for about a year. Paul Walker dropped out, and it was down to the two, they did screentests, and Ratner selected Matt. He gave his decision to Jon Peters and Peters refused, so Ratner quit the project. I have no idea how Peters found out, as a former hairdresser and Barbra Streisand's boyfriend perhaps his gaydar was fine-tuned, or maybe there is some sort of vetting process when casting unknown actors for major motion pictures which basically consists of the question "Is he gay?"
But anyhow, Ratner was replaced with McG and Bomer was still allegedly up for consideration, although because of the rumors it was unlikely he would be a serious candidate again. Finally McG left the project and Peters was running out of hack directors, so the Abrams script was scrapped and Bryan Singer was brought in along with a new script, and Brandon Routh was cast.
Of course Singer is openly gay, and while the film is in production some idiot writes a news article talking about how Singer was going to make the film with a gay sensibility and Peters goes crazy, so he brings Joel Silver in to consult on how to degay the picture. (It might have been in postproduction at this point, I don't remember)
But anyway, back to what Collins is saying, the issue here wasn't "women who want to worship somebody," but men who wouldn't accept a gay actor in such an iconic role. If Bomer's sexuality had gotten out it would have been a huge complication in marketing the film to young males and children (it was essentially a toy commercial, with Peters suggesting characters to the director simply because he thought they would make a good toy.) As awful as it sounds, Peters was essentially being pragmatic in choosing not to cast a gay actor. The movie would have needed to gross around $400 million worldwide just to break even and that's not a risk anyone in Hollywood would take.
If you want to read a summary of the script, you can find it below. It's a complete hack job that envisions Krypton as a Naboo-like planet (remember this was just after Episode I) and climaxes with Superman dying, going back to Krypton and basically being argued out of dying by Jor-El.
- Here's the actual script
- Superman II was one of my favorite movies but I had to walk out of this version. I wouldn't have cared IF Christopher Reeve had been gay or straight; he was totally believable with Lois Lane as a safe romantic fantasy. That's the way Hollywood SHOULD cast.
- Wow! R8 Sounds like you have a lot of inside information. Great stuff. I've heard that Routh knows his way around a casting couch. I think things are changing with kids now. I know my nephews are cool, and have been since they were young. Things are changing so fast. I definitely see a time in the near future when gay actors are popular in straight romantic or iconic roles. Matt Bomer has a bright career ahead of him.
- [quote]basically being argued out of dying by Jor-El.
These pseudo Nigerian-sci-fi names just sound fake fake fake
- Routh I think was very unfairly targeted with gay rumors because of Singer's association, because he had a bit part on "Will & Grace" and because his nickname was BJ. Anyone who knows Bryan Singer knows BJ is not his type (see below). BJ for what it's worth is married to actress Courtney Ford ("True Blood") and recently had his first child.
- And didn't he do that hilarious scene with Justin Long in Zack and Miri make a Porno? He actually doesn't ping for me but I love his choice of roles.
- Who does Courtney Ford play on True Blood.
- Brandon is incredibly nice. I've had the pleasure of meeting him a few times.
Great energy and gay friendly. I'd love to say hi pings, but didn't get that at all.
- If the script is a hack job, then he's better off not doing it.
- Since when was Anthony Newley gay? I thought he was a pussy hound.
- Does she know that Henry Cavill is gay?
- Jackie Collins? Are we still to believe she has A-List contacts and sources?
- I think Brandon Routh took a lot of unnecessary blame for Superman Returns. He did the best he could with a piss poor script. I don't think anyone could have done anything better with that script and the casting of Lois Lane was awful.
As for Matt Bomer, it appears as though it is a running theme in his career that he's up for roles but loses them because he's gay. This is why he glass closeted himself when he booked 'White Collar'. If Bomer were straight he would be the current Hollywood It Boy. It is shame that his career isn't bigger, but that's bigotry for you.
- Prior to his role as Superman, Routh was on One Life To Live. He was very wooden and I was very surprised he was cast as the lead in a feature film. The problem with bad actors like Routh is that they are unable to take a script and make it their own.
I disagree with r21. Superman tanked in part because of Superman. A good actor can take a bad script/film and make it his own. Routh has neither the talent nor the experience to do that.
- It's not so much bigotry as lack of imagination, r21.
On the part of both the casting people and the audience.
- Routh is the best part of that new sitcom he's on. (plus it helps that everyone else on the show is doing impressions of Norma Desmond and or Tevye.)
- Jackie is an old drunk and never tips
- [quote]'It’s a sad fact of life. So a lot of them get married, have a couple of kids and pretend to be straight.'
When in fact, they're bi.
- keep tellin yourself that r26....no such thing as....well you know
- If they're happily screwing the little lady, they ain't gay.
- who said anything about happily screwing? In hollywood they have people to do that kind of thing.
- I was actually surprised at Routh's Superman performance. I thought he did a decent job as Clark Kent and Superman. I am not sure anyone could have overcome the lack of story, miscast Lois, a kid no one wanted, and a Lex who was not menacing until no one cared anymore. Ruth and Parker Posey were the best of the cast. Spacey showed in one scene that he might have been good - but overall was meh.
- "It’s a sad fact of life. So a lot of them get married, have a couple of kids and pretend to be straight."
Don't forget the part about converting to Scientology, Jackie!
Btw, what is up with the Bieber reference? Is she trying to tell us something?
- Didn't stop Christopher Reeve from getting it.....
- [quote]If Justin Bieber said he was gay, he’d lose all his little girl fans.
That's what her generation think, but it's way outdated thinking. He might lose some fans, sure, but not all. And if he never bearded in the first place, it would be even less of an issue. Lots of young girls LOVE the gays.
BTW, what's the source of that Collins quote? Link?
- [quote]...but it doesn't actually do Matt any good if Jackie Collins starts talking about it.
So true. She needs to STFU and stop trying to get attention by mentioning the name of someone whose star is on the rise. Matt's career is on the up at the moment, and the last thing he needs is anyone painting him as a victim.
- It's all about marketing and target audiences. The big dollars come from two highly sought audience groups: Teenage girls/fraus (watching stuff like Twilight, or Jen Aniston romcom movies) and action oriented meatheads/nerds (watching stuff like The Transformers, James Bond, etc.).
When an actor wants to appeal to these audience groups you have to make them fall in love / identify with you. To this day being gay is considered a disadvantage for these particular audience groups in general since (according to public opinion) they can't relate to homosexuality in a favorable manner that will result in an action like buying tickets for a movie which has an openly gay man as lead in a movie aimed at teenage girls/fraus and action oriented meatheads/nerds.
To Hollywood profit speaks louder than anything else, like integrity, artistic vision, etc.
Even with Simon Hall at his side Matt Bomer deserves a great deal of respect to do that little step out of his glass closet (everybody in the industry knew he was in).
- I just hope the usual tabloids esp Eonline, don't pick up on this story
Talking of Eonline, it's like everytime they write about Matt, they want to put him in 'gay box' of some sort - I actually prefer how Perez and JustJared do it, no mention of the 'gay' word at all
- My vagina looks like two mudflaps made of fruit leather, but compared to my sister's it's a delicate orchid of loveliness.
- Please, Brandon Routh is a terrible actor with zero screen charisma. His failed career since Superman is a testament to that (Partners will be gone shortly.)
Anyone who thinks he didn't get a gigantic role like Superman on a half billion dollar project without fucking Bryan Singer and half the studio to land it is totally delusional and has no idea how Hollywood works.
- Did Jackie just "out" Timberlake?
- [quote] Lots of young girls LOVE the gays.
Exactly, and it's not even a recent phenomenon. Think of all the young female fans Boy George had. They knew he was gay, how could you miss it, beside he was never closeted aside from claiming to be bi before coming out completely 5 yrs into his career. He never lost a single fan for confirming what everyone already knew.
- What's Jackie's angle here? Why was the comment made by her (in what context) in the first place? Is she promoting something?
- Even if Brandon Routh did fuck Singer (which I can't picture, seriously, the guy goes through more chicken than the Tyson deboning facility), there are so many checks and balances in the studio system (as detailed in the post at r8) that he couldn't have gotten the role without impressing a lot of people. He did fine in the role.
Take a moment to read the script at r9, it's so impossibly bad, not only in the execution of the myth but in it's description of scenes and completely paint-by-numbers dialogue. Goes to show you what kind of town Hollywood is that somebody said, "Let's spend $200 million on this!" Oh, and Jimmy is gay for no particular reason.
R15 She was Portia Bellefleur.
- Why no mention of all the guys I boned for my part?
- Most PR images (past and present) are sexualized. When you sell someone as straight and you get an 'ooopsie daisy, turns out I'm gay!' then of course people who bought into the fake PR image feel betrayed and move on to some other fake PR image to buy into (not that the stupid masses ever learn their lesson plus a new generation of easy impressionable kids gets to spend their pocket money every new day in every new year).
A great deal of people don't get that most celebs' public image is as fake as the fictional characters they play in movies, TV shows, or the songs they are singing/performing.
- I believe Kate Bosworth got her part on Spacey's recommendation or insistence (the studio really, really wanted Spacey for this part, and Kate was his costar in "Beyond the Sea") so she would have gotten this role thanks to a man who would never touch her. She was, of course, horribly miscast.
- I liked Brandin Routh as Superman.I actually enjoyed the film.
Obviously by the sounds of it I was one of the few who did .
BTW Brandon was beautiful.Mind you so is Matt Bomer.l
- I always wondered why a supposedly powerful director like Bryan Singer would work again with Spacey who stole one of his boytoys during filming of The Usual Suspects?
- Please. It was a boytoy. Not a boyfriend. And once the toy aged out of Bryan's preferred age bracket I'm sure he felt it was all semen under the bridge.
- r49. Have you ever heard of a thing called ego? Michael Bay for example has his fair share of ruined careers he caused for people who he felt betrayed him.
- Anyone who thinks Routh fucked Singer to get the part has absolutely no clue about Singer and what he goes for. Routh got the part because of his resemblance to Christopher Reeve. He wasn't bad in the part, everything around him was awful
- r50, Bryan Singer and friends pass around boys the same way they would any party favor. If Singer got miffed over someone taking away his fuck, he wouldn't have those infamous pool parties.
- Bryan Singer jealous for Spacey stealing his boy toy? Please, Bryan had already forgotten the kid's name while he was still ejaculating inside him.
- Guys like Singer may not care about their fucktoys, but they sure care about their ass getting disrespected, humiliated, and getting sneered at behind their backs (= ego). But then if rumors are true Singer is or at least was heavy into drugs (which caused a huge stink at the X-Men sequel with Halle Berry causing the main trouble for Singer on set).
- So glad Matt is not involved, Superman roles are dead ends. Can't wait til the movie is released and more comes out about Henry's year in LA in 2006. Straight guy loving Fan girls will freak!
I agree with you.
Fangurls, especially middle-aged, are so gullible that I almost feel for them.
- R56 No more gullible than half the comments I've read on this thread.
When you're married to a top Hollwyood agent, you're not going to want for work. Unless of course you divorce him.
The "1000X" better remark was cute. It's obvious Matty has a few fangurls posting here, so we'll leave the reality checks alone.
- Routh is STILL wooden.
- [quote]When you're married to a top Hollwyood agent, you're not going to want for work.
Simon Halls is a publicist.
Talking to people who know nothing about show business is like talking to children.
- [quote]Singer is or at least was heavy into drugs (which caused a huge stink at the X-Men sequel with Halle Berry causing the main trouble for Singer on set).
More about this, please.
- December 2, 2002 -- Sequel is X-tremely stressed
THE fighting behind the scenes on the upcoming "X-Men 2" could rival any of the onscreen mutant battles audiences will be rushing to see when the flick comes out next spring.
According to a source close to the Fox production, as shooting drew to a close in Vancouver recently, the weary cast and crew were dealt a final curve ball when director Bryan Singer got "really [bleeped]-up" by taking a potent painkiller given to him by his driver and could not complete the day’s shoot.
While cast members such as Halle Berry, Hugh Jackman, Patrick Stewart and Rebecca Romjin Stamos grumbled about being thrown off schedule, says the tipster, producer Tom DeSanto angrily warned the driver that "if he ever did anything like that again, he would be fired."
When word got back to Singer about the threat, we’re told he tried to fire DeSanto, telling him to get himself on the next plane back to Los Angeles.
But, "Tom tells him only the studio can fire him and shows up to the set anyway," says our on-set tipster. "Bryan then refuses to come out of his trailer and all the actors get together and decide to call the studio and say that if Tom leaves, they’re leaving too."
A rep for Fox in Los Angeles says that Singer’s driver did indeed give him a painkiller for his bad hip, to which he "reacted badly" and "got woozy."
While confirming that DeSanto and Singer "did have a spat," the rep says that the cast never threatened to walk off the set.
"The cast got together to decide how to get the day finished, what they would shoot and when, if Bryan wasn’t coming back. They were antsy to leave."
According to our source, Singer responded to the vote of no confidence by confronting the actors and "berating" them. The source says that Berry replied to Singer’s tirade with a simple, "Kiss my black a-."
When a producer finally arrived and told cast members they could go home soon, they responded with wild applause.
Though the Fox flack was not certain whether the person who threatened to fire Singer’s driver was DeSanto, she stated that: "A close friend of Bryan’s went up to the driver not realizing that he had been trying to make a helpful gesture and not a hurtful gesture."
Singer’s agent could not be reached.
- [quote]there are women out there who want to worship somebody. If Justin Bieber said he was gay, he’d lose all his little girl fans. It’s a sad fact of life. So a lot of them get married, have a couple of kids and pretend to be straight.
There is plenty of opportunity for an out gay actor to have successful leading roles. Sir Ian McKellan and Neil Patrick Harris are two examples. But look at this paragraph she says, that I quoted here. The guys who go in the closet (Travolta, Cruise, etc.) want the job position [italic]of being worshipped[/italic]. The roles they seek are romantic leading man roles because they feel the need to compensate for what they feel is a weakness and be adored by the opposite sex.
- [quote] Neil Patrick Harris are two examples.
NPH Came Out AFTER he was on that sitcom where he plays a ladies man.
Would he have been cast as an out man in that role?
I don't think so.
- [quote]If Justin Bieber said he was gay, he’d lose all his little girl fans.
Adam Lambert has little girls fans, but what Justin is marketing isn't talent or singing as much as it is desire. That's why she is correct with this example. Adam markets his singing, Justin markets this concept of he could be your boyfriend.
- R62 everyone who pursues celebrity wants to be worshipped. Out actors are no exception. Look at the kind of photos Cheyenne Jackson poses for.
- I like Superman Returns and Brandon in it. I think he suited the role better than Bomer would've, and it has nothing to do with his being gay. Bomer's a little on the short and thin side to play a believeable Supes.
- R 62
- Routh was no more wooden than Reeve.
- r62, I wouldn't call either NPH or Ian McKellan leading men. I wouldn't even say they have had leading roles (at least, not in Hollywood). Maybe you could classify some of recent McKellan's roles that way, but even then, they're more like major roles in an ensemble cast.
Of all the out actors in Hollywood right now, I can't think of a single one that has (a) primarily a movie career, or (b) a career where he's seen primarily as a leading man. Bomer and MacFarlane (with his dramatic role in Brothers & Sisters) are probably the closest we're going to get for a while.
- Bomer is too short and not built for Superman, also Christopher Nolan wanted Henry Cavill for the part though the studio wanted someone more known.
- @R68. No, Christopher Reeve may have been wooden in his other film roles but he was NOT in his portrayal of Superman. He is as iconic to that role as Sean Connery is to James Bond.
- I've never understood why being a "leading actor" is so important (apart from the money). Daniel Day Lewis has never chosen stupid romatic roles for mentally retarded women and is a fantastic and successful actor. Or do you prefer Gerald Butler's career?
All this bullshit that being out damages careers is a poor excuse to justify bad gay actors.
- DDL is a great example, but he's practically a genius. Your run of the mill Hollywood hack actor is incapable of being him.
- r62 - brilliant analysis and I totally agree. There are plenty of jobs for gay men out there, and a great actor like McKellan can rise above any gossip or bs that is out there. The less talented people want to be CELEBRITIES, and that is why they are so fucked up. I really hate CELEBRITIES, period. Actors? I love 'em.
- I think being an A-List movie star is becoming a rather outdated concept for several reasons. #1 there just aren't as many star vehicles being made anymore, #2 the Internet has really chipped away at the false image that stars used to be able to project (i.e. Tom Cruise) and the public is not as gullible to the whole star-making machine and more cynical about it, #3 Cable TV is where the really good stories are these days and the ages-old division between movie and TV stars is a thing of the past. A star of a hit series is just as famous and on the same level of fame as a movie star is nowadays.
There are more reasons, I'm sure.
- It's very naive to say that someone as talented as Daniel Day-Lewis would have had the same kind of career if he was openly gay. His milieu is "he-man" roles like Last of the Mohicans, In The Name of the Father, The Boxer, Gangs of New York and There Will Be Blood, and occasional romantic roles like Unbearable Lightness of Being and The Age of Innocence. Would he still be able to do those roles effectively if he was a gay actor? Of course! Would they be offered to him? Probably not.
Ian McKellan essentially does "wise old owl" roles which don't require him to be especially masculine or sexual.
- The worst case of miscasting in the whole movie was Kate Bosworth's hair.
Routh's hair is horrible, too, and he seems to be wearing it the same way on "Partners," which is a ridiculous show. I once saw a pic of Routh with a short, spiky cut and he looked 100% better.
- I'm glad they didn't go with Bomar. Chris Reeves did a much better job as Superman. He WAS Superman.
- I agree that Kate's horrible lacefront wig was a total distraction. Couldn't they have just dyed her hair dark brown?
I disagree about Brandon's hair. I thought it was great, and just the right length for that slick, combed-over way Superman's hair is.
- "Cable TV is where the really good stories are these days and the ages-old division between movie and TV stars is a thing of the past. A star of a hit series is just as famous and on the same level of fame as a movie star is nowadays."
Not really. Dataloungers slobber over cable shows like Mad Men but those shows only get a few million viewers - not close to the number of audience members a movie would need to be a big hit.
- If that's true, than I will not pay to watch Man of Steel.
- [quote]I agree that Kate's horrible lacefront wig was a total distraction. Couldn't they have just dyed her hair dark brown?
The real distraction is Brandon's horribly fake blue contacts.
- Yeah, the contacts were bad. They should've gotten some lighter ones.
- R40, Are you old enough to remember Elton John? He still packs concerts in Vegas. It's really the match of the actor with the role that makes the difference. In the same vein how about all of the snickers when thespians are SUPPOSED to be almost rocket scientists, OK specialists with higher levels of education, and really trip over the lines and recondite words?
- Longish but excellent analysis of why "Superman Returns" was a terrible movie.
Also want to add that this movie and all of Bryan Singer's movies tend to be very visually ugly. Superman Returns was practically a vast sea of gray.
- Why the censorship on this site. Someone started a " I voted for Romney today" thread and it was removed. Censorship? Why ?
- Why the fuck would anyone want to pay $18 to be censored?
- [quote]Chris Reeves did a much better job as Superman.
Agree. But my fave will always be George Reeve.
- Sometimes I fear that Matt will just quit hollywood altogether and become a recluse because of the whole 'gay actor' thing.
I just wish Perez had ignored this 'superman' story. It's no wonder then that the closet cases would rather stay in their closets than risk their careers with this kind of scrutiny.
Simon should have stopped the presses that time that Matt mentioned him and the kids coz now the media wants to box his boy and they won't stop until he's like all the others before him. He was our new hope and if he fails, I don't know.....
- I do agree he's getting labeled "gay actor, Matt Bomer" far too often, R89. Whenever I see it I want to wring the fucking writer's neck.
- "I believe Kate Bosworth got her part on Spacey's recommendation or insistence (the studio really, really wanted Spacey for this part"
Now why would Spacey do that? He had no interest in her lady bits, and couldn't have possibly believed in her talent.
Maybe it's all those rumors that she's a big-time coke dealer? I would have thought that Singer would be more interested in that.
- [quote]'Matt Bomer, who is the most gorgeous looking guy and the star of White Collar, he was up for the role of Superman,'
[quote]'He had not come out of the closet but people in the know knew he was gay. His audition tape went in and he called up the agent. Someone didn’t like him and told them he was gay. They said, “No, no, we can’t cast you.” The reason he didn’t get cast was because he was gay.
Huh? I don't understand the venom towards Collins. SHE isn't the one who started this rumor about Bomer, and his sexuality was debated for years until he recently came out (or, was he outed?). Hell, DL has had running threads on him for ages.
The matter-of-fact gossip she spilled about him and the Superman role was good. For such a gossip-starved gossip site, this was the best dish I've read here in months, and frankly, I'd like more.
- Out of curiosity I rented the movie on Amazon... first time I've seen it since it was in theaters. It is astounding how bad Kate Bosworth is miscast. It's like they didn't even care about getting Lois Lane right... after all the trouble they went through to find the "perfect" Superman, they just cast anybody as Lois.
Singer so badly misinterprets not only the Superman myth but Donner's visuals - the movie's look as more in common with Tim Burton's Gotham City than with Donner's Metropolis - murky, crowded and depressing. It was filmed in Sydney and looks it - down to the Australian sandstone and eucalyptus.
- [quote]I'm glad they didn't go with Bomer. Chris Reeves did a much better job as Superman. He WAS Superman.
Even if they did go with Bomer, Chris Reeve would have still been the original Superman. Bomer wasn't being considered for THAT movie as he was probably about 12 at the time.
- [quote]Bomer wasn't being considered for THAT movie as he was probably about 12 at the time.
Ummmm... he was 1 when that movie was released.
- ....and Simon was 14.
- Everytime Matt Bomer fails to get a part, the actor who got it is charged with whoring around by DL.
Bomer being gay isn't the thing, the real culprit is his looks, Bomer looks too gay even for Superman.
Brandon Routh got the strong look of a classic Superman, once he came to audition they saw Superman.
Henry Cavil may have some gay rumors but he look less gay than Bomer.
- Believe it or not, Kate Bosworth is actually a huge star in the foreign market. Those vampire/werewolf movies she starred in were huge overseas (the Underworld movies). I expect the studio wanted her for that reason.
- LOL Bieber IS gay though it's obvious to everyone that's "family"-to borrow an eldergay 70s term, or us LGBT people.
- The difference is between good or bad actors and not between gay or straight. Obviously bad actors who count only on their looks, stay in the closet.
- [quote]Believe it or not, Kate Bosworth is actually a huge star in the foreign market. Those vampire/werewolf movies she starred in were huge overseas (the Underworld movies). I expect the studio wanted her for that reason.
Uh, Kate BECKINSALE did the UNDERWORLD films.
- "Henry Cavil may have some gay rumors but he look less gay than Bomer."
I don't see how one looks "gayer" than the other. They look the same. People always comment on how much they look alike. On some gossip rag site I actually saw a picture of Cavill mislabled, with the caption "Matt Bomer" under it!
- LOL R100, so that's why Cruise, Revolta, DiCraprio, and Tobey and other members of DiCraprio's "Pussy Posse" stay closeted. ;)
Oh yeah can't forget Matt Damon and Ben Affleck either! ;)
I don't find any of these actors to be "hot" but apparently some do?
- Matt Bomer is not the best choice for Supes, he has no range to play dual role of Clark Kent and Superman, his shoulders aren't broad enough for his super huge head and he's too short for the character known as a tall guy. Get over it. Stop playing gay bully card.
- I have to say, I'm a little taken aback at the unwillingness of some posters elsewhere to believe this story. It's sad watching them twist themselves into pretzels to come up with other reasons he might have lost the role just so they can continue to ignore homophobia.
- R102 Bomer do look gayer than any of his dead ringers. Of course some might confused but that happens only if they aren't very familiar with these actors.
- Whoops, didn't realize I was posting during Crazy Hour. Sorry, nutcase, I'll come back when you're done!
- Apart from Di Caprio, the others are not good actors.
- R105I too have to say, I'm a little taken aback at the unwillingness of some Bomer's fans to accept other possible/logical facts nor to hear opinions other than praises. It's sad watching them twist stories to attack other actors that get in Bomer's way into making DL a Matt Bomers's exclusive fansite, and accusing people of being homophobic.
- What the fuck is going on in here?
- I agree, r92, I want more dish. Sadly, she probably won't ever mention it again. I really wish she would write a tell-all, but I know it won't ever happen.
- I remember there was a thread here on DL where DiCaprio with a pic or link to an article with a pic was with one of his models they set him up with and he was looking totally bored ignoring her completely and on his phone probably looking for a dude he could hire who is discrete, can someone post the pic here? I want to show it to a gay friend of mine who doesn't believe that DiCarprio is really gay.
- The only news about this piece of news is that it's news to some people. I thought it was common knowledge, although I'd heard that the problem wasn't so much that Bomer was gay, it was that he didn't want to beard. This example of Hollywood homophobia has nothing to do with attacking other actors, because Bomer didn't lose the role to anyone. He remained Ratner's favorite until the day Ratner got the boot and whole project was scrapped and subsequently re-written from start.
I'd say Bomer was lucky this film didn't happen. Ratner + bad script would have been a disaster anyway.
- R113 The contract was a three-picture deal spanning up to ten years. Bomer could not have been that naive to think he could get away with living in the glass closet or not talking about his private life for ten years.
The studio would have found him a nice lesbian actress and he would have married her. Mike White would have become his "producing partner."
I do agree that Bomer is not physically big enough for Superman, if you want to see him in a Superman suit you can see his Toyota Prius commercial on Youtube, he simply looks too slight. However, when you think about it, Superman doesn't actually need to be physically huge and muscular, since he gets his powers from the Sun.
- ...continuing watching Superman Returns, I am generally confused how educated men could make something so inherently lacking in common sense. For example, Lois is standing unbuckled on the plane when the disaster happens, and she is actually THROWN VIOLENTLY several times around the cabin, at a force which would shatter most people's bodies. Then the plane begins its freefall to Earth, and Superman saves it by catching it and halting it at such a force that you can see the ripples in the airplane's skin, yet by the time he pulls open the door, Lois has somehow managed to crawl back into her seat without a scratch on her.
Does it simply not occur to the many, many, many people who were involved in the production of this particular scene that it made absolutely no sense?
- [quote]Does it simply not occur to the many, many, many people who were involved in the production of this particular scene that it made absolutely no sense?
No, it didn't occur to me. But in my defense, I was on drugs and had a twink on his knees servicing me at the time.
- ...And so it begins.
They screwed up the facts, too.
Thanks Jackie! Jackie.... Yeahhhhhh.
- Matt Bomer expressed no interest in the current Superman, he is simply too busy to take a year off from hs tv series and Superman roles are lousy career moves. Smart guy. This old hag confused present day with 2003. Also, about an inch or so shorter than Henry so his size is no issue whatsoever, at least Matt is an athlete. At least Matt owns his orientatn, Henry has issues down the road with that.
- Another reason why we need to pass ENDA.
- R119, California already has employment protection for gay people.
- Those of you on this thread saying Matt looks "too gay" for the role are sickening, full of self-hatred and should be ashamed of yourselves.
- r121, a lot of those posts are coming from the same troll
- yeah CA does R120 but the rest of the states and even certain companies DO NOT have protection for LGBT people.
- 21 states and the D of C have such laws.
- "Superman doesn't actually need to be physically huge and muscular, since he gets his powers from the Sun."
No!!! Look, any Kryptonian grandman or toddler could take power from the sun, but they aren't Superman. Superman is the great big muscular Kryptonian guy, the tall one with black hair and blue eyes.
That said, that kind of size can be faked. If he directors hire short co-stars and uses one of Tom Cruise's old cinematographers, an actor can appear to much taller than he really is. And lots of actors have gained huge amounts of muscle in short times, all they need are good trainers, nutritionists, and pharmacists. Chris Reeve, the best superman of all time, did exactly that - gained about forty pounds of muscle before shooting started.
- r106 retarded troll does better when she cuts and pastes other people's comments as her own
- Here is Matt as Clark and Superman in the Prius commercial. Even as Clark he does look too normal-sized... I agree with R125, Superman/Clark needs to be big.
Jude Law, not a big man either, was offered the role before Matt Bomer. Jude of course would have been repped by Matt's future husband.
I was also wrong about how much they were offering Hartnett, apparently it would have been $100 million spread over three films. Boy did he screw that up.
- [r104] [r114] Bomer is not short. He is about the same height as TV superman Dean Cain.
- Someone on an old Bomer thread from 2007 said Ratner went to the mat for Matt, and that he left the project when they insisted he go with another actor.
There are photos of Bomer, Ratner and Amy Adams, who was up for Lois Lane, together at the GLSEN awards earlier this month.
- R115, you have a point, but the guys on the Big Bang Theory said that it's also likely Lois would have snapped in half when Margot Kidder feel from the plane in Superman.
- R121, I don't think Matt looks too gay to play Superman; but movie producers, while they ignore the rules of physics, they don't ignore the rules of what they think female audiences will accept.
- Producers have got to stop blaming women, most of them don't care. It's homophobic teenaged boys.
- Matt's one of the most talented actors today and obviously the hottest. He should focus on serious roles like his upcoming the Normal Heart lead and leave the action movies to the less talented, after all not a huge task to act in front of a green screen on worn fantasy role that's been down to death. The trailer looks zzzzzzzzz.
- R121 and R133
I totally agree with you
- R118 Jackie Collins is NOT A HAG!! She's nothing but fierce and fabulous!!!
- Jackie Collins is a cunt.
Would she be bitching if Matt Bomer lost the role of Dolly Levy in "Hello Dolly," because he was a man? Or if he lost the role of Malcolm X because he was white? Of course not.
Superman isn't gay, so why should they cast a gay man to play a straight man?
Being straight is an integral part of who Superman is. If it was a just a side attribute of the character than it wouldn't matter.
Jackie Collins is a reverse homophobe which is just as bad.
- The funniest thing is that Henry Cavill is a closeted gay man.
- [quote]Superman isn't gay, so why should they cast a gay man to play a straight man?
Being straight is an integral part of who Superman is. If it was a just a side attribute of the character than it wouldn't matter.
Yes. Also, being supernaturally strong and able to fly are integral parts of who Superman is. Why should they cast some poor jerk who can't even levitate?
- R136, you bring a whole new meaning to the word "stupid." Congrats.
- Here is an ABC News article regarding the "Gay Superman" controversy from 2006...
- Not that I agree with what happened to Matt but I wanted to take a moment to point out that the majority of comic book fans are NOTORIOUSLY homophobic.
Also there was enough evidence on Matt and at least one person willing to spill it to out him had he gotten the role.
- Here is the actual Advocate article (I just noticed the hotline in the ABC News article is bad.)
It was enormously irresponsible of The Advocate and probably contributed to rumors of Brandon's homosexuality and the awful casting couch rumors (seriously, Singer wouldn't know what to do with a muscular man.) And the headline "How Gay is Superman" essentially mirrors the homophobic terminology of teenage boys to describe something unpopular/ unfashionable. Superman is, at his core, a male aspirational figure for heterosexual pre-adolescent boys. (Burgeoning gaylings prefer Marvel's outcasts. I liked X-Men.) Superman is strong, smart, masculine, and loves Lois. There is nothing particularly gay about Superman. He's almost boring.
However, if you have some time, I encourage you to take a look at the script at r9 that Matt auditioned for. In the classic Superman canon, and in the Richard Donner film, teenage Clark goes to the Fortress of Solitude where he learns about his powers from Jor-El and becomes Superman. However, he creates the nebbish Clark Kent persona because he wants to feel human. Clark Kent is the facade, Superman is real.
The Abrams script reverses this. Clark's powers are evident in childhood, but in order to protect him his parents use fear and shame to get him to conceal them. As a result, Clark enters adolescence as an introvert terrified of revealing his true self to the world, and the nebbishy Clark Kent persona IS Clark Kent. He doesn't use his powers until he is 29, when a catastrophe aboard Air Force One (Lois is onboard) prompts him to reveal his powers to the world. Following the revelation, Clark discovers self-acceptance.
Fear, shame, hiding, manhood, self-acceptance. That's [bold]the[/bold] Gay Story.
So it's ironic - or maybe not - that the most genuinely gay interpretation of the Superman legend almost got cast with Matthew Bomer in the lead.
- And even most ironic that Henry Cavill, a closeted gay man, was cast for the role.
- Advocate just wrote about it.
- Also on Huffington Post
- SPIN, HOLLYWOOD, SPIN!!!!!!!!!!!
"A source" now telling E! that [bold]Brett Ratner knew Matt was gay when he cast him as Superman.[/bold]
Sounds like Ratner's covering his own ass.
[quote]"Matt was Brett's Superman," the source says. "He would never have not cast Matt because he's gay. Brett knew Matt was gay. They're good friends. Matt not being Superman had nothing to do with his sexuality. It was because the director changed."
The director changed because the producers found out Matt was gay and wouldn't cast him.
[quote]According to Variety, that production team balked at Ratner's choice of little-known soap star Matthew Bomer (''Guiding Light'') to play the Man of Steel, after several higher-profile prospects, notably Josh Hartnett and Paul Walker, passed on the role and the three-picture, seven- to 10-year commitment it required. It was the studio's rejection of Ratner's selection of Bomer over ''Mummy'' star Brendan Fraser that finally led him to bolt the director's chair, Variety reports.
Link to that article to follow.
- EW.com article regarding Brett's departure
- Cited Variety article:
Ratner rushes out of 'Superman'
Difficulty of casting lead role contributes to decision
By DANA HARRIS, CATHY DUNKLEY
Brett Ratner will no longer direct "Superman" for Warner Bros. Pictures and sister company New Line Cinema couldn't be happier.
That's because Ratner had previously agreed to make "Rush Hour 3" as his next picture -- and New Line has just hired "Bad Company" scribe Jason Richman to write the script.
In order to make his "Superman" deal last September, Ratner asked New Line if he could be released from their prior agreement that "Rush Hour 3" would be his next project. New Line gave its blessing, but with the understanding that the Chris Tucker-Jackie Chan action-comedy would follow thereafter.
New Line hopes to have a first draft from Richman in eight weeks.
As of Wednesday afternoon, according to his CAA reps, Ratner was still attached to "Superman." Later that day, Ratner's camp changed its tune, scrambling to release a statement late that evening.
Stated Ratner, "I have chosen to withdraw as director of 'Superman.' The difficulty of casting the role of Superman has contributed to my decision. I appreciate the efforts of Warner Bros. and the entire production team during this process."
Warners production president Jeff Robinov responded with his own statement: "We have tremendous regard for Brett's creativity and passion for this project and we understand that this was a very tough choice for him. We are disappointed but wish him the best in his future pursuits."
So while New Line celebrated the prodigal son's return, Warners is left with neither director nor superhero. However, a Warners spokeswoman said the studio had every intention of moving forward with "Superman." The final straw for Ratner seems to have been the unwillingness of Warners execs to approve Ratner's choice as the Man of Steel, soap star Matthew Bomer. Among the actors who tested for the role were Brendan Fraser, Paul Walker and Josh Hartnett.
Hartnett passed, Walker took himself out of the mix and the race was between Bomer and Fraser as of late last week.
Studio also became uncomfortable with Ratner's collaborative decision- making style that sought to please everyone but ultimately didn't please Warners. Nor were relations aided by the very public tension between Ratner and "Superman" producer Jon Peters.
The "Superman" budget also had escalated to $225 million, even with the hiring of a second line producer to bring the budget down to $200 million.
Ratner's transition to "Rush Hour 3" isn't entirely seamless. While the director has already made his deal for the second sequel, the same can't be said for Tucker and Chan. New Line wants the stars to return, but it's conceivable the franchise could move forward without them, if the studio couldn't meet their pay demands.
The first two "Rush Hour" installments earned a combined $576 million at the global B.O.
Tucker hasn't been on the bigscreen since the release of "Rush Hour 2" in August 2001, but he's been shooting footage for "Mr. President," a mockumentary about an African-American president.
Chan is shooting "Around the World in 80 Days" for Walden Media and Summit Entertainment and was most recently seen in "Shanghai Knights." His next release is "The Medallion" (aka "Highbinders") for Columbia Pictures Oct. 17.
Repped by ICM and managed by the Bauer Co., Richman recently wrote a draft of Paramount Pictures' "Beverly Hills Cop 4."
(Michael Fleming and Dave McNary contributed to this report.)
- Uncomfortable with Matt being unknown? Brandon was a big name? LOL.
- well you know, they'll never publicly say "we don't want matt for the role because he's gay". that's just not done.
- Post @ r8 is gone. Guess someone in Burbank shat a brick when they read it.
Couldn't have been Jon Peters, he still doesn't know how to read.
- Interesting, thanks for posting that, (R148].\t
- Why can't they just focus on who is the best actor, and who can make the romance and action part of the story believable? Also who is going to play Lois Lane? Just hope there's visual chemistry between the two.
- [quote]Why can't they just focus on who is the best actor, and who can make the romance and action part of the story believable?
Because it's show business, not show integrity.
Amy Adams will be Lois Lane in Man of Steel.
- Yup, it's always about the $$$. Studio executives are afraid that casting a gay actor in a straight lead role will hurt the box office. It doesn't matter if the director wants to cast the actor. The studio doesn't want the marketing issues that will arise when all sorts of people complain about a gay actor playing the iconic American superhero. That's not the publicity they want for their movie.
- R155 yep!
And you wonder why gay actors choose to rot in the closet.
Bomer will have a successful career, mainly because of Simon and his connnections. Many people may not say it but i'm sure they respect and admire him alot for coming out, and encouraging young gay people everywhere to own and be themselves. With his beauty, he could have chosen to beard and play the 'straight' game but he didn't.
To have the classiest and most beautiful man in hollywood as one of us is not something small. He's doing his thing and proving to the world that being gay is OK!
NOT S. Hall's intern
- Getting work only because of Simon and his connections? That's what you define as a successful career? You're an idiot.
"Many people may not say it but i'm sure they respect and admire him alot for coming out"
That may be true, but so what? It doesn't change anything. None of it does a fucking thing to help his career
"as one of us"? You smell like one of those silly fraus.
- R157 You'll never be as hot as he is hon!
- [R157] You're a deluded moron who thinks everyone is just jealous about Matt's looks and ignores anything that doesn't fit your happy-happy picture of Matt.
- Here are some photos of Henry on set of Man of Steel. He really does look perfect for the role.
Obviously the studio was able to overlook rumors about Henry's sexuality (which are, mind you, rumors) and they still cast him in the part. So perhaps Matt's sexuality was not 100% the reason that the studio or producers turned him down for the role, they may just not have thought he was not right for it, for reasons other people here have already discussed.
The gayness would have definitely contributed to their decision, though, no doubt about that.
- Studios don't make money with the truth. A closet guy who - for PR purposes - lives a fake straight life in the public's eye is right up their alley.
Hollywood sells fantasy, fake values, and most importantly blockbuster movie related merchandise. The truth just gets in the way of things.
- PR bullshit
- Bullshit it may be, but it's a multi-billion dollars a year bullshit. The studies won't let an openly gay actor jeopardize the financial value of the Superman franchise, or that of any other potential superhero franchise for that matter.
- From an interview with Ian McKellen:
"If you're going around telling a lie you may get by but you won't be half as happy as you would be if you came out," McKellen said. "If that means you have to give up hopes of being one of the three or four young sex symbols in Hollywood so be it. You probably weren't going to be one of those anyway. That happens by chance and it doesn't last for very long."
- That seems very self-serving. Even if he had been straight, Ian McKellen was never going to be a leading man in Hollywood and he always knew it. The "it doesn't last for very long" is a case of sour grapes if I ever heard one.
It's true that no actor lasts at the top forever, but the ones with enough talent and smarts (or at least a smart agent and manager) can make a good run of it. Being at the top means their names are on the short lists for the plum dramatic roles and they can leverage their star power to help get movies made. Tell me that Ian McKellen wouldn't have liked the opportunity to have tackled some of the roles that actors like George Clooney or Brad Pitt got to do.
It's not a matter of "being one of the three or four young sex symbols in Hollywood", it's a matter of gay actors having the same opportunities to play the type of roles offered to straight actors without having to live a fake straight life.
- I agree with McKellan's overall point, but if an actor comes out, chances are that they're not just giving up the chance to be a sex symbol, but rather the chance to work. Maybe it's different in the UK, but it's worth noting that in the US, all the actors that have come out recently (a) are still on the show they were on when they came out, so they haven't had to look for work or (b) have been hired by Ryan Murphy or (c) are unemployed.
So after coming out, the choices seem to be between working for Ryan Murphy or unemployment. That's a tough decision to make, which is why it's so inspiring when someone does it. Hopefully Cheyenne Jackson's new series will take off, and Matt Bomer's movie career will take off, and things will start to change. But they haven't yet, and it's disingenuous to pretend that these actors aren't giving up anything major when they come out.
- [quote]So after coming out, the choices seem to be between working for Ryan Murphy or unemployment. That's a tough decision to make.
I love you.
- Ryan Murphy == gay ghetto?
- What happened to the other Matt thread?
- [quote]"If you're going around telling a lie you may get by but you won't be half as happy as you would be if you came out," McKellen said. "If that means you have to give up hopes of being one of the three or four young sex symbols in Hollywood so be it. You probably weren't going to be one of those anyway. That happens by chance and it doesn't last for very long."
Says the man who was almost 50 years old when he came out.
- The age at which McKellen finally admitted to himself that he was never going to get those leading man roles anyway.
[quote] it's disingenuous to pretend that these actors aren't giving up anything major when they come out.
Exactly. And let's not kid ourselves either that just because some celebrities will dress up, show up at a GLSEN award show, pose for pictures on the red carpet, and say warm supportive things that this has anything to do with the actual business of Hollywood itself.
- McKellan's point is moot because Bomer was for all intents and purposes not openly gay when he auditioned for "Superman." The issue is whether Bomer's sexuality was surreptitiously disclosed to the producers and to Warner Bros. executives and if that colored their decision not to hire Bomer despite Ratner's recommendation.
- Why are people talking about Routh? Bomer was up against Henry Cavill for the new Superman movie, totally unrelated to Brian Singer's piece of crap
- R173, does your brain touch the top of your spinal chord?
- Well, I can see why Bomer came out. If he was losing major roles because of The Gay while still closeted, there wasn't lot of benefit to staying in.
- The whole coming out story began with that video of him that someone took with their cellphone and posted on-line. I don't know if Matt and his people meant for that to happen. It always felt like a case of another celebrity who forgot that cellphone cameras are everywhere. (A thing that politicians also seem to forget.)
Regardless, he's out of the glass closet now and unfortunately the only thing we seem to hear about Matt in the media these days is that "he is/isn't too gay to play Christian Grey" and "he lost the Superman role because he's gay". This is not the kind of publicity that is conducive to a movie career.
All Matt can do is to keep trying. I truly hope that he can build a successful movie career.
- Who gives a fuck what Jackie Collins thinks? While she's out portraying Matt Bomer as a victim, he's steadily working despite his serious lack of talent. He's pretty, but MB couldn't act his way out of a wet paper bag.
- Nobody gives a flying fuck what Jackie Collins thinks. It's not about that. It's about the way gay actors are perceived and treated in Hollywood. No matter what you think of Matt's talent, he and other gay actors have to deal with additional steep hurdles that straight actors (or deeply closeted ones) simply don't have to.
- R176 Perez actual outed both of them first. Huge, huge thread on here when that happened w/ people trying to find pictures of Simon Halls. The photos w/ the ex boyfriend came out a few days later.
The timing of everything was... suspicious.
- R177 three of the top producer directors in the business disagree with you along with millions of fans so keep trolling, maybe some tool will agree with you some day
R173 my god, get it straight, Matt was never connected with the Henry Cavill film, EVER! Never threw his hat into the ring thank god, it's already rumored to be another lousy retread.
- Looking forward to the 'man of steels' rumoured past coming to light. He supposedly had a fun year in LA 2006. Photos sanitized from web, then the hasty engagement they arranged when the role was announced crumbled after her public issues. Will be fun to watch.
- R180, you're right Matt wasn't up for that role; he was up for another version of the film; he didn't get it.
That project died and now we have Henry in this one.
- [R179] We obsess and gossip endlessly about an actor's sexuality and because we "know" we tend to think every one else must surely know. Yes, there was gossip and Perez Hilton posting pictures but the vast majority of people didn't know that Matt was gay until that video was put out there and it was reported on in the media. Matt's name was trending on twitter that day because of that story.
Look how Henry's casting was announced on Deadline:
[bold]Henry Cavill Lands Superman; Macho British Actor To Play American Icon[/bold]
Fucking hell, they were butching him up on Day One.
There are over 500 comments to the Deadline article, but I found this nugget buried inside:
[quote]He is to be a metrosexual (ahem) Superman. This is all going to end in tears for Warners. Big fat, embarrassing tears.
- R184, Does Cavill have good onscreen chemistry as Amy Adams? How is she as Lois Lane? Then the rest won't matter as much.
- Here's another article from Deadline that reconfirms the story that the studio refused to hire Matt. This was a fairly well-known piece of industry gossip.
My understanding had been that it had been Jon Peters who put the kibbosh on Matt, but it may just have easily been Alan Horn (WB Pres & COO) or Jeff Robinov (WB Production Prexy). I was wrong in my post @ r8 (doesn't really matter now, it's mysteriously disappeared), but it was Robinov, not Peters, who brought in Joel Silver to "de-gay" the film (I was also wrong about the timing; the film was finished when this happened). Of course, if Robinov had issues with casting an actor with gay rumors in 2003, they seem to have abated by 2011 (he had taken Horn's job as President of Warners at this point.)
So that brings us to Alan Horn. If it was Horn, it would be superironic because not only would Matt end up working with Cody Horn on "Magic Mike" (to be released by Warners), but one of Cody Horn's first acting jobs was on "White Collar."
- LOL, I went to the Warner corporate site to confirm Jeff Robinov's title and I thought this was amusing. Full circle, eh?
And you'll never convince me that shit didn't go down to get Matt onto the key art like that.
- wait，what VIDEO of matt？ I know that MW making out pic，is there a video as well？info please？i'm new here
- I can't read all the posts in this thread as I came late. But isn't Brandon hotter than Matt anyway
- There's no video of Matt making out, that person doesn't know what they're taking about.
- R190 very few people on is thread know what they are talking about, but hey, it's DL, all the bullshitters pretend to know or troll lies, LOL
- ... says the person who has no qualms to cast aspersions on Henry Cavill's sexuality.
- Cody Horn is such a shitty actress. No talent. Never knew she's linked to Alan Horn. Now that would be misuse of power because she really doesn't have any talent.
- R183 R176 What video about Matt? Saw kissing photos with this ex but not video. There was a VIDEO? Someone, please share. Since Simon is not going to kiss Matt publicly, let me see Matt kissing at least his ex. Ha.
- R194 See R190
- r189 each morning when Brandon wakes up he wishes he had Matt's talent, looks and above all, career.
- What R196? Matt's got a shitty basic cable series and Brandon has a shitty little series. Personally I'd take either. Or a sandwich. But I just personally think Brandon is a tad bit hotter.
- LOL r197 Matt's series, where he is the lead, will start its 5th succesful season and get a syndication deal if he chooses to stay a few more seasons. My bet is he will bolt, he's got too much other opportunity in film. Brandon's ensemble series is about to be cancelled after 13. Matt's got 4 movies either in the can or awaiting filming post In-Time and Magic Mike. The producers of Chuck wanted Matt to reprise Bryce Larkin two seasons ago to wrap the series but Matt was too busy, Brandon gladly took the role. Ironic. iMDB is your friend.
- White Collar already has a syndication deal, I think. It runs in syndication in NY during the week along with Burn Notice.
- R197 It is best not to compare Matt to Brandon, Henry or any other actors in a Bomer thread, you won't get anywhere. Matt's fans are the first ones to accuse Brandon of achieving his success by sleeping with a powerful man, and the first ones to call out Henry for not being open about his personal life when he accepted a career-making role.
They apparently did not take Psych 101 in college.
- If only Superman Returns had had a gratuitous shirtless scene, maybe it would be remembered more fondly.
- DL Admins please unlock Matt Bomer's thread that doesn't win an inspiration award. Pretty please!
- [R202], I had no problem getting on that thread, are you sure it's not you?
- Yeah, could you unlock that one and leave this one for a general discussion of homophobia in Hollywood? There's some interesting discussion on this thread. I'd hate to see it get lost in the invasion of the sea of crazy that comes with the Bomer threads.
- Roger, pay the $18.
- R186, Jeff R of Warner's was the same POS who suppose to have said he would never hire an actress to lead a film again. He denies it but I wouldn't be surprised if it was true.
- R203 which thread you could get in? This thread is the last thread on Bomer and it's locked after 317 posts. No one can post there anymore.
- R206 you're right, I'd forgotten about this.
It was Nikki Finke who reported this, and for some reason she saw fit to write this in her article.
[quote]Robinov’s poorly performing Superman Returns was criticized for its girlie-man portrayal of the superhero.
WOW. Can you imagine if Matthew had played Superman, and people in the legitimate press wrote things like this about him? Abrams's Superman was essentially a closeted gay man learning to come to terms with himself in a hostile society. People would have picked up on it right away. Matthew would have been branded "the Gay Superman" even by people who didn't know about his sexuality. It would have been a disaster for Warners.
Here's what I think might have happened: it wasn't the black-or-whiteness of Matthew's homosexuality that caused him to lose the role. If the studio likes you, they will make a nice little closet for you. It happens all the time. In fact, it might be happening now.
Rather, the studio may have sensed that Ratner was preparing to deliver them a Gay Superman. The selection of a gay actor was the icing on the cake. Matthew is not John Wayne. He would not have been able to pull off this role as it was conceived in this screenplay without people talking. Warners was simply looking out for its ass when they said No. After all, toys needed to be sold.
The idea of a cypto-gay (or Krypto-gay, ha ha) Superman is actually a very interesting concept. With thoughtful direction and a better screenplay, they might have come away with a very provoking and transtextually rich movie. Matthew would have been excellent in the role.
- Sorry, I didn't think to check to see if I could actually post on the old thread. Very very strange. Guess someone should start a new one.
- Since it doesn't look like the old thread is ever going to be unlocked, I've started a new thread for Matt.
- Couldn't you have waited until a little later in the day r210? Simon doesn't like to start drinking until after noon.
- Check this out. This would have been the kind of stuff that would have been written about Matt if he had been cast as Supes.
Nice little cameo at the end of the article.
- [R210] Seems like the new thread is locked as well already???
- Well obviously it annoyed webbie enough the first time that he closed it. Why did you bother restarting it?
Apparently the script @ r9 is the first draft; the second draft, which is reviewed below, reverts Lex Luthor to his more traditional characterization but appears to keep the elements of the first draft in place. This is the draft that would have been the basis of the shooting script, if it got to that stage.
- Trying again.
- You don't sell as many tickets and merchandise with a homoerotic superhero as you would with a family friendly one.
- R216 the issue was not the Superman Flyby was homoerotic (it wasn't). And most superheores are eroticized. Batman Forever had nipples on his costume and that was the #1 movie of 1995.
The gayness which I feel is the crux of Superman Flyby is about being an outcast, being ashamed of what you were born as, being terrified of being rejected by your parents and by the world. These fears inform Clark's journey through the film and are as much the obstacle he has to overcome as the Kryptonian villains.
If you want to go check out the script at r9, on page 28 there's very well-written scene where the Kents for the first time decide to discuss with 14 year-old Clark why he is different. (Clark has just discovered the Superman suit, hidden deep in his parent's CLOSET)
[italic]MARTHA: You’re not from here. (beat) Not from Smallville. Not from this planet.
There are now tears in Clark’s eyes…
CLARK: …then… where am I from…?
JONATHAN: We don’t know.
Clark looks off; grappling with this mega-news… the realization that all he’s feared is being confirmed… he is a freak – a monster – PERHAPS the Devil himself –
Clark runs through the night, crying – trying to lose himself – wishing he weren’t himself. Running so hard, for so long, he finally collapses in a snowy field. Sobbing. The deep, painful cries of a true Outsider.
And he looks up with his wet eyes, into the infinite night… knowing that somewhere up there is a home that cast him away.[/italic]
Superman Flyby is an ASTONISHINGLY GAY interpretation of the Superman myth. Superman, redrawn as a scared gay kid from Middle America. Frankly, I'm shocked a straight man wrote this.
- Don't open a Matt Bomer thread unless there is a news about him.
- Bomer politely said "no comment" to Jackie Collins topic. The stalker didn't complete his question but Bomer already knew what he was asking. For a person who rarely goes to internet, he is well informed.
- He doesn't need to search internet for himself. He has people for it (a publicist) and it's part of their job to look for it and inform him about things like that. So he isn't completely surprised in situations like this and can say "No comment" instead of being caught completely off guard.
- These stalkers are so fucking rude and trashy. bet the photos will end up in ebay. Matt was indeed polite and nice but they treated him like shit.
- God, those people getting autographs are assholes. Not content with just getting an autograph, they have to produce a whole sheaf of photos to be autographed. Then when he says, very politely, 'OK, that's all,' and poses for photos with them, they then pull out even MORE photos for him to sign. Yuck.
- Those guys aren't fans, they're professional autograph hawkers. They were tipped off that he would be there, that's why they have a stack of photos. Welcome to Hollywood.
I found these concept sketches for the suit from Superman Flyby. I wonder if the fourth one wasn't done with Matt in mind, it looks like his build.
The designer also worked on Tim Burton's never-filmes "Superman Lives" and you can see some of the pictures of those suits if you scroll down to the gallery at the bottom. Nic Cage was paid $20 million for the never-made movie (maybe why he subsequently named his son Kal-El).
- R217, I disagree with your interpretation. The original comics were created by recent immigrants, bullied because they were Jewish and seen as "different." Only later on did they realize that many others felt that they didn't "fit in" either, for a wide variety of reasons, and could thus relate to the fantasies of their stories. Wouldn't a straight kid that was physically uncoordinated, and bad at sports, in a small Midwestern town, also really relate to that story? He might view "the closet" as his secret dream of greatness in an unusual field.
- R224 as I said before Abrams's Superman is different from Seigel and Shuster's Superman or most interpretations of Superman. Their Superman essentially satisfied a kind of wish fulfillment - powerful, handsome, defends the weak, gets the girl. Their Superman is real, Clark Kent is the facade. Awkward Clark Kent is something that Superman creates to protect his true identity, Superman.
Abrams's Superman is the opposite. Clark is real, Superman is the facade; or rather, Superman is someone Clark Kent becomes as he gains self-acceptance. Clark Kent's awkwardness is real, borne out of deep self-loathing and fear of rejection from the outside. He's completely introverted, terrified of standing out, and scared of expressing himself romantically. He's worried that he's an embarrassment to his parents. This is a GAY KID.
I really suggest you read the entire script (technically you can skip over all the Planet Krypton scenes) - and after you read it, answer this for me - why did Abrams make Jimmy gay?
- What these people do is get Matt Bomer's autographs, then sell them to Ebay.
- Oh, wow. They were calling Brandon "Queer-El."
LA Times article on how the Advocate cover affected Superman Returns's marketing.
- Poor Brandon!
This really was one of the cards Topps issued.
- I'll probably get flamed, but Bomer being gay would be the least of his issues as Superman.
Matt Bomer is too slight (physically and as an actor) to play Superman. He also has no charisma.
He's better in light comedy roles or ironic buddy parts like White Collar. His onscreen chemistry with DeKay is the only good thing about that show.
According to one of the late, great gossip threads, Christopher Reeve is not straight either and no one had a problem with him.
In retrospect, I'm glad he didn't get the part. If he wanted a tentpole, he would've been a better Batman.
- Bomer is slight，but he does have charisma which is the only draw of white collar. The chemistry is just dekay's mancrush on him showing.
- [quote]The chemistry is just dekay's mancrush on him showing.
Thank you, frau.
- R230 Correcting your in accuracy since I have met him, Matt is 5.11 and has a great athletic build, not slight at all and only and inch or so shorter than Henry. I'm 6' and just about my height. As so many acknowledge, dead end roles glad he had no interest in the role.
- Fine，my point is，there is no CHEMISTRY，they are just selling the idea really hard. FYI，one of the wc staff said that mancrush thing，not me.
- R233 you do understand that he [italic]wanted[/italic] the role, right?
- R233 any actor would want a role, but the FACT is he never expressed an interest in the role or read for it, or threw his hat in the ring. In 2003 yes, in 2012, no. No connection whatsoever in the current film.
- This ENTIRE THREAD is about the 2003 film. Nobody is talking about "Man of Steel."
Christ, Matt's fans are dumb.
- Well those fans aren't so much dumb as self-deluded. For example Matt not getting the Superman role gets changed in their heads to "well he wasn't interested in the role", or "it's a bad/dead end role anyway", or "he's too good for that role" and other shit like that.
- Of course he was interested in the role and wanted to get it, but that doesn't change the fact that in the hindsight it probably was better he didn't get it. These roles can do a lot of damage to a career if the movie isn't doing well, and futhermore you're easily pigeonholed. Just look at Routh's career the years after Superman.
- KoMut getting their money's worth with Brandon
- R239 Your "hindsight" is pointless speculation because no one knows for sure what might have happened if the original Superman project had proceeded, unless you're claiming an ability to peer into alternate timelines. The studio started from scratch with a new director, new script, etc. so it's not even the same movie.
There are talented actors who have played iconic characters and who did not "pigeonholed" but went on to a diversity of roles. What happened to Routh after Superman may say more about his talent than anything. He didn't get great reviews for his performance. If you look at his career prior to landing the Superman gig he wasn't exactly on his way to stardom and nothing I've seen him do has convinced me that he has a lot of talent or charisma. We don't know that his career would be better off now if he hadn't taken the role. Playing Superman at least boosted his visibility.
In the end your "hindsight" is just a variation of the "it was a bad/dead end role anyway" self-serving spin.
- Hindsight is always pointless speculation.
- The "Superman is a dead end" myth largely exists because Christopher Reeve failed to establish a notable role outside the "Superman" series, although that was his own fault - he turned down everything (American Gigolo, Officer and a Gentleman, Splash, Body Heat, World According to Garp, Fatal Attraction, Pretty Woman, allegedly Raiders of the Lost Ark... on and on and on.)
I'm not sure what happened with Routh, but it looks like he decided to do indies instead of studio features and many of them never got released - he was even cut out of one, the adaptation of Bret Easton Ellis' "Informers" - which nobody saw anyway. Routh was fine given the material he was handed, although I agree with R241 - he doesn't have that "star quality." He looks like Superman, but he doesn't "feel" like Superman. The same could be said of Singer's entire movie.
Funny that Brandon's publicist was Simon Halls.
- MSNBC did a segment on this and photoshopped Brandon into a purple suit and feather boa. And everyone in the studio laughed.
Could have been Matt...
- I cringed my way through that video.
Matt really dodged a bullet when he lost Superman in more than one way.
- The level of detail on this one is impressive. Paisley.
An unfortunate side effect of this episode is that now when you do a GIS for "Gay Superman", half of the photos are of Matt.
- What an awful video. It's easy to forget how much casual homophobia there was in society even just a few years ago. The video got better toward the end, but even at its best, it was still cringeworthy.
If Matt had gotten the Superman role, the failure of the movie (which Hollywood would have blamed on the rumors and innuendo) would have ruined his career. Or, if Superman had succeeded, he never would have been able to come out, because he would have had to spend months in the run-up to the movie bearding and denying the gay rumors so that it wouldn't sink.
- The video cringeworthy? No. It's you fraus who find it awkward and who are embarrassed.
- R248, isn't there a gay bar you should be chasing women out of right now?
- Comic book fanboys talking about this.
They mostly don't have a problem with him playing Superman because of his sexuality, but his stature seems to be a big issue for them. They love Henry for the role, even they seem to be aware of the gay rumors, it's not too big an issue. The thing that's most important for them is that Superman be physically right - looks, height and build-wise.
- Do they realize that Henry is about an inch or so taller than Matt and anyone can bulk up for a role and that acting matters? Matt is a far better actor then Henry who comes off wooden in every role. Love the pics from Henry's out years in the link. Most had been scrubbed from the net when he landed the role. Guess all of that will resurface.
- Matt's fans hate Henry so much. It's beautiful to watch.
- No they don't. Some just think he's not a good actor.
- R249 This isn't about misogyny. It's about you fraus who obsess over a gay celebrity and you think that makes you progressive. Matt and hubby! Look at the pretty gay dads and their kids! Adorbs! But in reality you're clueless about the gay community.
- R250 That's not a scientific poll with a representative sampling of the potential movie audience for a Superman movie so I wouldn't take that as evidence of anything.
Still it's interesting to see that for a few fanboys the actor's sexuality doesn't matter. That is progress. Though of course you still get comments like this:
[quote] He wouldn't be politically correct as Superman, being gay and all.. If Cavill is gay, it'll probably ruin things for he and the franchise too. Just saying.
- [quote]It's about you fraus who obsess over a gay celebrity and you think that makes you progressive. Matt and hubby! Look at the pretty gay dads and their kids! Adorbs!
Dude... you took three comments acknowledging homophobia in a video about Superman, one of which is from a gay man (myself), and you turned it into that.
[quote]That's not a scientific poll with a representative sampling of the potential movie audience for a Superman movie
No shit, Sherlock.
But by all means, please feel free to fill up this thread with more evidence of your idiocy.
- I've noticed whenever news about the new Superman appear Bomer fans trash Cavill. Are they that insecure?
By the way are there photos of Cavill as compromising as of Bomer?
- [quote]I've noticed whenever news about the new Superman appear Bomer fans trash Cavill. Are they that insecure?
Do you even really need to ask that?
- @ian S - now there's a guy desperate for a role in 50, it's been shameless.
- r257 Why would a Matt bomer fan have any insecurity with regard to Henry? Matt is charting a smarter course with roles like The Normal Heart. I don't think anyone is trashing Henry, he seems great but in context here on DL, comments on stature and orientation most believe Henry and Matt are more similar than most think.
r258 Ian wishes he had what Matt Bomer has every day
- Ian S's behavior in this whole mess perplexes me. If you want the role, then of course have your people campaign for it. But to be so public about it seems incredibly tacky.
As shitty as the project will be, he clearly wants to be cast in it. Yet he's hurting his chances with his shenanigans. Didn't one of the producers make a passive-aggressive tweet a while back that some people had lied about going to LA to meet with him, after Ian S. told fans that he had gone to LA to meet about the movie? What the hell is he doing?
- Here's to hoping that Matt is included in the list of 'people mag's sexiest list' this Wednesday
He's obviously the sexiest male actor out there right now, but I doubt he would campaign for that title. And also the fact that he would have to agree to do an in-depth interview, sth he hates doing.
Anyway, hope he flies the flag for us!
- R260, we'll just title your post "Exhibit A."
- If I remember correctly Bomer was critisized here for not saying out loud he's gay before he publicly stated so and now he is your favourite, best and most beautiful actor in the world.
You wouldn't react that way if he wasn't out of closet.
- Matt's very first talk show (2007).
- R263 Reading through your posts, are you always so judgemental or just perpetually on the rag? Let us guess, you are perpetually single too.
- You should try being more judgmental R266. It'll prevent you from becoming one of the pod people.
"Henry wishes he had Matt's looks, talent, and career. Henry wishes he had Matt's looks, talent, and career. Four legs good, two legs bad."
- OMG, that haircut and those shoes. And is it just me, or do his ears look huge in that interview [R265].
That has to be the smoking gun that proves Matt and Simon were not together before White Collar, can't believe Simon would have let him go out looking like that. Not that he isn't adorable in a geeky kind of way.
- I don't think someone as busy and responsible as Simon Halls would go for having twins while being a single parent.
May be the major reason Matt avoids talking about his family because someone might ask him when they got together and he is not willing to share it.
- I think there's going to be some psychological disorder discovered at some point that encompasses the need for total strangers to get personally and pathetically overinvested in the lives of celebrities.
- You're already diagnosed with it first, R270 because you are here and making time to write about it. Get over with it frau. When Bomer fangirls don't like something we say, they go for personal attack and you are proving you are one of those pieces.
- R269 Yeah, sure. Tehy were dating secretly for years and they were having children together, and nobody noticed. In fact they were trying to hide the fact they have children together so desperately, that Halls agreed to do interview with W magazine just before twins were born and called himself a single parent. Because that for sure would not bring any attention to their family, that they wanted to hide.
Not to mention that they have no neighbours or other people who know them and who could call them liars and make them look pathetically stupid by revealing it all to the media.
- R272: Basically.
Here is a picture of Henry with a fan on the set in Chicago. It must have really been like meeting Superman for the kid. Henry really looks perfect.
But that kid is probably also around the age when kids start using the word "gay" to mean something bad or something they don't like. The adults on the Comic Book Forum may be able to accept a gay actor as Superman, but would kids? Would they still want to buy a Superman T-shirt or a Superman action figure if everyone kept saying he was gay?
If Henry is gay, he is going to be in the closet for a long time. The success of so much will be riding on his shoulders. He'll be living Matt's life if Matt had gotten the role. Odd that this is Warner's third attempt at this in ten years and they can't seem to find one actor to do this who isn't rumored to be gay. I guess this is the real Superman curse.
Then again, Henry might actually be straight. I don't know. Maybe he'll marry Emma Stone, or maybe in ten years from now we'll found out he's been secretly raising a family with Stephen Huvane. I honestly could go either way on him.
- R272 There you go, always drawing conclusion as if you have lived under Halls and Bomer's bed. It can be that they were dating and not exactly living together yet. Nobody knows this unless one of them speaks about it.
- R274 I don't need to live under their bed to know this. Ability to logical thinking is enough.
R269 said they don't believe Halls would decide to have children as a single parent. So solution to that problem is having children with an absent parent who doesn't live with them and is hiding the fact he has kids? How is that different from being a single parent? Actually it could even make things more difficult. Not only Halls would still be raising children all by himself, he would also have additional work with hiding his relationship with Bomer. That for sure makes sense. Not.
- Since other Matt's threads are closed, I'm posting it here.
So, it seems that The Normal Heart is going to be a TV movie, instead of a featured movie, after all.
This was just announced by Broadway World:
[quote]Ryan Murphy, creator of such television shows as GLEE, American Horror Story, and The New Normal, has been hard at work on bringing the Tony-winning play THE NORMAL HEART to the big screen. It was announced back in January of 2012 that Julia Roberts, Alec Baldwin and Jim Parsons would join Mark Ruffalo in the cast of the film, with a script by playwright Larry Kramer and directed by Ryan Murphy who had optioned the play back in August of 2011 after it closed on Broadway. At the time, it was also reported that CAA was putting together the financing, and that it was to be produced by Brad Pitt's 'Plan B' Production Company.
Now, a cable network insider tells BWW's Rialto Chatter exclusively that the film will instead be an HBO television production, with a budget in the neighborhood of $15 million dollars. There is no word yet on a timeline for the project, or if the previously announced starry cast is staying aboard the project.
If true, this is a brilliant idea, as it is likely to give the film an even wider audience, and isn't HBO's first time doing a project of this kind, with their 2003 film of the Mike Nichols-directed ANGELS IN AMERICA (starring Al Pacino, Meryl Streep, Patrick Wilson, Mary-Louise Parker, Emma Thompson, Justin Kirk, Jeffrey Wright and Ben Shenkman) being considered a large success for the network as the most-watched made-for-cable film in 2003, garnering critical acclaim and multiple Golden Globe and Emmy awards, among other numerous accolades.[/quote]
They say it's a brilliant idea. I don't know. It was supposed to be this big, prestigious project. I guess after so many years in development it was to be expected that it's either not going to be made at all, or it will end up on TV at best.
- HBO will allow them to push the limits in a way a feature film wouldn't.
I think it's a better choice than a feature film. How many people are going to spend $15 at a theatre to see a movie about gay men dying from AIDS? If anything, it would be a limited release in NY and LA, and maybe a few dozen screens in San Francisco, Atlanta and DC.
It MIGHT garner a Academy Awards nomination, but these days, probably not. Mark Ruffalo is no Tom Hanks, and it's not 1996. It will end up on HBO anyway in a few months, with the only DVD sales going to hardcore theatre junkies and those fangirls on Tumblr who want to make gifsets.
HBO movies are showered with Emmys and Golden Globes every year, set record ratings for the network, and have a much longer shelf life than a drama that will get lost, then soon forgotten in the pre-Academy deadline onslaught.
- Excellent news on HBO - hope majority of cast remains intact
- I agree that the movie never had any big chances in theatres. I never could understood those fans that were so excited about it. It was obvious that it's not going to be popular, it seems that nobody really believed in it's success (c'mon, it spent over 20 years in development) and this latest news only confirms it. Obviously it went to TV, because nobody wanted to invest in it to make it a feature.
It has bigger chances on HBO, but I still wouldn't hold my breath for all those awards etc. Timing is rather unlucky for those involved, especially for Matt. If Matthew McConaughey will get some nominations for his upcoming movie, then Matt can forget about any recognition for his role IMO. I'm afraid they will not want to give recognition to another actor for playing a very similar role (AIDS victim, actor had to loose weight for a role, etc.) They will not want to look repetitive and will rather look for something fresh and original. Or maybe I'm just a pesimist.
Anyway, I never liked the fact that Matt accepted that role (maybe it's just Ryan Murphy that's annoying me) and I hope that he will not do it after all. Is it too much too hope for some scheduling conflict or something?
- The problem with The Normal Heart is not that it's about AIDS, but that it is essentially a drama about gay men trying to understand their gayness. (Oddly enough, so was Superman Flyby.) Its crossover appeal was extremely limited, and cable was inevitable, although cable will necessitate Murphy to make a more accessible film than he could for a theatrical release, not the other way around.
- I had mixed feelings about the project, and now I have mixed feelings about it being on HBO. I agree that it will probably be grittier than if it was a theatrical release, but I kind of hate the idea of Matt losing all that weight and taking on a role like this for a movie that won't get him wide recognition. Even if a theatrical movie would have a limited audience, it would still be seen by people like critics and Academy members (I still think it would have gotten Oscar attention, unless Ryan really slaughters it).
- I wish Matt would say no to Ryan Murphy sometimes
The gay roles that Ryan wants him to play would box him, and his sex appeal (which he's gathered from 'White Collar' and Magic Mike') would disappear
At the moment he has fans across the board and that could easily vanish esp the straight male demographic
He should stick to roles that have fluidity in their sexuality or just play straight roles - We have enough gay actors boxed in their roles.
Bomer should avoid that curse!
- Got my hole plowed then they gave me the role
- Well TNN and TNH will be the only gay roles for Matt so far - that's not a lot, and if he played straight all the time, people would say he's afraid of taking gay roles. So it's a good mix imo.
- Matt will have a very long successful career because he is talented, a few gay roles will not pigeon hole him. Other actors with those issues don't have his looks or talent.
- Oatmeal raisin?
- He does have gay, ladybug eyes.
- I don't see where you get that last part from but okay.
- Oh wow. I thought Ellen Whitaker was the very tall, very beautiful Nordic looking woman in the pink blouse in the photo that was used when Henry ended his engagement.
That wasn't Ellen Whitaker AT ALL. This is Ellen Whitaker.
I guess in 2013, we will believe a gay man can fly.
- R289 Neigh!
- Maybe Matt will not be in TNH after all.
I posted it in another thread, posting it also here:
Mark Ruffalo tweeted that he is still a part of the cast and that filming probably starts in June.
No info about the rest of the cast.
While everything is possible with Roberts, Baldwin and Parsons, I doubt that Bomer is still on board (maybe that's why he was the only one not mentioned in the original announcement). June is a middle of filming for his show, White Collar, and I doubt that network would give him free time to film TNH. Not to mention that his role is the most demanding physically. First he would need about 4 weeks to film his pre-illness scenes, then loose all the weight and then film the other scenes. IMO impossible for an actor who is playing lead on the TV show, which is in the middle of filming.
- Thanks R291. I also do hope that he doesn't feature in this film
The thought of him losing weight like Mcoughnahay (forgive my sp) was too much for me
- I didn't see the Comic Con trailer until this morning. If Henry is indeed gay, then his speech at the end is remarkable. The way it ends, with the question posed to the audience as we see this very heroic shot of Henry's face, is a little chilling.
One part of me wants to think that maybe if Henry is the perfect Superman, and if Man of Steel is the perfect Superman movie (it looks like it could be), it won't matter if there are rumors about his sexuality; and that if there are gay or cryptogay themes in Man of Steel (entirely possible), people will understand them as part of the human experience, instead of excuses to photoshop Henry into drag on national television. Another part of me thinks that we haven't gotten there yet.
- If you have half an hour, worth the read.
"THE STRANGE AND EVIL TALE OF THE PRODUCTION OF SUPERMAN V"
- Wow, thanks R294, that was interesting.
- By the way, which other out celeb apart from Bomer, made it into People Mag sexiest man issue?
- The petition mentioned @ the link above is still online. 14,000 signatures asking them to change to script; decent amount of homophobia too. The script leak was a HUGE deal BTW - allegedly done by a rogue Warner exec who was a Superman fan and who was horrified what they were going to do to the character.
You know, it's not inconceivable that if Flyby got made, it would have been one of the biggest bombs in history. Combination of the hated script, out of control budget (probably would have been the most expensive movie ever made), and awful directors - Ratner and later McG. Sometimes you really wonder what goes through these studio people's minds. Maybe this was some sort of real life "Producers" situation.
- R296 Only Matt Bomer in top 12. George Clooney isn't out yet. Bomer should be the cover soon. All he needs is a lead role in a movie.
- [R298] Matt is in the top 12? I believe last year he wasn't included at all.
Halls and Huvane at number 22
- Thanks R298, at least he represented
I actually thought that Anderson cooper, Ricky Martin and Frank Ocean would also rep - I guess People mag only rates actors
- Henry did audition for Ratner. So they both were up for the part at the same time.
- Simon Halls, Matt Bomer, at the Los Angeles Mission's Thanksgiving for skid row homeless
Thanks R302. It's so nice to see them together like that, and thank God Matt shaved off that awful beard
- Both looking great! And I agree with [R303].
- Larger version of the photo. They look a happy couple. We need to see them snog publicly.
Bomer looks thin. Pretty too without that scruff.
- The Comic Book Fans admire Henry's body, declare that they would go gay for him.
- Simon Halls & Matt Bomer arriving at the Los Angeles Mission's Thanksgiving dinner. They are @ .38
- @306. Damn, chest hair on a ripped physique. It don't get much better than that! Yum.
- Does Simon Halls smoke?
- Simon looks great in that photo. In fact I'd say he looks even better than Matt.
- Doesn't Bomer have to lose a shit-ton of weight for the normal heart? He does kinda look thinner. Wonder if he's still going to be in that.
- R310, you're kinda right. Simon always has that posh, gentleman look about him - so sexy.
But Matt still has that youthful beauty that doesn't fade no matter what he does or wears
- He's not going to lose weight until after the movie starts filming. Based on what we've been told, he's going to do his "healthy" scenes first and then lose weight.
I also think Simon looks better than Matt in those pics. What a reversal.
- They even walk the same pace.
- Any hot stories about Matt that people don't know about? We really need to spice things up here a lil'bit
I've heard that he let's his freak flag fly when he's really drunk and can get pretty wild.
Apparently, he and his ex Mike White were really into kinky stuff like threesomes and such, until Matt got tired of it all and wanted out.
- R315, you made that up and you know it.
- R316 No, he didn't. The threesomes thing and it being the reason (or one of them) why Matt left Mike White has been on DL before. Several times, in fact.
- R317, Thanks babe!
- I'm well aware of what was posted on here. But you are taking scurrilous, at best, gossip, and perpetuating it merely for entertainment value. Next thing you know you'll be reporting that he does, in fact, smell like hyacinth blossoms.
God, Matt's fans are dumb.
- [quote] But you are taking scurrilous, at best, gossip, and perpetuating it merely for entertainment value.
This is the DL right? Hell the gossip is the only reason I come here.
R315 Relative newcomer to DL. Any more details than that?
I figure Matt had to have done some living in his twenties. That's kinda the point of our twenties isn't it? Beautiful young gay raised in a town in Texas by a Christian family, he must have let loose once he left home, especially once he hit NYC.
- I don't even believe that rumor, and yet I think r319 is the dumbest thing I've ever read. Do you know where you are, dear? Did you get lost on the way to the wholesome family entertainment at PBS.org? Scurrilous gossip is the whole point.
- R321 Don't pay R319 any attention. R319 is a Cavill fan, who trolls Bomer threads and accuses his fans of hating Cavill and being dumb on a regular basis. Nothing out of the ordinary, just the usual crazies.
- I really, really love Matt's fans. Incredible people.
*Perpetuating the idea that Matt is an alcoholic slut bottom - based on absolutely nothing - simply because you want to be entertained = GOOD
*Saying something nice about Henry Cavill = TROLLING
- [quote]*Perpetuating the idea that Matt is an alcoholic slut bottom - based on absolutely nothing - simply because you want to be entertained = GOOD
No. Saying the poster made his comment up when you know he didn't = bad. Saying the comment is malicious gossip based on absolutely nothing, if you think so = good. See the difference?
[quote]*Saying something nice about Henry Cavill = TROLLING
No. Bringing him repeatedly up in Matt threads and then accusing Matt fans of hatred = trolling.
- Bomer and his ex Mike White having threesome stories had been going on for awhile. Not quite sure who started it but I read it may be 2 years ago. Bomer looks like fucking sex bomb and looks younger than his age. I often question how Simon Halls keeps him happy. Either Bomer had enough sex in his life to have his appetite mellowed down, or Halls is fucking good in bed.
- Are the Bomer fans the new Anderson Cooper fanatics on DL?
Or not quite there yet?
- R324, this is not a "Matt Fan thread." This is a thread about the casting of Superman. Discussing Henry and his casting is entirely pertinent to the topic. Trolldar will show that you yourself have added nothing of insight or of value to the conversation, except to call Henry a bad actor. Perhaps you should go back to Tumblr if you cannot handle people discussing different actors in an objective manner.
- "Discussing Henry and his casting is entirely pertinent to the topic"
There are other topics on Superman Henry.
- Bomer is too hot and yummy to ignore. Until he talks and publishes a book about his life, people will continue to speculate and gossip.
- R329 completely agree and being one of the hottest creations on earth and talented will always keep the trolls and jealous detractors busy. Just shows Matt has arrived. Matt's always been a class act and always will be. The "freak" threads are comical too, fun to fanatasize and think about, but ultimately unbelievable and funny.
- R347 Can you read? Really, can you? I didn't call Henry a bad actor, I said some fans don't think he's a good one. I haven't seen him enough to call him anything, but other people are allowed to have an opinion different than yours without being accused of hatred.
Wouldn't DL be a nice place if only posts of insight and value were allowed? Oh, right, a gossip and pointless bitchery site, sorry.
- So you admit to suggesting Henry is a bad actor despite not having seen his work.
What was the point of that?
- r322 That troll is everywhere accusing everyone of hating on Henry. She's a fan girl who thinks he's a big star. LOL
- Sorry, I know these private squabbles are neither informative nor fun to read, so I'll take my own advice and stop paying attention.
My very subjective opinion on these last Bomer pics: he looks damn good.
- C'mon guys, Matt is a gorgeous actor who's starting to get recognition and obviously will be talked about.
His fans gossiping about him is quite natural and makes him more interesting. All actors have salacious stories written about them(whether true or not). For such a talented and hot actor, he was relatively unknown until Magic Mike, so if we want him to remain relevant to his fans, this topics will be discussed
And to R323 Everyone has a wild side, it doesn't make us sluts. I think you have a problem accepting Matt as a bottom - HE IS - and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
By the way R325, i've actually heard that Simon is quite good in the sack and is really 'packing'. Also that he always dated hot young guys but can be quite controlling and such (not surprised)
- What a post like r335 illustrates is that many of Matt's fans really have nothing interesting to say about him. Sad really.
- R335 Halls dated hot young guys? Nobody knows who he dated at all. It's a mystery. There were rumors about David Burtka but it's dismissed as just a rumor. He does seem like a controlling person though. Bomer has a strong personality. How did they match who knows. May be he likes being controlled.
- R337 Bomer in real life appears to be more fragile than his personalities on the screen, and is known to prefer older men so!!!!
Simon does have a reputation as a conrol freak and can get nasty if pushed too far - heard this from a friend who knows someone that actually worked with him - The same person is the one who mentioned to me the 'young hot guys' story.
- [R337] To me personally the Burtka story sounded plausible, but of course you're right it's just a rumour. Also, that he had a reputation as a heartbreaker, is something I've only ever heard on DL. But since he seems charming and obviously is used to get what he wants, I assume Matt isn't the first young hot guy he dated. Again, no proof for that of course.
- [R338] Anything else he said about him?
- R338 I won't put it as fragile but I can see what you mean when watch Bomer clinging and being all cutesy with DeKay, Garson, Eastin. I heard about Halls being control freak, but that's his job. Is he same in personal life too? From their infrequent family sightings, it appears he is in charge though. So these "young hot guys", are they actors too? I'm dreading this won't sound too ethical. I tend to believe he bedded Bomer after White Collar casting. Bomer didn't have the confidence for interviews, may be Halls was helping and as you know one thing could lead to another.
R339 I sure hope he doesn't break Bomer's heart. Bomer is a sweetheart and looks content being a family man.
- R340 Just the usual, that he really loves Matt and the kids and doesn't hide that. But he's very controlling and is a workaholic and that sometimes rubs people off the wrong way
- R342 That's a known information. Common knowledge.
- Running photos of Matt & Henry:
As well as David Beckham
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- Before you go spamming your blog onto other sites, you should know that the photo you posted of Alex is actually his head photoshopped onto the body of MTV personality Eric Nies.
God, I hate fangirls.
- R343 What did you want me to say?
I summarised what I was told (didn't want to be seen as intrusive, so didn't ask much) and that was it plus the lil bit of gossip that i've already shared
Replaced with Alex Nude:
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Alex is fun, not bitchy at all.
He never even bothers with the sock.
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- Please stop spamming us with links to your horrible blog, R347/R344. It really is unseemly.
So repressed, jealous, constipated.
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- Matt was number 7 in people's list? Wow, that's pretty high for someone who hasn't had a big movie role yet.
- The real meaning of Superman.
- So, this is the new Matt Bomer fanguuuul thread...
- After I read this thread what I can say is....Matt Bomer fans became hysterical and crazy everytime they read "Henry Cavil" Allergenic, I say.
- What's interesting about Henry is that for a long time he was known for being the runner-up for major roles - most notably James Bond (reportedly it was a very close decision between him and Daniel Craig). It's not inconceivable to me that perhaps rumors about his personal life - which are rumors, mind you - may have influenced the final casting decisions.
He was ultimately able to get Superman because he had a very strong advocate in Christopher Nolan, who gets what he wants at WB.
- [R353] I'm a Bomer fan and I have nothing against Cavill, actually he seems quite nice. No need to constantly play them off against each other.\t
- Matt Bomer - Superman's best fuckbuddy
- Picked up this at the library. Good read. Here's my final take on the whole situation:
The reason Matt was not offered the Superman role was not 100% his sexuality, although that would have been a big part of it. The reason was Brett Ratner's incompetence.
First thing you have to understand is why Ratner was hired. After Warner had thrown $30-$40 million away on "Superman Lives", a movie that was done in by the arrogance of its auteur director Tim Burton, they wanted a pliable, accommodating director who would do what he was told. Basically, a studio hack. They began with McG, but he dropped out to do Charlie's Angels 2, so they chose Brett Ratner. But Ratner was only optioned, he wasn't given a pay-or-play contract. He could be taken off the movie after the option expired.
Now, part of the director's job is to sell the project to talent. For some godforsaken reason, Warner assumed Ratner would be a "talent magnet." Warner wanted a name to play Superman - a hot young name, to hedge the massive investment they were going to make. So Ratner goes around Hollywood trying to sign hot young actors to make this movie.
No one wanted to make this movie. Basically Ratner auditioned everyone in Hollywood, and couldn't get one established name to sign on. Josh Hartnett auditioned and was offered the part four times and turned it down. Jude Law turned it down. Ashton Kutcher turned it down. Paul Walker turned it down. (Walker indicated that he was told the part was his if he said yes. Ironically he sought the advice of none other than Richard Donner, who was directing him in "Timeline." Donner told him to pass.)
So the March expiration date of Ratner's option was coming up and things were not looking good for him. He'd been with the movie for six months already. Allegedly the studio had considered firing him back in January. His feuding with Jon Peters was making the tabloids, and the budget was out of control, heading north of $225 million. Casting was a quagmire. Of his three final choices for the role, Walker dropped out at the last minute, and that left him with Brendan Fraser and Matthew Bomer. Bomer was one of the last actors to screentest.
It would not have been difficult for Warner to find out there were gay rumors about Matthew Bomer. They were discussed online.
So out of everyone in Hollywood, the only people Brett Ratner could deliver for this movie were Brendan Fraser - who at 35 was too old for the role, burdened with another franchise (Mummy), and also very, very expensive - and a gay soap opera actor.
Brett chose the gay soap opera actor. He was going to have a gay actor playing a Superman who would have been moping onscreen, "I'm an outcast! I'm different! I don't know how to talk to girls!" (Seriously, read the script.)
Warner would have been FURIOUS.
So when the option expired, Warner essentially fired him and released Fraser and Bomer from their holding contracts. They were going to start from scratch.
Now where Bomer really go screwed was the way the entertainment press reported this. Enough information leaked about the debacle that the press was able to frame it as "Ratner quit because Warner wouldn't approve his choice of Superman." Ratner was fired because he was doing a terrible job. But the way it was reported, it sounds like Warner found something so objectionable about Matthew Bomer that they refused to hire him and Ratner left because of this. "What could be so objectionable about M.... oooooooooh," Hollywood went. That's how the rumor started.
- [R357] Thanks, that was very interesting to read.
- The autographs he signed @ r219 are on eBay now.
Matt was signing photos of his own ass!
- Love their speeches!
- Both excellent speakers, über intelligent yet know how not to take themselves too seriously. Love their power couple role model status. We could use more like them!
- R362, Exactly!
- Agree with you.
- I'm so glad this finally turned up.
- So, this thread is NOTHING but Bomer's another fangurls thread.
- ...and dyslexia chimes in.
- Apparently they've already settled on Matt as 'Christan Grey' and are just waiting to make it official next year.
- R368 How could they choose the cast already, if they don't even have a script and director yet? IMO it's all just fans speculation.
- The author privately likes Matt for the role and apparently doesn't want a big actor eg Ryan Gosling or Pattinson. And the studio guys have said that they would settle for her choice of Christian.
She also recently said that she wants an actor who's emotionally mature and with a good sense of humour, and a favourite of her fans. So, i'm thinking that her recent request on twitter for fans to name their favoured actor was not in vain.
- Link to the articles where she purportedly said all this?
- [quote] über intelligent
- Genuinely curious how he feels about the role. On the one hand, it must be incredibly validating to know that he's a fantasy object for these women even though he's openly gay.
On the other hand, fans of the worst book ever written have selected him to be its one-dimensional star, a sexual psychopath.
Have you searched 'Christian Grey' on tumblr? It's all him.
- FWIW back in the summer a fan tweeted that Matt signed her copy of 50 Shades.
Maybe more importantly, if you're Matt's agent and manager can you parlay that fervor into offers for better and bigger movie roles?
I can't comment about a book I haven't read, but when they get around to casting the part of Christian I kinda think it would be huge if Matt was even asked to read/test for the part.
- r372 Actually Tim DeKay once mentioned Matt's IQ was incredibly high. I guess when few stars can even put a sentence together, listening to Matt speak comes across as genius. Reading this thread, it would appear few have a command of English, so not really a place to judge.
- I don't find it credible that Tim DeKay actually knows that "Matt's IQ was incredibly high". Matt is so self-effacing that even if he did have a high IQ score he wouldn't go around telling people about it.
In interviews Matt comes across as thoughtful and his vocabulary certainly suggests someone who is a reader. While I'd believe he has a higher than average IQ, I haven't seen or heard anything that suggests he's "über intelligent".
- I just don't think there's any way to make a movie out of something like 50 Shades without it being a piece of crap, and potentially so bad that no one will go see it.
- Exactly. The terrible quality of "50 Shades of Grey" was the number one reason the novel didn't become an international bestseller.
- I doubt it'll be a great movie but if the script is good and they get the right director there's potential for the movie to not suck and make huge amounts of money worldwide.
- I fear so, just what happened with Breaking dawn 2.
- Sad but true.
- r381, my thought exactly when people validate their own likes and dislikes with music or movie chart positions, movie/concert ticket sales, music downloads, TV ratings, DVD/Blu Ray sales, book sales / NY Times Bestseller List, etc.
- Matt on the set of TNN.
- Another one.
- Why fraus keep making this thread Bomer's thread? We are discussing Superman and homophobia here.
R383/R384 Those are already posted hours ago in another thread dedicated to TNN! Please check first. Thank you.
- Thank you thread content Nazi!
- Why did he choose a name that looks so much like boner?
- R386 Did you just call us Nazi?????
- Matt's thong is on wrong. Am I the first person to notice this?
Can I submit this to IMDB's "goofs" page?
- R385 It's a Bomer thread and the world loves him, so it's inevitable. If you don't like it, start your own....
- R389...UR right...I think it's inside out..
- He is aging rapidly. Nobody will hire him after White Collar.
- R392 Bullshit! He's gonna do just fine post WC. And no he's not aging fast if anything he's ageless. You jealous ass gays are so pathetic. Matt has talent and drop dead good looks so his career will undoubtedly continue to thrive. As for his personal life a handsome, wealthy partner and three beautiful children to share his life with. I'd say Matt is doing just fine and you jealous gays just can't deal.
- r392 Sweetie, you need to check current events. Matt's has filmed or is about to film multiple movies with 2 more annoucements soon to come. For a lead actor in a succesful TV show he is one of the busiest actors outside his own program in show business. He is 35 but doesn't look a day over 27, if that. He is one of the hottest men alive. White Collar is actually holding him back but he will leave after season 5 is aired because he has so much opportunity. You must be one of those silly CW groupies that follow aging vampire actors knowing your guy doesn't measure up.
- R393/R394 You both sound like Bomer fangirls.
R392 Bomer looks much younger than his age. In fact, he looks more dashing now! He will have a successful career outside WC. But he should stop giving favors by doing all these little indie films that won't do well in theaters. He can work with Ridley Scott or Ang Lee. Simon Halls could help a little.
- Agree with R395
- Yay, the pod people are here!
He's under contract through Season 7, so no Shelly Long'ing for Matt. And Simon Halls does enough as is.
- r395, fanboy r394 just stated facts for troll or dumbfuk r392. yeah we all know contract season 7 but it allows accoms for career development. they will arrive at a mutual agreement to end WC on a high note while it's still good at end of 5 so he can pursue opportunites he now passes on, then no more indies.
- You seriously believe they will end the show before Matt's contact ends so he can pursue features.
JFC, Matt's fans are dumb.
- I might be in the minority here, but I love WC and hope it doesn't end after season 5. Matt should use the time to get good movie roles that bring him publicity and new fans like MM, and that don't take that much time for him to film.
- Love WC but makes it difficult to do large projects when you film 6 months a year. He deserves more than taking billing behind the likes of mediocre Channing, Justin, etc.
- I'm starting to believe Bomer doesn't have any confidence to be a leading man in any movie.
- Matt needs to build up more recognition with movie goers and wait for the right role; if he takes a leading man role in the wrong movie and it tanks everyone will say out gay men can't playing leading roles.
- R401 I think Channing is hot and handsome in very likable way, everyday American guy type... That's why producers use him as a leading man. On the other hand, Matt is so classically handsome, not very ordinary kind of looks people can feel being related to him.
I think that's why Channing is so popular among producers and being successful recently since other likable guys like Matt Damon, Ben Affleck or Mark Wahlburg became too old and too expensive to play stupid big roles anymore. Just saying my opinion (in bad English, sorry) Being a leading guy in a big movie can be very risky. You can be a failed one by just one bad movie. I hope Matt choose roles wisely...
- R402 That thought had occurred to me also on several occasions. Should that be the case, then what an irony since confidence is the very essence of the character he plays on White Collar.
R404 It isn't just good looks that makes someone likable. A big part of Channing Tatum's appeal is his confidence. I don't find him good looking, but the easy confidence he projects is sexy. Most people -- straight men as well as women -- are going to respond to that kind of confidence.
Yes, Matt is beautiful, but I don't find him sexy. When I see him in interviews I get the sense he's not comfortable in his own skin. That may not be how he is in real life, but that's how he comes across in public to me.
Took me awhile to wade through this thread. Some very good posts on homophobia in Hollywood. I was surprised not to see any reaction here to the controversy over James Gunn's old blog post/poll about which superheroes fans would most want to have sex with.
- Confidence is not the issue. A gay man doesn't just striptease for women without some degree of confidence.
The problem with Bomer, I think, is the same one that James Marsden had, in that his beauty makes him seem inauthentic as a relatable character. Marsden was an incredibly boring actor until he started taking roles that played against his looks, such as Corny Collins in "Hairspray" and the Prince in "Enchanted." Bomer is the same way; he excelled in the early episodes of "White Collar" when it was a more character-driven show and his looks contrasted with Neal's breezy cynicism and a petty immaturity that bordered on bitchiness. There are two early episodes that I watched recently (you can view them on Netflix), "All In" and "Vital Signs", where he is astonishingly good. The problem with "White Collar" is that it ended up becoming a very superficial, plot-driven show, and the character of Neal Caffrey ended up becoming the gorgeous cipher upon which the plot pivoted, while Willie Garson's Mozzie supplanted Neal as the comic counterbalance to Peter Burke's seriousness. It's unfortunate for Matt that the show did not hold up to the promise of the early episodes, because they really showed what an appealing actor he is.
As far as his interviews, he's always been very guarded and inauthentic in interviews, but that shouldn't really come as a surprise for someone who's been attached to a publicist for years and who's been keeping as many secrets as he is.
Does anyone know where to find the full James Gunn list? Looks like Disney's been effective in getting it wiped off Google.
- Breakout stars of 2012.
haha You have absolutely no idea how you sound like such a fangirl.
- r408 and the fangirl troll returns
- R409 and troll calling troll returns
- R407, wow for a minute there I thought that was Henry Cavill.
- Texas Bound I
Monday, February 11, 7:00 p.m.
Matt Bomer reads Ron Carlson's Milk
Matt Bomer is perhaps best known for his role as Neal Caffrey on the USA Network series White Collar. He also had recurring roles on NBC’s Chuck as Bryce Larson and as Ben Reade on Guiding Light. Other television and film work includes Magic Mike, Flightplan, Glee, Traveler, and In Time. He is a graduate of Spring High School and Carnegie Mellon University, where he studied drama.
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- An article from The Star. Interesting, because what they say inside is not exactly what they claim in title IMO. It's more like: It's better, but still not good.
Gay actors no longer fear backlash about coming out
It was the year of “coming out” nonchalantly.
In 2012, three well-known actors, Jim Parsons (The Big Bang Theory), Matt Bomer (White Collar) and Zachary Quinto (Spock in the rebooted Star Trek franchise) sent a signal that being openly gay is no longer career suicide.
But does a pink-tinted glass ceiling remain for major romantic and action roles?
The Hollywood rumour mill has put Bomer on the short list — along with Henry Cavill and Ian Somerhalder, among others — to play the male lead in the upcoming movie version of the steamy soft porn novel, Fifty Shades of Grey. The role of Christian Grey, while definitely kinky, is also resolutely straight.
Novelist/screenwriter Bret Easton Ellis has called the idea of casting Bomer “ludicrous.”
“OK, I’ll say it. Matt Bomer isn’t right for Christian Grey because he is openly gay. He’s great for other roles but this is too big a game,” Ellis tweeted in August.
In October, romance novelist Jackie Collins posited that Bomer had lost out on a now-defunct Superman film in 2003 because studio executives wouldn’t cast a man who was not “out” per se but widely known in the industry to be gay.
Publicist Howard Bragman, who has helped 15 queer actors and sports stars over the past decade manage the “outing” process, said the decision is still a tough one.
“It’s not nonchalant. (Actors) may choose a nonchalant format to leak it out. But these are heart-wrenching decisions, they’re life-affecting, life-affirming decisions and most people struggle for many years before they come to these decisions,” said Bragman, vice-chair of Reputation.com and founder/chair of FifteenMinutes.com.
“So while the method oaf coming out may feel casual, the actual ‘coming out’ is anything but casual,” he added.
Matthew Breen, editor-in-chief of gay news magazine, The Advocate, agreed.
“I think it’s (coming out) probably getting easier but it’s still a barrier too high for a lot of actors,” Breen said.
Particularly for actors vying for big budget Hollywood movies, being open about their sexuality — and damn the consequences — isn’t necessarily an option, Breen said.
“With a studio and all the amassed forces behind an actor in a role, an actor is not always a man or a woman who has total command of his own world,” Breen said.
“There are a lot of people who have a lot of financial ties to big-ticket actors and there’s a lot of resistance within the Hollywood industry, which says ‘you can’t be perceived as a leading man or woman’ (if you’re gay),” he added.
Richard Ferraro, spokesperson for the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD), said 2012 nonetheless marked an important step for queer actors.
“This was definitely a year in which we saw quite a few performers ‘come out’ publicly but with practically no backlash or fanfare. The increasingly matter-of-fact way that performers are addressing their personal relationships demonstrates that, more than ever before, fans are happy to accept them for who they are,” Ferraro said.
But Bragman said, noting that while Ellen DeGeneres has a hugely popular daytime talk show and Parsons and Bomer star in two high-rated television series, there is still no major film star — male or female — who wants to risk losing major roles by disclosing their sexual orientation.
“The opposite is true. You have certain movie stars who will sue you if you imply they’re gay. So we certainly have a way to go,” Bragman said.
- Part 2
Acceptance is also not uniform across the entertainment industry, Bragman noted, citing the example of a former client, country music singer Chely Wright, who married her same-sex partner in 2011.
“When you’re Zachary Quinto and you say ‘I just want to come out and live my truth,’ that’s great. When you’re Chely Wright, who’s in country music — which is a not-welcoming business — and you have an album and a book, you need a lot of exposure because you’re going to lose a lot of your core audience,” Bragman said.
“Truth be told, her album and her book did well but her album didn’t do nearly as well as previous albums have done and we believe ... it was due in large part to that loss of some of her core audience,” he added.
Breen is hopeful that the years ahead will break through the remaining barriers.
“You see actors, you see musicians, you see Orlando Cruz, the first openly gay pro boxer, you see news anchors coming out. A lot of people are really challenging previously long held, firmly-entrenched beliefs and they’re shaking people out of those assumptions about what LGBT’s (lesbian/gay/bisexual/transgender) are. It bodes well for the future,” Breen said.
Bragman is also optimistic.
“A lot of it has to do with younger actors. Younger people just aren’t in the closet. I mean, I know plenty who are but in large part, many aren’t and won’t live in the closet,” Bragman said.
“A lot of actors have said to me ‘I don’t know what will happen to my career after I come out but I’d rather live honestly than make millions of dollars a year and be a liar and not live my truth.’ Every single person I’ve worked with who has come out is happier. The weight of the world has been lifted from their shoulders,” he added.
- I don't know why but Bragman rubs me the wrong way. Maybe because he always manages to make it about himself. Chely was a minor has been singer when she came out.
- Bragman's big in his own mind. Now that Matt has set the standard for coming out in the classiest manner, Bragmans approach is no longer necessary.
- Jackie Collins generation still runs Hollywood. That kind of thinking is pervasive.
- If Bomer makes A-list (or even any kind of major, long-term movie career) it'll be IN SPITE OF the people in 'the industry' rather than because of them. It'll be because enough fans fall in love with him and support his every role - and only if enough do so so that producers/directors etc. HAVE to cast him because he puts so many bums on seats. No one but Ryan Murphy is going to do him any favors. Homophobia is still rampant in Hollywood.
- [quote]Yes, Matt is beautiful, but I don't find him sexy. When I see him in interviews I get the sense he's not comfortable in his own skin. That may not be how he is in real life, but that's how he comes across in public to me.
He's too concern about his looks/appearance. The End.
- You seem to be confusing IRL Matt with fictional Neal, R419. If you see Bomer in candids walking around in his off time, it's clear he's not especially bothered about his appearance (although of course he tends to look very good looking even in candids, because he is).
He's said in interviews he makes a special effort at public appearances because it shows respect to his fans and audience, otherwise there's no reason to say he's "too concern" [sic] about his appearance.
- That's BS. Obviously Bomer is very conscious of his looks, after all, he, um, diets and exercises.
It's narcissism but not the typical kind... Like a self-conscious narcissism.
Watch his stripping in Magic Mike. He's visibly happy with the attention he's getting but also lots of looking out over the audience, eyes moving back and forth. Very self-conscious.
- [quote]Watch his stripping in Magic Mike. He's visibly happy with the attention he's getting but also lots of looking out over the audience, eyes moving back and forth. Very self-conscious.
WTF? Once again, why are you confusing real life Matt with him *playing a role*? In MM, he was playing a fictional character, not being himself.
And of course he's careful about his diet and exercise. He's an actor, and his body and appearance is part of what he's selling.
None of this indicates he's particularly vain or overly bothered with his appearance when he's 'off duty'.
- Most actors can be somewhat vain. Their body is their product. Just like a race driver pays particular attention to his car. I love the movie Flashback of a Fool starring Daniel Craig. The film was about a washed up actor putting on coverup makeup just as a daily routine.
All actors are narcissistic on some level.
- If he was stripping as his "character" then he was not doing a very good job. Longtime veteran stripper would not be that self-conscious.
As for being a narcissist, if he is, BFD. If narcissism did not exist, there would be nobody worthwhile to masterbate too.
- It's sad that some people cannot handle a person like Matt who is astonishingly good looking, talented, smart and all the while humble and elegant. Rare qualities for sure. Try to appreciate it rather than sounding silly criticizing it.
- Good looking. No talent. Powerful husband with great connections in Hollywood.
- People who post that Matt has "no talent" just make themselves look stupid.
- Fangurls...Bomer fans are so low.
- R427 yes, the same stupid trolls whose constant trolling on sites helped make him one of the most popular actors in 2012. 'no talent' comments for him are ludicrous and they know it.
- I hope i'm not the only one not excited about these 'gay' roles that Matt has been offered. He should just stay away from Ryan Murphy otherwise, he'll destroy his career.
Coming out has already limited him in some ways and i'm afraid that if people continue seeing him in these roles, his sex appeal will just fade off
Anyway, I was watching a youtube video about his coming out and there was this person there claiming that Matt was her cousin, and that hollywood turned him gay. She claimed that his family was not impressed with his coming out statement and that Matt is not gay since he dated girls in high school lol!
She was also blaming Matt's manager for everything, claiming that he (the manager)sold Matt off to a wealthy gay man (aka Simon).
Here's the video link. Just read the comments below
- Oops! Sorry guys. I read the comments again and she didn't say that his manager sold him off to Simon, just that he marketed him as such (i.e married to Simon)
- People may dislike Ryan Murphy, but whatever other faults he has, at least he's hiring gay actors. I don't see anyone else beating down the doors of the actors who came out this year to offer them roles.
The opposite of taking a role with Ryan Murphy is not taking a role with a respected film director; it's unemployment. Besides, he hasn't actually been "gay" onscreen yet.
Randomly, it's upsetting that the reaction among much of his fandom to the news about The Normal Heart has ranged from "Poor widdle Matty has to lose weight! Oh no however will he cope!" -- like he's not a grown man with millions of dollars who can decide that for himself and hire the best doctors to help -- to "He's playing gay! Oh no! Now people will think he's gay and he will always be stuck playing gay roles forever!" as if (a) it's a bad thing for a gay actor to reclaim gay roles from straights, (b) he doesn't have a bunch of Hollywood insiders advising him, and (c) he might want to take the role for personal reasons since, you know, he's a gay man. It's like they want him to be a childlike idiot who needs input from uninformed straight women to make it through life.
From a group of people who are supposedly supporting an out actor, it's nasty.
- r432 is right on the money. Why shouldn't he work with Ryan Murphy? He should hold out for directors that may never come around?
- R430 LOL I've read the comments by this woman who pretends to be Matt's cousin. They are hilarious. I'm still not sure if she is completely crazy or if she is a very skilled troll. Probably a troll and some people already took the bait. LOL
BTW she also implied that Simon isn't gay as well. LOL
R432 Generally I would agree, but the problem is that Ryan Murphy isn't a respected film director. Actually all his film work was critically panned. And sometimes it's better to not accept an offer than to be attached to a project, that could be potentially critically panned and flop in ratings. Something like that could have a bad impact on your career. Especially that Matt is not unemployed yet so he doesn't need to accept each offer. He still has White Collar and he has other work as well (SS76, hopefully YDLMY).
As for gay actors being offered gay roles, of course there is nothing wrong with that, as long as those are not the only roles actor is offered. Not only there aren't enough roles like that written, which means that if gay actors were offered only those roles they would be unemployed for most of the time. Also offering someone only those roles means that the actor is not considered talented enough to pull off different kind of roles and he is able to only play himself. We don't here people talking that straight actors are not talented enough to play gay, but unfortunately we still here that gay actors can't play straight characters.
Of course Bomer isn't typecast yet like many other gay actors before him and so far he is playing various roles, but it doesn't mean he shouldn't be careful.
- R433 Thank you!
- But r434, he is doing straight roles. He's only taken two gay roles, neither of which have even aired yet. One is going to air at the beginning of 2013 and the other in 2014 (assuming it goes according to schedule), at least a year from now. Every other role he's had so far, including things he's done after he came out, has been straight.
One gay project a year, one of which is 20 minute sitcom and will probably showcase his comedy skills, isn't the same as only doing gay roles for the rest of his career.
Some of his fans are acting like any mention of his name in conjunction with a gay project is going to ruin his life, without considering that is gay and out, and maybe he wants to do those projects. There's nothing wrong with being gay and out, and this attitude of disdain and fear toward "gay" movies is not exactly helping fight homophobia in Hollywood.
- R436 I DID write that he is not typecast yet and that he is doing various roles, so your point is?
And nobody says there is anything wrong with being gay or out, or with playing gay characters. What's wrong is being typecast in whatever role. That's what people are worried about. There is no disdain against "gay" movies, but against being typecast. If Matt was offered only roles of charming conmen for the rest of his career it wouldn't be good as well.
- There may have been potential for Bomer to be the breakthrough "actor who is gay" instead of "gay actor" and mature into versatile roles in major films; but I don't think that it is likely with the projects he chooses. I'm not his agent so I can't judge the kind of roles he accepts vs. the kind of roles he is offered, but the trend among the roles he accepts is that they in some way refer to his real-life homosexuality: Magic Mike in which his casting was used to sell the film to gay audiences; the two Ryan Murphy guest-spots; Space Station 76, which is essentially a gay camp film, and now Normal Heart. Basically, he appears to be Gaylisting himself.
I'm not foolish to think that casting directors from big movies are knocking down his door to offer him non-gay roles, but there are other ways to develop your career (indies, theater) which will allow you to do versatile roles. The two most successful glass-closeters right now, Lee Pace and Luke Evans, are successful because they are versatile.
Bomer will always be an interesting case. People will always be like, "Could he have played this" or "could he have played that" much like what was done in regards to this thread, "Could he have played Superman."
- R438 - hope you are not saying Lee and Luke are bigger than Matt, because they are not by a long shot. They both would like Matt's career right now. Matt wasn't chosen for Magic Mike to attract a gay crowd, he was chosen because he is among the hottest men on earth that appeals to millions of straight women who could care less about his orientation, that is the biggest break through in Mattts coming out. Women don't care that he's gay, that is those with a brain.
- R439 Vielen Dank, Frau! Aber ich denke, Ihr Tumblr wartet auf Sie. Es ist in den Bedürfnissen der GIFs.
- R439 You're delusional. Lee Pace is on the short list for the Guardians of the Galaxy. We don't know if he'll get the role, but it's significant that he is being seriously considered by casting directors and producers for a lead role in what is expected to be a major Hollywood blockbuster. You think anyone is offering opportunities like that to Bomer? And Luke Evans has been working steadily in major movie productions for the last few years, roles that are bigger than anything that Bomer has done.
R438's assessment is on the nose. I thought there was potential for Bomer to be that breakthrough "actor who is gay", but I think that possibility is rapidly diminishing. It's hard to see him as having any kind of significant movie career if he keeps making the kinds of choices he does, but will he even have much of a TV career as a leading man once White Collar ends? Bomer was cast in White Collar before he came out. Once it ends, will any network have any interest in offering him a lead role in another series? Or will he just end up in whatever show Ryan Murphy does next?
- [quote]And Luke Evans has been working steadily in major movie productions for the last few years, roles that are bigger than anything that Bomer has done.
Please! Those "major movie productions" that ugly closted Luke has been in were almost all supporting roles in forgettable movies. Nobody's checking for him as a lead. Luke wishes he was the lead in a hit television show and wishes he made the money that Matt makes - after all, his greed is why he pussied out and went back in the closet.
On top of all that, Luke is 2 years younger than Matt yet looks 10 years older! Matt has leading man looks, Luke's ugly ass doesn't.
- R441 You are talking about a young talented actor who risked it all by coming out and is now an inspiration to other young gay men out there who proudly look up to him.
you may not be a fan but don't despise his situation as it is. When we see him in mags strolling down the street with his family proudly, i'm reminded every time that alot has changed and by being honest about himself, he's trending the change
We should be wishing him all the best with his career because if he makes it, it will open doors for others who are discriminated against for sth that is beyond them and is part of their being
- He's probably not being offered the choice straight/action parts. Didn't Luke MacFarlane say recently that the parts dried up as soon as he came out? There's a reason Luke Evans ran back into the closet when Hollywood came calling.
- IMO if you look at the things he's doing he's clearly trying to be versatile: In Time was an action movie (and it has been his biggest movie role so far), Space station will be science fiction, TNH will be drama, WC is crime and there's some comedy in between (Glee, TNN). The only thing missing is a big romantic movie, but I don't know if he even wants to do that. Otherwise, his roles haven't been that big and that's something which hopefully will change, but they clearly have been versatile and I'm sure that was on purpose, in order to avoid being typecast. So I think Matt (with the help of Simon and his agent) knows what he's doing.
- r441 - LOL, you sound like a fool! Reality check: I work for a studio and had to IMDB Luke to find out who the fuck he is then I realized he is that 'never was or will be'. Is that you Luke typing away? It's all about where you are right now and where you are headed and Bomer is now, and headed higher than both Lee and Luke. And please don't use the standard, tired queen 'fangirl' retort, I love Lee. Until Matt moves on from White Collar, he will be hamstrung with regard to big movie committments as all lead TV actors in a regular series are. It's best to spew when you know what you are talking about.
- R444 you do realise that many straight actors are also out there waiting for those lead roles and not working at all
Matt is doing very okay despite it all and maybe the reason he's not getting 'those roles' is that he's not a famewhore. Some actors are hired by the studios just because their names are everywhere and their fans will buy anything with their names attached to it, whether they're talented or not
So please let's respect the fact that he's trying while still preserving his privacy esp out of respect for his family like he said before
- I do respect that, r447. My point was that it was a big deal for him to come out and he did risk something. So all this nitpicking about how he's not conducting his career in the exact right way is silly. We don't know what challenges he faces and what he has to choose from
- Holy hell, fangirl meltdown above.
R442, R446 = Go to hell.
And you other guys need to drop the "St. Matthew" bullshit. While I admire him or anyone who publicly accepts the "gay" label that society yolks on us, very few people have done what Matt did to get to where he is.
- R442 I never said Luke Evans was a leading man, but he is working steadily in movies. How many movies has Bomer done and how big have his roles been compared to Evans?
Bomer's leading man looks don't mean much if no studio or producer wants to offer a gay actor lead roles.
White Collar is a basic cable show and hardly a hit. It's not even USA's top rated show. Burn Notice, Suits, Royal Pains, and Covert Affairs have better ratings. If you want to talk hits then look at The Walking Dead. Or even a show like Sons of Anarchy that has grown its audience with every season and has several times in the past season won its time slot in the 18-49 demographic. Ratings wouldn't be everything if White Collar was critically acclaimed, but it gets no critical buzz and no Emmy attention.
[quote] don't despise his situation as it is
R443 No one is "despising" Bomer's situation. This is a frank discussion about what being openly gay means to an actor's career. It's disingenuous to pretend that there are no consequences to an actor's career when he comes out.
R446 You must work in the mail room given your lack of awareness of what's happening in the industry. Charlie Hunnam of Sons of Anarchy is the lead in Guillermo del Toro's Pacific Rim, one of the big summer releases of 2013. Aaron Paul of Breaking Bad is slated to star in four new movies.
- White Collar occupies the most difficult timeslot of the week of the USA shows you mention and hands about 3.6 / 1.0 to Covert Affairs in its easier time which then squanders the lead in and produces the same or usually inferior numbers than WC. USA execs are quite happy with WC performance. And look what's happened, Matt is USAs biggest star and the virtually the only one currently working outside his show in significant projects.
- R449 = Luke
Truth hurts, doesn't it?
- r452 - you got that right, or a Luke 'fangirl.' Oh wait, there is no such thing, he doesn't have any. LOL.
- R453 Exactly. I can't believe some fool is trying to act like this never was/never will be is some big star. Where? In their imaginations?
Even more disturbing is how instead of being proud of a handsome, successful, talented OUT actor, they want to try to put him down. Sad what self hate does to people.
- R450 What's fascinating about Bomer is that, despite the typical metrics that one would use to gouge a star's popularity like ratings, awards recognition, critical buzz, or magazine covers, Matt is oddly quite famous. I think he was #4 in JustJared's most viewed celebs and in the top 50 of IMDB's for the year. Internet communication has made fame something of a grass-roots phenomena now.
So he has accrued a great deal of "capital" and it's curious to see how he's using it.
R453 & R454: How many years have Matt and Simon been together?
- r455 - 'tis really quite simple. Regardless of the number of movie roles or his shows ratings, people recognize talent and that something special that few really have. That is what creates fans and fame.
- How many years?
- Stupidest fungurl thread EVER.
- homophobes made him popular on JJ. LOL That was so funny. I really don't think those haters and JJ gossipers understand "talent" you guys are talking about.
- Some news of TNH
- R442, I like Luke and Matt, but. . . . I must correct this.
[quote]Please! Those "major movie productions" that ugly closted Luke has been in were almost all supporting roles in forgettable movies. Nobody's checking for him as a lead. [/quote]
Luke has four upcoming leading roles. He has one of the major roles in the upcoming Hobbits. (click on link)
Plus, he's the lead in Fast Six (Fast and Furious series) as the villain. Plus, he plays the lead in No One Lives.
According to his FB, he's about to drop some good news.
Regarding Matt, he has a very powerful man in his corner, so that should help along his career.
However for those, that don't have that trump card, it is hard to come out and expect to work. As someone said, roles are hard to come by for straight actors, let alone gay ones.
I know it's a sad commentary, but let's not act as if Luke is doing something that any smart actor wouldn't do, if they want to work.
Plus, there are tons of gays actors doing what he's doing, so let's not condone one for the "sins" of many.
Instead, I think the gay community should form their own cinema, much like the black community. That's the only way to make change is to create a forum for your own, not bash an actor trying to make it in the mainstream.
- Oh, here we go again - another fangurl from IMDB like at R461 has invaded the thread.
Look, you can pretend all you want that Luke is some big star, but the fact remains that you can ask any random person if they know who Matt Bomer is and most people will say yes (or at least heard the name) and you can ask any random person if they know who Luke Evans is and the majority of people will say, "Who???".
Matt will make more movies when he's damn well ready and has the time. Right now, he's busy pulling in a reported six-figures an episode as the lead of a hit television show. Luke wishes he made that kind of money and had that kind of success.
- R461 regarding your last point, there IS a network of gay executives and creative content producers that are in the position to change stereotypes, yet they magnify them. That's primarily the frustration with Ryan Murphy that you see expressed on here. It think it's worth comparing the influence and effect of Murphy versus someone like Shonda Rhimes, who creates shows like Grey's Anatomy and Revenge that have redefined roles for black actors. There is a show called Deception on NBC tonight starring a black actress who is being marketed on her sex appeal and who will be having a white love interest on the show, and it is not produced by Shonda Rhimes; the producer is a white woman. That's progress. Murphy represents gays exactly how they have always been represented, just with the volume turned up.
The Murphy/Bomer collaborations were inevitable given that he appears to be his husband's best friend, but it also says a lot about the nature of gay representation and self-representation and basically what it means to be gay and be an actor/celebrity. The nature of camp is irony; the awareness of itself. The nature of the actor is to disappear into the role. The Murphy/Bomer collaborations always seek to remind the audience that the character played by Bomer is a gay actor in real life; thus you have him playing "Cooper Anderson" on Glee, and whatever unfortunate allusions we will see tomorrow on New Normal. These roles are camp roles. If you are going to have a gay actor successfully transition beyond "gay actor", you cannot have them defining themselves through camp.
R462, GIFs, Tumblr.
- So, The Normal Heart is now a TV movie in 2014. Great. Everyone can watch & record without paying it. Rest of the world can watch it soon after Us airing. Great, great..
- Lee Pace is OUT the short list for the Gardians of the Galaxy and Luke Evans is no big star, just an opportunistic liar.
- The worst Luke has done is pretend he has a girlfriend. Bomer pretended he didn't have children.
Cooper Anderson's character is straight..
Matt was critically acclaimed for singing and for his comedy.
Monty's character on The new Normal will be comical and touching.
He should be bi.
The New Normal is sit-com.
The real gay character for Matt is Felix Turner in The Normal heart. ( Ryan chose him first for The Normal Heart (2011) .. then came the comic characters GLEE and The New Normal)
He always played straight characters.
With Glee and Magic Mike has become more popular.
Every day,fans of Glee ask Matt returns to Glee. Ryan He put it in the New Normal.
The Normal Heart is a great story. Only a fool would refuse to act in this movie.
Matt has always stated that he is interested in telling great stories (not be a star) . The Normal Heart it is a story he wants to help tell as Mark Ruffalo, Julia, Jim Parsons and same Ryan.
Matt has talent. Strong work ethic. He just wants to play. Don't be a star, but became popular anyway.
- The problem with Luke Evans is that he's making a fool of himself. Everybody knows he's gay.
- This catfight rivals the Madonna/Gaga fans.
- Luke Evans makes his choices and his career, but we must also respect the choices of Matt
- R463 Are you me?
This is what i've been trying to say here, and it's frustrating. We don't have to feed the homophobes with the stereotypical roles that Murphy seems to love so much. Some of the twitter comments about Bomer from his straight male fan base have been that he seems like one of them and that's refreshing. He's not the usual 'camp' gay stereotypes that they usually encounter. Infact, it shocks some of them that he can act so straight, and they respect and admire him for that
I know that it's hard for some gay men to lose the 'fem - mannerisms', but we don't have to force it on people to prove a point. Gay men are made fun of because we're assumed to be weak and wanting to be like women, and we all know what most straight men think of women unfortunately. So if we are going to have rep in hollywood esp or wherever, we'll need to tone down on the camp characters
And please don't get me wrong here, i'm not saying that we all now start acting straight. Just that a diff kind of gay representation should be put out there for a change, and people like Murphy are in a position to do that
- Children's Matt are children's Simon.
He spoke of his children when he has regularized its position or the relationship between him and Simon has become solid.
Children are not a toy to be beaten on a newspaper.
Luke Evans has discovered to be bi :D
- R472, how is babby formed?
- r471 jesus christ woman, grow a pair!
why are you so deathly afraid what anti gay homophobes think (and you are one of them)? you know, stereotypes exist for a reason. why not celebrate it?
- [quote] Some of the twitter comments about Bomer from his straight male fan base have been that he seems like one of them and that's refreshing. He's not the usual 'camp' gay stereotypes that they usually encounter. Infact, it shocks some of them that he can act so straight, and they respect and admire him for that
This is far from a good thing. It's more "thank god you don't ACT like a fairy". They'd probably still vote against guys getting married and say that guys kissing in movies "grosses them out, bro".
Think better of yourself and don't settle for the crumbs.
- R474 yes, celebrate, but then let's not complain about gay actors not working in hollywood. We try to be defensive and rebellious when someone states the obvious yet we know where the problem is
Spielberg spoke today of studios refusing to fund his new film 'Liberace' because they felt that it was 'too gay', despite the two leads being both straight and A-list. Yet they were okay with Brokeback Mountain.
Being camp is okay, but not all gay men are like that and I don't think stating that fact is homophobic at all.
- Trolls invest so much time in the futile effort of attempting to knock someone down who is clearly on his way to big things. I guess that's what they are paid to do so they will continue with their futile efforts. Classic that he made JJ top 4 partially due to troll efforts.
Luke, sorry but you're not on your way to big things. What a delusional Mary.
- First Look: Matt Bomer Gets Animated for Superman: Unbound
Matt Bomer is going up, up and away — into the world of animation. The mild-mannered White Collar star has landed the lead in the upcoming movie Superman: Unbound. Coming this spring to DVD, Blu-ray and On Demand, the film features an all-star cast, including Fringe's John Noble as the world-destroying alien Brainiac and Castle costars Stana Katic and Molly Quinn as Superman's girlfriend, Lois Lane, and cousin, Kara (aka Supergirl), respectively.
Based on a 2008 Action Comics storyline by Geoff Johns, Superman: Unbound — the latest in a series of movie adaptations from Warner Bros. Animation and DC Entertainment — pits the Man of Steel against Brainiac, an alien who attacks planets, shrinks one city small enough to fit in a bottle, then destroys the rest of the planet. "He's the ultimate collector," says director/supervising producer James Tucker (Batman: The Brave and the Bold). "He says what he's doing is the name of science and ultimate knowledge, but really he just wants stuff and he doesn't want anyone else to have access to it."
In the film's second story thread Superman struggles to relate to the women in his life. As his romance with Lois heats up (in his secret identity as Clark Kent), he worries that she could be in jeopardy if his enemies discover their connection. And his paternal instincts drive him to be overprotective of the teenage Kara — despite the fact that she has super abilities on par with his.
Bomer took on this new identity with ease. "He had a jovial energy that was a little counter to what we usually do with Superman," Tucker says. "But he also had that decency in his voice that Superman really needs no matter which way you go with him."
Noble was also perfectly suited for his role. "I could listen to him all day," Tucker says. "John had a lot of energy and he really got into the psychology of what was motivating Brainiac. He brought a level of intelligence, but also that slight bit of crazy that a super villain needs to have under the surface to make him compelling."
In addition to the dazzling voice cast, Tucker (who also did the character design) is quite pleased with the movie's score, from composer Kevin Kliesch. "I wanted it to sound like a contemporary movie," Tucker says of his directive to Kliesch, whose credits include the recent ThunderCats relaunch and the upcoming Disney Channel series Sofia the First. "There's a lot of guitars and percussion, a lot of driving music, it's not orchestral at all. The music's not like any movie Superman movie you've seen."
- r478 - the reference was to Matt on his way to big things since it referes to #4 on JJ. Luke is a never will be...
- Ooops, sorry.
- We should promote and exalt bisexual and gay dudes that are masculine and athletic every chance we can.
- Why do Matt's fans hate other actors?
- I don't think Matt's fans hate other actors. I think on DL and other places other actors names are brought up and erroneously stated to be better than or more famous than Matt so it sets up a discussion. I personally like Matt, but also many other actors who are great at their craft as well. If you follow other actors sites you will see the same thing, no different. Matt received more BS due to his orienation than the average straight actor would which also results in defensive fan comments and rightfully so.
- Only idiots would brag about Bomer being #4 on some JJ list as if it's some sort accomplishment of which to be proud. Being the object of prurient curiosity about his sexuality and private life is hardly anything Bomer would view as noteworthy. Christ, Prince Harry is #1 on that list because he likes to show his dong at parties.
Too bad we can't have a discussion of gay actors in Hollywood without having it derailed by shrill fangurls who reflexively construe anything that is not glowing praise of the object of their mindless adoration as jealousy and self-hatred. Okay, we get it. Bomer is the Most Perfect Gay Man on the planet, blessed with looks and talent that we puny self-loathing mortals can only envy.
[quote] Why do Matt's fans hate other actors?
They're like children who think that by attacking other actors it somehow elevates Bomer.
R476 The two main characters in Brokeback Mountain were gay, but they were also cowboys, men who were masculine and straight acting, something you could never accuse Liberace of being. I think that goes to R471's point about what straight males are comfortable with in terms of dealing with gay men. They don't like too much "gayness". And let's face it, the boardrooms of Hollywood look like the boards of corporate America -- predominantly straight white men. Any studio executive who might be willing to take a risk on a gay-themed movie must answer to the board.
R461 Case in point, Malcolm X was financed by wealthy members of the black community (e.g. Bill Cosby, Oprah). Rather than waiting for Hollywood to tell gay stories we should look to tell our own.
Ryan Murphy has said that there were no gay models for him when he was growing up. If the characters he creates in shows like Glee and The New Normal reflect him, then that's his right and there's nothing wrong with it. However, I don't want Murphy's characters to be the only type of gay role models seen on television. We live in a time where gays can serve openly in the military. Where are the stories that reflect that? Hopefully Murphy's success will encourage other gay writers to develop broader, more diverse views of gay life and for networks to take a chance on them.
[quote] The Murphy/Bomer collaborations always seek to remind the audience that the character played by Bomer is a gay actor in real life; thus you have him playing "Cooper Anderson" on Glee, and whatever unfortunate allusions we will see tomorrow on New Normal. These roles are camp roles. If you are going to have a gay actor successfully transition beyond "gay actor", you cannot have them defining themselves through camp.
This is also my take on Bomer's work on Glee and TNN. One day we will have a breakthrough "actor who is gay", but I don't think it's going to be Bomer.
- R485 Bomer will be the breakthrough out actor the gay comm has been looking for. He's already gaining popularity steadily esp amongst the elusive straight male demographic and young women - as a sex symbol - and that to me is huge
He will nail it for us and all the best and luck to him
- R485 he truly is, you can see it every day. Major milestone for us to finally have an out gay actor who is a sex symbol for straight women, finally!
- R487 was responding to 486
- R486, R487 I had hopes for Bomer, but wishing it doesn't make it so. Bomer could still surprise, but it's going to take some sort of unexpected breakthrough movie role for that to happen and there's nothing on his plate that looks like that type of role.
- ...And fittingly we come to the root of our problem with this still from tomorrow's episode of The New Normal.
There was always the potential that Bomer would be reduced to The Gay Male Body Made Available For Mass Consumption. If you've belonged to a gay gym, you've seen this person. You've seen this face. This is Queer As Folk. This is a stereotype.
I'm sorry, but he's yoking himself to "gay actor".
[quote]Major milestone for us to finally have an out gay actor who is a sex symbol for straight women
This is not a milestone. This is the problem.
- Sit-com = humor.
take a ride out of here and read that women drool on this picture.
For them ... Matt = hot.
Take a ride on the forum superhero and read straight men happy that his voice will be Superman.
Some gay people have problems on the choice of Matt.
If you don't like. Take another as a model.There are other actors out.
- Matt will always equal hot. That's not the issue. The issue is that people are treating it as if it's something special... because, he's, you know, [italic]different.[/italic]
Additionally, where do you people learn to speak English? I seriously want to know.
- They don't learn English, r492, hence the incomprehensible posts.
But I disagree with you that people are treating his hotness as different. At least, not among straight women. They just drool (rightfully, in my opinion) over his incredible hotness. I haven't seen that they drool over him any differently than they drool over straight actors. The discomfort seems to come in part from gay media, who don't seem to know what to do with themselves now tht there's the potential for an out sex symbol.
- That was exactly my point, it's the people who are treating the [italic]idea[/italic] that women are finding him hot as something special that is the problem.
Bret Ellis actually said something very smart when he was dragging Matt through the rafters, he said "The complicated problem with Matt Bomer has to do with male attractiveness in our society and how we embrace/denounce it."
The way I see it, it's like people are saying that being recognized for his attractiveness is an achievement, because he is gay. Which reinforces the idea that his sexuality, or homosexuality, informs his work. Which is reinforced by the projects he chooses where he is reduced to his sexuality (Magic Mike, The New Normal apparently.) Which reduces him to "gay actor."
A complicated problem indeed.
- [quote] Take another as a model.There are other actors out.
R491 You're clearly confused. English is not your first language? My post covered a number of points, not all of them relating to Bomer. When I said gay role models I was talking about creating more diverse gay characters and telling different kinds of stories in addition to the stereotypical gay characters and story lines created by Ryan Murphy.
As for Bomer himself we're discussing what kind of professional choices he's making and how that could potentially affect his career as an actor. As I said I don't think the breakout actor is going to be Bomer. I believe it will be an actor from the next younger generation that will follow.
- R494 Does that Bret Ellis quote on Matt Bomer come from a particular article or interview? I'd be interested in reading it in its entirety.
- [quote]That was exactly my point, it's the people who are treating the idea that women are finding him hot as something special that is the problem.
That's true, but where is that happening except here in this thread?
He's only chosen one project so far (Magic Mike) that relies on his sexuality. It's true that TNN released a shirtless still, but I don't think it's fair to say that a role in a sitcom is dependent on his hotness based solely on the promo. And even if it is, he's clearly trying to take roles that move him beyond just that to avoid being labelled "gay actor". Whether he's successful or not remains to be seen, but I bet that if he ever has a sizeable role in a drama, the conversation will revolve around something other than his abs.
But regardless, I think the much bigger problem than Matt Bomer's acting choices (and the real reason this is such an uphill struggle for everyone, even him) is behind-the-scenes homophobia in the industry. I'm not one of those who feels that Ryan Murphy needs to go away, but I do think we need more diversity in the gay voices that are represented. Until Hollywood gets off its ass and starts offering out actors decent roles, and allowing producers not named Ryan Murphy to put out overtly gay content, nothing will change.
- R496 No, it came from his Twitter meltdown. I remembered it because it struck me that he basically managed to explain the entire problem of casting Matthew Bomer. Beginning of August.
- r485 So much time on your hands and apparently expertise in just about everything. Such perfection, why are you spending so much time trolling DL? Maybe you could cure cancer or solve the Middle East issues. It sounds more like you cannnot stand the thought of Matt doing so well. I suggest you step aside as he continues his succesful climb. He is going to be around for a long, long time and it will just frustrate you. So close your little dell laptop in your tiny home office and start that novel you have always wanted to write. It would be more productive.
- Matt is hot.. Matt is talented. Matt is becoming a big star. Jealous haters going to hate.
[quote] Why do Matt's fans hate other actors?
Exactly. Pathetic Bomer fans overuse the word "talent" for mediocre acting and karaoke singing.
- R499 Thanks for being the poster child for the type of shrill and hysterical Bomer fangurl that I described.
- R497 Bomer was cast in Magic Mike in the September 2011, before he was out. I think his primary reason for picking that role was to work with Steven Soderbergh.
[quote] I bet that if he ever has a sizeable role in a drama, the conversation will revolve around something other than his abs.
This is what I mean as a breakout role in a movie. It doesn't necessarily have to be a lead role, but I think a good, interesting supporting role that allows Matt to give a revelatory performance that makes viewers see him in a new, unexpected light would be a boost to his career.
- I agree. I'm not impressed by his recent choices to fill his resume by small/guest roles although I understand that Matt must have been so excited by numerous offers from big name producers.
Look at Jeffrey Donovan. The guy did some roles in Changeling and J. Edgar while Burn Notice's hiatus. They were very good choices, and only movies he did recent years after Burn Notice started. This resume is quite impressive and interesting. Do you know what I mean? Donovan has good eyes.
- I wonder if Matt and Joe M. are still friends.
- You can't compare Bomer to Donovan. Jeffrey Donovan doesn't have to worry about choosing hiatus movies that would allow him to spend the time with his partner and three kids. And, oh yeah, Jeffrey Donovan doesn't have to deal with the fallout of being gay.
- What's Matts best physical quality?
- [quote]Bomer was cast in Magic Mike in the September 2011, before he was out. I think his primary reason for picking that role was to work with Steven Soderbergh.
He may have not have been out, but everyone knew. He was the most transparent of the glass-closeters along with Cooper (thus the joke on "Glee"). Of course he accepted the role to work with Soderbergh, but don't be fooled if you don't think the producers knew (and [italic]he knew[/italic]) that he would be used as an asset in marketing the film to a gay audience. The NY Times even wrote an article on it.
[quote]I think a good, interesting supporting role that allows Matt to give a revelatory performance that makes viewers see him in a new, unexpected light would be a boost to his career.
This is true of any actor. The problem with Bomer is that with the choices he is making, he is defining himself more and more as "gay actor". The purpose of an actor is to disappear into a role, not have the role or the casting reference their personal life.
- Oh, god - the bitter jealous bitches have invaded the thread.
How about you quit bitching and try supporting this handsome, successful, OUT actor instead of bitching about him? Oh, I forgot - sad queens like yourself don't want to support your own, you'd rather support straight and fake-bi female celebs that you can worship and make them into "gay icons". *rolling eyes*
- Ok, for some DL
Bomer not play stright guys because he's gay.
Bomer not play gay guys because he's gay.
Conclusion: Bomer should not play LOL
- Why are y'all bitches here saying that Matt is now a 'gay actor'?
Yes the role on TNN was unnecessary but he's hardly now a gay actor' c'mon now. Bomer is the only out actor right now that I can think of, who's getting buzz because of his TALENT and SEX APPEAL. We're always complaining that our out actors don't get the same promotion as other straight actors because we're not considered 'sexy' enough, but then when one of us finally get's it, we blast him for some reason
Bomer is sexy, talented and mysterious, sth hollywood media is not used to getting from their out celebs. So, if this will change their portrayal of out celebrities, I welcome it.
- R505, Yes they are. Were you hoping for otherwise?
- R511 What you are talking about is an out CELEBRITY. This is a frank discussion on being an out actor and what it means to get work.
- What's the difference R513?
- R507 His eyes and ass - in my opinion
- The difference is being valued for your acting and being valued for your gayness.
What's with all the "sth"? Are you the hissing Eldergay everyone is talking about?
- But most of the people commenting on his photo or appearance (on twitter or elsewhere) hardly even mention his sexuality, I only read it here on DL
It seems to me that there's alot of jealousy or whatever in the gay comm towards Bomer which baffles me. Normal jealousy is okay cos he's smoking hot, but some are taking it to another level that's baffling. It's like they're hoping that he would fail, forgetting that he may be the one who actually changes people's attitude towards gay people in general and not just in hollywood
I know that there are many gay people out there fighting for our rights and all or inspiring change in whichever way. But Bomer could actually do it - his way- in hollywood and really, we should support him
He doesn't have tha 'gay actor' label yet so let's not exaggerate things please.
- Sadly it appears the only people attempting to label Matt a 'gay actor' happen to be on gay sites. Good news is that with his talent, looks and professional guidance he is going down a thoughtful path and will become huge. As mentioned above good to finally have an out actor who is a sex symbol for straight women and gay men alike. Big threshold crossed here. Also good to have a new role model. He carries himself in life so perfectly.
- Again that's where the failure is, the idea that the out actor NEEDS to become the crowd symbol.
- R518 He pretended he didn't have a family so he could become a television star!!! Why do people forget this???
- [quote]What's Matts best physical quality?
Impossible to single one out. His only 'flaws' possibly worth a mention (and this is being beyond picky) are that his shoulders are a little too narrow, and he could maybe be an inch or two taller. Otherwise he's pretty much flawless physically.
[quote]But most of the people commenting on his photo or appearance (on twitter or elsewhere) hardly even mention his sexuality, I only read it here on DL.
[quote]He pretended he didn't have a family so he could become a television star!!! Why do people forget this?
Um, maybe because he didn't do any such thing? Jesus.
- Basically when we do get to the point of having a "breakthrough" actor it is going to have to be someone who knows how to say "No" a little more often.
- He hid his husband's kid in the closet.
- R523 Like you said yourself, they are his husband's kids. Why should he talk about kids, that were not his at the beginning of their relationship?
When you start dating a person with children, they are not becoming your children immediately. The biological parent needs time to know better their partner, before they allow them to be a parent of their children as well. Some people actually never reach that point.
Bomer started talking about children when both him and more importantly, the biological father, were ready for that. Nothing strange about that.
- I agree with you, r525, but around here those kids are viewed as equally his for some reason.
- [quote]Bomer started talking about children when both him and more importantly, the biological father, were ready for that.
That must have been a fascinating conversation he had with himself.
- R522 it's a sitcom and he is in character proving again he can do comedy and drama quite well. Well rounded roles you know.
R523 blah,blah,no one cares, blah...
- R526 It's entirely possible that they are equally his, now. Maybe he adopted them, maybe not, I have no idea. And it's pretty obvious that he loves them and that he is their parent as much as Simon Halls.
But it's ridiculous that some people expect that it was always like that, even in the beginning of their relationship.
If I had children and my new boyfriend at the beginning of our relationship suddenly announced that my children are also his now, I would kick his ass out. That would be incredibly creepy. I would be actually suspicious of him. He first would have to earn my trust.
LOL, I don't even want to have children, but I already feel protective about them, just because of that ridiculous idea.
- R527 Yes WIMBST, we know what you mean. You wanted to tell us, that you forgot to take your meds again.
- God, I hate you people.
- This was a terrible idea.
He couldn't come off less gay if Simon fucked him on live television.
- Do you even know what a Nigerian name sounds like r12? I've got enough Nigerians friends to know their names don't sound anything like a character from Superman.
- R532 Are you talking about The New Normal episode? I haven't seen it yet. Was it really that bad? Not that I expected anything else from Ryan Murphy.
- It's on Hulu.
He (and the show) was very gay. This was the first episode of it that I watched.
Maybe this is how he wants to be seen. Who knows. It seems an oddly circuitous path, to have kept his private life so private only to end up parodying it on television.
- It's called acting. The role was an over the top stereotypical "super gay" and he played it perfectly. Just as he perfectly played a straight super spy in Chuck. He will do the same in 2 weeks when he plays the perfectly straight, suave Neal Caffrey in the new winter run.
- Bad numbers for last night's show.
- Both Go On and TNN suffered from not having The Voice as a lead-in. They still came in second in their timeslot, ahead of ABC and Fox, and the numbers will probably go back up when The Voice comes back.
What I find really bizarre is that the show did better in 25-54 (came in second) than in 18-49 (TNN barely lost out to Mindy Kalin). I would think that for a show like this the audience would skew younger.
- R508 In Matt Bomer's case such as role would be even more essential precisely because he is defining himself as a "gay actor" through his current choices.
I finally had a chance to go through Bret Easton Ellis's twitter feed. I don't agree with everything he says but some interesting stuff there.
He's right when he says that Universal would never cast Bomer (or any other openly gay actor) in the role of Christian Grey. There is potential to make huge amounts of money from 50 Shades to jeopardize it. BEE raised a good question about press tours to promote the movie. Hypothetically if Bomer was cast, he would have to endure the relentless questions about his sexuality and whether a gay man could convincingly play Christian Grey. Would Bomer want to face that?
And I can't disagree with BEE when he says this:
[quote] You're missing the point. I'm not a homophobe. I'm a misanthrope. I hate the way homosexuality is presented in our entertainment culture.
[quote] If you think Modern Family has a progressive attitude about gayness then you're a retrograde tool. The fact that it's being lauded: a joke.
[quote] You know what? I changed my mind: I now think a gay actor HAS GOT to play Christian Grey. It's IMPERATIVE that someone gay plays him...
[quote] Let's destroy the bullshit stereotypes of Hollywood studio moviemaking and cast a gay actor as Christian Grey in "50 Shades of Grey." A win.
[quote] But I still don't think Matt Bomer should play the role.
(For the record, Bomer wouldn't be my pick for Christian either.)
[quote] Again that's where the failure is, the idea that the out actor NEEDS to become the crowd symbol.
R519 You nailed it.
[quote] Maybe this is how he wants to be seen. Who knows. It seems an oddly circuitous path, to have kept his private life so private only to end up parodying it on television.
R535 You may have just summed up his career going forward.
Okay, seriously...I think Bomer could have a lengthy career in TV (we know Ryan Murphy at least will always hire him as long as he has a show), but a pretty limited one in movies.
- And this tweet from BEE:
[quote] The complicated problem with Matt Bomer has to do with male attractiveness in our society and how we embrace/denounce it. Paul Ryan anyone?
I think I know where he's coming from but it's hard to know for sure on the basis of a single tweet. I'd like to see Bret Easton Ellis elaborate further on this in an essay.
- BEE is a self-loathing, jealous queen who spews hate and nonsense.
- Matt has a lengthy career in TV.
- Why does anyone with a brain listen to BEE? He is a faded relic that apparently needs meds or periodically ignores his meds protocol never mind a self loathing homosexual.
And of course Matt will have a long term TV and movie film career. He will choose films he wants to do, will likely always be involved in TV, Both on and off screen. Lest we forget he had a hand in Nashville which is now a TV success.
- Aside from a couple of small recurring roles, Bomer had been mostly kicking around with a soap, some busted pilots and failed shows, but never anything that stuck until White Collar. At one point he had said something about going back to college to study something else. So if White Collar hadn't come along he'd probably be out of the biz by now. Now that he's Ryan Murphy's golden boy I think he can be assured of at least more work in the future in Murphy's TV shows and movies.
Anyone who thinks Bomer has a bright future ahead in movies though hasn't been paying any attention to what happened with Soderbergh's latest movie. Behind the Candelabra was a movie from a major director, starring two big names, and with a very modest $5 million budget and still no studio would green light it. They're not going to green light a gay actor as the lead in a movie.
- R544 Are you sure that Bomer had anything to do with Nashville? I know that a few years ago he sold a pilot titled Nashville to CW, but I don't think one has anything to do with another. Probably just the same title.
Why would show sold to CW be now on ABC? There is no info that it is produced by CW. Also if it was based on Bomer's pilot, I think it would be widely known. He would be at least credited as a co-writer of the first episode. Even if they have re-written it, they couldn't just remove the name of original writer.
- 545: you're sick.
Matt play for 20 years.
He was known on TV before White Collar
Matt does not seek fame. He just wants to play big or small stories.
In 2013, there are two movies with Matt (play stright guys) + animation Superman +White Collar.
It has a decent career. What he wanted
- R544, the pilot he wrote called "Nashville" was for CW and is not related to the ABC show from Callie Khouri.
People read Bret Easton Ellis because beneath the sturm und drang, he does appear to understand popular culture.
Bomer will always have some sort of career primarily because of Halls, but I would be surprised if it veers from the pattern he is setting for himself.
- homophoby idiots read BEE
- Bomer has a career before and after Halls because it is loved by a professional who works in entertainment.
Now he's loved by people. A difficult concept to understand
- Seriously, is Chaka from Land of the Lost posting here?
- R547 R550 There is no need to be so angry. Nobody is attacking Matt here (besides a few trolls). If you calmed down a little you would notice that most people in this thread wish him well, but we are concerned about his career and wonder if his choices will not make it even more difficult for him in the future.
I'm a huge fan of Matt. I believe that he deserves a success much more than most of actors we can see on big and small screen right now. But I'm not going to pretend that he is some huge star right now, or that it is going to be easy for him to find work in the future. It is difficult for all actors, gay or straight. Talent is not enough. You need a lot of luck and patience in that business, that's for sure.
You say, that he is loved by professionals. If that's true, I wish they would show that love more often, because right now I can't see that.
All the projects you mentioned? Let's see:
Glee, TNN and TNH are all from one person - Ryan Murphy
SS76 and YDLMY - both are coming from Matt's CMU connections. Nobody gave him that work, he found it himself through his drama school connections.
Winter's Tale - very small role. BTW did you know that WT's director is represented by Simon Halls? Could be a coincident of course.
Superman is a direct to DVD animation movie.
Don't get me wrong. He has a really good career. Majority of actors can only dream of career like his. But it doesn't mean that Matt is some huge star and that it is sure that he will be one in the future. So far I can't see that love from directors and producers. I bet they know that he is talented, but they are no brave enough to offer him roles. They prefer to choose the same people over and over again, because they fell those choices are more safe. Is it fair? No. Does it frustrate me as Matt's fan? Yes. But unfortunately that's reality.
- Matt will have a long career in both film and television with or without his husbands help. No actor gets a role without connections, no one! Will he make huge movies? Remains to be seen. No one knows for sure. It is frustrating to see flop after flop from mediocre talents like Efron and others, although the lead hopes are drying up there finally. We should all just enjoy the beauty, talent, and class that is Matt. If you don't like him, why waste time following him?
- The entire show is shit，and matty has been reduced to an embarrassing over-the-top queen.However，it occurred to me that maybe he just did it to creat buzz？I mean no work or news for weeks，and the episode airs，boom. Do you know how many threads are discussing just how bad the show was at the same time on this site along？Not to mention crazy tumblr，gif hit 1000 within hours. It's not so much a bad influence cause bomer didn't bet his career on it.His true intention was attention，and he got it.
BTW，wc airs in 2 weeks, remember the perfect timing of MM and glee？
- R: 552
"Does it frustrate me as Matt's fan? Yes"
Does it frustate me as you? Yes.
You're a crazy stalker.
OK. Matt has no career.
He'll be at home with her children.
- R554 - both Glee and TNN are for PR. Don't forget he is being guided by a PR genius. People are so impatient, Matt will have his day, no doubt whatsoever!
- And you must be Mrs. Rogers.
- Not much longer till this dumb thread reaches 600 posts and gets closed.
- R557 and you sound like a frustrated troll
- R545 is accurate about Matt. Others are so delusional, fans or not. Matt hasn't prove anything yet other than being a popular tv star from White Collar, a hit cable tv show so far. He was a hot topic because of Mike White's pictures and being a gay revealed by such photos, not by coming out by himself.
- and you are not an English professor
- His fangurrl thread title is "Matt Bomer lost the Superman role because he was gay"
Fucking hilarious :D :D
"Henry Cavil got the Superman role because he was closetted"
- Can't wait til he is busted out of closet. He had lots of fun the year he lived in LA
- R563 Henry Cavill? Details, please. :)
- R563 I'm sure it'll happen eventually. These closet cases deserve it. No sympathy for them whatsoever, especially when the resort to bearding.
- Saw Matt on the carpet. How can someone who is so hot in pictures be so much hotter in person? He is unreal. Taller than I thought too. Made my parts tingle.
- R566 What carpet? Golden Globes?
- Nice to see Matt talking about his kids and using "we" on Kelly & Michael yesterday.
Matt was on the red carpet for a GG party, and again last night for the opening of Streetcar.
- R568 Not Streetcar but Cat On A Hot Tin Roof.
- Very good White Collar ratings even with huge competition!
- YAY! thanks R570
- Matt and Simon in D.C.
- He accepted an award with his partner, commenting on their better halves. They are totally out of the closet now. His partner is such a downgrade.
- Does Matt top?
He's a great football player.
- They were out of the closet long time ago.
- R576 A few years ago someone here on DL said that he slept with Bomer and that he is versatile.
Then someone else claimed that they know Halls and that he is an exclusive top.
Of course there is no proof if they were telling truth or just trolling. Just a gossip like everything else here.
- I think the numbers for White Collar are lower in the winter, plus it's not usually on at 10.
- Cable and USA shows always lower in winter, more competition
- You losers speak for yourselves.
- Can't wait till this thread maxes out and we can start a new one without the words "Jackie Collins" in the title.
- WC has been pulling .9-1.0 for the last season including summer. The numbers aren't boffo but they're steady. It's retaining an audience.
- WC's becoming a bottom
- Matt and Simon leaving the SAG Awards Pre-Party last night:
- Glad Matt is migrating to film career where he belongs and will thrive! He's too good for cabe or TV in general.
- Was BEE always so determined to offend gays with his comments, etc. Or did all this strange apparent self-loathing begin when he joined Twitter?
Either way, I wonder why he's doing it: for attention, to purge his own insecurities about his sexuality or is he oblivious to how he's coming across and he's just misunderstood?
- R587 My guess is that both the first and the second options are correct. I doubt that he doesn't know how he's coming across.
- Matt looked gorgeous at SGA and PGA awards.
- He didn't attend SAG Awards. It was Pre-SAG Awards party.
- I'm I the only one who's starting to find Matt boring?
He's so beautiful and all that but outside his film/TV roles, he comes across as someone so boring and bland
For example, as Neil Caffrey he comes alive and is very interesting, but when you see him on the red carpet, he's just ...... dull!
Anyway, i'm still obsessed with him and wish him all the best in life - LOVE HIM
- When he got an interview, it's fun and interesting.
Red carpet with all the actors are boring
- The talented Matt Bomer portrays your son on
The talented Matt Bomer portrays your son on USA's White Collar. How has that experience been?
Easy. I mean, I adore him. He has - he's a lot of fun on set. He takes the work very seriously and himself not so seriously.
He is honorable and humble and funny and a lot of the attributes that my son has. And I would be proud if he were my son. It's just one of those things where it was very, very easy. You know, I just adore him. I can't speak enough about him.
- r591 - I find him a breath of fresh air. A hot, talented, inteligent actor who lives a role model life? Highly unusal and unique. Very few if any with all of those qualities.
- [quote]I'm I the only one who's starting to find Matt boring? He's so beautiful and all that but outside his film/TV roles, he comes across as someone so boring and bland.
A lot of times when people get married and/or have kids, they seem "boring" because their lives revolve around their family, which is understandable. Besides, his job is to entertain you in his roles, not in his interviews or personal life.
If you want a loud-mouth celeb who is constantly in the news for their drama-filled personal life, there's always plenty of other celebs you can look to for that.
- Sadly most actors are self absorbed obnoxious loud mouths. Just enjoy this man!
- Well interesting that both Routh and Cavill are just a gay as Bomer!
Maybe Bomer didn't put out because he's happily married?
- [R585] Seems like Matt wanted to continue signing, but Simon wanted to go home already.
- That was the night of the Producers Guild Awards, so maybe they had to be there, assuming the SAG party was before. Or maybe he was envisioning a bunch of "Matt Bomer blocks traffic!" reports.
- Someone should start a thread about Joan. She's so funny on "Happily Divorced" and was terrific on that "Pioneers of Television: Primetime Soaps" special. Looks just amazing.
hoping TNT will do a "Dynasty" reboot with her as the star.