Who knew? (Or maybe everybody but me already did...)
"After it was rejected by Esquire magazine in 1955, Hefner agreed to publish in Playboy the Charles Beaumont science fiction short story, "The Crooked Man", about straight men being persecuted in a world where homosexuality was the norm. After receiving angry letters to the magazine, Hefner wrote a response to criticism where he said, 'If it was wrong to persecute heterosexuals in a homosexual society then the reverse was wrong, too.'"
"Hefner supports legalizing same-sex marriage and he states that a fight for gay marriage is 'a fight for all our rights. Without it, we will turn back the sexual revolution and return to an earlier, puritanical time.'"
Gotta love the old guy! Took some fuckin' balls to have those opinions publically back in his day.
Hefner supported a lot of progressive causes before it was really fashionable to do so. The documentary made about him a few years ago was very interesting.
From someone with the concern or fear about his own sexuality.
[quote]From someone with the concern or fear about his own sexuality.
Not sure what that's supposed to mean. Hef has admitted to experimenting with homosexuality. He's pretty open.
He was actually quite hot as a young man, centuries ago.
A strong case could be made that both Hugh Hefner and Larry Flint were hugely important in the gay rights movement.
I learned how to accept being gay from reading "Playboy"- back when it was a real magazine. Hef was very pro gay at a time when no one else would say a positive thing.
Hefner is a total sleaze. He only supported gay rights to get people all flustered.
I remember that story -- I was a science fiction aficionado when I was a youth, and I'd read it then.
Here's a link if you'd like to read it online -- it's short, and it'll take perhaps five minutes to read -- but I'm warning you, it's not what you think.
He was also a vocal feminist back when no one would touch it.
He only gets off with his hos because he watches gay porn while they lick each other. According to the hos that is. He has to have gay porn on. What does that say? The man is more attracted to dick than vaj.
He was also a pioneer for civil rights and freedom of expression.
Playboy was always about sexual liberation -- not the assimilation so in vogue in the gay rights movement today.
Hef's eldest son, David is gay and his oldest son with Kimberly, Marston is also gay.
Marston also beats up women and will probably be head of PB one day. He's a violent sociopath.
Marston didn't beat up that stupid bitch but it sure threw people off the scent. Claire Sinclair got a nice payday for the little stunt.
Now Cooper Hefner. There's a sociopath.
Bump with Hefner love.
I think people have short memories. Playboy had an advice column for many years, and
I remember reading a letter from two male college students who fell in love with each other. Playboy, instead of encouraging them, urged them to "get psychiatric help" and that their liber views did NOT extend to homosexual perversion. This was in the 1970s.
He wants the peen
Hef spoke about having sex with a guy in the Experimental Seventies.
Said he didn't enjoy it.
More about Hef's sons, por favor.
Marston looks like the son from Breaking Bad.
Yep he wants the peen. Otherwise he wouldn't be watching gay porn & men fucking each other, and fantasizing about it. He has a woman there as a prop. He's kind of closeted.
R7 is the definition of stupid.
I am inclined to agree. If he watches gay porn while one of his nurse--my bad, girlfriends hump him, he is clearly more aroused by the peen than the vaj. Oh well, y'all can have his lecherous ass.
He's an ally. Can we just leave it at that please? Oh, right, on DL psychopaths ignore the positives and go back to singing that old song about is he/isn't he. Who gives a fuck? Are you really that pathetic?
Charles Beaumont and Hefner are both heroes for challenging homophobia in 19 freaking 55. 1955!
I made a book where murder was legal and actually culturally accepted, but people who saved others (like the Main character who is named Sam for a play on Samaritan) actually gets looked down on.
If murder is ok in that world it's ok in this world.
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with gay rights, I'm just saying his thought process is dumb.
I've read the short story, "The Crooked Man." Thank you, r8, for posting it. The story was chilling to say the least, and prescient, and adaptable to our struggles. Give the man his due, Hef's publishing this story, for whatever purpose he had in mind, was a positive thing. Too bad cooler, calmer heads never "got" it. It would've made things so much easier, and we wouldn't be quarreling about gay rights as we now do. "A voice, crying in the wilderness....."
r17, the American Psychiatric Association didn't remove homosexuality from its diagnostic manual of psychiatric disorders until 1973, and it took a while for the concept that gayness isn't something to be "cured" to filter into mainstream culture.
So Hugh Hefner is a positive? really? The only thing that is different between Hefner and a pimp on the street is wealth and fame. It is hypocritical for a street pimp to go to jail and be defined in society as a piece of shit, which I agree he is a piece of shit. In contrast,in our society in America this nation and the world as well, embraces this misogynist rich and famous pimp and think he is just a super part of American pop culture and he gets on a pat on the back. This is this is the same man who pimped out very young naive girls who had dreams of making it into Hollywood ,but instead they became prostitutes for his Hollywood buddies and they wound up in pathetic lives by being thrown out at a certain age or until the next fresh meat came along.As a result, their lives spiral downward into a dark place becoming a drug user, a prostitute, or porn star. Read "You'll Never Sleep In this Town Again." This man is a vicious rotten man who should be recognized for who he really is.
I'm not a woman. I just don't like to see anyone get used because I'm human and normal human beings usually get disturbed by such behavior. Also, everyone should be treated with respect and get a fair shake in life.
r30 I said, and I meant, that story he allowed to be published would've been a positive thing for gay people, if society had understood the meaning of that tale. Please don't go putting words in my mouth. Shake your fist at someone else.
Give me a break R30
If a young woman thinks that spreading her legs and putting her vagina on open display in a magazine is the road to becoming the next silver screen goddess, "naive" isn't the word.
Since when did Hefner force these women into the pages of Playboy?
Do you really believe that they become his sex slaves upon being published in Playboy? The majority of these women go back to their lives and do just fine without making the choice to whore themselves out in Hollywood.
Any truth to rumors that Hef is involved in a pedo ring?
R32, not all of the women in Hefner's mansion were in his magazine. Some are there to hang out thinking they might meet someone who will make their dream of becoming a celebrity come true. A lot of those girls are really young quit being so judgmental, k?
Awe R31, I'm very sorry if you took what I was saying that way ,but I wasn't trying to do that in the least and I wasn't trying to lambast you at all. I'm just saying Hugh Henfer is not a positive ,but a negative person to look to and just consider you this creep is.
[quote]not all of the women in Hefner's mansion were in his magazine.
True. Not all. Most have been or will be.
[quote]Some are there to hang out thinking they might meet someone who will make their dream of becoming a celebrity come true.
True. So? The same can be said of countless other places in L.A., and has been since the first talkies were produced.
[quote]A lot of those girls are really young
All are adults acting on their own free will. Whatever their motive, they are there because they want to be.
[quote]quit being so judgmental, k?
Pot, meet kettle.
You mean the rumor that you want to start R33?
As the snow flies, on a cold and grey Chicago morn another little Jenny McCarthy is born, in the grotto.
Hefner is both cool and creepy. If he only indulged in the dark side he would be dead long ago. I don't think of him much, or much of him.
I remember reading somewhere that Holly Madison got caught sneaking a child-girl into a nightclub for Hef's enjoyment. Found some short mentiones about it in the Las Vegas Sun and TMZ.
[quote] The man is more attracted to dick than vaj.
The man is even more attracted to having both a dick and vaj at the same time. I should know.
He's into everything...men, women, children, animals, appliances. An internet search is all you need.
actually r30, if you speak to anyone involved providing services and shelter to girls trying to leave a life of prostitution, they will tell you that Heff is a major donor.
He treats women like disposable commodities. He's a straight guy who pushes straight male privilege, yet somehow depicts himself as a feminist and gay rights champion. I call bullshit. He's a glorified pimp and nothing more.
No one should laud this pervert. No one. Yet the LGBTQ continue to give passes to Hefner, Ginsberg, Gore Vidal, the guy who started the Mattachine Society, Harvey Milk, et al.
R41 that's great but makes no sense when he prostitues women himself.
One of his ex-harem girlfriends wrote a book and revealed that while he was allowed multiple women (she was one of 6 girlfriends) the girlfriends were not allowed to associate or having any sexual contact with other men because Hef "didn't want to be made a fool of". So I guess it is okay for him to make a fool of these women but not vice versa. All about the ego. Hef also gave the women a curfew and had them watched by bodyguards to ensure they never associated with other men. they also were encouraged to get plastic surgery so they would look good. Out the door at 30 with no money from the man who makes a fortune off these women.
And yet he pretends he's all about liberating women to be sexual. What a joke when he's just another oppressor of women's sexuality.
[quote]He treats women like disposable commodities.
We ALL treat people (male or female) like disposable commodities when we view porn.
R45 Hefner has a lot more power over the portrayal of women and the lives of the women whom he uses than a passive viewer of pornography.
There may be something to some of what she wrote, R44, but she was there and took part if this because she wanted to. She was a willing participant.
Former "girlfriends" have documented in writing how he insists on their monogamous loyalty but does not reciprocate. In fact, they say he refuses to use protection or test for STDs. When the girls get their weekly payouts, he has them come to his bedroom/office where he first takes the opportunity to critique their performances and what they are not doing or doing enough of, sometimes withholding their "salaries." Many have said they feel more like inmates than playmates...with curfews, staffers monitoring their every move, and filthy beds/mattresses/sheets that should have been jettisoned long ago. The fact that Hef uses power, control and humiliation techniques with his "girls" should give insight into who he is. And the girls who see what's going on and put up with it anyway certainly have to accept their share of blame for staying.
Yes, R44, regarding your comment about "liberating women to be sexual," one of Hef's "girlfriends" said that when Hef takes his girls, via limo, out on the town to be seen in nightclubs, he carts out the champagne and gives each girl quaaludes because he feels "it puts them in the mood for sex." So much for liberating women. Sounds like he knows full well they otherwise wouldn't be interested!
I'm not aware that any of Hef's women are chained up in that mansion? They go there of their own accord, do they not? They are free to leave at any time, one assumes? The big question IS, what keeps them there? Money? Notoriety? Connections? Fun? They may be degrading themselves being there, but it is their decision. Wouldn't you say they are empowered? Isn't that what feminism is all about? Making your own decisions? Plotting your own course through life?
I was with you, R50, to a point. If Hef is defining the landscape, women who want to be "empowered" can only do so within the confines of what Hef's landscape allows.
r51 You are undoubtedly correct;however, those women have a decision to make. Stay, and put up with what Hef says, or, leave for what they may consider to be greener pastures. The guy who pays the bills gets to set the rules. That's the way it is in more "conventional" workplaces, is it not? Why should Hef be held to a different standard? It can't be put much simpler.
R51, you are right. But Hef should call his "relationships" with his "girlfriends" what they truly are: a pimp EMPLOYING his prostitutes. I'll stop short of saying "exploiting" since they are presumably free to leave.
I remember seeing Hefner on Phil Donahue in the 1970s and the topic of Playgirl magazine came up. Obviously it was somewhat a competitor to Playboy, but I found Hefner's response to the questions about it very opportunistic and disturbing.
He said more homosexuals read Playgirl than women. It was pejorative in the context of the mostly female Donahue audience -- like it's not for women, it's for homos, so beware.
r53 We're all employed one way or another, and we are free to work where we please, hopefully, we get more out of it than we put into it. Aren't all working people "pimped out", so to speak? Don't we have to do what the boss says? Sure, we can leave if we want, but, would we be better off elsewhere? I DO wonder though what the turnover rate is at the mansion?
r54 How was Playgirl magazine any sort of competition for Playboy? Peepees vs hoohoos. Back in the day of course, it was a no hoohoo zone. Hef was trying to maintain his position as king. I can't imagine why he made that statement, it made no sense, businesswise.
I know, R55. But Hefner had a need to put down the other nudie magazine as too homosexual.
You should know that Playboy was all about tits and ass, no vaginas. Vaginas were Bob Guccione's specialty. Crotches were air-brushed in Playboy, in the 1970s at least.
Plus, R55, I didn't "imagine" Hefner say this on Donahue, I saw and heard it.
[quote]Former "girlfriends" have documented in writing how he insists on their monogamous loyalty but does not reciprocate.
Tell the truth now, ONE girlfriend wrote a tell all book after she was kicked out of the mansion. This was during the period when Heff lived with 7 women. Most of what she said is either true (he didn't want them to fuck around and he limited himself to these seven) or false (he did not supply drugs as she claimed). The other 6 who have since gone their separate ways all say that it's bullshit... in fact the author is the only one of Heff's women to publicly complain.
In spite of the "no tell" contract his girls have to sign, it's available on the internet, R58. All you need to do is search.
Does anyone else think that the playmate that Hef's son Marston beat up looks like Barbi Benton, one of Hef's girlfriends of yore?
Poor Claire. She's now headling a show in Vegas.....at the Stratosphere.
r58 - no there's other women that have written books about it and complained.
Jill Ann: Upstairs
Izabella St. James
There's been other books out there. Basically, it's a squalid house of horrors and I know for a fact we talked about this here at Datalounge umpteen million times. It's a disgusting filthy place.
BTW R58, the other post said women "documented in writing." That does not limit it to a book.
Even Kendra Wilkenson has said not great things about him according to the DM.
[quote]In spite of the "no tell" contract his girls have to sign
and no one EVER breaks a 'no tell' contract!
bump (no pun intended)
Well from a visual point of view. Hugh was one hot guy when he was younger.
BTW I always have thought that PlayGirl was read more by gays than girls. I know several guys read it ....for the articles. Not many women.
What about "House Bunny"?
But did you know that Hefner BANNED GEORGE CARLIN from playing at the Playboy clubs in the 50s as soon as Carlin started ridiculing the Catholic Church?
I was shocked to learn that Hefner, of all people, was an enemy of free speech who joined the blacklist of Carlin and Lenny Bruce when those guys were getting arrested and establishing the rights that all comedians depend on today.
Your link does not backup your assertion, r69.
Hefner used to be a pervy young creep. Now he's a pervy old creep. He's a grotesque.
Playboy is hilariously archaic. It really ought to be put out of its misery.
I remember some article that was in Playboy during the eighties stating that if you aren't gay or a drug user then you shouldn't worry about getting AIDS. Total bullshit.