Bisexuality's Effect On Whether Homosexuality Is A Choice
I often wonder if bisexuality makes it harder to believe that homosexuality is not a choice. What say you?
Bisexuals are freaks of Natura
R1, I think you are terribly mistaken about female bisexuality.
Women are more open and versatile. No wonder more women than men are bisexual.
Eh, I would hesitate to say that women are more open and versatile.
In my opinion, bisexuality isn't a choice. But I know it's not the only thing out there. So no, I never thought its existence would have an effect on anything else with which people identify.
By that logic, OP, isn't the opposite also true? Wouldn't Bisexuality mean that heterosexuality is also "a choice"?
None of it is a choice except for our actions.
A lot of gay guys chose to SAY they are bisexual. So, in that sense it is a choice.
There's too much pinned on homosexuality NOT being a choice -- all those pathetic arguments to the effect of "why would anyone choose to suffer like the poor pitiable put-upon wretch that I am?"
Choice or not, that's not the important thing. The more important issue is that, nature or nurture, gays and lesbians --and even bisexuals-- are the equals to anyone else and that they needn't sketch out a double-helix to explain why they should be tolerated.
"A lot of gay guys chose to SAY they are bisexual."
Yea, like the porn stars taking dicks up their asses, on camera no less, for the princely sum of $200 and then proceed to tell everyone how much in love they are with their fictional girlfriends.
r5 makes a good point. I think people need to ask themselves why some of the population is homosexual. Nature knows what she's doing. So it is supposed to be. Nobody chooses to be straight or gay but I'm tired of explaining this to those who don't get it. No use for those people anyway.
r9 One of the things naysayers need to be reminded of is the fact that it's ALWAYS existed, even exists in the animal world and that 99% of the time IT'S HETEROSEXUALS THAT PRODUCE THEM!!! Which of course also means that they will continue to exist as long as humanity exists.
It's not a choice, any more than people choose to be gay or straight.
The way I see what I consider "true" bisexuals are people who can fall in love and have relationships with either gender--not just simply have sex. They're uncommon but not as rare as some DLers you have you believe.
But it's true that most lean one way or another. Think of it like people who are ambidextrous. They can write with either hand but usually tend to favor one or the other.
There is no such thing as free will.
And bisexuality is a sexual orientation just like any other.
"Oh for Pete's sake, pick one!"
Does it matter if homosexuality is a choice? It's certainly interesting, but I absolutely do not think it makes it any less valid.
Bigots who say that it is a choice need to ask themselves if they could have chosen to be gay. When I ask them that, they usually get angry but shut the fuck up.
Personally, I don't think sexuality is a choice- how you enact that sexuality is a different aspect. I don't think bisexuality is any more a choice that homosexuality or heterosexuality, although I do think sexuality is a spectrum and fluid over time, to varying degrees.
Bisexuality is not a choice either.
And even if homosexuality were a choice, why would it not be a legitimate one?
Because of some ancient herding tribe's book that no one follows except to oppress other people?
Bi in females is an emotional thing with sex very much on the sidelines.
Bi sexuality does not exist in males. Claiming so, is nothing more than an exposure of your internal struggle for self acceptance.
Straight guys letting gays get them off only, is not Bisexual. It is a straight guy using you as a masturbation machine, because you work better than any store bought machine.
BS r16. Following your logic, every time two gay guys hookup, it's because they are "emotionally" attracted to eachother and not because they "use eachother as a masturbation machine". Yeah, right.
[quote]Bi sexuality does not exist in males.
Arguably the most common misconception on DL, which is saying a lot.
Sexual attraction is an emotion.
When 2 guys hook up they are into each other, not closing their eyes and thinking about females while doing it.
Sexual attraction is not an emotion. Sexual attraction is hormones mostly and a drive.
You don't shut your eyes because you're aroused by a guy's body/form/looks/masculinity. That isn't an emotion in the usual sense.
r9, I agree. It is probably nature's way of making sure the population doesn't explode and that there is a better chance of not depleting our resources. It is probably a check that saves the population as a whole. Mother nature knows what she's doing. How dare some people question it. Dumb fucks.
I heard this years ago: When a woman says she is bi, she likes men. When a guy says he's bi, he likes men. Does this ring true?
It's in the genes to determine your sexual nature. If you're bisexual, you were born this way.
I think lots of guys mislabel themselves, both gay and straight.
[quote]Women are more open and versatile. No wonder more women than men are bisexual.
Are you a woman? I'll wait while you check.
R22, Not as an absolute rule. I know people who just crave sex with both...only one of them has been in a long-term relationship so far. Not like that's a bad thing, but it seems to maybe take longer for some bisexuals to meet someone with whom the commitment benefits outweigh the desire to have sex with both sexes. Or something.
OP, please think of it this way:
The capacity of enjoying sex with both sexes is not a choice. Therefore, the act of "choosing" to be with a man or a woman at any given time is, for a bisexual, no different than a gay man "choosing" to be with one man rather than another at any given time.
The fact that we are bisexual, completely homosexual or heterosexual is NOT a choice. But also recognize that a woman who is homosexual may, because of external circumstances, find herself in sexual situations with a man. Whatever our genetic or biological predispositions, we are still human, and therefore not quite programmed like bugs to behave blindly.
Our argument is that there is nothing wrong and plenty right about being gay (or bisexual, or straight).
In my experience, bisexual = bipolar 100% of the time, so no effect, OP.
Does it matter if it's a choice? The only reason the sexual orientation vs. preference argument exists is to say biology supercedes religion.
But, strip away the religion. It doesn't matter if a person is bi, gay or hetero - we should tolerate everyone. More important, I don't see how another person's sex life is my business.
As for bisexuality - never met one over the "long-run" - some people experimented and then stayed straight; others were bi on the road to gay. But a lifetime of steady bisexuality - only in closeted, married men.
"In my experience, bisexual = bipolar 100% of the time"
r29 There are plenty of reasons for that. Unless you're an "artist" or rich, you can't afford it.
I don't know why people here have such a hard time understanding it. Most people don't like to share a partner, be it with one of be same gender or the opposite gender. You can have fun while you're young and carefree but there comes a time where it becomes too complicated. People won't put up with the partner they have having a lover on the side.
Also, many people, including bisexuals want a family and/or kids at some stage so they have to make a choice.
Life is full of constraints and having to make choices. Why is it so difficult to understand?
for bisexuals it's a choice, and 99% choose pussy since its only thing that society accepts, but still they can't fight they inner desires. That's why there are so many "straight" married guys looking for the dick
Yeah R29 doesn't seem to understand that your orientation is not your sexual activity.
One thing the DL has taught me is gay people can be just as ignorant about what it means to be bisexual as straight people are about what it means to be gay.
I guess it is common for people not to understand things outside of their own life experience, which is fine, but quit acting you do. I identify as gay but I know two openly bisexual guys quite well. Stewing in your own ignorance is no substitute for learning.
"Oh my God. I'm back. I'm home. All the time, it was... We finally really did it ... You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!"
We are switching to the new platform for The DataLounge this weekend. All of our mobile users have been using it for over a week and all first time users have been using it for about a month - which adds up to well over one million users. So we're ready to end this phase of the testing and move everybody to the new site. (more)
And yes, we've changed the look and some of how it operates.
Yes, we know you just *hate* it in well in advance.
Yes, we know we suck.
Yes, we are the biggest suckers that ever sucked.
But it was time for a change and with the huge shift to mobile it was long overdue. We've taken this opportunity not only to update the look but also make major changes under the hood (or "bonnet" if you're either British or pretentious or both). And we have to prepare for 2016 - a presidential election year where we can normally expect to see a 60% jump in traffic (yes, we've seen 5 presidential elections so far…Christ we're old).
The site has a bunch - nay, plethora - of new features which will make the site more usable: better search, the ability to ignore posters and threads, see link previews, to pick up a thread where you left off, spam and malware filtering and more.
If you want you can go explore and see for yourself, Click here.
And while running the tests we've noticed two interesting reactions to the new system - people are spending more time on the site and more people that come stay around longer and look at more stuff. Both good things. Yay!
Possibly we've not slain all the dragons and there will be issues that come up during the switchover. There's a help button in the lower right hand corner of the page which you can use to send us bug reports.
Please include as much information about the hardware (PC, Mac, Tablet, Phone etc), operating system (Windows, Mac OS, Android, iOS etc) and browser (Chrome, Safari, Opera, Internet Explorer etc) that you are using as possible to help us replicate and fix the problem.
Please note that complaints about colors, fonts, icons and the like are not "bugs" - they are design choices that we've made and we expect one or two cases of world-class bitching. But they won't actually cause headaches, scurvy, heart attacks, Restless Leg Syndrome, Morgellon's Disease or the vapors (but have your smelling salts at hand just in case).
Talking to DataLounge servers. Please wait a moment...