'People in their twenties, are obsessed with the ’70s'
Is this true?
It would make sense that people who lived then might miss certain things, but people in their twenties?
This is the full quote:
[quote]The truth is that kids, by which I mean people in their twenties, are obsessed with the ’70s, much more than I am, let me assure you. And they keep saying, “It was better then, right?"
& yes, it's a Fran Lebowitz quote.
I am in my 30's and love the late 60's early 70's from the porn to the music.
I wouldn't be surprised if disco comes back into vogue again like it did in the early 90s. Kids weren't browbeaten into disliking it, so they hear it the way it really sounds and like it.
A lot of indie bands are kind of Disco infused
Nope. Not at all. Have lots of nieces and nephews and none of them talk about the 70s
People in their twenties who know what Fran wants to hear...
I still love Fran, after all these years.
I'm in my 20's, and I despise the '70's. It seems like such a profoundly stupid time - profligate drug use, the first real spread of AIDS (unknown at the time, but thanks to 'free love'), lots of dull brown clothes, et cetera.
My generation is more into the 80's. The 90's are also making a comeback.
Mistaking Urkel for Mork is an understandable mistake, Ms. Lebowitz and I applaud your color-blindness.
Stop squinting. Write more.
I'm with r7. In my 20's and I'm really into the 80s not 70s.
I'm more into the 1870s.
I'm 22 and I don't care about that era. I know things about it, but that was 40 years ago, and we're in the 21st century, more concerned about this decade.
I'm in my seventies. The realities are not as glamorous as those in their twenties imagine.
All the twentysomethings in my office are into the 1980s -- not the rise-of-irony stuff, but the purely fun things: Purple Rain, Michael Jackson's Thriller, etc.
Perhaps the 1970s burn brighter in the eyes of New York's modern baby dykes, or perhaps they're indulging Aunt Fran by playing "Grandma, Tell Me 'Bout the Good Old Days."
Fran Lebowitz is the only person I agree with 100% about everything.
I'm in my 20s, and I'm pretty into the 70's, but I think I'm more the exception than the rule. Also, I agree with the first poster that the porn is much hotter.
But, yeah, 80's theme parties are kind of epidemic.
I did the 70's and the 80's. The 70's were so much better. 80's tried too hard and accomplished nothing.
I don't care about the 70's.
It's people in their 30s who are obsessed with the 70s. People in their 20s are obsessed with the 80s.
I was a teen in the 70's and a young adult in the 80's. Each decade has its own merits. The 80's DID try too hard, though, as another poster stated. All those padded shoulders and that conspicuous consumption. The 70's were really sort a holder from the late 60's, with laid back hippies still around and some really good music. That is, until disco came around.
I will say this. My generation had better music and better icons. The youngsters today are lost.
The early 70s were very different from the late 70s.
There was plenty of time for great sex before AIDS was around. And indulging in some pot was not particularly stupid either. I knew vey few people into harder drugs if any.
And, yes, in many ways it was better. Maybe in the most important ways.
It's the young gay 20somethings who are obsessed with the '80s that I don't understand. Really? You want to relive the era of HIV and Reagan and homophobia?
The '60s, '70s and '90s all had their merits, but the '80s? They just sucked. But I do get young people's fascination with the '70s.
I agree with r18. I'm 33 and I would have loved to have been a young adult between '77-'81.
I'm in my mid-twenties, and my friends and I are pretty much obsessed with the 70s. The music, fashion, and film are all great. Go around Williamsburg and look at the clothes and facial hair. It's mostly inspired by a late-70s look.
For sure, the 80s are/were popular, and right now we're experiencing a 90s revival (fashion basically moves in a 20-year cycle), but the 70s are still extremely popular.
Is it really the gay 20somethings who are the obsessed with the '80s, [R21]? It's always seemed to me like the really generic straight kids who love pranks and How I Met Your Mother. Kind of a straight approximation of kitsch.
Early 70s through 77 or so, TV version: too much implied, alcoholic sleaziness from "old Hollywood" types in formal attire whose writers made them seem somewhat clever instead of the insipid cirrhotic assholes they actually were.
Late 70s: race to the bottom to see how much stupidity could be transmitted through vacuum tubes. Sort of like now, only with better production values.
70s childhood stuff: most pop culture references would go right over your head because it wasn't made for you. Teachers could literally kick you in the ass if they felt like it. School was still tedious, but not in the same way. We learned to spell. Lunchboxes still made from tin and everyone had at least one scar acquired from playground equipment.
70s music: dark and mysterious and made by people with unfathomable facial hair and permanently glazed eyes who made it look so weirdly glamorous. Cf. Fleetwood Mac, Rumours era. Even after living in L.A. and hating it, I still have a fondness for it that derives from this period.
My son is 17 and a musician. He's obsessed with
Tower of Power
Sly and the Family Stone
70s cinema (for example, The Conversation, Apocalypse Now, Don't Look Now, Midnight Cowboy)
He also enjoys writing from the 70s by authors like Kurt Vonnegut and Phillip K. Dick.
I don't think he's the only one in his groups who likes this stuff.
Maybe it's the people in their 20s who are obsessed with the 80s, and younger people are obsessed with the 70s.
I work at a gym and a 12 yr-old asked us to put his music on Monday.
He had Carly Simon's "Nobody Does it Better" James Bond theme on it.
I think some kids today like their parents music.
I'm 27 and I'm pretty obsessed with the 80s from movies like Desperately Seeking Susan to Wall Street. I also love 80s new wave, freestyle and disco/house music.
As bad as the culture could be after the country club was abandoned to the aspirants (see r28) -- very coarse and dirty people with little more than sedition on their minds -- they still hadn't totally overrun the situation with their paranoia and their penchant for universal surveillance, although we'd already gotten a taste of that from Aspirant Number One, J. Edgar Hoover.
I'm 28 and if I could live anywhere it would be 1975 LA. It just seemed so uber uber cool, especially the airports.
I love american cars from the early seventies, specially the giant Ford LTD's and Thunderbirds
People in their thirties, on the other hand, would settle for the proper use of commas.
The people in their twenties seem to be obsessed with the 80s.
It's not so crazy in terms of the music (a big part of the 80s obsession). And a lot of the music was alternative, original, gay, and sounded great (not talking about the Top 40 garbage).
90s are in vogue now. There's ten billion articles on the subject. The experts point out that revivals happen in twenty year cycles. The 70s were big in the 90s, again, twenty years. The 80s were 'it' in the 00s. They milked that shit to death. Our current election cycle is in exact alignment as the 90s, just as the 00s were aligned with the 80s...
US presidential elections:
1980 election - 2000 election
1984 election - 2004 election
1988 election - 2008 election
1992 election - 2012 election
1996 election - 2016 election
All 20 years.
Every decade takes inspirations from a variety of eras, but one dominates, and now it's the 90s. BTW, this doesn't just apply to a medium like fashion. It's everything.
I'm amazed at how some of the TV shows, e.g. MTM and Rhoda and All in the Family, were much braver/edgier than shows we have now (like Modern Family) that have 'progressive' pretenses but are really kind of predictable and stupid.
The kids shows from that era are pretty trippy. Lancelot Link was borscht-belt humor done with chimps (and Lance still lives, at a preserve near LA somewhere). All the Sid and Marty Krofft shows were like junior LSD trips.
Does anyone remember the show with Jim Nabors and Ruth Buzzi in space?
Lost Saucer? Had not thought of that show in ages..
The early 70s were drenched in the aromas of patchouli and blonde hash. Gay men finessed the era, dressing like romantic hippies before the clone look came in. I don't think I've ever met so many fascinating people. Tribeca was not fashionable. I remember meeting a guy who fixed expensive Italian sports cars in his SoHo loft. They'd just roll them in. Speaking of rolling in, Rollerina (Ken) was around, leading off all the big parades. Potassa, Dali's muse, was a pretty Filipino drag queen who modeled for Giorgio Saint Angelo. He'd come into the old Sheridan Square Limelight on the shoulders of his gorgeous boyfriend and the evening would begin. Le Jardin, David's Loft, the Tenth Floor, all those wonderful underground, after hours places. It's a nice memory, but everyone finds something exciting and fun to do in NYC when they're in the teens and 20s.
[quote]It's the young gay 20somethings who are obsessed with the '80s that I don't understand. Really? You want to relive the era of HIV and Reagan and homophobia?
Those are your associations, but they are not universal. Most nostalgia for the 80s (or any other decade) revolves around music, fashion and pop culture, not historical events, politics or tragedies. Just as 50s nostalgia was not about Jim Crow and civil rights, 60s nostalgia was only tangentally about Vietnam (only as connected to hippies, the counter culture and protest songs), and 70s nostalgia is not about Watergate, the gas crisis or the women's movement.
Also, homophobia existed before the 80s and still exists today. Although I understand that you probably came of age then and associate personal experiences with homophobia at that time, there was plenty of it both before and since.
Most of the fun culture was hidden from the TV guys, still shoveling swill a la Catskills
It's the rebelliousness of the early 70s and the music that reflects it that appeals to the teens and 20 somethings.
[quote] Although I understand that you probably came of age then and associate personal experiences with homophobia at that time, there was plenty of it both before and since.
That's a very gentle word for what life was like for a gay man in America in the 1980s.
Do you have ANY idea of what it was like for us?
Maybe Fran's been hanging out in the UK where Early David Bowie is an obsession.
I was born in 1964 and remember the 70s as being pretty good for gay people, ie the closet door was just opening up. I remember a Tom Snyder show (came on after SNL) about gays that was pretty even handed. I had a teacher who was an out lesbian, and i don't think people really cared. There were no 'protect the children!' kind of protests.
It all changed with Reagan. Seemed like quite suddenly the Anita Bryants and Jerry Falwells became influential and that closet door slammed shut again. Right around the same time when AIDS hit.
young people who are into the 70's music are normally hard core rockers who see 80's as being too pop and definitely don't like pop.They're generally into(only) metal of some kind in fact..The older people who are into the 70's and don't like the 80's are ex hippies who are just plain old fashioned and didn't like the change when the 80's came about.Trust me..I was in my 30's during the 80's decade and I gave up 70's music as my preference when MTV came about and I got into music videos.I became a collector and now own over a thousand music videos,mostly 80's but but ranging from 50's to mid 2000's.The 80'S were the best..of everything.verstility was cool.These days all the stations only play one format..In the 80's you could hear everybody on one station.Frome Debbie Gibson to Whitesnake and everybody inbetween that you were watching on MTV- today there is no such diversity in the music field at all regarding artistry, and much less on a radio station's playlist.Personally I miss the 80's terribally as society was so different.As a whole,people were much friendlier in public and people weren't as into themselves and dissing gossiping about everyone else all the time.I've found that most people who claim they hated the 80's or that they sucked are too young to really remember them cause they were so young they were watching cartoons but not doing much else. Or they're older people who would be considered 60's or 70's baby boomers who are bias and worship their own particular high school days era.I was in my 30's in the 80's decade and remember them well and was young enough to hang out and get involved.I hung out mostly with 20 somethings and some that were just out of high school..That's another thing..Young people weren't ageist then.I was in my mid 30's but the 20 somethings didn't care and we hung out all the time..Today a person in their early 20's won't even consider hanging with a person 10 or 12 years older.People aren't friendly today and certainly don't smile at you as they pass you in the store whereas in the 80's it was common.I miss video arcades..Those were so cool and they were all over the place back then.The 80's were fun!! It was fun to get out and do stuff cause there was more to do..How long has it been since you saw a miniature golf range? They were all over town in the 80's..water parks..not now days.I have no idea why anyone would be obsessed with the 70's,except out of just being 'old fashioned'..everything was brown and other earth colors and the focus then was only two things..pot..and bad jam music.music that sounded like one was making it up as they played.hence,crosby stills nash and young and other folky artists..that's it..folky..sure Hendrix was around but actually he was a latter 60's product(1967 in particular) and his music was practically all feedback and noise and again had that 'made up as you play it' style of playing his guitar..70's hippies like to call it jamming..the 80's had tighter more rehearsed sounding bands which mixed rock and pop with synthesizers ,which devoted hard core rockers don't care for.
It seems a lot of young people are into the 90s
I am obsessed with the 1840s.
R30: Gore, is that you?
The 1970s produced a lot of great things. The gay rights movement made some of its biggest advances, as did feminism, which has been very good for gays.
The music, movies and TV shows gave the impression that adults were still in charge of the culture, but despite the growing push toward realism, cheap cynicism started to supplant it. Even the lowest common denominator was a bit higher than it is now. Broadway still had more influence over the general public than it does today, but it was starting to lose its hold over popular music.
Not everything was good, though. Watergate, the Iran Hostage Crisis, the US defeat in Vietnam, the energy crisis, double-digit inflation, and the rise of the Religious Right all happened during the 1970s.
I was obsessed with the 60s and 70s in the early 90s as a teen as well, the 80s and early 90s were so drab and ugly that the 60s/70s seemed like a mystical, technicolor wonderland in comparison.
Our local library had a copy of a 3-CD compilation of 60s psychedelic music called "The Psychedelic Years" through which I discovered bands such as Love, Jefferson Airplane, The Association, Moby Grape, Nico etc. Then there's the motown soul, the Burt Bacherach stuff, Neil Young, Nick Drake, progressive rock, bossanova, the glamrock of the early 70s, the Jazz stuff by Hancock, Brubeck and Davis, too much to mention ... never cared much for the late 70s ( apart from the ska stuff).