Is this the beginning of the end or a temporary bump in the road?
“What a crowd! Man! Yeah! You sound like Republicans watching last night's debate. Oh, my gosh. Well, the consensus is Mitt Romney won the presidential debate last night. The only people that thought Obama won - the replacement refs. Those are the only ones”
They're saying close to 60 million people may have watched the debate. In fact, the only person who didn't tune in, I think, was President Obama. What happened? Even Tony Romo was going, “What happened?”
"There is no red America! There is no blue America! There is only the America that can't believe how bad this guy did in the debate." –Jon Stewart
You could tell what was going through Obama’s mind the whole time – “Should I use a six iron or a seven iron”?
"After months of buildup, last night was the first presidential debate at the University of Denver. Of course, a lot of big names didn't show up to the event -- Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, President Obama." -Jimmy Fallon
“Clint Eastwood debated a chair. Romney debated a suit”
"A lot of people disappointed in President Obama's performance last night. Last night, critics say President Obama spent too much time looking down at something on the podium. And today the president apologized and said, 'At the next debate, no more angry birds.'" –Conan O'Brien
"President Obama talked last night about finding new sources of energy. He couldn't muster enough energy for the 90-minute debate. And to make matters worse, last night was his anniversary. The only way his wedding anniversary could have been worse was if he had forgotten it." –Jay Leno
"At one point last night President said the one thing about being president is learning to say no -- especially when someone asks, 'Do you feel ready for this debate?'" –Conan O'Brien
"It's like Obama wasn't even there. He hasn't done this poorly since he debated Clint Eastwood." –Stephen Colbert
“You could tell Obama was confused. He was thinking “What the hell, I thought I was debating Kerry””
“It’s hard to believe that all of those appearances on “The View” didn’t prepare him better”
Every the cover of The New Yorker is a drawing of Romney debating an empty chair.
Jobs report. End of story, freeper.
In 2004 Bush had a similar and disastrous first debate. Unfortunately that didn't change the election results.
This one won't either. In this case, fortunately.
It was a missed golden opportunity for Obama to keep the pressure on that Romney is an out-of-touch plutocrat. If it weren't for the jobs report changing the news cycle, it might very well have cost Obama the election. It was that bad.
Obama was exposed for what he really is. An empty suit.
No teleprompter, no president.
Worst president since Carter.
With announcement of unemployment numbers this has been universally nullified.
Nice try though.
I've seen Americans vote for idiots in the past and they may do it again. What matters is, who will they put on the Supreme Court? Except that might be fixed also? I really don't think the voting public has much to do with our national government...it's pretty much a show, smoke and mirrors. This is a corpocracy, not a democracy. Many of us our not much better than corporate slaves, pretty much like every other third world country.
The problem: 60 million viewers saw the first debate.
How many people will see or understand the significance of the 7.8% unemployment number?
The MSNBC commentators hurt Obama significantly with their over-the-top negativity after the debate. I thought it was a draw until I watched Chris Matthews and Ed Shultz. Al Sharpton was the only one defending Obama.
Freepers will be talking about the debate until things change in the next one. That's all they have. Let them have their fun.
It was the contrast between Mittens and Obama that highlighted O's low energy. Mittens really brought his "A" game, but then again, it was do-or-die time. I thought he came off as a used car salesman.
The question is whether the debate will move the polls, and so far, it isn't looking like it will. The online odds-making sites immediately reduced Obama and increased Mittens, but that was short-lived, being reversed 36 hours later when the new jobs numbers were released. And, like every event in this campaign, Mitten's gains were erased. At least this time it was due to external events and not something he said.
The one thing that the late-night hosts went on to say, particularly Jon Stewart, was that Mittens was lying his ass off. Now, for those who know Mormons, this is no surprise; Mormons will say anything to get their way, and in their ends-justify-the-means philosophy, Mittens reversing on tax increases, healthcare, Medicare, and pretty much everything else he said was no different. If you believe Mitt the debater instead of everything he's said for the last 6 years, you're a fool. Even his campaign said he "misspoke" on several of the relevant issues, from the "no pre-existing conditions" claim, to the "no tax cut for high income earners" statement.
Hopefully, Obama getting panned will, as Samuel Jackson said, wake him the fuck up.
The positive effect of the unemployment numbers has been moderated by the conspiracy theories. Out of the headlines about the numbers, there were at least one other headline about the theory the numbers were manipulated. Unfortunately, a lot of people, particularly white males and Independents, are prone to believe these rightwing conspiracy theories. I don't think we are gonna see a major poll bump because of the job numbers because the rightwing successfully responded with its own counternarrative.
How foolish must the Obama campaign have been not to have noticed that Obama's debating skills were rusty months ago, and try to evade the type of disaster we have after Wednesday night? Why didn't they bring in Bill CLinton to help him? Why didn't they get serious when they saw that Romney was practicing for the debates way back in August with Republican heavy-hitters? I blame Obama, but I think his campaign managers were even worse.
I'm voting for Obama with my nose plugged. But just because he was the only one who included gays in his speeches, and has done a couple things or us.
Seeing what the Mormons did in California makes me a lifelong enemy of them.
Obama doesn't seem to know what he's doing- and nobody is helping him.
But I hope he wins and, not worrying about re-election this time- his or Biden's (who probably is uninterested in the Presidency)- I think O should make his 2nd term a massive 4u to all the haters, phobes, Xtians- and push through a bunch of shit that will make their heads spin.
The jobs report hasn't influenced the poll numbers for months now, and it probably won't now. Don't count on them to stop the damage.
[quote]The question is whether the debate will move the polls, and so far, it isn't looking like it will
The Gallup poll is a three day average. Today's results represent yesterday's polling so there is one day of post-debate numbers in there and two days of of pre-debate numbers in there
The average moved two points towards Romney. Run that out over three days and Romney would gain 6 points and be in the lead
So, yes, it is turning up in the poll numbers
Of course, it isn't surprising that you are unable to understand that given the obvious bias in your post
There is the offset of the better unemployment numbers and also the impact of the play-up in the press and on late night tv of the poor Obama performance. Neither of these have been captured in any polling data yet.
BTW, anyone using the term Mittens is of the same intellectual caliber as those on the right who use Nobama, OneBigAssMistakeAmerica, etc
And, to be clear, that is not a compliment
You keep fucking yourself with a dildo while you tell yourself that, r14
Frankly, he deserved it - He has seemed too smug to me and the worse thing he can do is get too confident; he needs to wake the hell up and start coming out swinging.
R15 who are you voting for?
The Gallup poll is a 7-day average. Rasmussen is a 3-day average.
They're making jokes about him. It's their job.
I see that R15 is also the OP.
So it's kinda funny that you accuse another poster of being "biased."
[quote]BTW, anyone using the term Mittens is of the same intellectual caliber as those on the right who use Nobama, OneBigAssMistakeAmerica, etc. And, to be clear, that is not a compliment.
Nice try, OP/Little Miss Bossy Pants, but you are probably not keeping anyone from referring to him as Mittens, Shitt, or Rmoney.
And I thought I'd hidden my pro-Obama bias so well!
Obviously, you R15 / OP, don't have a bias, either. Whatever.
But as to your point regarding the polls, let's examine the facts. First, the debate was Wednesday night, and there was polling on Thursday and Friday. As of today, Saturday, the polls have moved 2 points toward Mittens, which if we use your ideation, means that Mittens gained one point per day over two days, so if you play it out over three days, he'll gain 3 points, making it once again a dead heat. However, that isn't what's happening. Obama is still up 1.5 in the RCP average, and since the jobs numbers were only released yesterday, they aren't reflected in the polls yet. And let's not forget that mittens and surrogates have spent 18 months exclaiming the jobless rate over 8 percent for months, and that meme is now shot to hell. After staking his campaign on Obama's perceived failure at managing the economy, do you seriously think no one will notice that the numbers are, in fact, getting better?
Meanwhile, Mittens is still under water when it comes to personal favorability, whereas Obama is still +9 or thereabouts.
My concern offer Obama's performance was that the first debate is usually when the vaunted undecideds start paying attention, and he let the liar get away with spinning a tissue of fabricatn contrary to everything he's said and done for at least 6 years, if not his whole life. How about turning to Mittens and saying, "Who is this on the stage... Because everything you're saying is the opposite of Governor Romney's positions!". Fortunately, the media has picked up that mantle. Well, at least those who aren't busy trying to convince the uneducated that the Bureau of Labor Statistics rigged the numbers.
It's late in the game, but it's not a stretch to say that Obama needs to further the meme that Mittens will lie his way into the White House. But to do that, Obama needs to be sharper and on message for the remainder of the cycle. One debate loss isn't going to do that much damage, but the worry is that Obama will cede the point (as he appeared wont to do) in his great overestimation of the American people's intelligence.
It will be interesting to hear what Monday night brings sounds like on late night TV
Mitt's performance, though total BS, was masterfully persuasive.
I can see how he successfully convinced his family that driving cross country with the dog tied to the car roof was wise.
The late night hosts are doing their job.
Obama's job is to keep them focused on Romney.
Multiple choice Romney is the focus.
Romney, he'll say anything.