Revenge - Season Two

So, is Victoria really dead? The Australian guy is hot.

Gabriel Mann must be the youngest-looking 40-year-old ever. And he's fucking hot!
I agree, R1. I'm crushing hard on him.
Is Declan taller, or did they just fluff up his hair more?
Is Gabriel Mann gay?
Maybe I missed it... what happened to Amber Valletta's character? Wasn't she on the same plane as.Victoria?
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Declan the Pixie's brother is a dwarf.
I did think it was funny when Nolan went in for a snuggle with Jack.
[quote]So, is Victoria really dead? Yes, shows traditionally kill of the star at the end of the first season. Use your fucking head.
Loved it R8
Ashley is now Queen of the Manor!!
Can we talk about Gabriel Mann for a second? He was shirtless tonight!
Nolan also gave Daniel a look from head to toe like he wanted to lick him down. Loved it. Jack looks a lot sexier this season, too.
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I don't understand Ashley's purpose. Why is she around?
What was that beautiful song they played at the end of the episode? I'd love to buy it on iTunes.
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Good episode, though it got out of hand toward the end. Nolan had built some muscle...and you got to see Jack shirtless. Emily is looking pretty good this season.
Emily looks as if she is wearing $18 Paris Hilton hair extensions.
[quote]So, is Victoria really dead? Yes, shows traditionally kill of the star at the end of the first season. Use your fucking head. Worked for us.
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Please let the body they found in the boat at the top of the episode be Ashley (I know, it was a man's arm). They just need to get rid of that annoying, untalented actress.
[quote]Is Gabriel Mann gayy? I've always wondered this too. He is 40 an has never been married and doesn't seem have a real history of serious relationships with girls. Doesn't prove anything of course but it seems definitely possible. Good season premier, so happy to have the show back. And I completely agree, I loved that moment R8, I really love the job Gabriel Mann does with the character.
yum yum Jack's hairy hole
Dammit I missed it... is Jennifer Jason Leigh in it yet as Emily's mother? Can't wait to see her onscreen again.
Who knew Nolan was hiding a hottie under those 20 polo shirts?
God, I really hate Declan, Jack, and Ashley. I hope Emily winds up with Daniel.
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Last night's ep is up on ABC.com
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Jack is so dreamy. Another four inches taller and I'd be in love. I think the only reason Connor was cast as Declan is because he's a smidge shorter than Jack and on TV all younger brothers have to be shorter than older ones. Why did Jack fall out of love with Fauxmanda over the summer? Is Daniel so dim he didn't understand that his father was pretty much saying he's also screwing Ashley? I loved the episode, I love the series, but it is getting a little confusing. I loved Nolan going in for that extra affection with Jack. My take is that it wasn't a sexual thing, he just wanted the affection.
Saw the premiere on Hulu - I was worried about the tone changing to more of an Alias-type show with all the talk about the conspiracy / syndicate, and it might still go there later this season, but at least they kept some of the good ol' "exchanging passive-aggressive bitchfaces in too tight dresses on a boat" concept. But I hope they return Victoria to her proper place, because there's not much she can do holed up in a house by herself. I loved Nolan's hug of Jack. Thought the English disciple of the Japanese guy was hot (even if those training sequences are the most ridiculous part of the show) - I don't know, it seems like both Jack and Daniel are lost little boys, so I wouldn't mind another romantic interest who was a bit more mature and on Emily's level - because let's face it, she could eat both Jack and Daniel for breakfast. At least with Conrad and Victoria's relationship, you can see them being (dysfunctional) equals.
yes r22. They show Jennifer Jason Leigh as the mother in some flashbacks to where the mom is in an insane asylum.
R27, you made me laugh (and you NAILED it) with: "but at least they kept some of the good ol' "exchanging passive-aggressive bitchfaces in too tight dresses on a boat" concept. But I hope they return Victoria to her proper place, because there's not much she can do holed up in a house by herself. "
[quote]I think the only reason Connor was cast as Declan is because he's a smidge shorter than Jack and on TV all younger brothers have to be shorter than older ones. With the exception of [italic]Supernatural[/italic]. And I was so accustomed to the TV tradition of shorter younger brothers, that when I first started watching around season 4, I kept getting confused about who was the younger brother.
[quote]wouldn't mind another romantic interest who was a bit more mature and on Emily's level - because let's face it, she could eat both Jack and Daniel for breakfast I agree. I thought the "English Disciple" (to borrow your phrase) was really interested/attracted to Emily and that's why he volunteered to keep tabs on her. Maybe he has the potential to be a character of some gravitas. I'm surprised I was looking forward to watching it and got right back into it. A lot of times if a show is off for awhile I lose interest in it and stop watching - not the case here.
Fuck Jack. I'm all about the Australian guy who rescued Emily in tonight's ep.
Jack's too short to be perfect. Daniel's hotter just because he's full man-sized.
I have to agree with R33. The guy who plays Jack is BEAUTIFUL, but he's too short. The only one he towers over is Declan. Which I think is why that actor was cast.
This season is too much talk and not enough Revenge-season 1 stuff. :(
Aack, I loved the episode - R35, I think now that Victoria is back in the limelight she'll be back in her proper place at the head of the Hamptoms, pissing Emily off, and the show can go back to being more "Revenge"-y. I couldn't stop looking at Madeleine Stowe's wrinkled hands contrasted with her rubbery-smooth face. I wasn't a fan of the ditzy-acting accountant (who's supposed to be a love interest for Nolan? Say it ain't so) - the show being what it is, though, she'll probably turn out to have a secret agenda and be a bitch in disguise. Still a fan of the hottie English guy - he's like a taller, bulkier Daniel. And I'm hoping the white-haired man is well and truly dead - he's been sticking around too long, and I couldn't believe Emily was willing to deal with her father's killer.
Oh, and why is Declan SOOOO stupid? "Wow, there's nothing suspicious about a rich preppie kid giving me stolen jewelry and cash to 'hold on to it' for him. What could possibly go wrong?" Though Emily seems to have left her brains at the door tonight too - "my father's killer has already tried to kill me once, but I'm going to let him in and not have anything on me to defend myself."
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[quote] I couldn't believe Emily was willing to deal with her father's killer. When you are on a path of revenge you get into bed with the most strangest fellows ('the enemy of your enemy is your friend' type of thing). Emily clearly wanted to have some info about her mother and her whereabouts. [quote]Oh, and why is Declan SOOOO stupid? Greed and desperation makes you do stupid things, like responding to a total stranger who introduces himself to you via email as Nigerian royal who needs your help. Declan needs money for his school and find his own place now that faux Emily is pregnant with his big brother's seed. At this point he must think 'well, I have come across pretty much every jerk there is at the Hamptons so this one may be finally legit!'.
R38, perhaps, but perhaps not. The last time Ems and the WHM interacted they'd had a knockdown drag out fight in which she almost killed him. Did she really think that they'd just chat over Em's mom? No. And Declan IS a moron. He has no use for any rich people; he's been burned by the Graysons, Charlotte and Adam and his bully pals. He should instinctively reject this guy asking him to hold jewelry. I'm disappointed in this season. I know they have to set things up, but watching Emily drive around, back and forth to the cabin and going to see Charlotte...WHO CARES? She has the info from Nolan to expose the Graysons. What is she waiting for?
I hate the pretense that keeps Emily from killing people "Your father wouldn't approve!" It keeps the story from progressing and it doesn't allow the viewer to get some much deserved payoff. I really would have preferred for Emily to be the one who killed the White-Haired Man, not the British assassin. He was hers to kill. I love this show, but if Emily doesn't rack up at least one kill this season then it's going to be a little implausible. She came here for REVENGE. They MURDERED her father....an EYE for an EYE. More "Kill Bill", less "Terms of Endearment".
I couldn't care less about the Porter brothers, Ashley and Fauxmanda. One or more of these characters needs to die. Preferably in a gruesome manner. I have a feeling Victoria is not going to approve of Ashley dating her beloved son and heir. If she looked down on millionaire Emily then pauper Ashley is really not up to snuff. Hopefully Victoria will eliminate Ashley or at least banish her from the Hamptons for good.
R41, it's not like either Conrad or Victoria really approve of Ashley - Conrad just keeps her around to spy on his son (and it's hinted he's sleeping with her at the same time) - he obviously doesn't thinks he's "worthy" of his son, but that she's useful for the time being. And Ashley obviously has no loyalty to Daniel. I agree that they need to cut out a subplot or two, especially regarding the brothers - yes, your bar is in trouble just like last season, we get it. Now that they don't have much interaction with the "main" family (Declan isn't dating Charlotte, Emily isn't really focused on either Jack or Daniel at the moment), it's harder to justify spending time on their plots independently.
r42, different strings and characters for different viewer groups.
I think the main reason for having the brothers on the show is to have a "working class" family to contrast the extravagance of characters like the Graysons. I don't mind that, but I just wish they'd give them something more interesting than what they did. Fauxmanda is annoying and ruins Jack's storyline also.
R43, yeah, I get that... it's just that Declan's and Jack's string isn't particularly compelling on its own. It's the same situation they were in last year, and the characters themselves are nice but incredibly dim. They don't hold a candle to the machinations and plotting of the Graysons (even a "dim" character like Daniel can be sharp and surprising at times). Maybe it's a slow build to the mid-season "cliffhanger" (the sunken boat), but that plotline needs a bit more interest than random preppie number 24 coming in to ruin their lives, or Jack worrying about paying the bills for the baby.
Fauxamanda was more interesting unpregant.She used to be more sexy than Real Amanda until they gave her a makeover (she still is dire need of a nose job)... A even younger Amanda is playing scenes JJL (they made no attempt to make her look younger)which leads me to believe she will be found dead... I'm not liking this season at all...
ITA, r45. I think the problem is that the writers use them as side characters and don't put much thought into their story. Understandably the bulk of their creative efforts goes into Emily and the Graysons who are incredibly intricate and dynamic, especially for a major network. Seeing how well written the Graysons are only makes the low quality of the Porter brothers storyline even more stark in contrast. It would have been much more interesting if they made Declan, for example, a more devious character. They should have taken the Tyler and Declan characters and blended them into one, making Declan a grifter who's on the make. He should have been going after Charlotte for her $600 Million trust fund, not because of puppy love. One is storyline is compelling, the other trite and boring.
I like Declan the grifter going after Charolotte for her money while in reality being more obsessed with Daniel...(seducing her while imagining her brother Daniel chained to his bed...) Seriously though, like the show, and am not anti-soap, but I have always hated the pregnancy of someone else getting in the way of true love. Also, just don't see any big connection between Amanda and Jack. I actually think it worked better when she was conflicted by a real attraction to Daniel. I thought they had better chemistry, and while Daniel can be a boring character, I think the actor has more charisma.
Why is Emily VC's face so bloated? Is that a bulimia thing?
r49, some people just have rounded 'babyfaces'. It's a pretty standard face type.
The Grayson children were boring for the first 2/3rds of the first season. They were written as saccharine sweet and made people wonder how such perfect children could have been raised by such monsters. But then the writers smartened up and started adding dark layers to both Daniel and Charlotte. Daniel's drive to live up to the Grayson legacy through deception and ruthlessness and Charlotte's descent into drug abuse and self hatred added so much to the characters. There was no way that Conrad and Victoria's wickedness couldn't fuck up their children. I like the fucked up Daniel and Charlotte much better.
R50, thankth.
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r50 - That's not a normal "baby face." It's puffed up noticeably since last season to the point of distraction. She's like Jack Skellington.
[quote]Why did Jack fall out of love with Fauxmanda over the summer? When the dog died, Jack realized he had a stronger connection to "Emily".
A Teen Wolf Dad shows up on Revenge? A dream come true.
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Declan is a little cutie. I bet he's one of those little twinks with the huge cocks.
They really aren't holding back, these plotlines are moving fast. I actually feel bad for "Amanda" watching "Emily" emotionally manipulate her so unfairly. But I am okay with that, I always liked this show because the protagonist was unabashedly dark. Not sure how I feel about Aussie guy. So Japanese sensei runs a revenge school for rich kids who have been fucked over by the Initiative? Alright I guess.
And Nolan has been de-gayed??? If they are going there with the romance with the boring CFO I cry foul. She's obviously a set up for the Initative.
Nolan has never been gay R59, they made the fact that he was bisexual painstakingly clear, even clarified it on the Kinsey scale.
I'm fairly new to the show and I have a few questions I hope one of you will be kind enough to answer. Thanks in advance. - So Charlotte is Amanda's sister which really makes her Emily's sister. Is this really true and how was it revealed? - How do Emily and Nolan know each other? Is there some deeper connection that has already been established or is this a future reveal? I ask because of the way her stumbled when trying to explain her to the CFO.
Second seasons of prime time soaps used to have a second season character intro that really energized the show. (Alexis, Abby, Richard Channing or the elevation of Sue Ellen to a regular)... will "Revenge" have one?
Charlotte is David Clarke's daughter from what we have been told, I actually don't even remember how it came out. So yes, she is Emily's half-sister as far as we know. Emily's Dad invested in Nolan's start-up back when he was in college and no one else wanted to give him money. After her Dad died Nolan is the one that found Emily and gave her David Clark's 49% ownership of his company which is how she has her money (he also gave her all her Dad's journals about what happened which started the whole Revenge plotline).
I'm waiting for Emily to take action and I'm impatient. Apparently, the Graysons are getting a pass till Ems can find her mother and apparently Victoria is the only (really?) person who can give her that info. The way it looks now, Ems will find out in every finale: "Wait! The Graysons also killed one of your third cousins!" Emily: "Next season, I'll really get my Revenge!" Don't get me wrong; I'm the biggest fan of the show. I just want Season 2 to be as good as or better than Season 1. The title may be hampering them. Is it too late to rename the show:"Bitches in the Hamptons?"
Last night's episode was not as good as the frst two of the seasson. Jack, however, looked yummy in his green, Old Navy tank top. Was the guy who Declan was with when he robbed the house the son of the guy who came to the bar the next day with Dec's driver's license?
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[quote]Was the guy who Declan was with when he robbed the house the son of the guy who came to the bar the next day with Dec's driver's license? No, he was the rich guy who persuaded Declan to hold on to the expensive watch(?) or something last episode. It's not clear how they made the jump to him suddenly breaking into houses, but it's Declan, so I don't really care about his subplot anyway.
Victoria so knows that Emily is Amanda. I mean, you think the White Haired Guy did not discuss that with her?? She kind of gave it away in that talk with Charlotte. And for you R61, we're all **bisexual**, right, ROLLS EYES>
Thanks R63. So when Nolan hesitated with "She's my, my, my.... Emily" it was really about her being his silent business partner.
R68, I think you meant R60. And I also suspect Victoria knows.
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R69, it was also meant as a humorous commentary on the weirdness of trying to define their relationship, in public or not - he helps her do "revenge-y" stuff with his technical knowledge, and she usually treats him as a friend. I liked this episode - I was kind of surprised that Emily was so willing to push Fauxmanda the Graysons' way and manipulate her about the baby, even though she knows the baby is really Jack's. And I like Aiden(?)'s counterpoint to Amanda - more on her level than Jack or Daniel, and he has his own revenge agenda which both makes him similar to her but also puts him at odds with her. And the actor (Barry Sloane?) is still a hottie. I also thought the father guy (yay Mr. Argent from Teen Wolf) of the house that was robbed is actually the father of Declan's preppie accomplice - the way he brought up Jack doing a "favor" in return for him not pressing charges made it seem like it was a setup to put Jack and Declan in his debt.
R66, the baby is Jack's really, but Emily (Real Amanda) told Amanda (Real Emily) that it wasn't, and that she'd done Amanda a favor by fixing the results so that she could fool Jack. On other stuff: I don't think Victoria knows that Emily is the real Amanda Clarke; I don't think she'd have been able to resist using that knowledge already. And I was also totally WTF about how Declan jumped from holding a stolen bracelet for that guy to burglarizing with him. Maybe the writers just didn't try and explain it because they couldn't, because it's such total fuckery. (I do tend to agree that I don't really care what Declan does, though.)
I am hoping it's Declan at the bottom of the boat. and they can bring on a younger hunkier less annoying kid whom Jack can play big brother to. I like their dynamic but Declan's snorting and wanting and 'life isn't fair' attitude are a turn off. He's the Diana Fairgate of REVENGE
[quote] the baby is Jack's really, but Emily (Real Amanda) told Amanda (Real Emily) that it wasn't, Was it actually revealed that the baby really IS Jack's? I remember Amanda and Emily on the phone where she just says Sorry and only little more. Was it actually shown what the result of the test truly was?
R74, I think your question got included with the quote, but yes, I think at some point in the previous episode Nolan (whom Emily had asked to "fix" the results, if necessary) indicated that the baby really was Jack's in a phone conversation with Emily.
They need to lose the CFO. She wandered in from an NBC sitcom and is completely out of place. The weak bantering, pseudo fliration and 'Hot for Teacher' bun and glasses seem to belong to another show. I don't get the whole Declan storyline and where it's going. Victoria's scene with the family pre-press conference was amazing. Madeline Stowe nailed it.
I love the show but it's veered off course. Why was Emily so casually chatting with the White Haired Man when they'd been in a near death battle at the end of season 1? Was she really surprised that he tried to kill her again? I wasn't. How stupid is Declan that he's falling for this stranger who's asking him to hang onto jewelry and break into houses? Why, if Declan is so broke, does he keep talking about moving out? Jack and Amanda have a free babysitter in him; tho I wouldn't let him water my plants. A blocked car kept Emily hanging around Grayson manor? REALLY a blocked car? She used to devise such intricate schemes to manipulate them all.
R77, the blocked car in the driveway didn't bother me because it was the flimsiest of pretenses but Ashley didn't know Emily had been banned so it was good enough for her. Also, the White Haired Man pacified her by discussing her mother and then moved in for the kill. If it hadn't been for the mom talk, I think she would have been ready. I thought the same thing as R64 about Emily eventually running out of immediate family members to avenge. It reminds me of the miniseries LACE and how a critic joked that in LACE III, Phoebe Cates was going to snarl, 'Which one of you bitches is my hairdresser?'
Amanda's mom and the White Hair Guy being romantically involved reminds me of the Falcon Crest story plot that went nowhere when that creepy asassin fell in love with Julia while pretending to be her doctor in that season about the Nazi treasure hunt.
Jennifer Jason Leigh needs to start being in this show a lot more!
I'm confused about something. Charlotte has been very close with Emily since late in the first season and I guess I thought that meant she knows that Emily is the real Amanda Clark and her half-sister. But Charlotte doesn't know, right? Charlotte thinks the fake Amanda is her sister? So then how/why are Charlotte and Emily so tight? I can't remember.
R81, Charlotte thinks of Emily almost as a sister - older girl around her age who lives next door and is always helpful to her (and who was engaged to her brother, remember - so they were almost sisters by marriage). The break-up with Daniel doesn't seem to have changed that.
The problem with shows built around a concept is that it's hard to stick to the original concept as the show's seasons progresses. Everyone is waiting for Emily to get revenge on the Graysons but the whole problem is, if she does get revenge then there will be no show. I don't know how they plan to rectify this without the audience eventually losing interest.
A revenge fuck seems in order. Too bad it's not in cable.
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R83 nails it. it's too bad. I love the show, love the characters.
[quote] they made the fact that he was bisexual painstakingly clear, even clarified it on the Kinsey scale. And it could've been bullshit. Lots of gay people claim to be bi as a way of stepping halfway out of the closet. I've done it. I didn't believe he was definitely bi until he confirmed it in tonight's episode. I won't consider it a de-gaying unless he ends up with a long-term girlfriend or married to a woman. In the old days, all gay characters either turned straight or died by the end of the movie. So Nolan has to end up with a man by the end of the series, it'd be too convenient for the writers to use his bisexuality as an excuse to do the old "turn straight or die" thing.
I love that Barry Sloane guy who plays the Aussie dude. He's a total babe.
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The Aussie is a fucking idiot. Anyone would have known not to turn their back on what's-her-name Clark.
What are you doing, posting potential spoilers in the main body of the original post, OP? You should post that inside the thread. Some of us are behind and didn't know that Victoria may be dead
Can't real Amanda find her mother AND seek Revenge. Its not like she has a job or anything..
I don't get it, is the British chick now fucking both Daniel AND his father?
i think so. Hope season 3 will be who killed Ashley in a grease fire...
Daniel and the Aussie guy are hot. I had to laugh at Jack and his brother Declan being the same height when they talked to each other in the hospital. I love the twists and turns (the guy from Teen Wolf scheming to get Jack's bar - could the arm that is found with the sunken ship be his?). Spoiler alert: If rumors are true Nolan gets a male love interest, too and maybe having threesomes with Padma (the chick from Greek).
I thought it was hilarious that the ONLY way they could find out what Victoria's signature looked like was to trick her into writing a check. You know, because there would otherwise be NOTHING existing with her signature on it. I hope Daniel hasn't really forgiven Ashley because she needs to die -- and take Declan with her.
ITA R94. Something like that NEVER would have flown in Season 1. I hope they recover. Fast.
[quote]I thought it was hilarious that the ONLY way they could find out what Victoria's signature looked like was to trick her into writing a check. You know, because there would otherwise be NOTHING existing with her signature on it. That was glaringly weak writing. Overall though I thought this episode was strongest one so far this season which has been a bit rough compared to the first.
the old Revenge would have had Emily having an ulterior motive for wanting the check; the only person who might fall for that lame reason was Amanda.
They didn't want Victoria's signature, they wanted her to write the word "Clarke." And they needed it not to be secretive because it was supposed to be coming from Fauxmanda who isn't all that bright and she needed to be able to confront Victoria with the evidence.
Yeah what r98 said, but honestly, this show's always been totally ridiculous, in a wonderful way, so I'm not looking to split hairs. We're up to how many comas now?
I didn't like this episode as much as previous ones - it just seemed a bit disjointed and not going anywhere. The Aussie (though I think the actor is English) continues to be the most interesting part of the new season for me - so hot, and I like him more as a counterpoint to Emily than I ever liked Jack or Daniel. But yeah, sometimes he does dumb stuff, like turning his back on Amanda's mom. I'm not really digging the female CFO as a love interest for Nolan - too giggly and girly. Let's face it, Nolan likes to be dominated by strong personalities (which was why it was fun to see Tyler seduce him). I guess the CFO's discovery at the end of the episode was that David Clarke helped Nolan out? Also, I'm not sure where the storyline surrounding the mother is supposed to go - so Emily now knows she's alive, that she's mentally unbalanced and tried to kill her when she was a kid. It's kind of like, okay, story's done, nothing that can be done about that - move on with your life, Emily. Most remarkable part of this episode? Definitely Emily's boobs on full display and falling out of that dress. Even Fauxmanda's strip club co-workers were dressed more modestly.
So how is it that the police were not on the scene at the Grayson's? It was called in as an accident. Wouldn't they automatically be dispatched? And what's going on with Jen Jason Leigh's mouth? It looks like it's sliding off the bottom of her face.
If my daughter really loved me she'd have a gun on Victoria and Victoria would say, 'So, you're really Amanda Clarke, the real one. Well, if you shoot me then you'll never learn...' BANG!
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Regarding the CFO's discovery of the plaque at the end: I think we were supposed to notice the signature. It looked like David Clarke's signature matched the one in the hospital visitor's log.
When I see the Revenge wave on the commercial break, I always think of the wave on Soap Dish's "The Sun Also Sets."
I think that CFO is not to be trusted. She's seems fishy to me and she stole a key or something off her boss's table. She could be a spy for the greysons.
I wonder if Padma lost someone in that plane crash Amanda's dad was framed for and now Padma is on her own path of ... revenge (ruining everybody who had contact with Amanda's dad including her own boss)?
The more involved Emily gets with Aidan (and the more I grow to like his character), the more I fear they're going to have her fall in love with him again but then kill him off at the end of the season, so that Emily will have a renewed motivation for "revenge" and go after the "Initiative" in later seasons. I think that'd suck, because: 1. I don't give a shit about the "Initiative" and some conspiracy-type shadow organization - Revenge is at its best in icy glares over cocktails at lawn parties, not chasing after terrorist agents in deserted parking garages. 2. I like Aidan's character and his dynamic with Emily (hot, protective, but not entirely trustworthy, with that past relationship tension mixed in), and it'd be nice if she had something good in her life (though I guess Nolan is supposed to be her stable presence).
She certainly looks fishy, R106.
Didn't the samething happen to Victoria's best friend(except it was a high rise apartment instead of a balcony inside a mansion)? Speaking of the best friend..is she dead for real this time?
She was on the plane so I guess she is. Apparently it really crashed. We don't know if the kid is Jacks in my mind. Nolan asked Em and she said she told Fauxmanda that the baby wasn't. Then NOLAN said something about the baby being Jacks and Fauxmanda not knowing. Emily then didn't say anything. So that could mean something or nothing, I'm not sure.
I just don't like that they put Nolan with some chick. Keep him on the gay side.
I follow the show on Facebook and for the 2nd week in a row they spoiled the show with a picture they put out. ABC pissed some people off.
Based on the first season and a half, we can guess that Victoria's ex-best friend played by Amber Valletta was injured in the plane crash, but is in some hospital somewhere in a coma.
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Since pregnant Amanda is in a coma, we can assume they are hospital roommates, R114?
We need a "fire at La Mirage" cliffhanger ending this season where fake Amanda/real Emily goes crazy, lights candles upstairs in the bar, the bar catches on fire, and at the end we hear the fire chief say, "There are two bodies in there." Then, first episode next season, we learn it was Ashley and Padma killed in the fire. Daniel, tired of being dicked around by the women in his life, turns to Nolan for comfort!
R113, I work in entertainment journalism and am finding that shows and actors (especially on Twitter) are giving more and more away. Giving it away is giving it away.
R114, yes, Amber V's character has bounced back from worse.
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I like the story lines in the second season so far. It's some of the details that bother me. Last week Fauxmanda was in a coma after falling down from second floor and this week she is completely fine? Even in the Revenge universe that's hard to swallow. The CFO of Nolan's company is a miscast. As a story line I can live with the character. But leaving the control of finances to an early twen? I just cannot get past that. That girl and Ashley over at Grayson makes me just feel disconnected to the whole show.
I want to see Declan and Ashley fall in love. And run away together (never to be seen or heard from again.) If size matters in TV - let Jack have some strapping [bold]big[/bold] brother he never knew he had show up.
I hope the Graysons' Hamptons beach house doesn't get destroyed by Sandy! Or maybe this is part of Emily's revenge!
Emily IS Sandy!...Dun dun dun!
Nice to know that a pregnant woman can fall over backwards from a second story balcony onto a hard stone floor and crack her head open and yet not suffer any lasting harm to either herself or her baby.
R123, to say nothing of how yelling at Victoria propelled her over into a back flip that was worthy of Shawn Johnson.
I thought Nolan was gay, why is he hooking up with that CFO (and I agree with R119, Padma and Ashley are way too young). I wish Real Amanda would speak up and stop with the girly-whisper-cutie voice. I can hardly hear what she's saying. FauxAmanda's so trashy.
Overall she might not have been the right choice for the character, but I still think that opening scene when Kara Clark does the slo-mo walk toward Victory to embrace her and say "I'm so glad you're safe" would have been much more powerful and fun if Sharon Stone was playing the part.
Nolan had previously claimed to be bi r125, but most of us hoped it was just a cover story. The important thing is he doesn't end up with a woman, as if he'd been "straightened out." Too convenient pandering to the homophobes in the audience. Don't introduce a queer character if you aren't willing to alienate the homophobes.
Would homophobes be watching anything as campy as [italic]Revenge[/italic]?
If it weren't for Madelene Stowe's best Joan Collins imitations I would really be losing my patience. Fauxmanda's recovery? Puhleeze. Logically she and the baby should be dead. Even, so, a real soap would keep her in a coma for another few weeks. (This is after we buy into the whole plane crash thingy, by the way, which was VERY Dynasty so that was okay, but don't push it!) And Nolan being bi? Puhleeeeeze. Even his flames have flames.
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Nolan, to Emily and her Aussie date: "Hello Emms...and Mr. Bond..."
Nolan has some good lines.
Notice Jack's haircut? Much better.
Nolan at the wedding reminded me of James Spader in Pretty in Pink.
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[quote]The important thing is he doesn't end up with a woman, as if he'd been "straightened out." Don't introduce a queer character if you aren't willing to alienate the homophobes That reasoning is absurd. Nolan is bisexual, a kinsey 3 specifically. If he ends up with a girl that isn't pandering or straightening him out. He is still a "queer" character. Now if all his love interests are females from here on out I could get the complaining, but spoilers already tell us that isn't the case. Interesting to see how many people have trouble accepting a male bisexual character. That is why I love Nolan, male bisexual characters are the rarest thing on TV, glad that Revenge introduced one and is following through on him being bi.
Bi's are far safer than gay characters, and if he does end up with a woman the straight audience will consider him "reformed" and straight now. Even if he's technically still queer, straights would see what they want to see, get real.
"straight audience will consider him reformed" Or he was sick, and now he's getting better!
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My GUESS is that Kara (is the writer a Superman fan?) knows Emily is Amanda and will end up saving her at just the right moment.
I'm really liking JJL I hope they do something good with her. Remind me why is she living with the Graysons? Clearly Victoria thought she was going to be murdered by her. I think that is good enough reason to kick her out... Nolan is looking his age this season... I also like FauxAmanda when she said if he messes with my family again I will take care of it MY way it was so cool. She may be trashy but it is i9n a positive way... How is the show doing in the ratings? even if its a better show I don't think its a good replacement for DH...
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JJL seems like she takes three too many pain pills every morning.
Her character may be on some pills. I hated JJL on Weeds, found her terribly annoying. But here on Revenge I find her a great addition. I think she stays at the Grayson house to have her under control. That's what the Graysons do. The ones they fear the most get invitations to stay.
I've always liked Jennifer Jason Leigh, but now it bothers me looking at her enhanced lips.
Of course Kara knows Emily is her daughter. She knew it the second she laid eyes on her. But she knew better than to say anything. Revenge was #20 in last week's ratings. A bit better than DH in its last two years but not even close to DH's best seasons. It's second in its time slot, behind Sunday Night Football but ahead of The Good Wife.
R143, I'm glad the ratings are still positive, even though going up against SNF must suck. I finally caught up on the last two episodes, and thought they were a marked improvement from the first part of the season - now the plot's moving along at a pretty quick pace, there are lots of plot strands opening up (possibility of Grayson Corp. taking over Nolan's company, Mason Treadwell discovering Emily Thorne, etc.) I wasn't a big fan of JJL at first, but she really brought on the creepy in interacting with Victoria, and I like their dynamic. I'm also glad they're "reforming" Emily a bit and having her treat Amanda a bit better with the baby, and having her mother affirm her central "goodness". Also it seems like they're trying to take Ashley's character in a different direction and give her a backstory, so hopefully she's more interesting. I still have little use for Declan, though he's more tolerable paired with Charlotte. Looking forward to what the season brings (I was getting concerned for a bit).
JJL is brilliant! So good to have her creepy weirdness back on the screen after what seems like a long quiet spell.
No comments about Sunday's show? What did you think about the strange commericals? Previews look like they are trying to turn this show into DH...
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"This one time, at revenge camp..." LOL! The previews seemed to show Nolan kissing a guy. Fingers crossed.
What the fucking fuck was with the Neiman Marcus/Target commercials?! That was a bit too close to jumping the shark for me.
Those ads were truly awful. Anyway, I do find it amusing that at stately Grayson Manor, apparently anyone can drive up and come in without security stopping them or notifying the house. The whole Grayson owning Nolan's company is really lazy writing. Grayson would have to produce an iron-clad contract AND prove that David Clarke pilfered Grayson funds to give to Nolan.
You could tell the actors were forced to do the ads. I quit watching after the third did Real Amanda and Victoria appear? Victoria wearing something from Target???
No, neither of the main stars appear to have been forced to appear. The nearest Neiman Marcus to Montauk is in a mall in Deer Park, Long Island, about 80 miles away. I suspect that's a tad too downmarket for the Graysons. [But then this is a show where people arrested in Suffolk County are held at Rikers.] I can't even imagine where the nearest dark alley and warehouse concert venue are.
Just dawned on me: were the dresses in the ads (that were admittedly very pretty) designed by Narciso Rodriguez? That would seem to have been the whole point of name-dropping him in the episode.
Of course they were forced to do it. So they whored themselves out to Neiman Marcus, you gotta do what you gotta do. Next time they try it just ignore it like you would any other commercial. I usually get back on my computer during the commercial breaks. It might've helped if at least the song at the party was any good. Jennifer Jason Leigh has lost her looks but now she looks even more like her father, Vic Morrow. The lip thing everyone is complaining about definitely comes from her father. And her acting always reminded me of him too. They were estranged when he was beheaded on the set of Twilight Zone the movie in the early 80s. I once looked for any interview were she discusses him and never found one. She can pretend he never existed, but he is living through her, she's still her father's daughter.
[quote] She can pretend he never existed, but he is living through her, she's still her father's daughter. I don't thing she's pretending he never existed. She and her sister received a large settlement from the producers of the Twilight Zone, and she's probably being very careful about not discussing that.
As if Nolan, Mr. Fashion Label, would shop at Target.
I don't think she has lost her looks. She looks the same just older...
She was never great looking, but she was cuter when she was younger.
I too thought they'd have the balls and keep Nolan sucking the dick. But it is ABC, after all. Still love the show. LOVE LOVE Daniel Grayson. The hottest, most fuckable guy on tv. The fact he's British is better. I like Amanda. I love her for the show's story to progress. But, can someone PLEASE answer me this: why are Amanda and Jack struggling so much financially? Wasn't it revealed last season that Jack KNEW Amanda had $5 million and deposited it in a bank in Montreal? Couldn't Emily (EVC) give Amanda some cash on the side so they can actually live in an apartment? In previous episodes, it was no big deal that Nolan gave him tens of thousands of dollars, Declan getting at least a 20K free ride to school, etc. The point is: if the writers feel those storylines are acceptable, then why is Amanda so poor?
Has there ever been an explanation how Emily came to know the Japanese guy who lead "revenge camp"? Was it in the box her dad left her? That's always bothered me more than the other soap elements. She's been in juvie forever and somehow she hooks up with this japanese guy who teaches her martial arts and the psychology behind it and VOILA!
r158, did you catch the preview? Looks like Nolan is kissing a guy in his office.
Solid episode last night. There are certainly numerous plot holes, but it's still an entertaining show.
I feel like I'd enjoy the show more if I had any idea what Emily is trying to accomplish beyond "revenge." She hardly even seems to have a goal this season. And how was her plan to marry Daniel supposed to pan out anyway?
Exactly, R162. I think the only reason Leo Mason went to jail was to get away from all the poor plotting.
It is a nighttime soap, a certain degree of implausibility goes with the territory. It's the price of it also being such campy fun.
I think that Jennifer Jason Leigh's character is a bit of a letdown. JJL is a great actress, but I thought the character was going to be very different. She gives the impression she's half awake.
If I was writing it the mother wouldn't have appeared yet, but I might have created a crazy aunt - mother's sister - to enter the picture for a while and wreak havoc. She could cause all kinds of trouble for the Graysons and also thwart Emily's plans.
Is there anyone who doesn't think the father is alive?
Just caught the episode on Hulu - the Target / Neiman Marcus ads were truly cringe-inducing, but hey, they definitely left an impression, which is what I guess they were going for. The episode itself was just out there (in a good way) - the Mason Treadwell plot was a bit too crazy and poorly plotted even for this show, though. Like, she's going to confess her true identity to him, then persuade him to confess to terrorism and spend time in jail? What happens if she dies (which isn't unlikely in the line of work she's pursuing) - then he'll be stuck in there forever. And Nolan agreeing to give up his multi-billion dollar company on the remote chance it'll help keep Emily safe - what? That doesn't make any sense. Still, seeing JJL holding Victoria and Conrad at gunpoint, seeing Victoria give Emily the most dismissive nod ever when accepting her wedding gift, and finally having hottie Aiden get it on - there's a reason I stlil tune in every week.
This show needs more Declan!
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can someone PLEASE answer my question: At one point, Fauxmanda had $5 million that she put in a Montreal bank. Jack KNEW she had the $$. It was the $$ that Emily (the real Amanda) gave her. SO....why are Fauxmanda and Jack living in poverty? Why doesn't she get an apt so she doesn't have to raise a baby in a bar? Jack accepted $$ from Nolan for the boat, the Graysons for Declan's education.... Makes no sense.
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R171/2, no one's purposefully ignoring you. We're not answering because we don't know, because it was never addressed on the show. The show seems to have forgotten about the money, presumably because it suits the writers more to have the "drama" of Jack struggling for money. He has to be struggling for money so that he could get drawn into a shady deal with the guy he's now in "partnership" with, that we all know will end up turning out badly. Sometimes writers on shows like this ignore stuff they've done before because it no longer suits their plot purposes. And sometimes they just forget it, amongst all the convoluted plotting. It could be either of those in this case.
thanks r173, but, while I enjoy the show, I think that is lazier writing than all of Helena Cassadine's escapades on GH. The point being: exactly how much reality do the writers wants the viewer to ignore? It makes no sense why Jack hasn't asked Amanda, after surviving a fall, to get some of her $$ so they can live in a nice house without mold. LOL
Totally not arguing with you, R174. It is lazy. I've noticed quite a lot of that this season, to be honest.
I wonder how much those actors got the target ads. Musta been a crapload. Meanwhile, the song writer on NASHVILLE won't let his song be used in a commercial. Anyone who says Money doesn't make a difference is either a fool or a liar.
I had better be in a fucking coma somewhere.
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The Target/Neiman Marcus ads were a tie-in with the show itself. Like the old days when a show would have the star say "sponsored by Kraft" or whatever, holding the product, and work the cast into a little commercial. Sure it's cheesy, but anything that brings in revenue for the show helps keep it on the air. The cast appeared either because they were forced or were simply being team players, I doubt the money they got paid for it was the draw. I'm sure that song from Nashville is awful, as country music is in general. And give up your dream of Nashville replacing 666, Revenge's target audience is urban and has no interest in that hick show.
With 666 Park Avenue cancelled it's time for Revenge to bring on Vanessa Williams as Ashley's mother.
Is that a new dude that Nolan is kissing in the preview for the next episode?
yeah, R180, he looks like EJ Bonila (sp?) who used to be on Guiding Light.
Loving Aiden. Looking forward to tonight's show. Flashback time.
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OMG - ADRIEN FUCKING DOUBLE 'D' BARBEAU IS VICTORIA'S MOTHER!!!
Oops, I mean 'ADRIENNE' Carry on.
I'm pretty sure Gabriel Mann is family. Not only is he 40 and never been married but last night's episode reinforced he has much better sexual chemistry with men than women. Still not sure how I am feeling about this show this season. I am still watching it but more out of habit that a strong desire to see what is happening next. Last night's episode was more entertaining than most of them this season have been, but still.
Love some of the attempts at character insight, but it never seems to dig deep enough. Am I wrong in thinking that the guy in the flashback was a little too young to have sons in their apparent 40s? He looked like he was 40 himself in 2006. Aiden is a better match for Emily than either Jack or Daniel and much more interesting.
Bring on the bisexual triangle!
One of the better episodes this season. Nothing really progressed but perfect setup for new characters and plot points.
The season so far is horrible!
I kind of agree, R189. I watched the first season over the course of a weekend, basically, and I was so hooked and just wanted to keep finding out what was going to happen next. Now, it just seems so soap opera-ish, and I seem to lose track of what happened the week before. Maybe this is the type of show you need to marathon watch.
I wouldn't call it bad yet, but it is inferior to the first season. Loved last night's show because it showed promise for future episodes. And I want Aiden.
I find that so many shows that I've discovered late and watched in a weekend marathon on Netflix seem much better watched back-to-back rather than waiting a full week. Revenge, Downton Abbey, Friday Night Lights, the Borgias all fit into this.
I think the show went downhill last season after Daniel arrested for Tyler's murder. I really believe this show should be ten episodes per season with everything taking place each summer in the Hamptons.
I love how ruthless Victoria was to her mother. Her childhood explains how she became so cold and calculating. Young Vicky reminds me of Charlotte.
The ratings sunk. Hopefully it will bounce back for the winter finale.
So Victoria hasn't seen her mother in 35 years but still feels the need to set her up as a patsy, and Conrad buys into it? Just silly. And the casting for the two women in the flashbacks could not have been worse. Neither of them looked anything like their supposed counterpart at all.
While I agree that the second season isn't quite as good as the first, I like that the show now involves multiple people getting revenge against others for past slights, rather than just one person against many. And I love that my boyfriend Nolan got a kiss on Sunday, even if he got dumped.
[quote]So Victoria hasn't seen her mother in 35 years but still feels the need to set her up as a patsy, and Conrad buys into it? Just silly. It totally agree. Bad, silly soap opera writing. It would have been evil enough -- and believable and crueler -- if Victoria plunged a knife in a REAL relationship. Although when I saw them, I thought, "There is no way a guy who looks that good would be with that old hag."
Can someone give me an synopsis of what's happening? I didn't catch all of last episode, and haven't been watching that closely today. Who are these thugs with Jack? Why is the taller one so hot? Why is Daniel so mean? What's up with Nolan and his corporation? Can Nolan grow his hair back out? He doesn't have the ears for shorter hair.
Oops, 'a' synopsis... don't want to invoke the 'oh dear' troll(s).
How come no one is ever shirtless anymore?
Daniel was shirtless in tonight's episode.
Tonight's episode was better. Although, the "initiative" aspect does not do the show any favors.
The show is boring and spinning its wheels at this point. Aidan is a cipher, the Kara Clarke storyline went absolutely nowhere, and the Initiative is so over the top silly and so poor explained that it's impossible to care about it. At this point I wish they'd just get back to the takedown of the week because at least that was fun to watch.
Poor Ashley, poor stupid, ambitious Ashley. It's a pity to see Joaquim de Almeida losing his looks. He was so handsome in [italic]Welcome to Babylon[/italic].
I want to see more of Marco. A lot more.
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This show no longer makes any sense. Emily pushing for Grayson to get half the company? Ur, that would be HER half and mean she wasn't entitled to any money.
R207, Emily already took her half in cash and ran (that's what Nolan's CFO ex-bf noted and dumped him over). Grayson is getting 51% of Nolan's share (which was the whole remaining company after she took her money.) But it sounds like Nolan still has something up his sleeve.
R208: I understood all that, but she is leaving herself open to a lawsuit to recover all that money. Plus, in real life, she would have pissed off Nolan so much he would certainly not be friends with her.
I agree Nolan would be mad in real life, but Revenge ain't real life. Plus, he was worth $19.8 billion before "losing" 51%, so he's still got plenty of change.
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I still enjoy the series but the bar subplot is terrible, no one cares. And that scene with the members of the Initiave watching Daniel? Pure Sydney Bristow, SD-6 shit.
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R211, I'm actually FFing through the bar subplot scenes, for real.
I'm FF'ing anything to do with Jack and Declan, too. I watch Revenge to see rich people, not some Gilmore Girls rejects.
I desperately want to ignore that Jack and Declan stuff too but suspect it will tie into "Amanda" some way. I'm afraid of not knowing what's going on when the plotlines converge.
The Initiative is to Revenge what the Initiative was to Buffy. Fucking ridiculous. GET BACK TO BASICS and bring back my favorite show!!
The actor who plays Jacks has zero presence, but next to the actor who plays his brother, he is Hugh Jackman.
The guy playing Nolan's ex is bland as hell.
r217: He is fugly, too.
It was an inevitable problem R215. The show started off about a girl seeking Revenge against a specific group of people. That should only last one season. So to be a multiseason show they have to create these ridiculous plotlines. The problem is this isn't the show viewers signed up for. I actually think the guy that plays Jack does well, his plotlines just tend to suck. The guy that plays Declan is a weak actor though.
I wanna smack Mike Kelley and the writers for veering so off course with this show. I did enjoy Victoria slapping hubby and he asked "What was that for?" and she replied "Take your pick." That was good.
The idea of pouty frat boy Daniel taking over a major company (doing whatever it is that they do) is so ludicrous that it borders on camp. Next I'm expecting Alexis Carrington to stroll into the board room and announce "I now own Grayson Global!!"
Not killing Daniel was a mistake. Aiden is perfect for Emily and sooo much better than Daniel and Jack that I'm worried he will be the body on the boat, instead of one of those thugs from the bar.
[quote] I did enjoy Victoria slapping hubby and he asked "What was that for?" and she replied "Take your pick." Yeah that was fun. And believable. 20 year olds becoming CFO or CEO of companies, not so much. But at least Daniel grew some backbone this season. Last season he was merely everybody's doormat.
This show sucks! Don't know what happened, but it's gone off the fucking rails. Until The Walking Dead returns, I'm back to watching Seth mania on Fox. Both of his shows suck too, but at least I'll get a few laughs from them.
I forget - does Victoria know that Emily = real Amanda? Marco's sudden interest in rekindling with Nolan came out of nowhere. How could Nolan not be suspicious? At least there were no scenes with the insipid woman he's dating.
Pretty good return episode, but the breaks on these shows completely kill momentum.
That "initiative" woman is such a cliche moustache-twirling villain. Her scenes completely take me out of the show.
Any thoughts on tonight's episode? The bar-sub plot doesn't get any more interesting. It's escalating and I still don't care. It was ridiculous that they spend several scenes explaining why Emily must notbe involved in that pot. Because if she knew the plot could be done in 10 minutes. Just end it already. On another notte, I want to see Marco shirtless. Love that little nerd.
R225, Victoria most definitely does *not* know that Emily is the real Amanda. Agreed that these long breaks are getting old, and I'm still missing last season's format where Emily would pick a name from her dad's burn list and take him down. Also, it's getting increasingly stupid that the characters ostensibly live in the Hamptons and yet spend nearly all of their daylight hours in Manhattan. (That said, considering every major character is a billionaire, it's not at all unfeasible that they'd just charter a chopper ride straight back to the beach.) Also getting old: Nolan and his "girlfriend." Worse, he's being semi-stalked by an ex-bf who's frankly pretty fugly. I want to see him get it on with hot hustlers like last season!
I watch, but I really don't know what's going on anymore.
r229 - I don't think Marco's fug. I was hoping he'd get rid of the "girlfriend" and twirl off with Nolan, but it looks like he's just being set up to be collateral damage. Bet he'll be offed by the GF and Nolan won't find out until too late.
No, Marco will stick around. Lots of negative blowback from viewers about making Nolan bi. Expect Padma to die a bloody and well-deserved death.
I used to live for this show, but it fucking sucks this year. I can barely even make it through the episodes most weeks. If it doesn't turn around soon it's gonna end up dropping off my DVR.
Agreed. De-gaying Nolan was a dealbreaker. Last year watching Victoria push Fauzmanda off the balcony was great, but then I expected to see her head cracked open on the hard marble surface. But instead what do we get? She gets a bandaid and a healthy baby. And loses the baby fat in about 8 minutes. Puhleeeeze.
Daniel shirtless next week. I can't wait.
Did they really "de-gay" Nolan? I was actually hoping they would represent him as a bisexual.
I agree that the writing has been week this season, but in fairness to continuity, they did have Nolan state explicitly that he was a "Kinsey 3" last year.
^weak! Damn you iPhone! The character of Helen Crowley and that woman who plays her had such potential for camp greatness. Wasted.
I don't really understand how Helen Crowley fits into the storyline. Or even the drug guys. I'd re-watch some episodes if I was still really invested in the show.
It has been obvious that the writers/creator had no overall plan after season 1.
Helen Crowley is the head of the organization, the "Initiative", that brought down the plane and blackmailed the Graysons into framing David Clarke for it. The Initiative also kidnapped Aiden's sister or something. We still don't know any more than that.
Oh - okay - thanks, R241. If I'm going to watch the show, then I guess I should pay better attention. Or at least read some recap sites...
I disagree, r.240, the writers clearly had a plan for season 1 but I don't think they ever assumed the series would be successful or renewed so they are floundering around for season 2.
I think that's what R240 said.
If the writers had a plan for Season 2, it's not working. I find myself getting really bored with the show. The Initiative storyline is awful. The more the show goes on, the more I'm convinced the premise really was just for one season.
I absolutely hate Wendy Crewson as Helen Crowley. She's unrelentingly awful. Faye Dunaway would have been much more right to play her.