I have grooves under my eyes (due to high cheekbones and genetics), and it makes me look 10 years older than I am. I fucking hate it.
NOT dark circles, that I could actually deal with. This is actually a hollow space under my eyes. It looks awful.
Advice? I'm in Los Angeles/Orange County area if anyone has any recommendations to help.
PS: I'm like the "before" at link, but worse :(
I just had it done recently and I think the doctor was too conservative. I plan and having
at bit more soon. I did like this doctor a lot. Female in Calabasas if that works for you.
What do they use to fill the space?
I've been reading a lot about Sculptra for this purpose.
OP has more money than sense.
R2, can you link his name? Site? How long ago did you have it done? Any other info you want to share?
Why did you decide to have it done?
A friend had this done about 6 months ago. None of his freinds thought it was a big deal in how he looked, but for him it was.The change in him is amazing, he finaly has some self confidence. If this is a big deal for you, go for it OP
That guy has fucking incredible eyes.
R4, don't be a dick. I'm sure there are things you spend money on that I wouldn't agree with.
Dr. Celia Brown.
She spends a lot of time with you. She is
very personable. I will be going back again.
OP, you look good. How often do you have to re-do it? You look very young.
Reread OP's post, R10.
R9, thanks! I'd rather have a Dr who is conservative. However, I don't want to have to pay twice for what I could have done in one visit. What do you think?? Do you mind if I ask the cost?
R10, that's not me in my post.. Just a link.
DL never fails to satisfy my curiosity.
I'd like more info as well.
The blonde in the slide show at the link r9 posted looks a wax museum display.
OP, you have a point. It's not usually wrinkles that ages a person, it's sagging, hollows, etc.. Hollows under the eyes, nasiolabial folds, jowls, etc.
Save the $ on botox and get the hollows and folds fixed!
Also, make sure your teeth look great. That's another thing that can age you if they don't look good.
OP, I had one filler injection and 22 units of Botox (I actually have no idea what that means) and the price for me was $670. The Botox was $10 per unit so the filler was $450 which seemed fair. There was a promotion which gave a a $100 credit on the Juviderm.
R19, 22 units of Botox is A LOT. Can you even *move* the upper part of your face? The better dermatologists and cosmetic surgeons today know how to inject Botox in a way that avoids the dreaded "frozen face" (a la Nicole Kidman) look, to inject directly into the muscles causing wrinkles but still allowing you movement within your forehead in general.
You're still going to die. You're just ineffectively and unpersuaively and expensively forestalling the inevitable.
R20: yes I can move my face and the one wrinkle (frown line near inner eye) is
still there although not as much.
I never understood it when people say how
shiny someone's forehead is due to Botox.
A little powder and shiny is gone.
I've had various fillers done in the last 6-7 years and have researched it extensively. I live in LA area. In 2010 went to a doc in Beverly Hills named Jonathan Hoenig who specializes in oculoplastic surgery. He is well known for doing under eye filler. You can find Yelp reviews, Vitals.com reviews and at that time lots of comments about him on PS/cosmetic surgery forums (makemeheal.com is the most active). He prefers Restylane (which is what I had)and is a good, conservative injector. I went back after 4-6 weeks to have the rest of what I paid for injected (so I think he did 1/4 syringe and then the remaining 1/4 syringe). I think I paid $400 for half-syringe, which is pretty expensive for 2010 (but I've had quotes that were laughably higher from another doctor's office). It did not last very long (maybe 4 months) but it looked pretty good. Maybe it lasts longer if you're younger, not sure.
Sculptra (which I am considering for my lower cheeks but haven't done yet) is NOT supposed to be good for the tear trough/under eye.
Dr. Hoenig is a little bit of a prima donna in personality (I guess not gay--he's married and wife works in the office). Another doc in BH with great reviews is Guy Masry (haven't been to him but thinking about it).
I am in my 60s (and female) FWIW and am always told that I look younger (I know--everybody says that). I don't have many wrinkles, but almost everybody has them at my age. But I'm a believer in injectables. The fillers I had in my nasolabial lines (mostly Restylane, but Juvederm at least once) worked great and those lines have actually been permanently minimized--I probably had it done 5 or so times over a couple of years. So I think the claim that it can build up your own collagen might be true (seems to have happened for me).
Try Dr. Hoenig unless his price has gone through the roof. Other parts of your face don't really need an expert injector but your under eyes absolutely do. Good luck.
R24 do you know good surgeons for breast lifts?
Check out Makemeheal dot com forum. That's where I look for docs now. I haven't found another board that's more active. Realself is another source but I think it's mostly doctors advertising themselves. But there are a lot of questions answered there. Even if you have to pay $200 (or whatever) for a consulting fee, do go to meet at least 4 (or more) surgeons before you make your decision. Look at their photo galleries. Always best to find a surgeon who specializes in the procedure you want done, not a generalist. Good luck!
No. I have never had ANY work done. Don't you dare suggest otherwise, or I will call my attorney PDQ.
Who's the best for fillers in NYC?
Yes - Restylane works wonders under my eyes. Your body absorbs it over time so you have to have it redone periodically, and it is not cheap. But, the results are excellent and completely unnoticeable (if you have a good Dr.) My Dr. is a board certified facial plastic surgeon who has a large male clientele (pro ballers, CEOs, etc.) Here is a photo of the Dr. himself after he treated one of his own eyes with Restylane.
The dermatologist at the spa I go to in LA, Erik Chagall, sent me to Dr. Lisle Von Rhuman. It was expensive but the injection worked quickly. She is recommended by many celebrities here.
[quote] 22 units of Botox is A LOT
No. its not. I get 55 units in my forehead, glabella, bunny lines (nose) and crow's feet.
R19 got a good deal. Where I am, a "sale" is $10 per unit for Botox. I get Radiesse rather than Juvederm. It's $800 per vial and I wait until there's a two for one sale to get it (which happens once or twice a year).
My doctor uses Belotero under the eyes. It's supposed to have fewer side effects. I haven't had it done.
I get Radiesse for nasolabial folds, marionette lines, chin pebbles and for a wrinkle in the glabella area that looks like a dagger wound. It lasts about 5 months and I get constant compliments of how good I look. It's so funny because I know my face looks better, but I don't see so much of a difference as other people seem to see after I've let it wear off and then get it done again.
My doctor also does Selphyl, but that's just too expensive for me.
The more expensive it is the better it must be.
Leave your face alone, you look fine.
[quote] The more expensive it is the better it must be.
Not really. Selphyl lasts as long as other fillers. The advantage is it's your own blood. Many people on all-natural kicks won't get an artificial filler, but they will get selphyl because it's "natural."
It's like paying more for organic food. If you eat a carrot, how long it takes for you to be hungry again doesn't depend on whether or not your carrot was organic or not.
I've been getting botox since 1999 and fillers since 2003. The younger you are, the longer it lasts. The older you are, the sooner it wears off. And I've never known anybody who has received results lasting 2 years, which some doctors claim fillers can last. Nobody.
For me, 9 months has been the longest fillers have lasted. Right now, they last about 5 months for me. But I'm 10 years older than when I first started getting fillers injected.
I've had it done but I'm not 100% sure what was used. Not Sculptra. It was either Restylane or Juviderm. I think Restylane but that was a few years ago so who knows what she uses now?
My Dr. is Ava Shamban in Santa Monica. I highly recommend her. Very competent and I'd just trust her judgement on type of filler.
Start young - as young as possible - that's the only way to get on top of aging before it hits you. Cost should be no object. You can do it - just look at Cher, she looks wonderful. Joan Rivers looks great, too. Start now and you can be a success sorry, too! Most clinics have payment plans.
Restalyne is a gel based filler that lasts about 4-6 months, but over time and with repeated usage, it might last longer.
Botox relaxes the muscle, this can be useful below the lower lashline, so you don't get a squinty look which then causes a fat pocket "jelly roll" under the eye.
There are other injectables like Radisse or Artifil but I haven't done those.
A stronger approach is fat graphing but every doc will tell you to do a regular filler first.
Dr Torkian of the Lasky Clinic in Bev Hills is great.
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