- Liberal Party....Liberal Party...It'll come to me.
- Yay! I love Justin.
- As expected.
His father was likely Canada's greatest PM.....but he is not his father. See Henry Fords family, to see how badly his children and grandchildren did in business.
I just hope he doesn't repeat his father mistake of distancing Canada from the UK. In the 21st Century, things are going to be scarcity, militarily and economically challenging for all. The old British Commonwealth nations of Canada, UK and Australia need to regroup politically, to survive what is coming. The USA is shutting its doors to Canada (and the world) and Canada is not big enough to make it alone. China only considers Canada a depot of oil and theft zone for intellectual property. China is a bad economic partner for Canada or any country.
A Canadian, UK, Australian re-group would help protect all 3 countries from the 21st century turmoil.
- Don't like Mulcair, R1. Such a vile man.
Hope Justin takes away some of his support.
- I would argue that Pearson was the greater PM in the 20th century.
Justin seems like the usual clueless, moneyed Westmount set.
- R5 = Conservative shill.
Justin doesn't even like in Westmount.
He lives in Papineau, in the down-scale riding he represents.
- Bad news for Mulcair as many of those NDP seats will go back to Liberal seats.
- Is Canada ready for a Prime Minister with a tattoo who boxes and looks like this?
- I hope so, R7.
- R8, the guy with the big tattoo on the right is a Conservative Senator.
Justin is on the left. And he would be the best-looking Prime Minister ever.
- [quote]Is Canada ready for a Prime Minister with a tattoo who boxes and looks like this?
Yes, we are. We certainly are.
Trudeau will be the next prime minister.
- Considering current PM Stephen Harper is the most Socially Conservative PM in the G7, plus prides himself on selling off Canada's natural resources to the Chinese....how can things get any worse?
- I would rather vote for Justin Theroux.
- He can capture the youth vote and the enthusiasm that Jack Layton did in 2011.
- I'm hoping so, R14. I'm hardly a 'youth' (41), but I'd love to see guys like Justin move in and take over as PM rather than some stodgy, douchey, glory-hole loving closet case like Jason Kenney. I want young people to rally around guys like Justin, who I don't think is trying to ride his father's coattails at all. People who disagree, such as R5, fear a change back to a better Canada - you know, the time before Harper.
- Justin is not the problem, the problem is all the dinosaurs still left in the Liberal Party looking at Justin as their new hand puppet to power.
Operation Liberal Clean flush is what will make Justin a good PM.
- R16, many of the old dinosaurs were defeated in the last election
- They started by choosing Mike Crawley as President of the Liberals over Sheila Copps.
- The Liberals have to get rid of Rae, Copps and Iggnatief - fast. I think if they want a "Master Yoda", ex-PM Jean Chretien will serve well in that role.
- R19, Ignatieff has been gone since May 2011 when he lost his seat.
Copps just works behind the scenes - she lost the race for the Presidency of the Party.
And Rae's term as Interim Leader will be over in April.
- Any truth that Justin and his father are bisexual?
- [quote]she lost the race for the Presidency of the Party.
There's no such thing as the "presidency" of the party.
- Actually Copps no longer works behind the scenes. Once she lost the Presidency she said she is through with politics.
But she will campaign where she is needed.
- I think Copps is the President of the Red Hat Society, now.
- There have been rumors, R21.
Justin's father was the first Prime Minister to decriminalize homosexuality in Canada back in 1968, as you may know.
- R22 then what is Mike Crawley's title if he is NOT the President of the Liberal Party?
- Oh, dear, R22.
You obviously have never heard of the Party Presidency - it's the executive position each federal party has. It's the equivalent to the head of the DNC or RNC in the US.
The Liberals, Conservatives & NDP all have Party Presidents.
- R6, I thought he still lived in the Cormier House
- R28, that's where Justin's brother Sacha & his family live.
- Justin won't be PM!
- [quote]Justin Trudeau trends worldwide after leadership news
- Canadian Illuminati, eh. Garbage in, garbage out. Garbage in.
I met his father once in Ottawa. Good with kids - the yellowest teeth I've ever seen.
- Well, we now have the Canadian equivalent of Paul Ryan, a young guy putting himself into a foolish position. Give your head a shake there Justin.
- He'll lose.
- R33, don't compare Paul Ryan and Justin Trudeau - they are totally different people.
Lose what, R34?
- Justin will be the prettiest national leader!
- He is so fucking hot.
- I wonder if he has a big uncut French cock, R37?
- The problem with Justin is that he's also Margaret Sinclair's son and every now and then something he does or says reminds us of that.
- R39 = Conservative talking point
We've heard it hundreds of times before.
- r40 = Tom Wappel
- R41, Tom Wappel is a former right-leaning Liberal MP. Not sure what he has to do with this discussion.
What many Conservatives don't realize is that what is most important for a politician is likeability and charisma (Romney's problem) - and Justin gets that from his mother.
They don't care whether someone is an intellectual and has 5 degrees from Harvard (look what happened to Ignatieff).
- Do liberals even stand a chance in today's Canada?
- Why not, R43?
The Conservatives barely have enough support to maintain the Government they have now, and the NDP has only recently become the Opposition and hasn't shown any staying power yet.
- R44, Canada has shifted to the right. It's frightening. The violence and racism is sickening!
- [quote]the first Prime Minister to decriminalize homosexuality
How many can there be?
- I deeply care who will lead Canada, aka "Baja Minnesota."
- R45 is clutching her pearls & making up shit in every single Canada thread.
- Stephen Harpers Conservative Party is about to make a huge jump to the farther right wing. This is the year the Evangelicals "take back the agenda". Abortion, Gay Equality, Stem Cells....expect the next couple of years in Canada to be like the US Christian Coalition of the 1980s all over again.
- Canadians should strip down and show the world their natural assets.
- R49, Stephen Harper may be an asshole, but he's too smart for that.
No way he is going to allow his party to move far to the right on social issues or he will lose the next election. Moderate conservative women and other voters will leave and go back to the Liberals and NDP.
- With Justin Trudeau as their leader, Liberals would easily win federal election: exclusive poll
- R51, Harper is not being given the option to allow anything. He is being told now. Abortion, Stem Cell and Gay Equality are all being discussed this year, whether Harper likes it or not.
As anti-gay as Harper is, he is still a moderate compared to the rest of his party.
- All the fear-mongering that Canada is moving farthur to the right is from Americans who are clueless about the Canadian political system.
The majority of Canada is not conservative, despite the Conservative Party winning the government with a majority. We have a parliamentary democracy with many political parties, the parties who win do not reflect the entire or even majority makeup of the country.
There are currently 3 major left-leaning parties in Canada. The Liberal Party, The New Democrat Party(NDP) and the Green Party.(i'm leaving the Bloq-Quebecois out right now, even though technically they are left-leaning/moderate).
So the left vote in Canada is split between 3 parties.
Conversally, there is only 1 major right-leaning party in the country, so their vote isn't split.
That is the only reason the Conservative won, and that they won a majority.
If you were to look at the overall demographics of the percentage of Canadians voting for which type of parties, you would see that most Canadians are left-leaning.
There isn't a giant right-wing faction in Canada, no matter what you want to believe. Most Canadians don't want to touch abortion rights, and gay rights.
- I think it's a little too soon, but I would like to see him as PM some day. I also want to lick his armpits.
- The population of Canada, largely due to massive immigration, is becoming far more socially conservative.
Many of the school boards fighting against the "it gets better" campaign (from Surrey, to Durham, Ontario and Turro, Nova Scotia) are filled with immigrant parents.
The New Conservative voter is more likely to be a recent immigrant from Asia or India.
- The factions fighting the It Gets Better campaign and the gsa alliances are actually a coalition of religious conservatives who are from many religions. Conservative Christians, conservative Muslims, conservative Jews.
Look into it.
In Ontario, they are also campaigning for the right to remove their children from classrooms when certain lessons come up (anything about gay rights/history, sex ed).
And in particular in Ontario, it was the Christians who were leading the march to ban gsa's.
So please don't start with this immigrant bullshit, religious crazies from all sides were involved in that push.
- The Burnaby Parents Voice leads the fight to overturn GSAs in BC. They are largely formed of recent Asian immigrants (see link), as were the 4 bus loads of campaigners against equal marriage, sent to Ottawa in 2006 (CTV News even mentioned the Chinese concentration among these anti-gay protestors).
Political correctness is not something to hide behind and make excuses for, which is what you are doing.
- Canadians here still want to believe that Canada is a liberal paradise. You will have to face reality when the next election rolls around. Harper ain't going nowhere.
- R59, did you see the poll at R52?
- [quote]I'm hardly a 'youth' (41)
- The Trudeau name in Canada is golden. Worth a 30% boost in votes.
Unfortunately Justin did not inherit the genius of his father, so here is hoping he has good people around him.
- R62, Justin is very smart in many ways and has good people skills. What's important is connecting with voters. People don't want a snob from Harvard with 5 degrees (eg. look what happened to Ignatieff).
- What R63 said.
Justin is not as smart as his father was, but he's still miles ahead of politicians like Harper.
He has an amazing team behind him. He's going to win the next election.
- And most Canadian politicians aren't likely to be as smart as Pierre Trudeau anyway - he was a Rhodes Scholar, Professor of Constitutional Law, and Justice Minister under Prime Minister Pearson.
It's unfair to compare Justin to Pierre.
- Politics is a blood sport
Harper & Company will throw everything they have at him.
Hope Trudeau can fight back
- If Justin runs, and he will, expect the Jack Layton bump to drop back down to the verge of the NDP losing it's party status again.
The NDP vote was all for Jack Layton (RIP).
- The Republicans are throwing everything they have at Obama and look where it got them. I expect Harper's Conservative to suffer a similar fate, as their strategists also work for the US Republican Party.
Trudeau does not have to fight back, he just has to beat down the Conservatives with their own sound bytes, just like Obama is doing with Mitts 47% remark.
- It will be harder for the Conservatives to define Justin because Canadians already know a lot about him since he has grown up before the public's eyes.
- really, run for office?
And he just threw up on stage!
- The most beautiful men in the world are gay men from Queerbec. Jaw droppingly hot.
- Quebec Politicians are better at standing up to Washington's bully tactics.
- He's hot but not as hot as that Indian Pat Brazeau, the senator
- R73, why would you think that guy is hot? He's kind of pudgy, and he's a Conservative.
- I'm a Canadian and it really saddens me to see where our country has gone. Yes there was a time when people here were cooler and more open minded than Americans, but that's in the past now.
- Not pudgy, stocky and a black belt, second degree.
- R76, that was the Conservative propaganda they put out about him before the race.
He's out of shape and got his ass kicked by Justin in their boxing match.
- I agree, R75. There needs to be someone, or something to defeat Harper & his ilk before the total ruin of Canada asap, or Canada is really finished.
- I want Justin to do well. And more than that, I want Harper and his fucking party gone - every last one of them. I dread the day some asshole like Jason Kenney gets even more power than he has now. And I'm tired of closet cases like Brad Trost stirring up the abortion debate.
- Speaking of closet cases, I don't see the Conservatives electing a closet case like Jason Kenney as their Leader.
- Well I see closet case Brad Trost rectified that situation and got married this summer.
- The dark hair with the light colored eyes always a winning combination.
- R54 to an American the Bloq Quebecois would be a left-leaning party by most measures. A large majority of Bloq MPs voted in support of gay marriage and Gilles Duceppe was strong supporter of gay rights and the environment. Quebec itself is probably the most socialist province/state in North America.
The NDP owns my riding, but I'll be voting Liberal for the first time in 3 elections.
- I'd say Trudeau's body is more toned than Brazeau's, yes?
- More shirtless boxing photos
- And here:
- Brazeau is a douchebag.
- Ew the guy in the do rag is nastay!
- Do rag?
- R83, just vote for the party that has the best chance to defeat the Harper Conservatives in your riding.
- [quote]Justin Trudeau To Hold Rally In Papineau Tuesday To Announce Liberal Leadership Run
- LIVE FROM MONTREAL
Justin Trudeau about to officially announce for Liberal Leadership
- Justin Trudeau on Rebuilding the Liberal Party (VIDEO)
- Justin leading the Liberal party will be sexually confusing for Harper's Cabinet of Closeted Gays.
- Has anyone here ever seen Justin Trudeau naked?
- here you go boys!
- I'm actually scared for him because Harper and the Conservatives are going to rip him apart and destroy him.
- The woman interviewing him looks like she's going to come when he's talking. She's really troll-y looking.
I had no idea that you have to send MONEY to your party of choice in Canada! Is that across all parties? And you have to give them your "data" which is what Jason Trudeau wants. I really think that's a bad idea!
- R98, no one is required to give money to the Party they vote for - it's optional. It's for those who become members and donors and want to help it in elections.
And yes, Justin Trudeau turns women (and gay men) on big time. He should raise the Liberal women's vote in the next election.
And I think he is just talking about the need for parties to have better demographic information about their voters, the way they do in the U.S.
- "the way they do in the US".
I hate to break it to you but the "parties" here really don't have that kind of information nor does anyone have to contribute to be a member, which Justin did acknowledge. But the data thing is WEIRD.
You can go and volunteer at any R/D/G/P&F/etc office, make phone calls and even call from your computer and volunteer at home without giving them much information other than your name and you don't have to show ID when you volunteer at the offices - just sign a sheet of paper.
- [quote]Trudeau’s leadership bid boosts Liberals in recent poll
The Liberal Party of Canada enjoyed a bounce in its popularity after the once-dominant party kicked off a leadership race that has been a one-man show featuring MP Justin Trudeau, according to a new poll by Nanos Research Inc.
In a survey released Sunday, the three leading parties were tightly grouped, with the Liberals edging ahead of the New Democrats with 30.1 per cent of support compared to 27.9 per cent for the NDP. The Conservatives continued to hold down the top spot with 33.3 per cent.
The Liberals – who have embarked on a national rebuilding project – jumped 5.5 percentage points from their September showing, powered by strong gains in Ontario and British Columbia.
The Nanos poll surveyed 1,000 Canadians by telephone between Oct. 4 and Oct. 11, and is accurate to within 3.1 percentage points.
Pollster Nik Nanos said the bump in the polls coincided with the emergence of the Montreal MP, who is a son of former prime minister Pierre Trudeau, as the prohibitive front-runner in the leadership race.
“I think what this shows is that the focus on the Liberal leadership race and the declaration of Justin Trudeau has been good, but it’s been good in Ontario and British Columbia,” Mr. Nanos said.
“It’s quite interesting that Justin Trudeau and Marc Garneau – two of the names bandied about a lot – are both based in Quebec, but the Quebec numbers have not changed for the Liberals.”
In Quebec, the NDP – which is led by former provincial environment minister Thomas Mulcair – remains solidly in front with 35.7 per cent of support, followed by 25 per cent for the Liberals. The province has become an NDP stronghold after the party was propelled to official opposition status by electing 58 MPs there in the 2011 election.
- I'm an American and I honestly don't follow Canadian politics much, but isn't Justin Trudeau really a complete lightweight? Is he smart at all?
- R102, he's not an intellectual powerhouse or Constitutional Law Professor like his father was, but yes, he is smart in many different ways.
He has a B.A. in History, and a B. Ed., and was a teacher for many years. Then he became an M.P. 4 years ago. He is fluent in both English and French.
- Yes, r102.
No offense to the poster below you, but if you're asking is he a political lightweight, then yes he is.
I'm not speaking to his education, just the way he presents himself in public.
The media like him because he's photogenic and the name doesn't hurt. Whenever I've seen him interviewed, he's never been tested on hard, realpolitik questions that other MPs get.
The interesting development today is McGuinty's resignation. Anyone have any ideas why?
I had a fleeting thought of him running federally, but AFAIK, he's English only.
- No, McGuinty speaks French too (although obviously not as well as someone like Trudeau).
I think McGuinity's departure as Ontario Premier is just coincidental. It's possible he could run for the Federal leadership, but I think he just realized it was time to move on since he had been elected 3 times and is down in the polls provincially. The Ontario Liberals need a new leader without all the baggage.
- Yeah, I think McGuinty is just getting out while the getting is good. I'm curious to see if ON will flip Conservative. Somehow, I think they will.
- Again - I'm actually scared for him because Harper and the Conservatives are going to rip him apart and destroy him.
- Provincially I think Andrea Horwarth of the NDP is ahead in Ontario. People don't like the Tim Hudak Conservatives.
As for Justin Trudeau, of course this resumé is thinner than his father's. His father was a Constitutional Law Professor and Minister of Justice.
But he is very smart in other ways and very good at connecting with voters. And if he can inspire the type of enthusiasm that Pierre Trudeau did, or that Barack Obama and Jack Layton did, he can win.
- McGuinty resigned so he could play Anthony Perkins in that Hitchcock movie.
- R107, Justin is a well-known quantity in Canada and is much more popular than Ignatieff or Dion were. I think he will be a harder target for the Conservatives.
- They don't really like Trudeaus in Quebec.
This was the mistake they made when they picked Dion. They thought because French was his first language that he would be popular in Quebec. They hated him and saw him as a traitor and was portrayed in cartoons as a rat. I could not believe they chose him as leader. And in the rest of Canada, he had too heavy an accent and no one could understand him.
Harper will attack Justin as a lightweight with no experience.
Our best hope is with Muclair.
- I hope you're right about Hudak, R108. Living out west in 'freeperland', I hope to hell ON at least holds onto its sensibilities.
- Mulcair is a vile man. I just can't support him.
And Trudeau is in 2nd place already in Quebec in the Nanos poll above. He will do better there than some people think.
- What makes Mulcair a "vile man"? Have you been reading rightwing propaganda dished out by Maclean's magazine? Harper is the "vile man" and politics is full of vile people. They need someone aggressive to go after him. Trudeau's puppy dog act will not work against Harper, the rabid pit bull.
- A cat or a hamster would be in second place in Quebec. They hate Harper. The point is - he is not in first place. Quebec support is needed to defeat Harper.
- Ontario support is needed to defeat Harper - it's the biggest province. And Justin is leading there.
- Ontario can't even be counted to vote Liberal. They voted 73 Conservatives in, 22 NDP, 11 Liberal in the last election. They should not pick someone that will "win" in Ontario, when they are really going to vote for Harper. All they will have is ANOTHER losing Candidate, and another election to Harper. We have to support the leader and party that will win in Quebec - Mulcair and the NDP.
- It's not as simple as that. Quebec had virtually no clout in the last election. Harper was able to get a Majority without Quebec, regardless of the fact that it voted mainly NDP.
So if the Liberals can be first in Ontario, 2nd in Quebec, and competitive in the Maritimes, with a few in Western Canada, that's what's important.
Remember also that no one with a beard has been elected Prime Minister in 100 years.
- Ontario is going to vote for Harper, so it is a waste to pick someone that will hypothetically "win" there - and lose in Quebec.
Trudeau looks like a kid, and Harper will destroy him the way he destroyed Ignatieff - before even the election is called.
The NDP was never official opposition before Jack, so forget about what happened 100 years ago. Different times require different methods. Maybe this time the method is a guy with a beard.
- Harper may not even be around by the time of the next election.
And he is not going to destroy Justin.
The Bloc Quebecois and NDP tried that in Quebec and they failed - TWICE.
- Liberals & NDP should form a coalition or Harper will reign forever and Canada will be completely ruined.
Harper's party is a combination of Reform and Conservative. It's not the old Conservative Party. They got together to get the numbers to win.
That is what the NDP and Liberals should be doing instead of thinking of their own egos.
- He is not going to destroy Justin? Who has very little experience, and who is young?
He destroyed Ignatieff before the election was even called with all of those ads attacking him - that brainwashed people.
Yes, Trudeau got elected in a riding, but leadership is another story. Harper will attack him, that is for sure.
- R122, Ignatieff was unknown and not liked. He had spent half of his life outside of Canada and was very easy to attack as being American, a foreigner, just visiting etc.
Opponents are easiest to attack when they are undefined and disliked. Justin will have vulnerabilities just like any other leader, but he has grown up in the public eye and is well known to Canadians. It will be much harder to attack him as being un-Canadian the way it was with Ignatieff.
That's all I'm saying.
- [quote] Harper may not even be around by the time of the next election.
He has already said he is planning to run in the next election.
I can see the Conservative machine start to play up his inexperience and being elitist.
They already destroyed two Liberal leaders. They will go for three.
- Someone here seems awfully determined to get out the idea that Harper will destroy Trudeau.
- It really really scares me after seeing it happen TWICE!
- They will find a way to attack Justin. Here's some: he's too young, too inexperienced, not serious enough, does not know about the economy, and they will tie him with Pierre Trudeau in a bad way which will hurt him in the West and in Quebec. Yes, some people like him - but will it be enough after all of the attacks that will come. People had high hopes for Ignatieff in the beginning - in fact, they thought he was going to be the new Trudeau.
- The Conservative Party attacks everyone. Heck, they got elected on a platform of attacking Gay Canadians.
Pity in the face of mean bigots, is Justins biggest ally. It worked for Gandhi, it will work for Justin.
- R127, Ignatieff was no Trudeau. It was only his supporters that thought that. He had nothing in common with him.
Justin is much more loved than Igniatieff.
Remember also why Ignatieff was vulnerable - he was an elite, out of touch Professor who had spent more time outside of Canada than in it. People considered him more American than Canadian because of all the years he spent at Harvard.
That won't be the case with Justin.
- Justin Trudeau comes from wealth, but a hippy like wealth.
Igganieff comes from Ivy League arrogance - the folks who run Wall Street today.
Also, Justin comes from Quebec and Quebec has been the North American leader in Gay Equality and Worker Rights for the last 40 plus years.
- Justin Trudeau attracts Liberal supporters in Winnipeg
- Justin is so pretty. Where does he get his looks from?
- Probably from his mother, R132. She was gorgeous when she was younger (and still is attractive today).
Justin's father dated a lot of famous women, including Barbra Streisand & Margot Kidder.
Here's a photo of Justin's mother 40 years ago.
- [quote]Justin Trudeau comes from wealth, but a hippy like wealth.
Which means he comes from wealth. Don't try to manipulate that, freak.
- There's nothing wrong with coming from wealth as long as you are on the side of the people (eg. FDR).
- [quote]Justin Trudeau Poll Results Show He Stacks Up Well On Key Issues
- I have no doubt Justin can get elected PM, but what will he do with the power?, is the real question. Many think he will just be a proxy for the old Liberal Guard, of which not all were friends of the gay community. The Liberals tend to throw fish in both directions, even to the gay communities enemies.
So many people want the Harper Conservative era to end so desperately.
- R137, there was a socially conservative wing of the Liberals, yes, just like there has always been a Blue Dog section in the Democratic Party.
But considering that it is the Liberals who de-criminalized homosexuality and passed gay marriage, I'd say their record is pretty good.
And in particular, considering that it was Justin's own father that de-criminalized homosexuality in Canada and considering that Justin is in the Montreal Gay Pride Parade every year, I'd say his family's record is pretty good.
Btw, most of the socially conservative Liberals were defeated in recent elections and are gone now. Most of those Liberals were in rural Ontario seats that have gone Conservative.
- Intriguing poll out of Quebec this morning by CROP, one of Quebec's top pollsters. The Liberals have shot into the lead because of Justin Trudeau!
[quote]Sondage CROP: un «effet Justin» au Québec
[quote]English translation: CROP: The "Justin effect" in Quebec
Liberals - 36%
NDP - 30%
BQ - 19%
Conservatives - 11%
25 octobre 2012
(Québec) Sur la scène fédérale, le dernier coup de sonde de CROP montre un «effet Justin Trudeau» très clair qui permettrait au Parti libéral du Canada (PLC) de gagner le Québec. Cette remontée significative nuirait un peu à tous les partis, mais particulièrement au Nouveau Parti démocratique (NPD), qui perdrait ainsi la faveur des électeurs à la recherche de la nouveauté et du changement.
Selon les intentions de vote exprimées par les électeurs sondés par CROP, Justin Trudeau sortirait le PLC de l'abîme qu'il a atteint aux dernières élections fédérales. À 36 %, il arriverait premier au Québec, devant le NPD (30 %), le Bloc québécois (19 %) et le Parti conservateur (11 %).
Ce gain de 16 % «ferait mal à un peu tout le monde, mais particulièrement au NPD», qui perdrait huit points», affirme le vice-président de CROP, Youri Rivest. «Le NPD s'est fait élire sur une promesse de changement, de nouveauté, mais l'arrivée de M. Trudeau fait vieillir le NPD parce qu'il amène une nouvelle proposition de changement.»
Le sondeur remarque le même phénomène lorsqu'on demande qui ferait le meilleur premier ministre. Sans Justin Trudeau, les sondés préfèrent le chef néo-démocrate dans une proportion de 33 %. En considérant M. Trudeau comme chef, il obtient la faveur de 25 % des sondés, alors que le néo-démocrate baisse à 29 %.
- Who are the 11 percent of Quebeckers voting conservative? Must be the new immigrants.
- Quebec has a conservative minority of voters, just like New York and California do.
There are always a few regions and districts that are conservative even within a predominantly liberal province or state.
- O fuck, that boy is a cutiepie. O Canada, please get a Liberal government again. We wish to look up to your quasi-Europeaness once more and to receive fewer of your pop-star exports.
- The next government will be a Liberal Minority. Conservatives, the leader of the opposition.
- Here's a good graph of today's CROP poll for Quebec:
- The earliest the next election can be though is 2015, right? I'm not clear on Canadian politics.
- That's the supposed date of the next election, R145, but Harper has broken the fixed election date law in the past.
- 2015 is 3 years away.
By this time, most of Canada's wealth will be in the hands of a few Billionaires, The Supreme Court will be loaded with anti-gay/anti-abortion fanatics, China will have bought the majority of Canada's natural resources and Canada will have a new squadron of F35 (at $200M each) fighter jets, which are permanently grounded for technical reasons.
- LOL r147. I think civil servants are starting to wake up on the China issue. They will quietly manipulate bidding to ease out Chinese influence.
Also, the tech minerals are not found in abundance here. That's why China is heavily involved in Africa.
Most of our military equipment and materiel are frequently out of commission for technical reasons, and have been for years; nothing new there.
I'm ambivalent about a centre/left coalition, but if it becomes inevitable, I want David Miller to lead it.
- R147 is correct and knows what is going on in Canada.
- David Miller is a loser that would ensure that Harper would remain in power.
- Receipts, 150, or are you just a Freeper Troll?
- R151, maybe you're the Freeper who wants to ensure the reelection of Harper.
Here's your receipt: David Miller was such a loser that he usered in that rightwing clown. Another receipt: No one knows who he is in the rest of the country. Or cares. They would certainly not vote for him.
R150, who wants Harper OUT, asap
- [quote]‘Trudeau Effect’: With Justin as leader Liberals would win majority government, poll finds
Oct 30, 2012
With Justin Trudeau at the helm, the Liberals could instantly bounce from political ignominy to a majority government if an election were held tomorrow, according to new Forum Research poll commissioned by the National Post.
“The ‘Trudeau Effect’ has proven itself as a real phenomenon, and it appears to be growing, not going away,” said Forum Research president Lorne Bozinoff.
In an election tomorrow, the Liberal party would capture a slim majority of 160 seats, pushing the Conservatives into Official Opposition with 104 seats and leaving the NDP in a distant third place with 42.
By contrast, if the Liberals entered an election with current leader Bob Rae in charge, they would remain in third place with only 76 seats.
“Interestingly, the Bloc Québécois take more seats if Justin Trudeau is NOT leader [eight seats] than they do if he is [one seat],” noted Forum research.
The poll, conducted on Oct. 27, surveyed 1,735 randomly selected residents of Canada aged 18 or older. The results are considered accurate plus or minus 2%, 19 times out of 20.
Although Mr. Trudeau has been touted as the man who could mend Liberal relations with the West — due to his brief stint as a Vancouver secondary schoolteacher — the Prairies and British Columbia would remain the domain of the Tories and the NDP, according to the Forum poll, with the Liberals consolidating their historical base in Ontario, Quebec and Atlantic Canada.
Even before Mr. Trudeau had officially announced his candidacy in the April leadership vote, he had been buoyed by stunningly optimistic electoral forecasts.
- [quote]Poll suggests honeymoon is over for the NDP as support shifts to Liberals
Nov 15, 2012
OTTAWA — The honeymoon appears to be over for NDP leader Thomas Mulcair, with Canadians shifting some support to the man creating a lot of buzz on Parliament Hill: Justin Trudeau.
If a federal election were held now, the federal NDP would garner 30 per cent of the popular vote, an eight-percentage-point drop from June and the biggest decline since the summer for any party, according to an exclusive poll conducted by Ipsos Reid for Postmedia News and Global Television.
That support appears to have shifted to the Liberals, the poll found. Support for the Grits is up eight points since June, to 26 per cent of the popular vote.
- Trudeau will get in in 2015, BUT, will he actually be able to undo years of Harpers damage?
- How do you know Trudeau will get in, R155? I wish him well, but there's no guarantee of him beating Harper yet.
- If the anti-gay Evangelical PM, Stephen Harper is re-elected in 2015, just change the name of Canada to Texas. Canada is over.
- R157, you being a drama queen doesn't help matters
- Trudeaumania getting stronger
[quote]Support for NDP down eight percentage points as Liberals gain ground, new poll reveals
- Trudeau already beats Harper in personal popularity. What the Liberals have to do next, is "Lubricate" the many right wing crazies in the Conservative party to speak out publicly and just stand back while Canada picks Trudeau. Trudeau doesn't really have to do anything else to become PM.
Mulclair doesn't exist, nor does the NDP. Only the Jack Layton Party ever existed.
- The NDP and Mulcair are still polling well, R160. They aren't out of it yet.
- Post some pics of Justin. Someone, please. Yummers!
- As usual R162, the fear of Harpers MPs will cause NDP voters to vote Liberal, providing the Liberals can again, reanimate that fear.
Face it, the voters have always been afraid of many Reform/Conservatives, it was just the extreme level of incompetence coming from the Liberals in picking terrible leaders, which put the Harper and Co in office. Not anything the Conservatives actually did right.
- Although the majority of Canadians are on the left, we shouldn't forget that a third of them are Conservative. The Conservatives always got a certain section of the electorate, particularly out West, even when they were out of office.
- But the Conservatives in Canada are concentrated in Alberta and Suburban BC, so their vote is concentrated in these ridings, which is why they can never form a national government on their base. Albertians vote 97% for Harper and Mississauga votes 57% Liberal, 31% Conservative and 14% for the NDP. Liberals win another majority.
It was the suburban GTA in Ontario, which gave Harper his majority. The Conservative West is politically inert.
- For R162 - Justin in a kayak.
- With a rainbow flag.
- His twink days...
- There is a lot of untapped Entertainment Industry power Justin can rally.
Mulclair, unlike Jack Layton, doesn't seem to have any of the showbiz crowd in his camp.
The Conservatives could barely get Margret and her Tuba Clowns to play for the Royal visit last year. The local right wing Ottawa media even apologized to the Royals for making them sit through the Conservative Party produced show.
- Here's one, R162.
Justin is 6'2, btw:
- And here:
- Partial shirtless pic from boxing match:
- [quote]Justin Trudeau’s campaign looks to Obama’s team for lessons in winning
- Trudeaus campaign is saying this because it is public positioning, aligning themselves with Obama, not because they need the help.
Harper is easy pickings. The Liberal Party was awash in old school incompetence (Iggnatief, Rae, Copps, Kennedy, Dion) and lost against scary Steve because of this.
A balloon with a happy face painted on it, could have beaten the Liberal Party of the last 6 years.
- I live in Toronto and the only area where I saw a large number of Liberal signs on lawns during the last election cycle was Rosedale. That tells you everything you need to know about the appeal of Liberals. When a Liberal canvasser showed up at my door, I told him that I wasn't interested. He asked me: "Well, are you going to vote for Conservatives?" "No, NDP, but thanks for asking", after which I shut the door. This little interchange also sums up what they stand for: we offer you nothing in particular but at least we are not Conservatives.
- R177, it was people voting NDP in the Toronto area in the last election that split the vote and caused the Conservative Majority
- Please post pics of Justin's bare feets. Thank you.
- Conservatives are going nowhere. Canada's liberal days are done. The American Neocons have links to the country now.
- Are you the bare feets troll, R179?
- The Conservatives are the old GW Bush party - Canadian version. Everyone knows the strong personal link between Harper and Bush. The USA lead the pack in getting rid of these types in 2008. Canada as usual, is slow to catch on, but always does eventually.
The problem is not the Conservatives, it is Mulclair. I think the NDP will implode without any help in 2015, but they should get lots of Liberal help anyways.
Martha Finley will force Justin to become more than a facade.
- NDP and Libs should marry their parties.
- [quote]I think the NDP will implode without any help in 2015, but they should get lots of Liberal help anyways.
What do you mean?
- The Liberal party needs to frame the NDP as a Jack Layton fluke vote, which it is. Not a real party capable of governing Canada. The NDP will fail to prove they are a real party anyways, but the Liberals need to frame it to maximize the effect.
The Liberals also need to encourage the right wing crazies to start publicly screaming in the Conservative party.
A 1 - 2 punch to getting a Liberal majority in 2015.
- R185, once you explain the platform of the Liberal Party TODAY (and not some nonsense bullshit of what the party was about under Pierre Trudeau), maybe I could take what you say seriously.
- The Liberal Party needs a strong policy platform, which is not something they have done in a long time. No question.
On a good note, the National Post (The Free Republic of Canada, CTV being more like the FoxNews of Canada) is already trivializing the Liberals, so the right wingers are starting to get nervous and that can only be a good thing.
Also Obama has given the Conservatives a cold shoulder for the last 4 years and Harper is now bitching about it. Hopefully Obama won't give in. If Canada elects the Canadian equivalent of the US Republican party, then the Democrats rightfully can distance themselves from Canada until Canadian voters smarten up.
- Justin with his boxing trainer:
- [quote]Tories target Trudeau as poll suggests his popularity keeps growing
- I don't like calling them Tories, because in actual fact, they are the extreme right wing Reform party (the Canadian equivalent of the US Tea Party) who took over the Tory party by force, renaming it in the process (dropping the word "Progressive" which is revealing....)
- For the Libs to gain power they first need the NDP to return to their traditional support, 15%
Next somebody or some group needs to set up a website to go riding by riding, to break down which party all progressives should vote for. Some riding's might be liberal, some NDP, some even Green.
Progressives are the majority in Canada, not Conservatives.
It is already happening in the Calgary Center bye-election with the website below.
Now we have to set it up in every riding,so voters can vote strategically.
- The only way to get Canadians to vote strategically is to scare the crap out of them.
Back to Scary Steve Marketing 101.
- I met Justin earlier this week. What a hunk. Very engaging and charismatic in person. And tall (over 6 feet). He had on tight jeans. Unf.