I rarely hear about this country. What is the country like? It seems like a lovely place to live in.
It looks lovely indeed- too bad it is inhabited by tight fisted, rude, fat drunk bastards that stink of piss.
That's where Craig Ferguson is from.
Scotland is wonderful precisely because you're not there. Stay away.
BUT if you do visit, be aware that the Highlanders are a strange type who will appear pleasant but reserved, but if you take on airs they'll cut your tires and sugar your tank. They hate anyone who seems to be doing better than their poor lot. They all have false teeth from 40 on because they like it that way. They are weirdly prudish with their Presbyterianism. And drugs are a real problem since better roads have come through.
I love it - terrible weather, horrid midges, high-priced food, poverty and great scenery.
But do stay away. You'll spoil it.
There's simply no reason for Scotland.
I love it!
I wish I could tell you, but the time I was there I was too drunk to remember any of it.
I've always wanted to visit. Somebody said that Loch Ness is surrounded by a lot of development. How disappointing.
It's a miserable/beautiful place, but the Scots have a lot of fire in their belly which I love. And if they leave the UK (please let this happen!) it's likely to become a socialist paradise in opposition to the fascist shithole England is turning into.
If I can't get the France thing going I might end up moving there to escape the Tory Tide of Shite.
[quote]tight fisted, rude, fat drunk bastards that stink of piss.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
AYB, they'll hate you darling. You're a Sassinak.
R10 I know, I have a Scottish drinking buddy (gay but ye wouldnae know it) who sounds just like Rab C Nesbitt (one of my heroes) who calls me that.
But England is finished- buried under a tide of dancing celebrities, flag-waving; american junk food; Sky TV; and, well, Thatcherism.
Don't know what all this hate is! I love Scotland! It's beautiful and has so much history. Went to the Isle of Lewis, which is amazing by itself. Also love Edinburgh and its castle. Really, a great place!
I lived in Aberdeen for a while for work. I enjoyed it but I'm not rushing to go back. DL fave Annie Lennox is from there and she couldn't wait to escape. I think she still trashes the place when asked about all these years later.
I have lots of family in Stirling and around Edinburgh. I enjoy my visits. Glasgow is good for rowdy fun, too.
The last time I was at Loch Ness (early 90s) there was no major development that I noticed. The ruins of the castle are there, though. Along with the tourists.
Ayb, I left England aged 22 and currently reside across the Irish sea. I lived in Greece and Italy before here. Every place has its downsides. Maybe you need to move elsewhere in England. I assume you are in the south east. In my three years living in that neck of the woods it often felt like another country.
Scotland is dour in many parts. If you are going there stay to the East side and away from Glasgow.
Scotland is a fun visit, but to live there is to feel trapped in a Calvinist straight jacket.
Most depressing as the women, who stand there tapping their feet, glare as their drunken husbands shuffle to the car to be driven home and put to bed.
Sean Connery, Andy Murray, Craig Ferguson, Ewan McGregor et al. So how bad is that?
Funny how this thread co=exists along with the shit holes of Europe thread. Coincidence?
I know they're making a mint on rich American kids who weren't smart enough to get into the Ivy League and so they attend St. Andrews to seem interesting.
The Country that created Mitt Romney, Ann Coulter and James Dobson criticizing the Scotts....oh that's rich!
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My boss here in America is from the Highlands. Much of the time he's perfectly nice, then out of nowhere come crazy mood swings and a nasty temper. He's also terribly tight-fisted.
Our customers love him though, because they don't see that side of him. They just know him as "that guy with the cool accent."
Cueing the incessantly communicative Ci*ran in 3... 2...
Prince Philip marvels that the Scots can sober up long enough to obtain driving licenses.
That superannuated Queen's Consort is such a saucy monkey!
Scotland = Uncut Gingers Yum!
My grandfather was a Scot. Can I get a passport and dual citizenship?
Beautiful country, with extremely friendly locals and handsome men. One severe drawback is the weather -- it is rare to have a day without a rainfall and it often gray all day.
[quote] it is rare to have a day without a rainfall and it often gray all day.
Not so much these days. Weather has changed all over Britain. It's like calling London 'Foggy London Town'.
It's a very beautiful country. They don't call it Bonny Scotland for nothing.
I'd consider living in Edinburgh myself and leaving London. I can't warm to Glasgow, however as much they promote it as an arts centre & all that jive.
It always seems to breath peace and make one forget the world and its sad turmoils.
My tits will turn to ice cubes. I won't be going topless there.
r29 the reason you can't "warm to Glasgow" is probably why you should move to Edinburgh which is full of plastic Jocks and pretentious English twats who feel they will somehow attain more importance if they dwell in Auld Reekie.
Scotland has breathtakingly beautiful scenery. A plethora of funny, helpful and generous warm-hearted people and great shops, restaurants and museums etc.
However: the weather is rubbish most of the time; some Scots are dour (pronounced Doo-er) and downright nasty to tourists; 17.5% sales tax!
What are Perth and Crieff like?
In the winter it gets dark at around 3 p.m.
John Barrowman is Scottish.
Two of my favorite people are from Scotland, but Margaret Cho said that when she performed that even SHE was shocked by how much public drunkenness there was... and how much vomit there was on the sidewalks!
Nothing like Scottish cock. Those guys are hung thick.
I think most people in America's southern Appalachian mountains trace their ancestry to Scotland. That's where they get their fiery nature, I suppose. You find lots of MacDonalds, Campbells, Smiths, Browns, Scotts, Robertsons, Stewarts and other popular Scottish names there.
[quote]But England is finished- buried under a tide of dancing celebrities, flag-waving; american junk food; Sky TV; and, well, Thatcherism.
And the Third World, who have taken up residence.
Scotland has the highest suicide rate in the UK, according to figures from the Office for National Statistics.
From 1991 to 2004 the suicide rate among men was 50% higher in Scotland than the rest of the UK, while the rate for women was double that of elsewhere.
Between 2000 and 2006 the suicide rate in Scotland was 79% higher than in England, while for young Scots aged 15-44, it was twice as high.
Who is more fiery, the Scots or the Irish?
I know what "fiery" is, and I don't like it. It means repressed with bouts of explosive rage and usually alcoholic.
[quote]And if they leave the UK (please let this happen!) it's likely to become a socialist paradise
Yes it will be socialist, but cut off from the generous teat of Westminster, it will also be beggared. Breaking the Union is only the dream for morons.
[quote] in opposition to the fascist shithole England is turning into. If I can't get the France thing going I might end up moving there to escape the Tory Tide of Shite.
Of course, darling. Because the Blair and Brown Labor govts which achieved SO much for The People, didn't they? Do remind us of all the highlights. Of course nothing quite tops Brown selling 60% of the UK's gold reserves - let's repeat that again - 60 PERCENT - at $275 an ounce.
Screwed stupid like a meth head on a binge weekend, and yet AYB crawls back cheering for more?
His bottomless appetite for suffering is amazing.
Well, Labour was bad but the Tories are bad, too.
Is England really terrible? I was considering moving there.
I've visited several times and really enjoyed Glasgow (except the time a terrorist bombed the airport while we were waiting to fly to the Outer Hebrides). Glasgow has some great museums and architectural icons. Hotel du Vin is a first rate hotel. Edinburgh was nice. Haven't spent as much time there. I love Skye and the Outer Hebrides - especially Harris and Lewis - spent a magical Christmas there once in a restored Blackhouse. The train from Inverness to Skye is one of the most scenic in the world. I believe it is called the Kyle line. The Floddingarry Hotel on Skye is a beautiful country hotel. The scenery is incredible and I found the people to be very kind.
r34, i'm from Perth, its a very beautiful small city, quite insular. Its very much like a southern college town, but without the university. It has beautiful parks bordering a river and a prison (the north and south inch) and a great art deco cinema. Zero gay nightlife though, alas.
"We boast! Then we cower!"
Margaret Cho was right, one fun activity for a Sunday walk is dodging all the puddles of vomit.
And the occasional puddle of blood from a recent stabbing. Ok, I've only seen that once, but knife fights are a pub sporting tradition along with darts and snooker.
Don't forget to try the deep fried Mars Bars in batter when you're there.
[R42] - funny you should ask that! In Glasgow I asked a bartender at a gay joint what his Chinese character tattoo meant, and he replied, "Fire - cuz I'm a fiery guy!"
Edinburgh has a nice gay scene, conveniently centered on upper Leith Walk near Gayfield Square.
I find the accent incredibly annoying.
homophobia among the young was a major problem a few years ago. boys and girls alike would assault gay couples in the street. it was the worst place to be gay in the uk.
The education system is awful.
The local government there was so corrupt and so petty that it cost Scotland the Wizarding World of Harry Potter amusement park to the USA.
The life expectancy is the worst in the UK. They routinely fry their junkfood.
I am Scottish and Czech. Gloomy and gloomy. Of course, I don't need to add that I've fought suicidal obsession, and alcoholism my entire life. When not so inclined, I'm actually tremendously funny. What a cliche, huh?
Corrupt and petty, R61, maybe, but The Wizarding World of Harry Potter was always planned to be part of the Universal Theme Parks complex in Florida.
Oh, but that accent sets my nether regions a flame.!
R44, oh please! R8 is right, and your drivel about Blair and Brown just proves his point. Whichever way you slice it, Blair's Labour was nothing but pure unadulterated Thatcherism with a barely visible fig leaf of social conscience. Blair effectively killed Labour and converted it into Thatcher central. R8's point stands, as far as I can see.
[quote]Blair's Labour was nothing but pure unadulterated Thatcherism with a barely visible fig leaf of social conscience. Blair effectively killed Labour and converted it into Thatcher central.
Thatcher was like Reagan and Clinton was like Blair...
The wooly Highland cattle are a trip...
Labour is horrible. I prefer a c section
I was just there a few months ago. Even with the rain, it was a beautiful country.
There isn't much development along Loch Ness at all. Just the occasional pub/hotel. Very scenic!
i think a lot of you have never been in scotland for long. i lived there for 5 years attending uni and i can say edinburgh is a lovely town. cultural, tight-knit and very-open minded, plus the people are way friendlier up north than down south.
a lot of what people have been posting are gross stereotypes.
It's like a less good Ireland.
Edinburgh's fantastic. Shame about the cold and the rain.
wow never have read so much drivel, yuo cant generalise about any country, you will reap what you sow in any country you visit so come along and enjoy scotland its a great place
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I imagine it is filled with burly dudes in kilts eating scones and shortbread.
How Cockneys say it.
I loved buying minced lamb and seeing on the label "Reared in the Highlands"
Where men are men and sheep are nervous.
The Island of Skye is stunningly beautiful, surreal and otherworldly. Some places there resemble what you'd imagine an alien world to look like.
But Scottish independence makes only slightly more sense than the idea of Quebec independence.
R81 must have no familiarity with Scottish history. Scotland has a strong claim to independence, having been an independent kingdom for centuries before the 1707 Act of Union.
I've only visited Edinburgh and a few towns and countryside within a few hours' driving distance, but I absolutely loved everything about it...beautiful scenery, historic buildings, friendly people, good food.
There should be a DL Scotia summit in auld reekie's very own gay vortex, CC Blooms...
Thanks for the information about Skye, R81. You make it sound very interesting. How is it surreal and otherworldly? I really want to go there because of what you've said, please give more details(or anyone else who's been there).
My ancestors were from Skye ... until the evil English kicked them out - boo!
My ancestors are from Helmsdale, north of Inverness. I've never been there.
I would found my castle on the boggy moors.
My ancestors were from Tolsta, a small town near Stornoway, on Isle of Lewis
My ancestors came from Kirriemuir, Paisley, and Perth.
My partner is Scottish, from outside Glasgow. I much prefer Glasgow to Edinburgh, personally.
I wonder if Margaret Chow was there during the Festival, or at some other random time. Because it's most likely she was there for it, and Edinburgh during EFF is really not comparable to Edinburgh at any other time. The entire city is basically taken over.
[R94] - absolutely! Edinburgh seems "prissy" in comparison.
Glasgow is far more of a down-to-earth city. The locals are immediately gregarious, friendly and not prone to the cliquey off-hand type of behaviour which is common in Edinburgh. Some great pubs in the gay quarter as well, though the mainstay called the polo lounge has suffered from hen-party influx in recent years, along with the resultant drunken straight guys following on.
I was in Edinburgh in June and instantly fell in love with it. The seafood and beef were excellent. I loved haggis, but was neutral on blood sausage. The city itself is beautiful (in my opinion) and extremely walkable, but I didn't venture out to the suburbs. And yes, HOTTIES GALORE.
I have ancestors from the west of Scotland (Argyll and Galloway) who emigrated to New York from Glasgow in the early 1800s. From there, they headed west, some stopping west of the Mississippi to farm, others venturing farther out on the wagon trains. That latter branch disappeared from the census records, so I have no idea what became of them.
Bengali in Platforms
Plaid, plaid everywhere
the most beautiful man I've ever known (or ever seen, period) was a Scot - tall, sandy-blond hair, blue eyes, lean, muscular, hairy - should have been a model but he was a plumber
[quote] I know they're making a mint on rich American kids who weren't smart enough to get into the Ivy League and so they attend St. Andrews to seem interesting.
DL favorite Blair Hornstine went there after Harvard kicked her chronically fatigued ass off the incoming freshman roster for plagiarism.
Scotland's weather is like the pacific northwest without the trees.
The books of Peter May (BLACK HOUSE and LEWIS MAN) take place on the Isle of Lewis in the Hebrides. If anyone wanted to know what that part of Scotland is like, even though they are murder mysteries, these books tell you exactly!
Bonnie banks and bonnie braes all over the place. At least the sun shines bright on Loch Lomond.
Glasgow is Fabulous! Incredible architecture on St.Vincent Street and around George Square.
Virtually everyone who goes to Edinburgh falls in love with it.
Take comments on Data Lounge with a grain of salt. You could ask about Heaven here and every reply would try to convince you it was the nastiest, most dangerous, most horrible place imaginable.
Americans, who live in one big Jesus and Guns Walmart store, complaining about Scotland.
Another vote for Skye and the Flodigarry house hotel- gorgeous,remote and otherwordly. Surprisingly good food.
Will a single American otter of 36 years have a fun time alone in Glasgow for a long weekend in July or are there better/more fun places to go in the UK (besides London, Manchester or Newcastle)?
What about Scottish bands and singers? The most famous of them are:
BELLE AND SEBASTIAN
K T Tunstall
R106 has nailed it - BEWARE - the weather is horrible and the barren hills are very depressing.
Ever seen Trainspotting OP?
Cold, horrible climate so therefore depressing. It's great apart from that though!
Actually cold isn't the problem. Rain. Lots of rain. So if you like rain in the middle of July then Scotland is the place for you!
[quote]Rain. Lots of rain. So if you like rain in the middle of July then Scotland is the place for you!
I never minded when I was there.
Just follow my lead.
Even we natives live in terror of them...
As an Englishman, my experience of the Scots is that they all seem to have a massive chip on their shoulder about pretty much everything,constantly bemoaning imagined slights to their country (often from the time of Edward I, when most English people have moved on and don't care). Most of them are thoroughly anglophobic and hate anyone who has a home counties accent. I think their chief export is not whiskey but whining.
They're not all like that of course, and I have some delightful Scottish friends (who live in london), my advice, if you want to live in Scotland, don't be English (or posh in anyway).
Not that you can generalise with such a thing but in my experience it's the other way round r121.
I see more vitriolic rabid hatred from the English for Scots than the other way round with the chip on their shoulder meme (obviously that would be there anyway). The people you speak of are a minority. There would be no tourist industry at all if it were that bad.
Nonetheless, I might like the SNP somewhat if they tried to distance themselves from that mentality, but that's who they're pandering to.
There are public information adverts about racism in Scotland, but it would be nice if they addressed anti-ENGLISH racism. Braveheart did not help at all. I have a few English friends who live here and I don't think they've seen any problems.. unless they're near the rough crowd.
R121 I think we can all see where the chip is residing and it isn't anywhere north of Potters Bar.
There is an astounding level of ignorance on this thread, and that's saying something considering it's DL.
To use the same stereotypes as this thread, all Americans are like Jed Clampett but a lot fatter, all English wear bowler hats and play cricket while sipping tea and complaining about the weather, all Australians are sunburned alcoholics with a kangaroo fetish, all French are unwashed, garlic-smelling cowards who's only war wounds were when they dropped their rifles on their feet while running away.
I'd guess most of those commenting here don't have passports.
English people say "whingeing" not "whining."
I'm calling you out, American dude posing as English person.
haha, no, I only changed it to whining because the spell check wouldn't accept whingeing and it was annoying me (and that is sadly the truth).
I am as English as tea and the queen (neither of which are English in the slightest)
[quote]The Highlanders are a strange type.. and are weirdly prudish with their Presbyterianism.
It's one of the most beautiful countries I have ever visited. Biggest arts festival in the world happens in Edinburgh and it is one of the best experiences I've ever had. Rosslyn Chapel alone is worth the visit, incredibly beautiful but atmospheric and downright spooky at the same time. There's also a place that is actually called Castle Gloom. Real name, real castle, not a made-up theme park.
Edinburgh is a world heritage site and the gay scene is healthy, open, out and proud.