- Judy was very angry when Mickey Rooney had an affair with Lana.
- Micky Rooney and Lana? Gads, what was his secret? He was married to Eva Gardner briefly too...he's such an odd partner for either of those two bombshells.
- Ava, not Eva you moron.
Also R2, being the number one box office star in the world during the peak years of Hollywood may have had something to do with his ability to attract sexy actresses.
- Judy was devastated when Lana eloped with bandleader Artie Shaw. Shaw is a very interesting character in his own right. And his music is great.
- I think Lana took away the guys that Judy wanted. I wouldn't think that Judy liked Lana, but had to tolerate her.
- Actually they were friends. The two used to go nightclubbing together in the late 30s and early 40s. In the early 50's they were next door neighbors and often spent afternoons together while Liza and Cheryl played. Judy did have an inferior complex when it came to Lana's looks, though Judy never consider Lana a great intellect, though a nice woman. And Lana always spoke highly of Judy's talent.
- I believe r6 more than r5.
- Judy was devastated when Lana eloped with bandleader Artie Shaw. Shaw is a fascinating character himself, and his music is great.
- R3 is ugly on the inside too
- They also both shared Tyrone Power though neither won him.
- Lana's real name was Judy but Judy's real name was Frances.
- R 6 is right - they were friends, for years. And they both admired each other. Supposedly, when making "Ziegfeld Girl", Judy finished singing a number, and walked by Lana. As she passed , Lana said to Hedy Lamar 'Oh, what must it be like to have that much talent ?'. Later on , Lana walked out , in a gorgeous gown, and Judy whispered to someone ' What must it b like to be that beautiful ?'. Lana was awed by Judy's talent, Judy was floored by Lana's beauty.
- I wonder if Liza and Cheryl are still in touch. Talk about the only two people in the world who could really understand each other!
- I wouldn't let that dyke come near me with a 12-inch knife...
- Judy felt like a little troll amidst all of Louis B. Mayer's stable of beauties. It led to the weight fluctuations and pill addictions that eventually killed her.
- The only one of Judy's films from her MGM years that Lana might also have been considered for would be The Clock, though I imagine LB Mayer would have thought Lana's sexiness would be wasted in that one, too.
Did Judy make any other non-musicals at MGM? I think she even sang in the Andy Hardy films she appeared in. I'm probably forgetting something.
- R2/R9 should realize no one is fooled by an illiterate trying to cover her tracks by stomping her hooves and snorting drivel.
- They got along fine. The only one of Judy's classmates I ever heard her refer disparagingly to was Elizabeth Taylor, whom Judy said was 'not very nice.'
- MGM gave Judy such a complex about her appearance, poor thing, when she clearly was the greatest natural talent they ever had - that any movie studio ever had. I thought that she was cute. But they gave her teeth caps, a temporary putty nose, and forced her to wear a corset to lengthen her waist.
Lana, while maybe conventionally prettier than Judy, was far from perfect. She had a short neck, a thick torso and basically no hips. She was just more photogenic than Judy.
- Judy liked Lana but thought being in a room with her was like being in a room with a beautiful lamp.
- In r15's photo, Lana's neck looks no shorter than goddess Hedy Lamarr's and actually a bit longer than super-talented JUdy's.
Can't see her non-existent hips there, however.
Judy may not have liked Elizabeth Taylor but she had long graduated from MGM's Little Red Schoolhouse by the time Elizabeth enrolled there. They were not classmates. Or, if she said they were, it was in one of those drunken and unreliable Jack Paar interviews.
- Mother hated that tramp Lana
- THE HARVEY GIRLS was originally developed at MGM as a Lana vehicle - when Arthur Freed took over the production and added songs, it became a vehicle for Judy.
And they appeared together in two films - not only ZIEGFELD GIRL, but in the best of the Andy Hardy pictures, LOVE FINDS ANDY HARDY.
- Is that really you, Hugh Fordin? OMG, if so then this thread begins and ends with you. You know more than John Fricke!
- Saw Liza years ago, at the Greek Theater, in LA. Was backstage, and both Lana, and Cheryl, came out of Liza's dressing , and got big hugs from her . Met Cheryl (and Josh, her spouse) years later at a party, and they were both extremely nice people.
- At least Judy was spared Johnny Stompanato.
- Perhaps Judy didn't actually call Liz Taylor a classmate. But she was talking about those she had more or less grown up with at MGM and Liz was the only one she referenced in a negative manner, which I thought was interesting. It is true that Judy was ten years older than Liz, but MGM considered Judy a youngster and kept her in juvenile parts until she was at least twenty.
- Judy was traumatized being around such other-worldly beauties as Lana and Hedy and all the glamorous MGM ladies. She YEARNED to be a beauty because that is what was the female currency of the time, moreso than talent. Women were (to an even greater extent back then) objectified for their looks. She was the most talented performer ever at MGM but in the insane, upside down world of values that she inhabited, she felt like an ugly duckling. That is why she worked hard to be presented as "glamorous" in films like Presenting Lily Mars and did not want to do Meet Me In St. Louis because she did not want to go back to juvenile parts. She really did try to compete with the MGM beauties for a time. If you look at any of her publicity stills from the early 40's, you can see that she was very beautiful and photographed like a star. But she never thought so. She was absolutely devastated when Lana ran off with Artie Shaw, who she had a big crush on. But she did get her share of men, too. She was no slouch in that department. Judy and Lana were friends, really, all their lives, although Judy was quick to point out, at times, when they were older, that Lana was not that smart. She knew nothing about anything except the movie business. And that she was like talking to a "beautiful vase." That quote has been recounted many times.
- They both shared a good friend in Barron Polan who came to MGM from Warner's with Mervyn LeRoy and Lana Turner. Barron was Judy's handler during The Wizard of Oz, and he had been part of Lana's team at Warner's after she was discovered at the soda fountain and stuffed into a tight sweater.
Judy didn't hold the Shaw betrayal against Lana - and David Rose was right there to comfort her the very night Lana married Shaw. Judy had the satisfaction of seeing how controlling Shaw was with Lana from a safe distance. Lana's marriage fell apart almost as quickly as it began while Judy was falling deeply in love with Rose and the idea of being free from her controlling mother and Mayer.
- I've always loved Judy, but over the years I've gotten to REALLY like Lana.
She's one of the few female stars of the '40s who look really hot today. She's compulsively watchable. She had a dazzling smile and adorable dimples. She was well-liked at the studio for having a down-to-earth attitude and even though she was the studios biggest party girl (she went nightclubbing every night) she was on-time on the set the next day and was a hard worker. She was equally liked by men & women filmgoers. She was a fun broad.
There used to be a clip of Turner in an elaborate dance routine with George Murphy in TWO BROADWAY GIRLS on YouTube - I was very surprised to see how good a dancer she was. She could have very easily moved in musicals even though she would have had to have been dubbed. But why would MGM need to dub a star with Garland there?
YouTube formerly had a bizarre clip of Lana performing Judy's "The Great Lady Gives An Interview" from a TV variety show in the late '50s I think.
- Can we just say it - Lana was always in search of the 'next big thing', if you get me . Lex Barker , Steve Cochran, Fernando Lamas, Johnny Stompanato-all good looking men, and hugely endowed. On a bio, about Lana, even her make-up man commented on it . It's like being addicted .....to large penis. She'd put up with so much crap, all for the big peen . Sound familiar guys ???
- I like Lana Turner too and agree that she is still hot by today's standards, her looks are very contemporary. Lana seemed to really enjoy her fame and being a movie star, she had fun with it in a way that many don't. There used to be a video on Youtube of Lana on Merv Griffin or Mike Douglas (one of those shows) from the 70s or early 80s and after the show was over, they kept filming while Lana stayed and talked to all the housewives in the audience. She was lovely and gracious to all of them. I cannot imagine a star today like Julia Roberts or anyone else staying and talking to the general public in the audience after the show was over. That's real class.
- At the link, "Lana Turner: A Daughter's Memoir" with narration by Cheryl Crane and Robert Wagner.
It's sort of soft-edged, but fun to watch. Turner was incredibly pretty when she was young.
- They were friends. Judy was very jealous of Lana's sexpot status; she said that Lana Turner was the epitome of beauty.
Judy was heartbroken when Lana married Artie Shaw (Judy was in love with him). The marriage lasted maybe a couple of months. Anyway, Judy and Lana made up and still palled around after that whole fiasco.
Lana Turner always denied having an affair with Mickey Rooney. Did they or didn't they? Who knows? Mickey Rooney was a big star then and was attractive in a kind of boyish way; I guess that's what attracted the ladies. But I don't know why the luscious Ava Gardner married him. I guess she thought he was cute. In his memoir he gives the reader a detailed description of her nipples and genitals. What an absolute douchebag!
- Johnny had a 12 inch cock. So I'm sure Lana didn't give a shit. Well until she killed him.
- Lana was addicted to huge cocks. She couldn't get enough of big-dicked men screwing her night and day. As gay men, we can relate to Lana.
- My question is how did Warners lose Lana Turner to MGM after she debuted in Warners' They Won't Forget?
Though she was perhaps the quintessential MGM star of the 1940s, I could easily see a harder tougher version of Lana thriving at Warners.
- R14, Liza May WAS the dyke.
- Judy was never jealous of anyone involved with Rooney. She and Rooney were never more than friends. In later years, she couldn't stand him although he remained fond of her. Rooney said he would have fallen in love with Judy, but she wasn't pretty enough for him. Maybe she got wind of that comment; that would have been ample reason for her to dislike him.
Lana HAD the glamour... I HAD the Pep!
- He also wrote that Judy was involved with another woman he called a song stylist. Kay Thompson?
- r38: Lana was Mervyn LeRoy's discovery and when he was lured away by MGM, he asked Jack Warner if he could take the then-brunette Turner with her. To his eternal regret, Warner told LeRoy he could have her.
One of the dumbest movie executive mistakes of the 1930s, alongside MGM letting Deanna Durbin go and Zanuck cancelling Rita Cansino (Hayworth)'s contract.
- Also...Warner's just signed little Clara Lou Sheridan who had been dropped by Paramount.
In the 1940s, "OOmph Girl" Ann Sheridan was the Lana of Warner's.
- Love how Cheryl left out the little tidbit about Lana fucking Joe Louis in that coffee table book she made about her many years ago...
- Judy had a crush on Tony Martin while she and Lana were filming Ziegfeld Girl back in 1941. Naturally, Lana got him. She and Tony lived together for a while.
Yes, Judy and Lana did get along. Lana was a likable girl. This doesn't mean Judy wasn't also jealous of Lana's success with the dudes. They are not mutually exclusive concepts.
- Was Cheryl's partner Jocelyn Leroy any relation to Mervyn?
- Everything I've heard about Lana Turner is that she was a real good-time gal who loved to drink and party and was great fun to be around. Same with Ava Gardner. No pretentions or "actressy" bullshit, just two broads who liked to party, screw, and hang out.
- On the MGM lot in the late 30s, Mickey Rooney also fucked Joan Crawford AND Norma Shearer, both MUCH older than him at the time.
There's something to be said for the unrelenting energy of a younger man...
- Yep, as much as I love Judy, I have always heard nothing but good things about Lana Turner. Nice, fun to be around, not pretense. And I think that no matter how "uneducated" she was supposed to have been, she was an absolute genius at running her career. A good long run and a major star in the 40's, 50's and even the 60's and then a resurgence in the 90's! Even the whole Stompanato mess actually helped her career! The timing was perfect. Peyton Place, indeed.
Lana in the 40's was absolutely gorgeous. Like a ripe peach. She just shimmered.
- Mickey SAID he fucked Joan and Norma.
There is a difference.
- I always assumed Mickey Rooney has a giant dick, too. I mean, he was married to Ava G, and Ava loved the big ones, too.
Oh, and Judy would occasionally give Lana a thorough tongue-lashing when Lana was between men.
- "Lana in the 40's was absolutely gorgeous. Like a ripe peach. She just shimmered."
Apparently I'm the only one who thinks that Lana wasn't a great beauty. Yes, she was pretty (and sexy), but IMHO her beauty was the creation of MGM's superb cinematographers. Her chin was slightly weak, her upper lip a bit long, and she only looked great if the camera angle and lighting were just right. Look at this unposed picture, she's no Hedy Lamarr.
So IMHO both Judy and Lana were pretty rather than beautiful, at least from the neck up. If Judy had cause to be jealous of Lana, it was in that Lana was a lot sexier - both in real life and onscreen.
- I always preferred Lana in the 50s, when she wasn't as young but had a glamorous, more "lacquered" look - starting with THE MERRY WIDOW and all thru PEYTON PLACE and the glossy Ross Hunter melodramas.
- Oh yes, she's marginally attractive R53. Who's that dog she's with?
- R6 is correct, Judy and Lana lived next door to each other on Mapleton Drive in Bel-Air. Liza and Cheryl were playmates.
- Louis B. Mayer used to call Judy his little hunchback and put her down making her feel ugly. Judy wasn’t gorgeous like the myriads of glamorous stunning women that Judy was constantly surrounded by, and who made her self esteem hurt greatly. But Judy had no problem getting men. Judy gained a lot of male attention because she had a terrific personality and she was very funny. Judy was like a breath of fresh air to the many men in Hollywood who were tired with the glamorous women who were extremely narcissistic and very self-centered. Judy had no problem getting boyfriends and having sexual affairs which she had a lot of both.
Eva Gardner was extremely down to earth, very straight forward no BS, and she like to have a blast of fun.
Louis B. Mayer balled out Lana Turner for being a party girl and for her many sexual flings. Mayer screamed at her pointing to his crotch saying, all want to do is party and you want this!! Eva, Lana, and many other women in Hollywood back then were very much ahead of their time living their lives the way they wanted to.
Towards the end of Lana’s life, she said she was constantly searching for happiness through men. However, at that point in her life she said she realized it was God who filled that void in her heart. Here is the interview: Part 1
- Here is Part 2 of Lana Turner's last interview.
- Lana had the thickest hair in Hollywood. It could really take a set!
- [r57]. Get it right!! It's Ava not Eva!!,,,
- "All you want to do is party and you want *this*!!" should have been carved on her tombstone.
- Lana was an A-grade cunt!
- Mickey Rooney was the passed-around-butt-boy by the cadre of closet cases William Powell, Clark Gable et al. It's in his autobiography but you have to read between the lines.
- R63, really? what is the name of his autobiography? I never attempt to read his auto because I always think any word that comes out of his mouth is pure BS. AVA said that he is the biggest BSer around.
- So sorry R60, I can't believe I did that!! I adore AVA and I even own some personal effects of hers as well. A major shame on me!
- You can fantasize all you want but Rooney was no one's "butt boy." He was a pussyhound and not gay. It is almost assured that he partook once or twice of the cock (He was quoted as saying that "everyone has a little bit of that in him/her when referring to Judy's problems accepting HER bisexuality and that, possibly, contributing to her drug problems) but he loved the pussy. Gable and Powell were also not into men sexually. To advance their careers (particularly Gable with William Haines), they perhaps did some man- on- man action earlier in their careers but it was not their nature.
- The teenage Mickey Rooney had a hot body. Very lean and muscled. I could see how Joan & Lana would have liked to fuck him.
- "...but it was not their nature."
Thanks for the explanation, Miss Crabtree.
- The Widow Norma Shearer Thalberg definitely fucked Rooney. That one's in a lot of books.
Mrs. Phelps Potter
- Judy was betrayed by Betty Asher, her lesbian friend who was employed by MGM as, I think, a secretary or companion or what have you, to work with Judy and other stars. Asher was her maid of honor when she married Vincente Minnelli. Asher was actually a spy for MGM who reported back to the front office any and all drug abuse and other transgressions of Judy's after Judy revealed things to her in confidence. This was devastating to Judy when she found out. Judy was betrayed throughout her life by both men and women in this way, even though there were sexual dalliances. I think Judy was very naive in whom she trusted ALL her life and many people took advantage of her. Some of it was, of course, her drug abuse and lack of discretionary thinking. But all's fair in love and war and Lana Turner got some of the men Judy wanted, they BOTH were with some of the same men and Judy got around, herself. She, for instance, had a torrid sexual rendezvous with Mario Lanza! Did anyone else ever read that? I don't think Judy had anything to be zealous of with regard to Lana. It really should have been the other way around!
- Judy vas a very zealous voman.
- Like gin and tonic.
- Zealous bitch!
- r70: Asher also spied on Lana.
While she was a popular star, Lana made Mayer uneasy. He liked 'classy ladies' like Greer Garson, and thought that Lana's well-publicized nightclubbing and frequent affairs were not assets to MGM's wholesome image.
Asher also comitted suicide.
- R24 I love LOVE FINDS ANDY HARDY. Judge Hardy's monologue about what makes a good husband and lover should be required viewing .
- r67, the strap-on technology wasn't advanced enough at the time. Poor Mickey would've bled heavily from the splinters and would need to borrow their tampons.
- Strangely, neither Lana nor Judy are sitting amongst their colleagues in that famous photo of MGM stars at the studio's 20th anniversary in 1942.....or is 1946?
- r77, that is because they both were away on war bond tours.
- [quote]You can fantasize all you want but Rooney was no one's "butt boy."
Creepy. The idea of someone fantasizing about Mickey Rooney gives me the cold chills.
- Lana was one of the worst actresses ever to become a major star. She just couldn't act to save her life. It's hilarious watching her TRY to act in a film like "The Three Musketeers" or "Love Has Many Faces" or "Imitation of Life." She was always likable, and always glamorous--but she's so damned mannered as an actress! There's a scene in "3 Musketeers" when she's putting on makeup and its the most awkward thing you've ever seen in your life.
In contrast, when given the chance, her fellow great beauty Ava Gardner could actually act. Watch her in "Bhowani Junction"--she's quite fine and believable.
- Famed director George Cukor, who was renowned as a "woman's director" and made multiple pictures with all the great MGM leading ladies (Crawford, Shearer, Hepburn, Garbo) made one film each with Judy ("A Star is Born"), Ava ("Bhowani Junction") and Lana ("A Life of her Own").
His struggles on "A Star is Born" are well known, but he said he believed Garland was a "great artist" and thought Judy should have won the Oscar. He adored working with Ava and she does her best work on film in "Bhowani". Has anyone ever seen "A Life of Her Own"? No. Cukor said Turner had the "talent of a flea" and is "nothing more than a wax mannequin" - this from a man who could get a good performance out of practically EVERY actress, even Anouk Aimee (in "Justine")!
- [quote]Louis B. Mayer balled out Lana Turner
I'm sure he balled out Lana as often as possible.
- R55, Lana is with Tyrone Power in that photo.
- If it's the 20th anniversary of MGM, it's 1946 and the war was over.
- My favorite Lana movie is The Big Cube, a late 60s, LSD-themed, so bad it's good classic. Not a glamorous role for Lana, she was already looking rough just in her mid-40s, and had awful yellowed teeth, both likely the result of her heavy smoking, as was her death from throat cancer in 1995.
- sorry R11, but Lana's real name was not Judy. Lana was born Mildred Jean Turner.
- Judy had beautiful legs.. Lana had a beautiful smile.
Adrian and Perc Westmore
- MGM started in 1923. That photo was from 1943. Published in Life magazine as a 20th anniversary photo. Many stars who were not in that picture were away at war. Gable, for one. The "missing" stars all had something war related going on.
- Cheryl Crane in her mother's biography LANA:The Memories the Myths, the Movies writes about Judy and Lana.
''Judy and Mother were very close from the time they made Love Finds Andy Hardy, but Judy was a bit jealous of her in the early MGM days for a few reasons. Louis B. Mayer called Judy his little Hunchback, so she felt unglamorous and unattractive next to Mother. But the number one reason was Artie Shaw, whom Judy thought she was going to marry. Mother always felt guilty about that, although later she would say that she saved Judy from a fate worse than death. Their friendship survived Artie.
'Judy and Mother used to go out all the time. Both were absolutely fascinated by Marlene Dietrich. Like two giggling schoolgirls, they'd dress themselves up as sophisticated as possible to go to a gay nightclub on the Sunset Strip where Dietrich would go to see her girlfriend, who was a singer. They were intrigued by the whole scene and thrilled when Dietrich would invite them to join her table.'
In the link below, there is a photo with Judy and Lana and Cheryl writes about it:
'Judy who was no longer employed by MGM, visits Mother at the studio in 1952. Our homes on Mapleton looked into each other's kitchens. Judy used to come over and sit in the bathroom while Mother did her makeup.'
- Imagine being at a Hollywood gay nightclub in the 1940s and both Judy Garland and Lana Turner walk in!
- Oh yeah, R90, it would be at least...SENSATIONAL.
- Funny pic r91. Those fussy 40s hairstyles must have been a time-consuming bitch to maintain!
- Other than "The Clock", the only other MGM film with Judy in which she did not sing was 1941's "Life Begins for Andy Hardy". Four songs were pre-recorded, but I'm not sure if they were even filmed. None survives in the finished film, although the recordings to exist. I imagine it was a lot cheaper to just leave them out and not shoot them.
- Actually, in some of her early films, Lana is really good. It was before she got that mannered quality that ruins much of her later work. There's a dance sequence that she does in "These Glamour Girls" where, not only is she drop dead gorgeous, but so natural, that you can tell what she must have been like out on the town in that period.
- Basically, Lana was a terrific ingenue and a terrible leading lady.
- [quote]I always assumed Mickey Rooney has a giant dick, too.
But where would he have stored it?
- r86, Cheryl Crane said everyone called her mother Judy... One of my pet peeves are people who think they can critique things they know nothing about (r94).
- "Judy and Mother were very close from the time they made Love ..."
- Judy Garland was on hand to offer encouragement and suggestions when Lana Turner's hairstyle for Ziegfeld Girl was being created.
- Judy and Lana are on right now on TCM in Love Finds Andy Hardy. They're the best things in this movie as Andy/Mickey Rooney can be quite annoying.
- I heard that Judy and Lana DYKED it out, or was that LANA and Ava Gardner?
- That was Ava and Lana and Lena. But who knows, Judy got around with plenty of dames!
- r103- HOT!!!
- Liza pings to me
- R102, that was Lana, Ava, and Barbara Payton. Payton wrote about it in her memoirs. The three were going about their lezzie business at the Sinatra home in Palm Springs, when Sinatra walked in on them. Barbara jumped out the window and into the bushes, leaving her companions to face Sinatra's wrath. Word reached the Hollywood gossip columns, and the Sinatra union was as good as dead.
Lana, Judy, and Ava shared many of the same men. MGM was like a college dorm of sexual hijinks.
- R106, word reached Confidential Magazine in the way of a POLICE REPORT. The fight escalated on to the lawn with Sinatra cursing everybody out -- neighbors called the police.
- "Judy was betrayed by Betty Asher, her lesbian friend who was employed by MGM as, I think, a secretary or companion or what have you, to work with Judy and other stars. Asher was her maid of honor when she married Vincente Minnelli. Asher was actually a spy for MGM who reported back"
Betty Asher eventually committed suicide.
- Another bi-polar like Judy?
- Judy always was a generous, even-handed person when it came to other actresses and friends. This was remarkable because she was racked by insecurity and disappointment about her own looks. Whatever her demons, they weren't the type that stimulated meanness and jealousy when dealing with other actresses who were more attractive and successful with men.
Not that Judy didn't have her share of conquests.
- Judy despite her faults, WAS A GOOD PERSON
- Sure. I love those good person stories like when she chased Joey Luft outside into the snow with a knife in her hand.
- Supposedly, Lana wasn't well liked on the set of "Falcon Crest".
- In the early to mid forties at MGM, Judy had her pick of men just like Lana did. If you have someone as gorgeous as Tyrone Power lusting after you and wanting to marry you, you can hold your own against anybody. It's really a shame that romance didn't lead to marriage. They might have been perfect for each other, at least for a while. And who knows what their offspring might have been like.
- Would Tyrone Power have managed to stay faithful to Judy? She could have had a breakdown if she found out he had an affair.
- Sorry haters, I think the young Mickey Rooney is HOT. Tight, ripped little body and boundless, unstoppable energy.
I'd hit it- HARD.
- But that face, R116. It's special.
- Liza is bi right? She pings
- Liza is a lesbian who thought she was bi.
- R113, Jane Wyman was a consummate professional and expected the same from cast and crew. And though she was queen on the "Falcon Crest" set, she was very democratic about it, nobody got preferential treatment, all dressing rooms and trailers were the same size and equipped with the same amenities, and Jane would sit down with cast and crew and play poker with them. On Lana Turner's first day, the producers and well-wishers sent flowers to her dressing room, causing Jane to sniff, "I never got flowers on my first day." Strike one. Lana was also chronically late on the set, arrived with full entourage of personal staffers, spent hours in her dressing room or in hair & makeup, fussing over her looks and wardrobe, and had the nerve to tell the crew how she should be lit and what angles to avoid. And to top it off, Turner hadn't been in front of the cameras in years, so her acting was a bit rusty. She kept flubbing her lines and eventually she asked that the set be closed during her scenes. Wyman, of course, was not amused by this aging glamour girl's prima donna antics nor was she impressed with her acting abilities. She supposedly went to the producers and gave them the standard "either she goes or I go" ultimatum. Turner's recurring character was killed off in the season cliffhanger.
- Lana was a superstar; Jane was just an actress who got some good parts.
- r119, that makes sense! lol
- I wonder if Lana had ever been approached about playing the original lead matriarch in any of those 1980s Dynasty-like series?
I guess she was just too old for it by then.
- Judy was quite a desirable woman during most of the 1940's. She so wanted to BE a glamour girl that she made all efforts to make herself that way. With the help of Adrian, Sydney Guilaroff, William Tuttle and Dotty Ponedel, and PILLS, of course, she succeeded. There are many shots of her taken during the mid 40's where she is absolutely stunning. Around the time of Presenting Lily Mars (1943) until The Clock (1945) she is at her physical peak, I think. With her wit, charm, talent and maximizing her physical charms, she could get just about any man she wanted and she had plenty. She and Lana were great friends which might be surprising to some. Lana was much more down to earth and friendly than her image might suggest.
- Lana played one of the leads in the 1969 TV series, The Survivors -- a prime time soap.
- "Judy was never jealous of anyone involved with Rooney. She and Rooney were never more than friends. In later years, she couldn't stand him although he remained fond of her. Rooney said he would have fallen in love with Judy, but she wasn't pretty enough for him. Maybe she got wind of that comment; that would have been ample reason for her to dislike him."
Does anyone have any more info about Judy not being able to stand Mickey in later years? I always wondered what their relationship was like after their co-starring years.
- R127, Lana's daughter in her biography about her mother implied that Judy was certainly soft on Artie Shaw and that she (at the beginning at least) grew jealous of Lana,because he wanted Artie for herself and Lana was aware of that...
However, later, Cheryl(Lana's daughter)writes that Judy forgave Lana and they were friends again...
- Lana strikes me as a nice, normal person. You can't have nice, normal A-list actresses anymore. That Judy was a piece of work. Determined to drag everyone down with her.
- slightly off topic but a friend who did "Sugar Babies" with Rooney and Ann Miller told us Miller was pretty fed up with Rooney by the end of the run.
He would run off to the race track at every opportunity and Miller thought it was a stars duty to the audience to sign autographs after the show. Rooney didn't think so.
Miller got a bit pissed off about other onstage antics but she couldn't abide him refusing to meet the public.
- Ewwww...R129, Lana normal? She married seven times, she divorced all of her hubbies and her daughter was charged for the murder of her mother's lover and you call that normal? By the way, i have also read Crane's biography about Lana, and i remember that she writes that Lana at a certain period of her life(when she was older) she was thinking that in her previous life she was Cleopatra! Lana was feeling that there is a connection between Cleopatra's life and her life. Gee! Very normal!
- I have seen at least two clips of Judy Garland on talk shows in the late sixties, in each of which she was asked who her favorite leading man was. With enormous warmth (and apparent, but probably false, spontaneity), she answered, "Mickey!"
Unless she did films with the mouse, those rumors of her disliking the little runt might be inaccurate. (By the way, he was quite a hot midget in the forties.)
- [quote]Ewwww...[R129], Lana normal? She married seven times, she divorced all of her hubbies and her daughter was charged for the murder of her mother's lover and you call that normal? By the way, i have also read Crane's biography about Lana, and i remember that she writes that Lana at a certain period of her life(when she was older) she was thinking that in her previous life she was Cleopatra! Lana was feeling that there is a connection between Cleopatra's life and her life. Gee! Very normal!
Yes, not particularly smart, just a woman who managed to have immense fame from a young age and tried her best to live her life.
- Lana and Judy dyked it out
- In 1940, bandleader Artie Shaw composed a song that would become one of his signature tunes: "Summit Ridge Drive," named for Shaw's then-home address. For a brief period that year, the Summitridge Drive residence was also home to movie star Lana Turner, with whom Shaw eloped after their first date.
- Question:What have in common Judy Garland and Lana Turner?
Answer: They both have a lesbian daughter
Judy and Lana put their closeted lesbian lust in their daughters' blood.
- Lana Turner reminds me of a quote from Elaine Strich about Victoria Principal after they made some TV movie together, that's stayed with me: "She's dumb, but real smart, if you know what I mean."
- Yeah i personally got it R137...
I would love to see Lana making out with a woman.
Too late for her i guess. What a pity! It was another time back then. She definitely enjoyed dating men, but i think that what she loved most about them is feeling their lust for her and the favors she was getting from them. It was refreshing for her to be sexually wanted and men certainly could give that to Lana.
She was a true star...same insecurities, same misconceptions, same secrets that we will never get to know for real. She only revealed what she wanted to reveal. Despite her big insecurities, she was very conscious about her stardom and she combined her woman power with her weaknesses in a sexy feminine way.
- Judy wanted to fuck Lana, but Lana was more compatible with Ava. They were both like cougars licking each other.
- Ava to Lana: I like the way that our furs rub each other.
- Does the link work this time?
- Did Lana fuck any of her hotter co-stars, like John Garfield or John Gavin? Garfield was sex on a stick, and he and Lana had incredible chemistry in Postman. Hard to believe that didn't carry over off-screen.
- R142 Cheryl Crane (Lana's daughter) writes that Lana wasn't physically attracted to John Garfield but she did get along with him. They were friendly to each other during 'The Postman Always Rings Twice', she liked him but not in a sexual way.
As far as i remember(guys, correct me if i'm wrong) Lana didn't think that John Gavin was the best choice for Imitation Of Life. She wanted a man with a strongest presence, i think she thought that Gavin lacked that.
Below:Lana Turner and director Daniel Mann thrash it out on the set of Who´s Got the Action?
- Lana was as kookie as i was. It didn't show because she didn't get pills like i did.
- No kidding now, she was a star though.
- Lana was super pretty. I just watched "Green Dolphin Street" and was really taken by her. The highlight of the film was looking at this pretty doll/damsel in distress.She looked fresh-faced with that great smile, platinum hair and that angelic face. Her costumes also complimented her curvaceous figure wonderfully: tiny waist. In a bikini she looked like she was small-boned, because even though she was curvaceous, she was still slender. She was the opposite of Audrey Hepburn who was big-boned and skinny.
- Don't believe everything you read about Mickey Rooney, especially if Mickey Rooney is the source. He even claimed Mickey Mouse was named after him!
- Rooney may have been her "favorite leading man". But that doesn't mean he was her favorite person. I think that she outgrew him intellectually fairly quickly.
She was attracted to more sophisticated men like Joe Mankiewicz.
Mickey had a athletic,hot little body in his day and what I would be willing to wager was a nice, short but thick cock.
- Judy got along well with anyone...Anyone that gave her drugs that is.
- "Judy paid for my yacht!"
- It's well-known that Lana didn't want John Garfield as her leading man in POSTMAN; she thought he was too plain. They didn't get along. Although, from some photos it seems as though the initial tension cooled.
Garfield wasn't conventionally handsome, but he had a sex appeal few other Golden Age male stars had. Although... pear-shaped.
John Gavin should've been happy to work with a name like Lana.
- Lana was more into Peter Lawford and his type in the late 1940s.
- For all of her glamor and that onscreen image, Lana always struck me as an every-woman type. Just a girl made good.
- Lana was sexy. Period.
- According to a JOhn Garfield bio published back in 2003/2004, Garfield and Turner had a fling while making Postman. In later years, Turner always gave praise to Garfield for his acting talent.
- "Garfield was sex on a stick"
I don't get it. To me, Garfield was a short fugly punk. Absolutely no sex appeal.
- It must've been tough for a pygmy like Judy to be at MGM with so many beauties.
No wonder she turned to pills and booze.
- I always thought John Garfield was pretty damn cute...a lot cuter than some of the losers Lana dated and even married.
- [quote]In the early 50's they were next door neighbors and often spent afternoons together while Liza and Cheryl played.
Is it true that Judes tried to coax Cheryl into stabbing Sid Luft, too?
- Lanaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Lana come back. Lanaaaaaaa! Sexy Lanaaaaaaaaa!
- Lana would frequently take a dump in Judy's dressing room when Judy displeased her. It was like Bea Arthur and Betty White forty years before the fact.
- R164, dunno...i don't care actually. Lana was a femme fatale and i don't mind that she was slutty or even catty... She could really turn somebody on.
- "It must've been tough for a pygmy like Judy to be at MGM with so many beauties."
Yet... Judy is the one we remember.
- *R163, dunno...
- Despite Lana's popularity, she did not inspire many mothers to name their daughters after her (contrast that with the mega-popular 'Debbie' in the '50s), the reason being that Lana was known as a 'bad girl' (i.e. slut).
- R165, speak for yourself. Lana is as memorable as Judy.
- #168, only because she stabbed her horse-cocked lover back in the '50's. Ask anyone to name 3 Lana Turner movies.
- YOU ARE WRONG R169. EVERYBODY KNOWS 'THE POSTMAN ALWAYS RINGS TWICE', 'IMITATION OF LIFE', and 'PEYTON PLACE'. I'M SURE ABOUT THAT! NOW SHUSH...
- "That is why she worked hard to be presented as "glamorous" in films like Presenting Lily Mars"
But she sent up the idea of glamour at the very same time. I don't think her heart was really in it.
- Mickey Rooney was a cute guy when he was young, IMHO. I would have fucked him.
Of course Judy isn't "the only one we remember".
- I like Lana a lot too. She was such a peach and i love cats as well...
Excerpts from the book 'Get Happy: The Life of Judy Garland written by Gerald Clark
'Who would you like to look like?' a friend asked Judy. Judy's reply was instantaneous:'Lana Turner. That is beauty.'
Lana had everything Judy longed for:looks, glamour, sex appeal and the ability to land any man she wanted, including the only man Judy wanted. Blond buccaneer that she was, Turner liked them still more if she knew somebody else had her eye on them, and she may have gone after Artie Shaw because Judy had told her of her infatuation:she was to make a mischievous habit of stealing Judy's heartthrobs. 'Every boyfriend i get, Lana comes and takes him away from me,' complained Judy. 'I have a date with a guy, i mention him to Lana, and the first thing i know, she's moved right in.'
Most other women would have reacted with hurt and anger to Turner's gleeful plundering. Judy's response was more revealing. She was always hurt and angry of course. But after the initial shock and despair, she also sounded resigned, as if, deep down she expected a sexy goddess like Turner to get the better of a mere mortal, particularly one as plain as Judy believed herself to be. Judy was convinced that she was fat, homely and unattractive to men.
- This one was revealing as well... (excerpt from the same book)
Artie Shaw's friendship with Judy was, in fact, more enduring than any of his marriages. Putting on a smiling front, Judy visited the newlyweds a few times, prompting Shaw to inquire why she did not come around more often. Her answer, made without any apparent malice, was as lethal, yet as accurate, as any of Oscar Levant's cracks. 'Lana's nice,' she said, 'but talking to her is like talking to a beautiful vase.'
Judy Garland and Marilyn Monroe...i found this link too and i decided to post it as well!
There have been several threads regarding Judy's connection to Marilyn Monroe.
From what I have heard Judy met Marilyn at a party in the early 50's, Marilyn was still a starlet at the time and apparently Marilyn asked Judy if she would be okay to stay with her for the evening because she was "scared". Judy has been reported to have replied "Honey we're all scared!"
Judy was an informal singing coach to Marilyn in her preparation for Some Like It Hot in late 1958, there is a photograph of the two of them together attending some form of event from this time but I can't remember where I have seen this.
It always struck me as odd that Marilyn was not at the ASIB premier but I believe this was the time Marilyn had escaped to New York to work at the Actors Studio.
Judy was devastated by Marilyn's early death in August 1962, saying something along the lines of "she asked me for help, I mean of all the people she asked me!"
- I have read Judy was a tremendous caretaker of others. With all her own problems she could probably sense right away when someone else was messed up. She supposedly care-took Bob Walker while they filmed "The Clock."
- R178, yes, i have read too that Judy tried to be a positive influence on troubled Robert Walker during the filming of 'The Clock'. However, i don't think that Judy could have helped him later, in the last decades of her life. Anyway, that doesn't really matter, because Bob Walker died first in 1951. When they were making 'The Clock' in 1945, Judy was only 23. She still had the energy to be helpful to others and the drugs and pills hadn't destroyed her yet.
- I love in those old TV interviews Judy is always saying Lana was always outside smoking when they were in the studio lot classroom.
Judy was probably too hopped up on diet pills to get up from her desk.
- My God. She was hideous.
- R181, what do you mean by 'she was hideous'?
Who and why did you say that?
- Judy, R181.
- "Judy was probably too hopped up on diet pills to get up from her desk."
If you're hopped up, that means you can't keep still. Why would pills that keep you hopped up make you unable to get up out of a desk?
Do you always talk out of your ass that way?
- Esther Williams once related that at some point her dressing rooms was next to Lanas. Esther ruefully noted that everything in her dressing room was covered in waterproof plastic or lucite. One day when Lana was out, Esther had a peep into her neighbors dressing room "There was nothing but this...giant BED."
- Interesting that Fernando Lamas, who Esther later married, spent long breaks with Lana in her big-bedded dressing room during "The Merry Widow" shoot. I heard stories that Lana could barely walk after the hard fucks Lamas gave her at lunch.
- Mitzi Gaynor was in Lana's dressing room after Lana left MGM for LES GIRLS.
- Were there any gowns in Lana's dressing room?
So, was Judy's father gay? That explains maybe why she married men who were gay as well.
- R181, you are a fool.
- I once read Plain Judy's looks described as "gauche". I think that works.
- I recall an appearance by Lana on the Mike Douglas Show circa 1975, where she was openly rude to co-host George Carlin, turning her back to him and ignoring him when he asked a question during her interview with Mike, except to give Carlin a look of disgust.
- Well, I can only imagine what George Carlin must have said to Lana to provoke her. She was very savvy about her public image and was always gracious to interviewers.