Saturday, September 15, 2012
The naked guys in the Castro aren't content with just being nude. They have to be obnoxious, too.
It wasn't enough that the exhibitionists wanted to stroll past sidewalk cafes in the buff and flaunt their shortcomings in the Castro Plaza. Now Supervisor Scott Wiener, who represents the area, says there are reports of them engaging in public sex acts and of charging tourists to take a photo of them in the buff.
The principal at Harvey Milk Elementary School in the heart of the Castro has seen naked men while going to and from school. And Mission Station police who patrol the neighborhood report a consistent rise in complaints that range from seeing men who walk around with robes on and flash, to men who use props to call attention to their birthday suits and others who wear genital jewelry that stimulates arousal.
"The more over the top they get, the more public opinion has shifted," Wiener said. The problem is so bad that he said it's the most-raised issue among his constituents - topping homelessness and Muni.
The naked guys may get a giggle out of tourists, but when you live in the neighborhood it gets old in a hurry.
"I would say the overwhelming majority of my neighbors are fed up with it," said gay rights activist Cleve Jones, who has lived in the Castro "on and off" for 40 years.
A year ago Wiener drafted - and the Board of Supervisors passed - what's known as the "skid mark law." The ordinance requires nudists to put a towel or cloth down before using public seating.
I said at the time that the law didn't go far enough and ridiculed Wiener for making the city a national joke. The most recent examples of nudity Wiener cited clearly show there is a need to ban nudity on public streets, and I applaud him for rethinking how the issue should be handled. The skid mark law isn't working. And quite frankly, San Francisco wouldn't be alone in banning the naked guys. Marin County and even Berkeley have nudity laws.
There's a difference between going somewhere where nudists congregate and being confronted on the way to the ATM. C'mon, if you are shocked to see nude people at the Folsom Street Fair, you haven't been paying attention. But increasingly, the Castro is full of families with kids. This isn't a nude beach; it's one of the busiest places in the city.
San Franciscans, and Castro residents, have bent the city's code of tolerance into a pretzel attempting to accommodate the nudies. We wouldn't want to be seen as non-inclusive after all. Or prejudiced to those of a non-clothed belief system.
Wiener has been in office for nearly two years, and he says that during that time, the attitude on the naked guys has shifted.
"There are quite a few people two years ago who would have been against a ban and today they support it," he said. "The guys have taken it to such an extreme. I have to say it's actually sad because I think for many, many years we were totally fine in the city without any kind of ban on public nudity."
Wiener stresses, by the way, that IF he proposes a ban on nudity that it won't include festivals like the Folsom Street Fair or even the nude runners in the Bay to Breakers. This is about naked men taking over the street furniture.
The real laugh is the sense of entitlement that the naked guys have, spouting high-minded nonsense about personal rights and defending free speech. Ridiculous.
And yet, they are given every break. Two weeks ago my family and I were having brunch at Starbelly restaurant at the corner of Market and 16th streets, when the naked parade trooped past. There wasn't a person in the place who cracked a smile.
In fact, as far as I could tell the prevailing response was a single word - yuck.
Stories like these make me wish I wasn't gay. THESE guys seriously need to be jumped by thugs and bashed to death.
Fuck off, R3, you're a disgusting troll.
So what, there's a few blocks in the entirety of the whole country where completely liberated, gay hippie extremists rule. There are plenty of other places where kids can go to school.
That's going too far, R3
Hey, they're keeping the straight families out of the Castro!
Show a little respect.
I'm gay, and live in the Castro and I'm sick of them.
I think there are two bad trends here feeding each other. When straight families move into the Castro with Mclaren double-wide strollers, invade every restaurant and store with Haleigh and Jayden, and make the community 'safe' for the tourists, the people who were there are going to turn up the volume on the shock value to try to reclaim a little part of the community culture. Two wrongs, but understandable.
I'd love for one of those mothers of Haleigh and Jayde to pull out a breast for feeding time, and have all these "completely liberated, gay hippie extremists" queens go into screeching fits of hysterics.
R8, these guys aren't noble defenders of gay lands...they are exhibitionists and bores and old and ugly.
Would people feel differently if the guys looked like this?
I live in Berkeley and I didn't know we had nudity laws here. Must be new. For years this kind of sad hippies always had "nude-ins" in front of Cody's Books. Of course, Cody's Books is no longer in business here. I know that Martinez kid was told he couldn't come to class nude anymore and the campus made that a rule, but I didn't think the city did.
Trust me when I tell you that none of the guys at the nude-ins were people you wanted to see naked. But I liked the craziness of it (as I walked by rapidly).
Yes, R15 - There are a few that are out in public all the time. They're quite gross. They're exhibitionists who get sexual gratification from being seen naked (they get off on the shock value and, no doubt, being seen by children.) Now, they're taking it to the next level by wearing cock rings and ball stretchers to add to the shock value. I'm all for safe fetishes, but imposing your kink on unsuspecting people for a cheap thrill is just perverted and, opposed to making some liberal "political statement", feeds directly into the stereotypes that the community has been trying to escape.
And some people thought white trash was just a southern thing.
[quote]Would people feel differently if the guys looked like this?
Nudists never look like that.
Is Scott Weiner gay?
R11 my man-pussy is moist for that thick cock
I will never understand Americans fully, I guess.
In Denmark, we have no laws against public nudity, but the limit is respect for others. Businesses can say they require clothing for their seating, and so on, and most people actually enjoy wearing clothes and still see nudity is natural.
I have a feeling the reaction to these guys is part of why they enjoy being naked. It just seems weird...
[quote]there's a few blocks in the entirety of the whole country where completely liberated
There's nothing liberated about it. It's selfish and sophomoric and offputting. It shows a complete disrespect for other human beings.
We are better than that, and these idiots should be ashamed. Ashamed not for showing their junk in public (who cares) but for deliberately making others uncomfortable. Which is probably their goal. Not 'liberation', but the discomfort of others.
It's because they're unattractive. Would you want to be forced to look at the equivalent of boils and shit all day? Even the Danes have aesthetic standards, I'm sure.
[quote]live in the Castro and I'm sick of them
How many are there? Lots? Are they around all of the time?
I've been to SF a few times, and I liked it, but I always wonder if it is open-minded to the point of so open-minded the brain falls out...
Arrest them. They are not just being indecent and creepy, they are dangerously obnoxious and assaultive.
Stupid question, but are these men gay or is it a mixed bag of exhibitionist?
Skidmark law? That's disgusting. How do you know they put the "skid" side of the towel facing up every time they lay it down?
How long has this been going on? I know about Folsom Street's yearly do, but don't recall hearing about this before.
This is why we can't have nice things.
Eldergays ruin EVERYTHING.
R17 nailed it...wanting these guys to put some clothes on is not about being Puritanical, it's about sex between consenting adults.
"I'm all for safe fetishes, but imposing your kink on unsuspecting people..."
It's a sexual kink that I don't want to participate in.
San Francisco has been great about leaving naked people be at Folsom and naked bike protests, I trust that this is a body-loving, tolerant city.
Living in the Castro it's been a joy to come out of the Muni on my way home from work sometimes, and see a guy in a g-string and roller skates sail down the middle of Castro Street with pinwheels in his hands...that feels like a celebration of freedom and sexuality.
These naked guys feel like creepy uncle exhibitionists.
R3 deserves to be jumped and bashed for simply being such a shame-filled twat.
R13, I LURVE that he did that, very charming.
I guess I'm so used to seeing them now, that they're just background noise and I hardly notice. It's usually the same 3 or 4 grizzled eldergays and honestly, I don't see anything sexual about them at all. In fact, all thoughts of sex are completely erased when I see them.
I hate the prudishness of the weeny gay trying to ban them. Again, if they were porn hotties sitting around the castro naked every day, this would be a different article.
Guess what? The Castro is not "ours." These crazy fags need to learn how to let go. The '70s are over. Put the Castro in history books. Place plaques on important buildings. Erect statues. But get over it. Market forces, real estate necessities, and demographic changes dictate how neighborhoods evolve. 'The Castro' is gone. Let it die a (if such a thing is possible) dignified death. SOMA changed. The West Village changed. Chelsea changed. Time's Square and its sex shows changed. Hell's Kitchen in changing. We cannot hold on to a neighborhood forever. It is impossible. We have our communal memories. Let's move on.
Bengali in Platforms
LOL at the dog in the beginning of the video trying to sniff the naked guy and getting pulled away
In my opinion it has nothing to do with being a "liberated" gay, or sex either. They want attention, period. And that's juvenile.
R36, eldergays can't move on.
[quote]Would people feel differently if the guys looked like this?
But they don't. Not even close.
"Inspector Weiner" lol!
"Nudist are some of the last people you would want to see naked"- David Sedaris
wow it's all about the dick with you guys, isn't it?
no wonder some organizations (i.e. boy scounts) ban gays.
I live in San Francisco and as a previous poster stated, they have become "background noise" to me - barely noticeable.
Other times, I want to ask them, "So you DO go to work naked and show up at your niece's 6th birthday party naked, right? After all, it;s just the human body, nothing to be ashamed of, right?"
And of course, "you don;t mind if I take a dump in your living room, right? After all, defecation is natural - and since you don;t wipe off the seats you've just left, I thought I;d return the favor."
Remember when Lulu used to defend the homeless - wonder what she'd say about these loons.
Good post, Bengali.
"I hate the prudishness of the weeny gay trying to ban them."
r35 has his weeny gays confused.
They should themselves the Gunt Pride Parade.
R17: Pardon me, I'm going to be violently ill . . .
Thank God San Francisco passed the naked ban. As the Castro becomes less gay and more family oriented, it simply wasn't appropriate for naked men to be walking around where kids might be around. Furthermore, the F trolley line draws many tourists who like to ride the entire line from the Wharf to the Castro. They certainly don't want to be surrounded by naked dudes at the end of the line.
SF is becoming less gay, MUCH more Asian, and times change.
I don't understand why children need to be shielded from nudity. What could be more natural than a naked body?
"Think of the children !"
There's a porn sit called Boind in Public which shows guys getting fucked and abused in public places, often screaming at passersby to fuck their holes. I assume this is filmed in SF. If so, I can see why they banned nudity.
R49 children do not want to see your old, flacid body, and their parents don't want you to get off on your gross exhibitionist fetish in front of them.