.... what the hell ever happened to that Madeline McCann and Kyron Horman ??? It's always creepy to me when people just 'vanish'.
There was a six year old boy who disappeared in my hometown I. The early 90's. His name was Daniel Hohenstein. A few years ago some human bones were dug up in the woods near his house that were assumed to be him. So he was murdered and the killer got away with it. The story has always really bothered me. Scary and tragic.
Bump in the night.
What about that one kid in Portland? Thousands of people and many of them kids go missing every year.
The difference is those people have parents who know how to hide bodies well.
July 25, 2012 - More than two-years after 6-year-old Oregon boy Kyron Horman disappeared, the boy's stepmother is asking a judge to delay hearing a civil suit that says she knows the child's location.
The lawsuit was filed against Terri Horman by Kyron's biological mother, Desiree Young, asking the judge to order the stepmother to return Kyron or, if he's dead, say where his remains are located.
The lawsuit also seeks $10 million.
Terri Horman says in a brief filed Tuesday that a criminal investigation is under way, and the civil suit should be stayed two years while it plays out.
Investigators have long focused on Terri Horman, although they have not named her as a suspect or filed criminal charges.
The lawsuit accuses her of kidnapping Kyron, by herself or with help.
The boy was reportedly last seen on the morning of June 4, 2010 at Skyline Elementary School in Portland, where his stepmother had taken him for a science fair.
The Johnny Gosch paperboy kidnapping always spooked me as a kid. I grew up in Minnesota and this story got a ton of press in the upper midwest. 12 year-old kidnapped on his paper route and never seen again.
Mom went nuts and claimed he came and visited her as an adult but had to stay in hiding.
[quote]The Johnny Gosch paperboy
There were two other paperboys around the same age, within months of each other also kidnapped and never heard from.
Then they have those fake kidnapped pics of Johnny all tied up.
I grew up in Minnesota too, and the Jacob Wetterling story has always bothered me. :-( couple of kids riding bikes and some guy stopped them and then likely abducted them. It's got to be one of Minnesota's most high profile kidnapping/unsolved cases...
R7 as an adult I kept remembering the story of that guy in Missouri who kidnapped an 8 year-old boy, raped him nonstop and gave him Stockholm Syndrome and posed as his "dad" living out in the open. It wasn't until the kid was about 13 and the giuy kidnapped another boy about 8 that the boy realized what was going to happen to his captor's latest victim and that he'd likely be killed and replaced and went to authorities.
I have a horrible feeling Johnny met the same fate. At least the sexual torture and abuse til a new victim replaced him and he was killed.
R8 I remember that too (grew up in Mpls). That was terrible. Especially since his alleged abductor was found with child porn tapes he made of Jacob and his body was never found.
I have always believed that either Madeline McCann's mother or father accidentally killed her and panicked. The whole backstory as to what they claim went on the day she went missing has never made sense to me at all.
They were at dinner with pals and left the kids where they were staying while at vacation, right? Then, they claimed everyone took turns checking on the kids the whole time they were all at dinner? Give me a break.
I think one of her parents gave her a high dose of a sedative (because she might not have taken well to the time change or something) and that it killed her.
R8 here, I misspoke. I meant that the boys were riding bikes and I believe the abductor told two of them to ride off and took Jacob. I didn't know that about finding porn or some of the later details about where the case ended up. Thanks for link.
Were you guys made to feel scared of being kidnapped when you were children? I remember being told not to talk to strangers and freaking out one time when I lost my mom in the grocery store, but it didn't seem to be such a big deal as it's made out to be now. I was a kid in a mid-sized Ohio city in the 80s.
And what about who killed Jean-Benet Ramsey....?
R9, I know someone who went to school with that kid. He told everyone that the guy was not his dad and he wasn't supposed to be with him. None of the kids believed him. I don't know if he told the teachers as well, if so they didn't believe him either.
No case of missing people has ever creeped me out more than the Missing Three Women in Springfield, MO.
Oh god, I just saw the recent German film, Michael--what a creep fest. Guy kidnaps a boy and keeps him locked in the basement. Nobody even remotely suspects him of being a pedophile. Yick.
The McCanns were/are swingers. They were out swinging when Maddie disappeared.
R9, is that Steven Stayner from "I Know My First Name is Steven"?
R9 I was thinking it was Steven Stayner too, whose older brother turned out to be the Yosemite serial killer.
"I Know My First Name is Steven" scared me when I watched it as a kid. So sad that he died young.
What about that entire family in San Diego, the McStays, who just disappeared? There's footage of a family believed to be them, walking hand-in-hand across the border, but no-one's sure. Very creepy and weird. It makes no sense.
I'm glad that poor kid seems to be doing well and seems fairly well-grounded R27. I'd forgotten about that case.
Any updates on Kyron Horman or is that fat bitch of a step-mother going to get away with her crime? I think she had accomplices too didn't she?
Me too R16. I grew up in Springfield. I have a good friend who knew the mother who disappeared.
OP, I grew up in Sterling Heights, MI, about 17 miles north of Detroit and when I was 10 years-old during the reign of The Oakland County Kidnapper and it was scary.
Read more at the link.
I grew up in the 70s in Queens. Never really worried about kidnapers or "mashers" (anyone remember that word for rapist?) and all kids walked to their elementary school. Our neighborhood had something like the "safe bird program" and parents put a little bird decal in their window. If someone tried to abduct or hurt you, you were supposed to run to a safe bird house and they'd let you in.
R30, I read about that case when I was a kid and it gave me nightmares for days.
The judge in the Horman case declared the stepmom a suspect in his disappearance yesterday. The first time she has been so named. A lawyer they interviewed said that is the best thing that could have happened for her. Now she can just fifth amendment and walk out without divulging anything.
I sure wish someone would find him. For some reason having him missing out in the Sauvie Island area is just too creepy. I too think she had help disposing of the body or it would have been found by now. Stepmom really didn't like him but for goodness sakes to kill him even by accident and then, to quote NG, dump his body like trash is so inhumane. At least she lost custody of her other child. So that child is safe.
R1, don't you think the kids father or mother's boyfriend, killed the kid?
R1, I have never heard of that case, but you gave me the creeps because my first boyfriend (back in the 80s) was named Dan Hohenstein.
Anyway - i have always wondered about Jacob Wetterling too. What a horrible case.
I think with the McCann girl it was a case of her drowning in the Hotel pool. A manager or workman found her and got rid of the body, so that they wouldn't be sued.
I always like when a thread gets some interest in a bit of a delayed fashion. Thanks for replying, folks !!
R37, wtf? Where the hell did you get that idea?
I read somewhere a week or two ago that they were going to re-interview Kyrons stepbrother?
Also his peternal uncle was arrested at the beginning of the summer for child molestation.
I had no idea there were two other paperboys who went missing after Gosch at around the same area. It sounds like a serial killer that was never caught.
This show is interesting because I never saw his father talking about him before, it’s always the mother.
In Norway you can kill 77 people and only get 21 years. I know it sounds harsh but he'll be eligible for parole in ten years.
Thank God for Obama and other liberals in Europe. They only will make the world safer
I think it's awful that stepmom gets to kill a kid and go free because she's a good hider.
That guy in Norway or the Netherlands, wherever? He's crazy and I'm sorry but anyone who is that fucked up...needs to be put down. Most all of our mass killings are simply crazy people with a gun. If they kill once, just put them down. We put killer dogs down, why not people? The woman in Texas who killed her 4 or 5 children? Crazy. Put her down because more then likely she will go off her meds and do it again.
And by the way, I'm a liberal and don't really believe in the death penalty but crazy is crazy...there seems to be little we can do about it.
I guess I'm against the death penalty because it isn't a deturant. Because there's always a chance that the wrong person has been accused. Because people who murder children usually end up being beaten stabbed or murdered themselves while in prison. And because no one should have the right to end someone else's life, including the state.
Also I feel that death is an easy out.
R46, it's not about deterrent, it's about punishment. Wrong person potentially being blamed is no reason for it being illegal altogether. Banking on the person getting killed in prison? That's ridiculous.
Kyron's stepmom was also plotting to kill the kids father too. She really was a malicious, vengeful woman.
We all get the same out...so how is the death penalty a real punishment? Living in prison, that's a punishment. Usually when I really hate someone, I hope they live forever...like Bush and Cheney...I wanted Reagan to live much longer than he did.
Most of them don't want to be executed R49, so clearly they think it's worse than rotting in jail.
[quote]The woman in Texas who killed her 4 or 5 children? Crazy. Put her down because more then likely she will go off her meds and do it again.
Andrea Yates was seriously mentally ill. She doesn't deserve death because she now, being medicated and monitored, knows what she did and will have to live with that her entire life. She will probably spend her life in a mental health facility and definitely never have other children. Her asshole husband is the one you should blame. He kept getting her knocked against doctors advise. He's a fucking asshole fundamentalist neanderthal who treated her like a baby factory. His children were property to him and merely an extension of his own ego.
R47, you seemed to ignore my final statement "I feel that no one should have the right to end someone else's life, including the state". That's what it boils down to for me. Also, it's just too easy an out.
Punishment itself is ment as a deturant. Obviously murder is a heavy crime, I'm sure killers are aware they most likely be killed themselves when caught. These are mentally I'll people. They don't care about the punishment. And they don't value life, including their own.
R48, I had completely forgotten about that. Wasn't it a coworker of her husband that she attempted to hire to kill him? For something measley, like $1,000?
R50, most people are stupid. They honestly think they will be that one person who will get out of life, alive.
Not sure R52. Has anyone written a book about this case yet?
I don't have any sympathy for killers, R52. They aren't 'crazy' and just need help.
R55, do you think they're sane?
Yes, but it's basically semantics, R56. They are morally culpable, that's the bottom line.
Why does it seem that kidnapping really starting happening with alarming frequency in the late 70s and early 80s?
Or crime in general, R58.
You are idiots, kidnapping was in it's heyday in the early 1900s till the Lindberg Baby was "Kidnapped."
Did you know in 1945 alone over 100 children under 10 were killed in non mysterious or non criminal circumstances and no one ever came forth to claim the bodies.
That is right, 1945 was a peak year for that. These were kids that died, due to things like fires or accidents, and there was no suggestion of criminal activity or foul play, but despite newspaper and radio reports, some even on newsreels, no one ever came to get the bodies.
People, kids have always gone missing.
True. Crime rates haven't gone up, but reporting and almost glorifying of crime has.
The police had suspected the father had a hand in Gosch's disappearance from the beginning, and you can tell in that interview he's a little shit. I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but he doesn't explain why he thought Paul B was telling lies. Paul said in a court case against someone else involved in the child sex ring that Gosch's father arranged it. Paul won that court case, btw.
Paul gives an account of seeing Bush Sr. on at least 2 occasions getting blow jobs from one of these boys.
r46, do you know how many people on death row have eventually been cleared on DNA evidence? I use to support the death penalty, but knowing how unfair our justice system really is and that so many sentenced are innocent, I can't be.
Now having said that, if someone got the death penalty for something like child rape, torture, etc., and there really was indisputable proof such as video, I would not lose any sleep if they electrocuted him.
R62, I don't believe the father had anything to do with it. It's hard to tell what is the truth and what isn't in what Paul B. said, just like it's hard to tell what's true in what the mother says.
The Gosch story is so weird, I wish someone made a documentary about all that madness.
Norway guy: do you think he'll survive prison?
Death penalty: it's just one more murdered dead instead of out on some obscure legal BS
Yeah he'll survive. That die in prison thing is overrated.
Every con in jail knows he off'd 77 people, if they get cocky with him, he'll just stick one of them. I mean what's one more murder to him, more or less. He's already serving maximum time.
The death penalty would assure not only the public safety (It's the only way to make sure they never can do it again) and the safety of other prisoners)
Did you LIBERALS think about that? What about all the cons inside for things like drugs. Do they deserve to be housed with a maniac who can kill them and has nothing to lose?
What a cunt. That bitch murdered her own family. She KNEW EXACTLY what she was doing and KNEW it was wrong.
And her punishment is she has to live with herself?????
Clearly the Batman killer is just as mentally ill, if not more, do you think he should just "have to live with it.?" Of course not.
Even with medicine, these people are at best time bombs that may or may not go off. The death penalty assures, they will never do it again.
And what about all those other people in prisons and mental institution this person is in. Why should they be exposed to a mass murder?
According to this cunt r-51 those people who may be mentally ill or criminals but not killers have to mix with a cold blooded killer.
And then you have the nerve to blame the husband. Way to shift blame. But I'm sure being a liberal welfare freak, you have lots of time sponging on others to think about ridiculous theories that don't work.
R66 you lost it at LIBERALS. Be gone troll.
What do the British people think happened in the McCann case?
Shut up whitey, I was too raped, and shit smeared
The Dee Scofield case is another creepy one. A classmate reported seeing her in the back window of a van saying, "help, help," over and over.
Creepy R71. You have to wonder why witnesses don't ever take note of plate numbers if they see frightened children. I'm betting poor little Dee is somewhere in the Ocala National Forest.
The Dee Scofield case didn't happen like that. People make things up and remember things wrong.
Just like Kitty Genovese, all that bull shit about no one calling the police and helping her. That was simply not true.
It was made up, spread around and grew. Gossip and fertilizer am like that
I was kidnapped when I was 14, in the mid-90s. I didn't have any real family apart from my mother who was insane, and I was more or less a street kid. It probably happens a lot more than we know about, it's only the PR-friendly kids or the ones whose parents raise a big fuss that become front page news.
"Yeah he'll survive. That die in prison thing is overrated."
What happened R74? Who kidnapped you? When did you get away? Did you ever go to the police?
Tried to put an end line, all sounded stupid...
Hugs to you. Best wishes
That's very kind, r76, really. I actually haven't told anyone before, but it's anonymous, and DL -- I know we can be a passel of cunts sometimes, but we're okay, you know?
Just some guy, who'd casually dated my mother. He didn't sexually abuse me, apart from verbal sex stuff. I was held prisoner for a little under 19 months; I escaped on May 15, 1998, nearly 5 months after I turned 16. I did go to the police and they arrested him, but we ended up making a deal to avoid going to court.
It's fine. Sort of. Well, in some ways it's really not fine, but I have 'moved on' I guess. I have a very good career and good friends, nice home, and all that. It's a fundamental part of me and always will be, not entirely in a bad way. It's hard to really explain.
I understand, in a way. He gave you family, wrong kind. He also kidnapped you, which is a bit like claiming (though creepy, illegal, I know) but since he didn't harm you (except the fact he did kidnap you), it makes no sense. You can only scratch your head in bewilderment.
I'm glad you've found a life you are happy and pleased with. Everyone has weirdness in childhood. Yours trumps most.
If there's any doubt as to the veracity of your story, I point out you know the date you got free. I have 2: the day my mother died, and the day I quit smoking cold turkey. Milestones
Thank you for sharing. Goodness and light the rest of your life!
R74's story is kind of bullshit. Doesn't even sound like he was really kidnapped as we typically think of it. There was also a plea deal, so the guy must've not have done anything too bad or leniency wouldn't have been on the table.
Go fuck yourself, r79.
Btw I'm female, not that it matters.
So am I. Sistah!
Do you have a weeha? Or you someone with a yahoo that has taken estrogen to get boobs and says he's a she.
How painfully predictable, the second anyone on DL opens up to any form of childhood abuse or trauma, the bullying starts. Look at the rape victim thread that got deleted.
What's wrong r79/r83, did your daddy diddle you and you feel jealous of people who did get over their childhood abuse? Or maybe he didn't but you really wish he had?
Abusing people for having been abused is the lowest of the low
Conspiracy of Silence doc. about the child sex ring in Nebraska.
It's funny how they have all these people missing and then they find them years later under a pile of leaves no one bothers to look under.
The thing is most discoveries are accidental and you're more likely than not, NOT to get caught.
Look at serial killers, they only get caught when they go off the deep end, well deep end for them, like Jeffrey Dahmer and get sloppy or by accident like Ted Bundy and John Gacy (Who was only caught because the kid persued GACY in order to get him to give him a job. And then Gacy got sloppy and killed him.
How was Bundy caught? Was he in the act or did he have a witness?