The JUDY GARLAND - BARBARA WALTERS Interview from 1967. Complete.
Miss Garland made Walters wait 4 hours.
She is wearing one of Lorna's outfits.
The interview was taped three days after daughter Liza's wedding to Peter Allen and Garland's appearance on What's My Line?
sad but she did let Walters know about her Mom even though she wasnt truthful about her "illness"
what year was the Liza M. interview missed it and cant get back to it without watching the whole thing.
That was great. Thank you, OP.
R2- December 1973.
Judy Gawwand, what is it wike to be a wiving wegend?
I love the looks that Judy's giving Barbara, like "is this bitch for real?"
Judy isn't in the mood for this silly interview. I imagine they put her up at a hotel for a few days as payment.
Am I really going to be the first one to ask:
What the fuck is up with Barbara Walter's makeup?!? She looks she's wearing something concocted for Lena Horne by Perc Westmore in 1943.
addicted to CARPETS!
Love Lorna's full out I KNOW A PLACE, key change and all
What is the cause of Judy's nagging cough?
Who answered the phone?
What is Judy's recipe for shepherd's pie that little Joe loves so much?
Are there pics of Judy wearing Lorna's clothes?
I never realized how wrecked her teeth were, no doubt from the speed addiction. So sad. She's such a mess it's heartbreaking. And such a little sparrow of a person.
Lorna looks so tense. And Joe-- full out ADH.
Judy seems quite lucid and kind in this interview. What an adorable child little Joey was. Lorna is trying to be acquiescent yet you can already see the pain in her eyes. When Judy denies the drug abuse it's a sad moment, however. Denial must have run strong in her life at that time.
Yeah its sad to watch and she seems a couple decades older than than she is. Reminds me of Whitney interviews in the last 10 or so years before her death- evasive- so obviously a broken person and physical wreck.
"You get out and sing or I'll wrap you around the bedpost and break you off short." Was Judy's mother really as awful as she claims?
She drew a weekly check from Metro every week Judy was there. While she may have been Judy's coach till MGM took over, she was also supported by her child's income. Judy was supporting her family (with the Gumm Sisters) long before any child should have to.
She married her second husband on the anniversary of the death of her first--Judy's dad, whom she loved.
Gerald Clarke says it was Judy's mom (not MGM) that started her on the pills. It just intensified/was sanctioned/continued at MGM.
Once Judy cut her mom off, she went to work at an aircraft plant and died in the parking lot...so that's an example of the kind of work the woman was capable of getting on her own, as opposed to living well off the blood sweat and tears of her children.
R14-There have been conflicting stories from the one surviving Gumm sister (is she still living?) that Judy made all that up.
Strange to watch. Why were the children sitting there next to her while Barbara asked about all those personal things? Seems inappropriate.
They were keeping her propped up R17.
Hard to believe the woman sitting there was only 45 . Sheryl Crow is 50. Jennifer Aniston is only 2 years younger than Judy here. Yet Judy looks like a grandmother, poor thing. Thats a woman who led a tough life- and I think , sadly , it aged her terribly.
Liza 1973 = acne
Is Joey retarded?
Speed makes anyone who takes it age very quickly. Elvis Presley was the same way. He looked gorgeous until he started popping the pills and became a caricature of his former self.
Poor Lorna, she looks so sad and unhappy...and with good reason.
r19 while I agree with you that Judy looks older than her years, all women (and most men) looked older than their years in those days.
Look at Barbara Walters in the same clip. She was a mere 30-something and looks 50.
Hard to fathom but in the past, makeup and grooming and hairstyling was all about the desire to lok more sophisticated and...yes, older.
It wasn't until just a couple of years after that interview that everyone wanted to look like an eternal teenager.
May I also add - plastic surgery was still rather primitive and risky in those days and of course there was no botox, restalyne, dermabrasion, or the millions of advanced skin care products that are available today. Celebrities, and people in general, look much younger today because of all the advances in plastic surgery and skin care technology that were unheard of back in Judy's day.
I think for Judy, having the kids present at the interview was a way to declare that she was not embarrassed or sorry for any past mistakes.
Her comments about Peter Allen are, of course, quite hilarious in respect to what followed.
So is Joey retarded?
Another sad drug-addled interview at link. And she's dismissive of reports that she had a lot of gay fans starting at about 3:29. She makes childish gutteral 'ugh ugh' noises when interviewer says 'homosexual' then she goes on the say the woman who wrote that shouldn't be taken seriously, because she was, after all, a 'fella'.
So Judy was a big ole homophobe.
I'll never get the Judy worship.
Joey looks retarded and gay. Baba looks like a total dyke.
Liza is looks very lesbisch.
The video doesn't work in France.
the barbara walters interview, that is.
r28, it is odd that that video is entitled "Judy defends her gay fans" when it is true basically she just denied her audience was gay. And I do remember that "don't mistreat my audience" quote being used as her big defense of her gay fans, but seeing the clip, it really isn't. But I also hate it when people look at an ancient quote and don't put it into correct context (such as people who compare Clinton's and Obama's gay rights record as if they were presidents at the same time.) What mainstream star ever went on record as pro-gay at the time? None, it was a completely different world.
Why didn't Baba ask her what kind of tree she would be?
r29 - you are so malicious.
How is that, R35?
I wonder if Joey suffered from fetal alcohol syndrome or something.....he clearly seems "not too terribly with it".
He did. He has special care now too.
the bw interview is blocked outside of the USA.
Is there any way to see it?
Barbara's spray tan is hilarious.
I was molested!
Let's get personal. Your father Werner was a burger server in suburban Santa Barbara, when he spurned your mother Verna for a curly-haired surfer named Roberta. Did that hurt her?
R41, it's called QT.
"I wonder if Joey suffered from fetal alcohol syndrome or something.....he clearly seems not too terribly with it."
He's a mama's boy. Still is.
"You get out and sing or I'll wrap you around the bedpost and break you off short." Was Judy's mother really as awful as she claims?"
No. Her sister Virginia always refuted Judy's claims that Ethel made her a drug addict (if Ethel was pouring drugs down her girl's throats in order to "keep these girls going!" why didn't her other two daughters become addicts, too?).
Judy liked to say that the reason she went broke (the FIRST time) was because Ethel squandered her money, but evidence shows that Ethel managed her money conservatively; it was when Judy got control of her finances that her money started to evaporate.
Judy Garland only grew to hate her mother after she went into psychoanalysis. Seems some shrink told her that people's problems usually stem from the treatment they get from Mother. Judy took that notion and RAN with it: "it's not my fault I'm a drug addict. She MADE me one!" Ever after Judy portrayed her mother as a monster ("she'd slap me in the mother and tell me to get out there and sing") who abused her Baby Gumm in order to attain wealth and the reflected glory of being the mother of a Hollywood star. Ethel Gumm was ambitious for her daughter, but she was nowhere near the horror story Judy made her out to be.
As for this interview...well, Garland comes across as exactly what she was: an unwell, prematurely aged, hardened woman.
"Gerald Clarke says it was Judy's mom (not MGM) that started her on the pills. It just intensified/was sanctioned/continued at MGM."
You know where Clarke got that information from? JUDY! Drug-addled, mentally ill, delusional Judy.
She made some tapes and wrote a few pages for a memoir she intended to write. On the tapes she's ranting, drunk or drugged, railing against everybody : "you sons of bitches!" That's where Clarke got all the info about the evil Ethel Gumm who poured pills down her daughter's throat beginning at the tender age of TEN. At least that's what happened in Judy's druggie mind.
Despite Judy's penchant for exaggeration and embellishment, Clarke takes everything she ever said as gospel truth. Which is why his biography of her, "Get Happy", is pretty much a crock of shit.
"why didn't her other two daughters become addicts, too?"
SUZY DID. And not because of Mother Gumm, because Suzy, like Judy, was bi-polar. Suzy was a suicide 5 years before Judy.
Garland is half right about her concert audiences. In the early 1960s, Judy drew a family audience as well as gays when she was most popular---before and after the Carnegie Hall concert and album when she played large venues. By the late 1960s, her audience was mostly gay.
Alan, who saw Judy sing throughout the '60s
Make that "she'd slap me in the MOUTH and tell me to get out there and sing."
Anyway, Judy's tales about her mother were mostly outrageous lies.
R48, popular vocalists mostly played nightclubs where liquor was served. Definitely for adults, not families. Concerts were rare.
Is Joey Luft autistic?
Run Judy run!
Many people who met Ethel Gumm were not impressed. Director Joe Mankiewicz found her a "real piece of work", and many people's impression of her was not very far off from Judy's. She was by all accounts a rather cold, and desperately relentless stage mother.
How do these odd rumors start? Joey Luft is a neighbor of mine, I see him quite often. He does not live in a group home. He is not retarded. He is not a drug addict. He is perfectly normal and a nice guy. He's just very private. He has had a few health problems in the past (physical), but nothing that unusual.
incidentally, he is 100% straight.
I think the the key to Garland's personality is self destructive behavior which evolved over time.
She was the essentially the family bread winner from her early childhood on. Apparently she was an unwanted pregnancy .The mother went to a family friend who was a doctor seeking an abortion. The father was a closeted homosexual ,who's compulsive behavior resulted in the family literally run out of two towns. I think the mom eventually put all her sights on this one kid as her way out of a marriage . With the death of her dad Garland lost the only person she perceived to be her protector and when her mom remarried Judy was already on the brink of film stardom and the studio system only reenforced Garland's own insecurities at the same time it created a "monstre sacre" in an adolescent girl. I think Garland learned to play the victim at an early age and as another poster pointed out, one of her sisters also developed drug dependency and died from suicide. Clearly there was something in the family dynamic that contributed but I think ultimately the MGM studio system and Garland was a mix that was destined for disaster. I also think she contributed to and came to became to embrace the myth. I would think if someone researched the family there would be a history of alcoholism and it doesn't surprise me that both Liza and Lorna have struggled and poor Joey..who knows what demons he struggles with but props to him for remaining out of the public eye.