The only gay guys I know who are attracted to overly pretty/feminine faced men are other fem guys and old men with a twink fetish. Everyone else likes masculine-faced men.
I can't stand pretty men. The kind who look like women. Like Justin Bieber, for example. He is just a lesbian-in-training, and he doesn't even know it.
Who wants a fag for a fuck?
I was hanging out with female colleagues after work and the topic turned to "who's cute, who's hot" at the office.
There was very little overlap between mine and theirs. Their comment: "Of course. You want all the cavemen, the hypermasculine guys." (I found all of their choices bland, dull, unsexy.)
It surprised me, but they weren't wrong.
Gay men may prefer the masculine faced but give them the inevitable dry spell and they'll settle for what they can get.
Do masculine men prefer gay- faced men?
I disagree, it's my experience that gay men are far more interested in the back of you.
[quote]Is it true?
Definitely yes, in my experience. Some guys are into other guys who look and act nelly/fem, but most of the ones I've ever known are into the more masculine look.
What does masculine-faced mean? It means a face that appears more like a typical man's than a typical woman's.
What are gay men? Men who prefer men to women sexually.
Doesn't it only make sense, therefore, that gay men would prefer men who are more masculine than feminine in appearance, facially and otherwise?
And, "masculine-faced" doesn't necessarily have to mean these men aren't raging queens. It's simply the neutral state of their face - what they can't control.
Do they do studies on what black men and what black women prefer?
I have no problem with femme guys, but when it comes to sexual attraction I am only interested in guys with masculine faces.
Women like pretty men, so the few straight pretty guys can have their pick.
Bitch please. Well all know it comes down to dick size for 99.8% of gay men. NEXT!
[quote]The only gay guys I know who are attracted to overly pretty/feminine faced men are other fem guys and old men with a twink fetish.
The second part is true, not the first part. Fem guys also like masculine guys.
Also, some bi guys who lean more straight prefer fem guys (and TVs) for the reasons R12 outlined (but reversed).
I don't get why all you guys are correlating a pretty face with effeminate behavior. I live in LA and there are a lot of very, very pretty guys here who are in no way effeminate.
This is why Bea Arthur has such a big gay following.
Another in a long line of "DUH" studies.
Ha ha, freeper @ R21 got busted!
whoa. ef-fem-i-nate is not longer permissible to type on this site? What kind of bullshit is this?
I wonder if bi guys are more attracted to softer features?
I'm hardly a freeper. Why would you even say that? There's nothing inherently wrong with saying ef.fem.i.nate. I cannot understand why that word would be deleted. It's not like i'm saying 'faggy' which IS offensive.
I certainly concur with this study.
Great. Now maybe the twink worship and male grooming crap will disappear.
Gays are just blind to the nelly qualities of other gay men. Every one of them thinks they are straight acting, and they think their very fem lovers are butch too.
True, R30. Like Lance Bass calling christening himself a 'SAG' - straight acting gay.
Women fetishize pretty men, while gay men fetishize hypermasculinity.
[quote] I cannot understand why that word would be deleted
The ef.feminates complained loudly enough.
[quote]And, "masculine-faced" doesn't necessarily have to mean these men aren't raging queens.
Exactly. It has nothing to do with how a guy acts or how he grooms himself. Plenty of guys with prominent jaws and chins and wide foreheads will open their mouths only to have a purse fall out.
The point is not that anyone fetishizes anything, r32. It's that when a particular face is altered slightly to look more masculine, gay guys like it more. Think of it as finding Lenny Kravitz sexier than Prince. Not finding Andrew Dice Clay sexier than Matt Bomer.
So people who are sexually attracted to men like male features?
They needed a study to figure that out?
well, I very much appreciate a beautiful man. the guy who plays superman on tv, for example, has an extremely pretty face, downright beautiful, and I think he's gorgeous.
R21 - OOOOH! is this a sort of "Redtag"? I LURVE it!
Who looks at faces?
Is the Pope Catholic?
Most gay-oriented marketing features pretty men with muscular bodies. Both of which I have zero attraction for.
Fem dudes like masculine dudes like everyone else. In fact, some of the most anti-effem comments I ever hear are from guys who are effem.
I think a gay dude is truly masculine when straight guys say, "wow, I would have never guessed he is into guys; he is like a normal dude."
This article was confusing. First they said gay men and straight men prefer masculine men and feminine women. Then they said gay men and straight men did not have the same likes. I'm puzzled now as to the difference between what gay men like and what straight men like.
That lesbians prefer masculine women and fem men is not a surprise. That straight women got confused probably means there were not enough markers to intuit bank balance!
My straight female friends like masculine guys also but they tend to be the grunting, football-watching types who were probably frat boys in some distant past.
r48, I love jocks too. Only date athletes and military. Muscles and Athleticism are hot.
Sounds right. Whaada we need with more femininity?
well yes R19, the big peen is an extension of masculinity--as a symbol and as a fact. bigger dick = more of a man.
*Every* gay man is "masculine-faced".
UNTIL THEY SMELL COOKIES!
R2, what happened? Are you okay?
Young girls do prefer boys with soft faces, which is why Bieber and 1 Direction look like a bunch of lesbians.
When we grow up we prefer our men to look (and act) "masculine". Enter Micheal Fassbender, Jon Hamm and Idris Elba
Meaning when you straight chicks have finally been banged, right r55?
I always wonder about those fat ugly straight women who prefer the more androgynous types. Are they virgins maybe?
r5 I'm a bi woman and although I understand what you're saying about the beaver and even agree, I think there are some slightly feminine faces on males I really love and think are beautiful. Matt Bomer comes to mind. His face is clearly masculine but his beauty is so perfect that there's something feminine about it. There are other men like him and I think it's when they have perfect features that make them look beautiful and not just attractive, that they are somewhat feminine. The Beaver is a whole different story - he has absolutely nothing masculine in his face.
[quote]I always wonder about those fat ugly straight women who prefer the more androgynous types. Are they virgins maybe?
Not usually, afaik, although they may be closeted lesbians.
When middle-aged women obsess over pretty boys, it's usually in more of a "motherly" kind of way, even if these women will still joke or fantasize about fucking these pretty boys.
Androgynous types can be very attractive as well. One doesn't have to be an ugly virgin to think so.
What about those women who are obsessed with chris Colfer aka Kurt from Glee?
r60 I really like CC in a friendly, sisterly way, not in a sexual way. He's likable.
Society doesn't respect non-masculine males, which makes them unlikely to be attractive to most people.
R60: If you listen carefully, those women who rant about the feminine-faced guys dont really want to fuck them.
In fact they are drawn to those types of guys specifically because they are sexually non-threatening. It could be due to negative sexual experiences or unhealthy sexual attitudes but rest assured none of them actually wants to ride Chris Colfers cock.
[quote]Plenty of guys with prominent jaws and chins and wide foreheads will open their mouths only to have a purse fall out.
I have a prominent jawline and chin (my husband tells me that's one of the first things he noticed, beside my nice ass), and when I open my mouth ... I have a deep bass/baritone voice.
And, I'm gayer than you, toots.
One can have a masculine face but overall be very ef feminate. You can also have a deep voice and talk with a gay/non-masculine accent or manner of speech. Likewise, you have a muscular bod and be non-masculine. Masculinity is a mix of many component parts, including interests/hobbies, manner of speech, manner of walking, and clothing.
That's all true, but this research is probably done just with photos of faces. Because it's hypothesis was about masculine faces. Now, the next step might well be a study of masculine faces with voices running the gamut of masculine/feminine identification. I prefer men with masculine faces and voices and I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of people do as well. But, hey, I could be wrong.... that's why a study is worthwhile.
"Society doesn't respect non-masculine males, which makes them unlikely to be attractive to most people."
True, but society doesn't respect people generally considered non-attractive either, which is partially why most people join ranks and are not attracted to them.
It's called enculturation.
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I also prefer men who have masculin faces and voices; enter Richard Armitage who, btw, is gay.
Personally, I've always looked at things like this from this perspective: Hot is hot, attractive people can come in several different ways. Some guys have softer features that work a lot better with their overall look, and they look damn good. I can understand this studies' suggestion being true for most gay men of course but I don't have a "type" I guess.
They should do a study on voice and attraction.
voice makes a big difference to me.
Yeah, voice is huge for me too. No matter how a dude looks, if his voice is not masculine and manly, I instantly lose attraction. Attraction is very auditory.
I don't want to fuck a woman.
and water is wet
You don't fuck a voice. Wow, are you guys pansies or what. (Just kidding.)
r82, but voice is very important to attraction because it connotes masculinity.
I guess what I mean is, have you ever been somewhere where you don't speak the local language? In that type of environment, if you want to trick out, you need to speak nonverbally. Thus, voice doesn't matter.
Also, how important is voice in a sex shop or at a sex party? See what I mean?
Likewise, bi or "straight" men prefer feminine-faced men, in my experience.
r85, interesting. My straight friend says he would consider going gay for Emile Hirsch. I thought that bizarre because I don't find him to have a very masculine face. It made me think that straight dudes are more inclined to find feminine-faced guys more attractive than square-jawed angular faced men.
I knew this really hot guy, masculine, long blonde hair, hairy chest, who only liked real femme twinks. Could never figure it out. Didn't ask him.
Heteroflexible guys definitely prefer pretty boys that have less angular faces. However, the more bisexual a guy is, the more he prefers more masculine-faced guys.
Gay men also prefer guys who use the word "dude," play aggressive team sports, never watch Bravo or Lifetime, and never listen to or obsess Lady Gaga/Nicki Minaj/Katy Perry/Beyonce/Rihanna/Britney.
There are some guys who, right away, I could tell they are gay just by looking at their face. Even if they have the most muscular or hairy bodies their face always gives them away. Either it's the softness in their eyes or the way their mouth sits. Not all gay guys have a gay-looking face, but there are some who do and nothing, not even a beard, can hide it.
R89 I only prefer those traits in a gay man if they are genuine.
Post pics of fem faced dudes.
See? I'm really, REALLY gay.
a couple years ago I got a big crush on this guy who in every way vibes... not feminine, maybe faerie is more accurate.
except for his face, which has beautiful manly features, including a short beard and yet the overall effect is still 'soft'
I think what kept him so attractive was his authenticity. that's key.
'hyper-masculine' poseurs exude desperation via trying too hard, and desperation is a turn-off.
still, real muscles, a deep voice, and body hair get the blood pumping
Gay men do not differ from straight men in the size and shape of any facial feature. Rather, the use of certain expressions can become ingrained in the musculature of the face over time. Since effeminate gay men utilize similar facial expressions as women, they develop female aging and muscle contraction patterns in their face. For example, gay face includes tightness around the mouth from pursing the lips, a facial expression common to gay men and women—but not to heterosexual men. Also, gay men are more emotionally expressive, leading to a general 'tightness' and muscular activation throughout the entire face. Gay face includes an eye expression that is both surprised-looking and predatory. Eyebrows are usually arched higher than that of straight men, and eyebrow hair is manicured. There is often a slightly tan and/or leathery look to the skin, especially among older gay men. Lesbians also have a version of gay face that emulates the facial muscular usage patterns of straight men. They exhibit an underexpression of emotion, relaxed brows, relaxed eyes, and less taut mouth and cheek muscles than straight women. The skin is usually pale and splotchy.
No wonder so many out gays are still miserable and envious, instead of proud like they always claimed to be.
Another new scientific poll, in which the results are , "Duh!"
Thanks for your pseudoscientific input, Dr. Mengele at R95.
[quote]Gay face includes an eye expression that is both surprised-looking and predatory.
I personally like guys with more feminine looking faces, full lips and long eyelashes. Although those features aren't limited to feminine faced guys. I think it has to do with the fact that males are the pretty rather than handsome are more rare.
Most fems guys are strongly attracted to masculine dudes.
great topic, great comments!
I would add my personal preference, which I lend to be attracted by a certain combination of a lush skin color, thin lips and masculine facial features with soft eyes. A little bit gay-faced filled with an authenticity and resilience is a real turn-on to me.
I have a friend who has a soft/gay look to his face. He's very self-conscious of this so he tries to make hard/tough facial expressions. Unfortunately, when he does this he comes off more looking more like a bitchy queen than some tough guy. He's now talking about getting some plastic surgery done to fix his gay face, but I'm thinking this is going to be a big mistake.
Masculine faces have more prominent features... are more angular, more rectangular as opposed to round, and normally feature a strong jaw or chin.
Female faces have delicate features...are rounder and softer in appearance.
Am I right?
i'm a guy with a very soft, roundish looking face. It got me the label of "cute" when I was younger, but now my face defies definition. I couldn't project a traditionally masculine look if I wanted to.
[quote]Most fems guys are strongly attracted to masculine dudes.
Only if you define "masculine" as the laughable cartoonish extreme they're talking about when they use the word: oldish, grizzled with a snarly look, sort of fat-faced, overmuscled, overtanned, etc.
I like them rough and hardened
Who doesn't dude?
And water is wet
Straight men often have a very hard time believing that someone can be attracted to a gruff, masculine looking man, especially the straight, manorexic metrosexuals.
That's the reason why a lot of them believe gay men must be in fact pederasts or crypto-pedophiles, they assume gays could only possibly go for the youngest, prettiest and most feminine looking boys.
[R65]= Charles Nelson Reilly
I want to be raped like a woman by a masculine dude.
r120, go get therapy, dude.
Have a voice that sounds more like James Earl Jones than David Beckham's slightly squeaky one? You're in luck: a new study suggests women are more attracted to guys with a low-pitched voice when it comes to short-term flings.
But don't go altering your voices just yet, guys: The study also suggested that women perceive men with deep voices as being more likely to cheat on them.
The study, published online in the journal Personality and Individual Differences, offers insight into how human voices evolved and how we choose our mates.
“Until now, it’s been unclear why women would like the voices of men who might cheat," said Jillian O’Connor, the lead author of the study and a postdoctoral fellow at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada. "We found that the more women thought these men would cheat, the more they were attracted to them for a brief relationship when they are less worried about fidelity.”
To conduct the study, O’Connor and her team asked roughly 90 women to listen to men's voices that were electronically manipulated to sound higher or lower, and then choose who they thought would be more likely to cheat on their partners.
The researchers also asked the ladies to pick the voice they thought was more attractive for a long-term relationship versus a short-term one. The verdict? The deep-voiced men were seen as being more suitable for a fling and more likely to cheat.
So why do the researchers think this is the case? From an evolutionary perspective, women's voice-based judgments on the faithfulness of men may be adaptive, said David Feinberg, an assistant professor in the department of psychology, neuroscience and behavior at the university.
"The consequences of infidelity are very high whether it is emotional or financial and this research suggests that humans have evolved as a protection mechanism to avoid long-term partners who may cheat," Feinberg said.
This isn't the first time researchers have delved into how women -- and men -- interpret the pitch of a potential mate's voice. Back in April 2013, researchers from the University College London found that deep male voices were judged as more attractive because they conveyed that the speaker was strong and possessed a large frame, while high-pitched female voices were considered to be more attractive because they suggested the speaker had a small body.
Wrong, straight women also prefer males with very angular, square jawed faces. Studies have confirmed this over and over. Women are attracted to male faces that are very distinct from average female faces.
duh. masculinity is preferred by most
What's with all these young guys being so fem
& prancing like rainbow coloured unicorns.
There are two super cute guys in my office, but when they open their mouths it's like a mix of Liberace & Richard Simmons.
It so discouraging they are like some type of hybrid female /male peacock.
If this were true G would have got her Oscar years ago.
I suppose that's why there isn't a great demand for gay porn featuring hair dressers, school teachers, realtors, retailers, or antique experts.
Almost all people (percentage wise) who are attracted to males, are attracted to men with very masculine, angular faces. Even straight women prefer square-jawed, angular faced dudes, according to studies.
Dang, Nelly is FINE.
There are many reasons why people are attracted to athletes, including their physiques, strength, status, and physical prowess. But one reason is that they tend to have a higher amount of testosterone than non-athletic dudes, and this corresponds with a more masculine, angular facial structure.
Anyone attracted to men generally prefers masculine traits in men
Of course it's true. That doesn't mean guys that don't look masculine should be reviled the way they are on DL.
Well DUH! I am gay and want sex with a man not a woman or men who act like women.
R150 actually it's the more masculine guys like myself who seem to be hated on here
FOR NO REASON
And yes I love masculinity in myself and in my boyfriends
The paper is about facial structure, not behavior...R154.
The point of the paper was to see if the cogitative mechanism that gay men used to identify attractive faces was the same one that straight men used...or if it was more similar to the way women perceived faces.
Some 150+ people should actually try reading the paper -- not the bad summary of the paper. But, I'm guessing, unlike the author, nobody here went to harvard & could understand it.
How come so many young gays are soo fem, the dress, the voice, the mannerisms would make Liberace blush!!
What is going on that turns them into mincing prisspots.
That's my problem with Glee, then that thing, Kurt appears I want to change the channel.
R156 know it's crazy
Although I do have feminine gay guys as friends, I'm not into them sexuality at all
Masculinity, which is a beautiful thing, is becoming a four letter word
R157, do you have OCD? You have said the same thing in about 5 different threads...about 20 different times. Nobody cares. It's not even the topic of this thread. Seriously though, do you have OCD? Why do you keep repeating yourself?
I'm a big guy 6.4 226 & masculine & all my friends are
Masculine so I've never had a problem.
The first time I ever witnessed "gay hate" was this summer, a friend had a friend visiting & I took him to Dairy Queen.
It was funny because he had heard about it but never been so since there's one near my place, I brought him.
He a 24yr old slim, dainty French boy that looks VERY gay.
When we arrived at the DQ there was a group of older Armenian men & they were staring at him & had a look on their face of hate I've never seen.
I just glared back, letting them know, if shit started I wasn't going to run. Finally they all turned away but it was terrible.
I can't imagine how fem guys deal with that visceral hatred on a daily basis.
While I'm not attracted to fem guys I would never
"I can't imagine how fem guys deal with that visceral hatred on a daily basis.
While I'm not attracted to fem guys I would never Mistreat them"
I feel the same for butch gay women. I was hostile to them, I want to get more tolerant