ABC's 20/20 Reports "In Crisis Situations, Black Men Are Eight Times More Likely To Make Heroic Acts Than White Men"

"Hispanic Men are two times more likely to make heroic acts than white men." "City dwellers are more likely to make heroic acts than rural citizens." On Friday's 20/20, which detailed the Aurora movie theater mass shooting, they profiled two African American men who chose to save others in danger. One of the young black men helped escort a mother and her two children to safety as he got shot in the leg. Another young black man helped shield two people, one who was shot in the head, behind a door as the shooter approached them. The show interviewed a white sociologist those profiles. He reported on his study which explored which types of people were more inclined to save others in crisis situations. Of course, this doesn't negate the heroism shown by white men. These are compelling statistics that run counter to much of what the media tends to tell us about Black and Hispanic men.

• BULLSHIT!!!!

  enough said

• ...and city dwellers are 100 times more likely to ignore a person in trouble.

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• R1 = GOP's response to everything... and they consider it a fact.

• Leave it to ABC news to shill this race baiting, tabloid style feces.

• What race is most likely to marry the mother of their children, and raise/support a family? See how this works? This is bullshit.

• Many white men are total pussies. Oh sure, they can lord over their secretary and show who's boss, put in real conflict situations and they crumble. Seen it many times.

• Linkage?

• [quote]What race is most likely to marry the mother of their children, and raise/support a family? Race, ethnicity, etc: Asians, Indians, Arabs (and unlike whites and blacks, they marry BEFORE they have the kid).

• They are a credit to their race!

  Hattie%20McDaniel

• R5, When you account for socio-economic differences, it is even. So yes, all bullshit.

• White men are usually less chauvinist too. There's a good and bad to everything.

• Does he have any statistics on Asian drivers?

• Black men are more likely to commit crimes

• [quote]White men are usually less chauvinist too. You've never had a job.

• Whatever. They're probably more likely to be in the vicinity of some drama situation where such heroic acts may be performed.

• I can't find any sources to this report. And I'm not sure what any of this is suppose to mean. I would be interested in seeing what study he [whoever this sociologist is] drew his information from and what type of experimental set up was used to render those statistics.

  Tooty

• Italian men are more likely to shield you with their enormous penis.

• White men ARE pussies. Why do you think they think they need so many fucking guns? An AK47 to hunt Bambi? Bitch, please.

• If I'm ever in the middle of a crisis situation, I want to be standing right beside Wesley Snipes

• Why are a bunch of gay men on a gay message board upset by some stupid report from ABC 20/20? Black guys aren't your enemy? Despite what some of you believe.

• What R20 said. Now end of thread.

• This link should take you to the ABC video. Btw, I never said no black men commit crime or no black men are cowardly. It's interesting how threatening this post is to some.

  http://abcnews.go.com/2020/t/video/colorado-aurora-batman-shooting-dark-knight-movie-theater-massacre-tragedy-2020-16825898

  OP

• "Why are a bunch of gay men on a gay message board upset by some stupid report from ABC 20/20? Black guys aren't your enemy? Despite what some of you believe." Because white man are raised to believe they are superior to non-white men and women in every possible way and as such deserve attention, special rights and privileges. When faced with a reality that shows them to be otherwise, they get very angry, cry "misandry" and some of them buy guns and shoot into crowds.

• Blackmen also excel at tap dancing.

• [quote]Italian men are more likely to shield you with their enormous penis. And beat the shit out of their wives when the mood hits them??

• Black city dwelling hero:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DVRRCu7-bJM4%26list%3DUU1yBKRuGpC1tSM73A0ZjYjQ%26index%3D1%26feature%3Dplcp

• It's not "threatening", OP. It's just that people can smell bullshit from several miles away. Statistics like these are meaningless, IOW, bullshit.

• A less provocative title would have served you better, OP. Surely you realize where you are.

  I%27m%20not%20at%20all%20surprised%20by%20the%20stat.

• We ALL know what race of men has the market cornered on SERIAL KILLING, right???

• [quote]Blackmen also excel at tap dancing. Blackmen? Steve Blackmen? He taught me the Larry Craig two-step.

• No, r27, it's not meaningless in a country where racists spout derogatory accusations at blacks and Hispanics every day. There are thousands of people who believe George Zimmerman had every right to chase after Trayvon Martin because of what he looked like. Watch the ABC clip and tell me that the first black man shown to be a hero looks different from Trayvon. If George Zimmerman saw that guy walking down the street in a hoodie, he could now be dead. It's not meaningless at all.

• It's true. I think it has to do with the fact that most black men have less to lose.

• What about Todd Beamer?

  Lisa%20Beamer%2C%20CEO%2C%20%22Let%27s%20Roll%20Cinnamon%20Rolls%22

• [quote]No, [R27], it's not meaningless in a country where racists spout derogatory accusations at blacks and Hispanics every day. Derogatory accusations don't make meaningless statistics valid. I'm sorry if you can't understand that.

• R34, just because you proclaim it's meaningless, it doesn't make it meaningless to the rest of us. I'm sorry you can't comprehend that. ABC News reported it. I'm sure if you stomp your feet long enough Diane Sawyer will invite you on just so you can pout.

• OK, this is totally anecdotal, but... this year I started a new job which happens to be with hetero white men. It is the first time that I am in an office where women are in minority (no black people in the office). What I have noticed is that all these men are passive when it comes to everything except their very own interests. And if it serves them to appear pathetic to please their boss, they have no problem with it. The way they deal with it is, you guessed it, denial. They all believe they're being smart players, and every single one of them is arrogant. Also, they love to make alliances behind each other's back. I have never seen a more incompetent and insecure bunch. Incidentally, they all happen to be either fat or completely out of shape. I have three months on my contract and I can't wait to get out of there.

• If this is something that can even be measured, I would think it must be because of cultural stereotypes. Black men are supposed to be macho, strong, fearless and therefore, more willing to sacrifice their personal safety to uphold those stereotypes. They are also probably more likely to have grown up in impoverished neighborhoods with higher crime rates. So they could be more used to threatening situations or escaping dangerous situations. When you've been under fire, you learn how to respond to threats. Also, a large percentage of minorities join the military where they gain knowledge of how to act under duress. All of this is conjecture on my part, though. And it's likely conjecture on the part of the researcher who made this claim. Before entertaining this idea in regards to this particular event, I'd like to know the racial breakdown of the audience. When the news was initially breaking, there were reports that the shooter was targeting only blacks. Most, if not all, of the deceased are white, aren't they? From the jerky, blurry video I saw, the crowd looked predominantly white. I saw a black man who was bleeding as he exited the theater. But a couple of the white male victims died while shielding others from the gunfire so there's that to consider. Perhaps one could claim that, of the men who shielded people and survived, the majority are black? I don't know. I just don't know what to think about this kind of research or claim. Race is certainly an important topic of national interest, at least in terms of racism and poverty, etc. But should we be having this conversation as it pertains to this tragedy? I don't know. Maybe we should be talking about how so many of these mass murderers (are they spree killers?) are white men. And why. It can't just be because there are more white people in this country because blacks make up over 50 percent of prison populations while they are only 12 percent of the country's population.

• I wonder if that asshole dad has the capacity to feel any short of shame.

  cuz%20he%27s%20why%20these%20stats%20are%20appearing

• Some of you are so racist.

• This makes sense. Yes, other posters have pointed out that there is a subsection of black men who commit crimes, just as there are Latinos and white men. But I think there are a whole lot more black men whose mommas raised them right and haven't been fucked over by our system. These are the ones I would want around to come through in a crisis. Don't paint everyone with the same brush.

• A distinction between heroic acts and basic survival instincts/reactions from fear would be useful in determining something like this.

• raci$t le$bian troll alert!!

• [quote] It's true. I think it has to do with the fact that most black men have less to lose. Okay, R32, how do I have "less to lose"?

• R43, I think he's trying to say he thinks your life is 3/5 as valuable. Must be a constitutional originalist.

• Wasn't there a post on here about a white man abandoning his wife and child while running away?

• R44, yeah, that what it sounded like to me, too. Talk about racist.

• [quote]Maybe we should be talking about how so many of these mass murderers (are they spree killers?) are white men. Shooting sprees like this one require a lot of intelligence in order to plan and carry out, all the while not getting caught. Same with serial killings.

• Four times more likely to be in jail, Seven times more likely to be on welfare. Fifty percent more likely to be unemployed. Seventy percent more likely to be a high school dropout.

• Wow, R47. I've seen some sickeningly racist people in my life, but you might take the cake. Even in cases of savagery, you attempt to highlight the "superiority" of the white ones. You're a genuinely diseased individual.

• ABC is so full of shit. Let's see crime rates. Oh. Wait. That would be "racist".

• [quote]Four times more likely to be in jail, Seven times more likely to be on welfare. Fifty percent more likely to be unemployed. Seventy percent more likely to be a high school dropout. And, with luck, ten times as likely to murder r48. At least one can hope. You don't deserve to live r48. I wouldn't care what race of man killed you, so long as you aren't here anymore.

• More white people are on welfare, for the Aryan at R48.

• I wonder when 20/20 will do a report on the racial makeup of all these wildings?

• Percentages skew black,R52. By a big margin.

• What about straight men versus gay men in a crisis situation?

• Jesus Christ, r47. Are you implying that blacks aren't "smart enough" to carry out such crimes? OK, if you want to generalize, I can do that, too. I choose to believe they're too smart to do something so foolish and heinous. All I know is that, when I was in the military, I was harassed and threatened daily. I'm a white woman and I worked with men. There were only five women out of 400 men in my unit. About 30 percent were black, 20 percent were Asian and Hispanic and the rest white. You know who harassed me and made my life a fucking, miserable hell for two years? The white men. You know who had my back and protected me? The black guys. They treated me as an equal, gave me opportunities and genuinely respected and supported me. The white men objectified me, treated me disrespectfully, ganged up on me and used me as a focal point for their unhappiness and dissatisfaction. Now that I think about it, maybe there is some truth to this researcher's theory.

  r37

• Sorry. I meant 8 times more likely to be in jail. I love how people love insupportable foolish studies like this when it comes out for the black man. However, point out real demographic numbers, and for writing the truth you are a racist. No wonder the problems never get addressed. They just get worse. More white people are on welfare, for the Aryan at Well you silly colored man there are more people white people on welfare simply because they are more white people. You are able to sate the likelihood of one being on welfare once you analyze the data. Weren't you required to take a simple Prob & Stats course in college? It really amazes me how people would wish me murdered by a black man because I point out real actual statistics that mean something. That indicate the deep rooted problems in the black community. Plus the statistics I just jotted down are the tip of the iceberg.

• [quote]Well you silly colored man... Proves my point exactly. Please don't take anything that racist piece of gutter scum @R57 is vomiting seriously.

• It was a sarcastic reply to the Aryan remark. And tell me what did I type that was incorrect? Just one thing.

• OP, you should know that you are not allowed to say anything good about black people, ever. Good things about them are never true, bad things are always true. Blacks have had increased high school graduation rates, college attendance, income increases higher than the national average and so on. But it's not something that should be talked about. We live in a Eurocentric/white supremacist culture and it will continue to be this way for a very long time. The reaction here is telling but not surprising. This "community" has been this way for many decades. But blacks absolutely must support them even though that support is not returned. I really think the obsession with and hatred of blacks is a form of mental illness.

• This is absolut bullshit!

  George Constanza

• It just means black men are more likely to lie about it afterward.

• [quote]Make heroic acts[/quote] What's wrong with act heroically? Don't journalists go to school any more?

• [quote]Percentages skew black,[R52]. By a big margin. I doubt you apply this when talking about child predators or white collar crimes, but then, you probably look up to those whose theft costs millions of people their homes and life's savings.

• Where all my Grammar Queens at? It's "...Black Men Are Eight Times More Likely To Make Heroic Acts [bold]AS (Are) [/bold]White Men", not "THAN"!

• I call BS, as soon as the cops in Chicago show up, the blacks and Mexicans all scatter.

• I can believe it. If I was in that theater, I would be looking for someone to help cover my body. I'm such a coward when it comes down to it. But who knows if I was actually there.

• Are you saying that black men/men of color are not really worthy of the 'hero'label,r41-and are only reacting out of their own fear? Please clarify.

• I wont confirm OP but I know that by far the most heroic act I have ever witnessed was by a black man (he ran into traffic to guide some crazy homeless guy to the other side). Maybe they produce more adrenaline?

• Preach,r60! The white male pathology of demonizing people because of their skin color should be explored. John Eagan Holmes had everything but chose to be a serial killer instead. Why? Because he had to work at McDonalds,as the media would have us believe? Bitch,Plea!

• Another high-five for R60.

• Are you sure about that, R19?

  http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Da69pHYYUyx0%26feature%3Dyoutube_gdata_player

• [quote] Maybe they produce more adrenaline? They? Really? They? Jesus.

• Heroic

  http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DOLC_IRJUc04%26feature%3Drelated

• I've actually noticed this while watching the local (NYC) news. The few stories I've seen featured where someone displayed a heroic act were black men. The people they saved from danger were complete strangers to them. It struck me (because of my own inherent racism, I guess) because I was surprised by this.

• [quote]I can't find any sources to this report. Here ya go.

  http://www.usatoday.com/yourlife/mind-soul/doing-good/2011-01-14-heroes14_ST_N.htm

• Pretty cool, OP - and admirable., White men could learn a lot from this, if they were willing to learn.

  White%20woman

• R73: Oh spare me your false outrage! Only a reactionary moron would think I meant any offence with that. I am acknowledging that 20/20 report may be right and trying to understand why. It could be cultural or it could be biological. Years ago there was a study that showed that of all the races, black men on average produced the highest levels of testosterone. Which led me to wonder whether black men also produce more adrenaline. Of course it could also be cultural and something to do with identifying with the "underdog" in a given situation. I dont know either way, just trying to understand it better.

  R69

• ABC's 20/20...well, if it comes from ABC's 20/20 says it, it must be true! This is just another stupid bullshit study. Just who is this "white sociologist", anyway? And why should anybody take anything he says as the gospel truth? What crap! These "reports" and "studies" that make the news tend to be dubious fairly often. I remember some study that said if a woman was 35 years old (or something like that) and unmarried she'd have more of a chance of being killed or abducted by a terrorist than getting married. I remember it caused an uproar at the time, and the "study" was later proven to be a load of hooey.

• What about the study that said R79 eats old people's excrement?

  I%20believe%20that%20one%21

• It is hilarious the number of you losing your shit over this. Why? How does this affect you in anyway? You know, you can hate black people all you want, but it isn't going to make white people like you any more.

• Embarrassed that DL threads about black people always draw the worst of the worst. As do threads about women, bisexuals, lesbians, transexuals etc. I think it has to do with an oppressed group trying to assert their dominance over other groups. Its all about battling for a position on the totem pole. A nonsense battle of course because gay men, no matter their race, are broadly speaking, still the most reviled of groups.

• R69/R73 Oh so now I'M a reactionary moron because I'm a black man who is offended by your ignoranct racist postings? Typical clueless white people. Don't even KNOW when they're being racist.

• Most likely to be insecure? White males by a landslide!

  RealSpit

• Whities are getting defensive.

• To take this study seriously would embrace the idea that character traits are determined by skin color. I believe nothing of the sort and it's going to take a study much more rigorous than this one to convince me otherwise. The idea that one's skin color makes one "like this" or "like that" is a well traveled path in the US, and its one that never turns out good for minorities.

• -White Guy has seizure, falls onto tracks with a train coming. Black guy got on top of him and came between the guy and the train as it went over them. -Baby carriage rolls onto tracks. Black guy gets on the tracks and grabs the baby as a train is coming. Child standing on the a/c falls down. Black guy catches her. Guy on train gropes a woman. Two black guys grab him and drag him off the train. You will never see the white assholes in suits helping anyone. They don't even hold the doors for the people behind them. Are there black guys who are assholes? Of course, but from what I've seen, it's black guys who can be way more helpful in a time of crisis.

• R86, Amen.

• For many the study would only be true if it demonized blacks while reaffirming white supremacy. There are many, many people who never want to see the day when blacks are equal or do better than whites. History and politics should make that obvious ( as should the responses in this thread). They enjoy reading negative things ( and would never protest a negative study about blacks the way they protest this one and many others) about blacks because it reasserts white superiority. They constantly need to be told that whites are better and that whites are superior. And that's what they believe. They've been socialized to believe it. Not all (I'm primarily talking about people who respond negatively to things like this study), but a good percentage believe these things and many aren't aware of it because these beliefs are apart of American culture. It has always been this way. Saying that blacks are good or better at anything is very threatening to white supremacy. And that's why you get responses like the ones in this thread. This is the state of this country.

• Things like mass shootings and disasters are so out of the ordinary that there is no way to quantify or test this theory. 20/20 also had the bogus report about how conservatives are so much more charitable than liberals. Of course that study was conducted by a conservative activist.

• R89, just because it counters institutional racism doesn't make it true. I just don't buy the methodology. Were soldiers and cops measured? What constitutes a crisis? Etc.

• Another recent one, r87. A black guy hears the cries of a little girl outside,. He looks throughbthe slats of a wooden fence and sees a man raping the little girl. The black guy climbs over the fence, stops the rape and apprehends the rapist.

• I think developing for thousands of years in Africa probably selected for people who helped others. That place is inhospitable in the extreme so it would make sense that a "caring" gene would come to the fore.

• [quote][R89], just because it counters institutional racism doesn't make it true Threatened much? Oh yes, I think so!

• R91, what I said stands and I'm not going to argue with you about it. I don't believe that your issue is with the methodology of the study, so please don't try to convince me of that. If the study demonized blacks you wouldn't question the methodology or anything else. I'm too well aware of how deeply rooted white supremacy is within this society to fall for that or to be that naive. Don't waste your time playing these games with me, I won't play along. You'll be arguing with yourself.

• I must say I am loving this thread, its good to see people stand up to the fuckery that goes unchallenged on DL.

• I would have said it was bullshit if it had said white people are 10 times more likely to be heroic. Just more bullshit social science from 20/20, the show that brought you John Stossel.

  R%2091

• It is junk science in a way, but I say the science experiment is right here in this thread. This thread alone should be studied by a sociologist.

• [quote]Maybe we should be talking about how so many of these mass murderers (are they spree killers?) are white men. Asians be going crazy y'all. VA Tech anyone?

• The deranged racists are freepers, not fairies.

• I'm mixed so maybe I wouldn't get it, but I don't understand why so many people are so insecure about this study. It is what it is. It's not an attack on White men, or White people. I'm taking this study with a grain of salt, but I will say that, when you've grown up seeing/dealing with/hearing/etc. horrible things, there is less fear factor, and sadly, black/Latino individuals tend to grow up in situations that are significantly less safe, we tend to have to take care of ourselves at earlier ages. There is more of that fighting instinct because Black and Hispanic individuals are most certainly disadvantaged in our society. Also, there is more of a "do for me, I'll do for you" bonding, IMO, with black/Latino people. At the end of the day, we stick up for each other, because we have to, and that's something that sticks with us. That's my opinion, but ultimately, we're all human. It's pathetic people would make such a big deal over anything regarding skin color, as if that matters any. That goes for people on all sides. It's sad.

  Francis

• It's true!!! In many Hollywood movies the black guy dies to save the white folk!

• Interesting, r56. I was also a female in the military and found the same to be true. All the he-man woman haters seemed to be white, while the black, hispanic, and asian males were a lot more welcoming. The black males, in particular, would tell other guys to lay off when they'd get out of hand with the women. My white male friends tended to keep their heads down and be quiet when someone hassled me.

• I forgot to add, that I've also had gay men and lesbians get my back in crazy situations over the years, too. I think there might be something to the underdog theory. We're okay upsetting the status quo, while straight, white males aren't prepared to rock the system that works so well for them.

  r102

• Whoops, that should have been r103.

• So 20/20's junk science is gospel so long as it is pro black? Another 20/20 study -

  http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DBZcp_wcDXec

• What R86 said.

• Thank you for thought-provoking posts, R101, R56, and R103/R104. All three of you back up your positions with poignant personal stories/rationales, (though R56 & R103/104's are also awful, and sadly unsurprising.)

• [quote] ABC's 20/20 Reports "In Crisis Situations, Black Men Are Eight Times More Likely To Make Heroic Acts Than White Men" Is it also true that black men are 13 times more likely to create crisis situations?

  Biracial%20guy%20here%20-%20couldn%27t%20resist%20-%20carry%20on.

• R108, it seems to me those examples have to do with the prevailing culture and sense of entitlement and power. That doesn't get into innate heroism.

• R80 = retard with a feces fetish

• [quote] The idea that one's skin color makes one "like this" or "like that" is a well traveled path in the US, and its one that never turns out good for minorities. No, not skin color, culture - which can be affected by skin color when the dominant culture is racist.

• Sure you are, R55.

• I'm mixed but look mostly white to most people and feel much more comfortable around black people than white peope. In general, I've found black people much more genuine and honest and to have your back in a crisis and white people to be backstabbing phonies. There are exceptions, of course, but if I had to choose, I'd always pick a black friend over a white one.

• The most widely-held stereotype in the world is that racists tend to be white men. Lots of you are living up to that cliche tonight.

• [quote]No, not skin color, culture I didn't realize black culture was monolithic.

• That story is almost exactly the same as what happened when that big,red headed white guy caught Jerry Sandusky raping a ten year old kid in the showers,r92. We all know what he did-he says he slammed the locker doors to make his presence known,looked into the eyes of both Sandusky and his child victim-and left!!! He did not beat the shit out of Sandusky,nor did he remove the kid from harms way. he ran away. I will never understand that! Right now on Dateline,they are interviewing a young black man and his father,who both risked their lives to save his son's(white)girlfriend-the father even threw his body across hers when the bullets were fired. That's a REAL man,a true hero.

• R116, only in Datalounge Land.

• 3 white guys died shielding their girlfriends.

  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aurora-shooting-died-bullets-sweeties-article-1.1119395

• White guys, if they attempt to save anyone but themselves, will do so for someone they know. Note, all the white guys in this instance saved their girlfriends...not strangers or other humans in need...but someone they knew.

• Ok for people saying White men are getting defensive, what about other stats that show that black men are more likely to commit violent crimes and murder? And more likely to rape? And more likely to have HIV/AIDs? And have lower IQs? Is it okay to start talking about these now?

• [quote]I'm mixed but look mostly white to most people and feel much more comfortable around black people than white peope. In general, I've found black people much more genuine and honest and to have your back in a crisis and white people to be backstabbing phonies. There are exceptions, of course, but if I had to choose, I'd always pick a black friend over a white one. Reverse "black" and "white" in your post and people would be calling you a racist.

• People are commenting r121 because it is something silly to get defensive over. It has nothing to do with your racist tripe.

• You and your friends always bring up those stats, r121. Don't act as though this is something new. As others have pointed out, any time something positive is said about blacks in relation to whites, it prompts your reaction of anger and blame. Right on cue.

• Fine then, black guys are more likely to be heroes, rapists and murderers. Sounds cool to me. How do they even measure this stat by the way? Is there some sort of hero registry that shows race?

• When I read this item, my first thought was "bullshit" too. Then I started thinking back, and although my own memories are by definition anecdotal and not a scientific study, I have a good bit of experience with dangerous, high stress situations, and I have to say I think it is true that black people in general are more likely than white people to come to the aid of a stranger. I am not talking about first responders who are trained to do so, but rather regular citizens who just jump into danger to help someone else they do not know. I saw a black guy stop his car on a bridge to help two cops save a white, homeless guy who was dangling over the ledge.

• What about the Chinks and Japs?

• [quote]I'm mixed but look mostly white to most people and feel much more comfortable around black people than white peope. In general, I've found black people much more genuine and honest and to have your back in a crisis and white people to be backstabbing phonies. There are exceptions, of course, but if I had to choose, I'd always pick a black friend over a white one. A few years back when I was knew to DL, someone posted that, based on his interactions with "friends" and colleagues, he'd resigned himself to the fact that white people are incapable of any form of meaningful loyalty. I've never forgotten that post because it rang so true to me.

• It's what I understand "soul" to be. A depth of feeling, loyalty, courage. I believe America is blessed to have so much African blood in the mix.

  P.S.%20Thanks%20for%20the%20music.

• R129, I'm in total agreement with you. Black people make America a better place. We may have issues on occasion, we may fight each other, but all-in-all they are a blessing to this country.

• "he'd resigned himself to the fact that white people are incapable of any form of meaningful loyalty" yeah tell that to all the colored children who have no idea who their father is.

• [quote]Okay, [R32], how do I have "less to lose"? Straight white men usually vastly overestimate their own importance and therefore value their life more compared to general welfare of the community.

• I am biracial, and agree with r128, even though my partner is caucasian. African American people are more blunt. If they don't like you, they let it be known. While this may be uncomfortable if you are disliked, it is a hell of a lot better than someone talking shit behind your back. I had a conversation with my partner's mother about the way she talks behind people's backs (including mine) and she said "I wouldn't say those things to someone's face because I don't want to hurt their feelings". It never occurred to her that she should say nothing, or talk to the person that she has a problem with. It seems that midwestern Caucasian people are worse with this mentality.

• I agree with r133. At work we have these factions of people who hate each other, but face to face you would think they were best friends. It is so fake and dysfunctional because they won't address the truth head on and face to face. Black people will let you know when they don't like you. which can be uncomfortable but honest.

• Some of you people are fucking idiots, what race is more likely to cheat on their fucking wives you moron?

• R129 and R 130, thank you. You've made me tear up. I am so used to reading the most awful things on this board about black people, I was shocked to see your comments. I've never been thanked in that way before.

  Black%20Southerner

• Black Southerner, I'm a gay whiteboy expat living in the whitest part of Europe. Black folks, their realness, kindness. and awesome culture are the only things I miss about America. A third big thank you.

• R136--It is sad that the bigots are so much more likely to speak up.

  R129

• Sending you a virtual breakfast feast of grits and grillades, salmon croquettes, cathead biscuits, and sweet iced tea with mint leaves. For dinner: virtual smothered pork chops or seven steaks, with candied sweet potatoes in rum-bourbon sauce, mustard greens, more cathead biscuits and sweet tea with a soupcon of bourbon added. Mama's virtual sweet potato-pecan pie for dessert. Don't worry, it's not set-your-teeth-on-edge sweet. Kisses!

  Black%20Southerner

• Yum. And calorie-free cause it's virtual.

• I agree with R136. One gets so used to reading about how horrible you are that it's shocking to read kind messages. It's nice to be reminded that there are kind people with good hearts who don't hate you for being born. Thank you.

• And I think that's really OP's reason for beginning the thread, but you know, it was provocative and not handled delicately. Sad that it has to be, but you see what happened.

• ...this must be why black males almost always fight ten on one. Heroes my a$$

  JC

• Ooooh, sweet potato pie sounds good right now.

  Dieting

• When the shooting cleared there were Black, White and Hispanic heroes, defined as those who put themselves at considerable risk for others, some sacrificing their lives. We can conclude a couple of things from the 20/20 report. It was meant to pursue an agenda, which is typical for all Network news, in this case the liberals, and it was premature as it assumed the hypothesis is correct and had been "proven". As a scientist, the actions of those in the theatre did not support this hypothesis. So, unless the "scientist" tells us his methodology and can prove with real scientific facts, then I am going to assume he is wrong. Even if he is right, it was wrong to show it. 20/20 showed this inappropriate piece to support its liberal bias and jumped to conclusions about the heroes in that theatre. Funny, but I did not see anyone else showing this tripe again.

• In a precursor to the ABC show, "What would you do?" 20/20 went to New [...], New York and staged a child kidnapping on a main shopping street. I don't know about white guys, but an Asian guy who witnessed a man grab a screaming kid, picked up his own kid and ran in the opposite direction. Then two young guys -- a black and a Latino -- saw what was happening and ran at the staged kidnapping with such force and rancor, the producers had to run out and point to the cameras. Those kids were going to take that kidnapper down. I remember an interview with an Army officer who was a bit befuddled about the young cadets entering West Point. Part of their warrior training is boxing, and he realized that none of his charges had ever been in a fight. We no longer allow our middle class kids to partake in fisticuffs, so there was a class full of cadets who would one day lead our armies in war ad they didn't have a clue about fighting. No one cares what poor kids do to each other so they are the only ones to leave their teens with a background in fighting, so have more confidence in themselves and in what they can do when a situation goes south. All men used to have this, but now only those middle and upper class men who go into the military learn it. Even then, most fall back on catty and feminine styles of battle, in the workplace and in public. It's not that they all lack courage, it is merely that they are being denied experience. Notice the military fellows had no problem jumping into protective mode that extended beyond themselves.

• That actually makes sense, r146. Perhaps it is a socioeconomic issue, rather than one of race, in this instance.

• Orange 5 Verified

• It would be interesting to see who funded this "study".

• Thats enough for me...NO MORE 20/20 for me and everyone else I talk to...it won't be hard...most are already sick of the media anyway..... almost no one listens to "main stream" media anymore... could they be any more obvious on how bought and sold they are?

• I have seen bravary(as it pretains to people outside of your immediate family many times performed by both white and black ) I am black . *People tend to think "what do i have to lose if i get involved? rich people sometimes are not willing to risk a lawsuit because of thier wealth? *You have to be a loving person who put others safety before your own. it is unfair to colorize heroism ; because white men and black men, ie good policemen, firefighters, and you everyday heros come in ALL COLORS. BRAVERY IS NOT A COLOR , we need to stop pitting white against black all the time .

  lana%20smit

• Black american men are incredible hypocrites they abandon their kids and community yet rush to save 'Miss Anne' ask any BM that you know, when was the last time he defended a Black woman or child? They hate their kids and women cause their fathers left THEM. Black america is a shit hole look at the men, their kids reflect the dysfunctional standards.