What really happened to Natalie Wood?
Did the Kennedy's murder Marilyn?
George Reeves, Superman curse, suicide or murder?
What are some of your favorites? Have any theories about what really happened?
Rosemary Kennedy. Still no one ever speaks of her?
Who raped Natalie Wood in the 50s? It was a famous American movie star, and many people have guessed it's Kirk Douglas--but was it?
How did the famous silent director Thomas Ince die on William Randolph Hearst's yacht? It was hushed up, but many think Hearst shot him in a jealous rage over Marion Davies.
Was sexy Marx Brothers co-star Thelma Todd murdered, as many have supposed? And if so, by who?
Who murdered famous silent film director William Desmond Taylor?
Who murdered the Black Dahlia?
Did "Superman" star George Reeves shoot himself, or was he murdered?
Did Lana Turner's daughter Cheryl Crane really stab her mother's mobster boyfriend Johnny Stompanato while protecting Turner during an argument between the two? Or did Lana really stab Stompanato herself, and have her daughter act as her cover?
Or were Lana Turner and Stompanato having rough sex, did her daughter misinterpret what was going on and kill him to save her mother?
The disappearance of Jean Spangler: Was Kirk Douglas responsible?
The accidental shooting death Russ Columbo.
The brutal murder of Ramon Novarro by those hustling Ferguson brothers.
The Fatty Arbuckle-Virginia Rappe scandal.
The mysterious drowning of Carol Wayne.
The mysterious disappearance of Sean Flynn & Dana Stone in Vietnam.
I knew it. I was right all along.
[quote]Rosemary Kennedy. Still no one ever speaks of her?
duh - own tuh fur-ghet meee
How and why did Ann Miller invent pantyhose?
When Claudine Longet shot and killed Spider Sabich and claimed it was an accident.
How do Adam Sandler movies keep getting made?
Whatever happened to AJ Benza?
Why does Hollywood protect Kirk Douglas if he committed those crimes? He's no longer making the studios money. What's holding Lana Wood back from talking? Is the Douglas family paying people to keep quiet?
What really happened to Natalie Wood?
---> She got drunk and fell in the water
Did the Kennedy's murder Marilyn?
---> No she was a notorious druggie. She used to doctor shop and she was known to take not only too many pills, but she took time release pills and crushed them so she'd get all the medicine at once.
There is ample evidence of her drug use. Hundreds of people say she openly and blatantly abused drugs. She didn't kill herself on purpose, she just miscalculated.
George Reeves, Superman curse, suicide or murder?
---> He was lonely and depressed, things like this happen
Did Kirk Douglas Rape Natalie Wood?
---> You can't rape a whore
Who murdered the Black Dahlia?
---> One of hundreds of unsolved murders. She was a whore? She used men for money? She was young and had waxed teeth because her own teeth were in such bad shape. She did drugs and she had no real permanent address at the time of her murder.
She lived from bed to bed. Not that that means she should've been killed, just that it isn't that surprising that she was.
Why they don't let Joyce DeWitt continue to make commercials for L'Eggs.
13 Every party needs a pooper.
Why did they cover up JFK and his bro RK murder?
"The brutal murder of Ramon Novarro by those hustling Ferguson brothers."
What's so scandalous about this case is that those assholes only spent a few years in prison - and then went on to commit rapes after getting out of prison! You know they only got light sentences because they killed a gay guy and people felt Novarro "deserved it." If they had gotten the life sentences they deserved they wouldn't have gone on to commit other crimes.
What really happened to Dorothy Kilgallen?
Did Charlie Sheen really shoot Kelly Preston? Or was it an accident, as they claim?
Natalie Wood? I think it's safe to say that it was an accident; she was blotto and fell into the water. Her drunk husband and co-star/maybe lover were having an argument and didn't hear her cries or if having heard them, thought they were a joke. It was a sad, awful way to go , especially since she had a lifelong fear of "dark water"
Supposedly Kirk Douglas raped her. Was that true? Who knows? But if it did happen, then it was just one of those things that happen in Hollywood that goes unreported and gets ignored. Cheryl Crane, daughter of Lana Turner, said she was repeatedly raped by one of her mother's lovers; she went to a doctor who examined her and determined that she had been so badly injured that she should have had stitches. Nothing was ever done about that either.
Marilyn? Oh God, the conspiracy theories about HER death are so ludicrous and unproven. In all likelihood she took too many pills and it finally killed her. But if you want to believe the stories there are plenty of them out there: the Kennedys had her killed, the Mob had her killed in order to ruin the Kennedys, her possessive psychiatrist killed her by giving her a chloral hydrate enema, which on top of all the other drugs she took unbeknownst to him, proved lethal. Take your pick.
George Reeves? There was something very fishy about his death, but whatever might really have happened got shoved under the rug.
The Black Dahlia? That murder was NEVER solved despite several awful books claiming to reveal the killer. "Daddy Was The Black Dahlia Killer" and "Black Dahlia Avenger" are two particularly putrid examples of terrible books on the subject. The murder was particularly horrifying, but the Elizabeth Short wasn't interesting at all. She was just a lazy, not very bright loser with vague dreams of becoming a movie star who hooked up with a monster
Did Charlie shoot Kelly? Sure, unless you believe that the gun accidentally fired. Duh!
[quote]What really happened to Dorothy Kilgallen?
Bennett Cerf had her killed because he really hated her.
Kirk Douglas is a total shit!
The Kilgallen death truly is an unsolved mystery, in spite of the ME report. She has always fascinated me.
I wish there was a more informed and more up to date bio out there than the Lee Israel one. Dorothy's children are all well into middle age by now. I'm surprised none of them have tried to reopen the case.
Bennett Cerf hated everyone.
r24 I wish there was more bio info out there too.
Why did the Manson family really slaughter the Sharon Tate bunch at Cielo Drive?
Who murdered Bob Crane?
Was it his friend, John Carpenter? Was it a jealous husband or boyfriend of one of Crane's sexual conquests? Was his soon-to-be-ex-wife involved?
R13, it's fine to be glib, but a woman who has sex isn't a whore, and Natalie Wood as a teenager wasn't running around having sex, in any event. Douglas was a vile man, and a rapist. Shut the fuck up on this one.
[quote]The mysterious disappearance of Sean Flynn & Dana Stone in Vietnam.
I don't think he disappeared in Vietnam. I believe it was Cambodia.
And, r29, i think they found their graves a few years back.
According to Wikipedia the grave turned out to belong to two other men.
Sean Flynn and George Hamilton were very close friends. They went to grade school and high school together.
Drug hit, r26
Charles Manson wanted to rub out Doris Day's son, who had rejected him for a record deal.
How does kristen stewart still get movie roles.??
Last week a report emerged that Natalie Wood’s official cause of death had been changed from an “accident” to “undetermined.”
I don't know why Kirk Douglas is protected. The story that he brazenly hired screenwriter Dalton Trumbo to write "Spartacus," even though the acclaimed author was one of the Hollywood Ten is false.
According to Trumbo's family and others involved in the production of "Spartacus," Douglas' claims and boasts are overblown; the actor was not, in fact, instrumental in getting Trumbo a screenwriting credit on "Spartacus," and had to be pushed and convinced to let it happen.
A woman who witnessed the 1968 assassination of Robert F. Kennedy says she has agreed to testify for Sirhan Sirhan's new defense team. I wonder how that will play out.
Why are people so convinced Kirk Douglas raped NW (and maybe killed some other people)? Based on what? I'm not saying he didn't but what are you guys basing it on?
Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski had the misfortune of renting the house of Doris Day's son Terry Melchor. Manson wanted to be a pop singer and Melchor sort of blew him off. Manson sent the gang to kill Doris Day's son and had no idea the house was occupied by others.
The whole Michael Jackson thing, his 'love' for kids, his addiction to plastic surgery, his weird death, and now his mom gone missing
Did Charles Grodin walk in on Beethoven humping a fire hydrant?
Why did Garbo stand-up John Gilbert?
What was the REAL reason Cukor was fired from GWTW? Was it because Selznick and Mayer made a secret deal and always intend to have Flemming direct? Or was it because Gable was humiliated knowing that Cukor knew about his gay for pay past?
Who killed Ronni Chasen and why?
R37, it's been a while since I processed it, so I'm probably a little rusty, but I think it was an actor who was also a producer at a time when that was reasonably uncommon (which fits Douglas) and one who was/is still alive (which rules out a ton of others!) Then there's the fact that she refused to work with him on any movie, notably The Devil's Disciple, for "personal reasons." On the flip side, there is a photo of them together (with dates or mates alongside) smiling, though she may have been suddenly caught in that scenario and just had to make the best of it.
Why hasnt Tatum O'Neal tweeted lately?
Every time I start to wonder why I continue to come here, threads like this one pop up out of nowhere. I love these old Hollywood threads (no I'm not even close to an elderday). I wish there was a separate section for old Hollywood so that I could avoid the rest of the board. With regard to the Black Dahlia, is it possible that the Cleveland Torso Killer had something to do with it?
What was the real deal at Roman Polanski's house? Was it rape? Did the mother send the girl in to get a part? How was Jack Nicholson involved?
OK, the Manson bad ship lollypop attacked Tate and Co. because of Abigail Folger. She was running drugs from Columbia with Folger's coffee and had soured on a deal with them.
No question, Marilyn was murdered. You don't commit suicide with enemas. I knew an acquaintance of Cyd Charisse, who was making that last movie with Marilyn, Something's Gotta Give. She told him she wsa murdered.
Cause Cyd Charisse would know ? That was Cyd's opinion. I believe she was murdered , yes, - but not cause Cyd said it.
Nick Adams - kind of like Marilyn's death. Believe it was ruled suicide, but anyone, and everyone, who knew him swears he was murdered. Think (king of all beautiful asses) Bob Conrad, was his best friend, and yet some spoke of Conrad being involved.
R35, Tatum is back in rehab again, for coke.
Could someone here refresh my memory on the Bruce Willis/ Nick Carter scandal. I read rumors here, but did Hollywood know and or react? Did Demi know or ever comment on the relationship? When I've brought it up to friends they don't believe me and say they've never heard about or read anything about the rumor. Is it a datalounge legend? Did Bruce Willis pay to hush the paps?
Seriously - What did really happen to A.J. Benza ? Drugs ? Is he an entertainment reporter on some local station ? He disappeared - anyone know ?
The Carol Wayne mystery is particularly interesting and mysterious.
Who was Carol Wayne?
Carol Wayne wad Johnny Carson's blonde sidekick in many of his Tonight Show sketches.
What happened to her?
No more, r56 / 58 / 60. You need to stop motherfucking bumping old threads that have the keywords dwarf, conjoined, ghost, etc. in them. STOP FUCKING UP THE BOARD BUMPING DOZENS OF OLD THREADS ABOUT THE SHIT YOU'RE OBSESSED WITH, YOU FUCKING DEGENERATE.
I FF'd every one of your god damn bumps, you dwarf-obsessed, board-spamming loser. I hope everybody else FF's you, too.
R61 = psychotic
R56/ r60 etc IS damn annoying.
Stop playing games and use google too.
r62 = the one who has bumped over 100 old threads this morning, trying to turn this site into his own personal midget spank bank, calling me psychotic for saying knock it the fuck off you board-flooding, selfish asshole.
R64 why the fixation on my interests? Why are you so offended by my having interests other than your own?
Quit being passive aggressive and acting like someone's attacking your precious interests. This is about you flooding the board with over 100 bumps of old threads at a site that only displays 600 posts. If you don't see why flooding is wrong and selfish, you're fucking hopeless.
It isn't about you having different interests. It's about you trying to hijack the site so everyone else has to read about your interests and only your interests, you jackass.
r66, no it isn't, but I'm sure the people in your daily life enjoy the way you invent malicious motives for their behavior to suit your paranoia.
No one is stopping you from reading anything you want to read, unless you're in China or North Korea and unable to Google.
Was Mae West really a man?
[quote]How did the famous silent director Thomas Ince die on William Randolph Hearst's yacht?
r67 is also r56 using another IP. He accidentally spoke in first person in the "most disturbing piece of literature" thread. So he's flooding and sockpuppeting, the little troll.
R70, I'm not sock puppeting. But you are dangerously paranoid. The world is not actually out to get you. Some of us just have more than one computer.
R68, there were two Mae Wests. Fraternal twins. One male, one female.
Carol Wayne was one of the only female comedians that I've ever found to be funny. Very talented and smart.
[quote]No more, [R56] / 58 / 60. You need to stop motherfucking bumping old threads that have the keywords dwarf, conjoined, ghost, etc. in them. STOP FUCKING UP THE BOARD BUMPING DOZENS OF OLD THREADS ABOUT THE SHIT YOU'RE OBSESSED WITH, YOU FUCKING DEGENERATE.
Let's give r61 a stroke
NATALIE WOOD WAS NOT A WHORE. WAS SHE? SHAME ON YOU! WHY YOU CALL HER A WHORE? SHE JUST DATED SOME MEN THAT DOESN'T MAKE HER A WHORE.
The late Michael Clark Duncan murdered, or enabled the murder, of Big E. Smalls.
He was Big's bodyguard, but took off the night of the murders. The hitmen knew exactly where Big would be in his car. Almost immediately thereafter, Duncan is getting meaty roles in feature films.
Do the math.
Major Hollywood mysteries:
The poisoning death of Olive Thomas
The death of Virginia Rappe
The unsolved murder of William Desmond Taylor
The unsolved murder of Thelma Todd
The unsolved murder of the Black Dahlia
The death of William Ince
The death of Paul Bern; murder or suicide?
The death of George Reeves; murder or suicide?
The unsolved murder of Bobby Fuller
The death of Natalie Wood
The death of Marilyn Monroe
The death of Bob Crane
The death of David Carradine
Why did they want Big E Smalls dead anyway?
The Paul Bern/Jean Harlow saga was very sad. On her wedding night, Jean left her home and arrived at her agent's house in severe pain. When he examined her, he found that she had been lashed with a cane so terribly that it affected her kidneys. Her back was ripped to shreds. Yet, even though she despised him, she went through with the reception the following day (standing far away from her husband) in order to keep everything quiet (Bern was the studio head's right-hand man). The agent said that on her wedding night, Bern (who had the genitals of a toddler) attempted to use a strap-on on his bride and she laughed at him. He shot himself. Harlow's Mom, a Christian Scientist, wouldn't allow Jean to see doctors over the years for her kidney problems and when they began to shut down and poison Harlow's system, Mama still wouldn't let the studio take her to the doctor . . . until it was too late to save her.
Natalie Wood was promiscuous but no whore. She didn't fall off the back of the Splendour, Dennis Davern, the captain, said recently. Wagner shoved her, she fell overboard, and he failed to save her. Davern also didn't explain why HE didn't save her himself. Wagner should be in jail. It's amazing he isn't.
George Reeves is a favorite and the other one I like is, did Burt Reynolds kill Sarah Miles boyfriend while filming, Man Who Loves Cat Dancing? I believe that kis her name, Sarah Miles?
All I remember is that A.J. Benza once said, "I don't think Keanu Reeves really likes girls."
That's about the last time I saw him.
I thought it was unspoken knowledge that Reeves was shot by his drunk, unstable gf during an argument??
It was believed that Big had Tupac Shakur murdered.
Duncan is sub an obvious "person of interest" I can't believe no one ever picked up on it. The timing, and what happened to his career right after, stinks to high heaven.
No. They said it was suicide but if you ever watched Hollywoodland (which is great) you know there was a mystery about his death and there are many questions.
There is not evidence that Robert Wagner shoved Natalie Wood and that she fell overboard because of that. Boat Captain, Denis Davern didn't say that Wagner shoved Natalie to the water. Davern just accused Wagner of having a fight with Wood before she went missing and delaying the search for her after she disappeared. Despite various theories about what led Wood to the water,t was impossible to know what happened.There are only two possibilities; either she was trying to get away from the argument, or she was trying to tie the dinghy. But the bottom line is that nobody knows exactly what happened.Coroner's officials said at the time that she was "possibly attempting to board the dinghy and had fallen into the water, striking her face."
Wood was found wearing a flannel nightgown, socks and a red down jacket, and Davern identified her body for authorities, according to an autopsy report. Her body had superficial bruises, according to the report, but those were considered consistent with drowning.
Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter said the agency hadn't been asked to do any additional investigation into Wood's case.
Wagner, star of the television series "Hart to Hart," wrote in his book that he blamed himself for his wife's death.
"Did I blame myself? If I had been there, I could have done something," he wrote. "But I wasn't there. I didn't see her."
Natalie Wood Case Reopened: Robert Wagner Not A Suspect, Sheriff's Dept. says.
Guys, stop being witch hunters. Robert Wagner is just a man who adored Natalie, otherwise he wouldn't have married her twice. If he had killed her, the most possible thing is that he would have confessed his crime because he would need the atonement...God, i mean he really loved her. It was a terrible accident, a bad moment that made unfortunately the difference. They had a fight, things got hot. Booze, jealousy, love hurts...everybody knows that anyway. I read that the captain of the boat Dennis Davern said about Wagner-Wood's arguement,'The only full sentence I could completely decipher during the entire argument was “Get off my f****** boat” said by Robert Wagner.' Davern claimed Wagner appeared 'sweaty, flushed, anxious, nervous, and disheveled' after realizing Wood had gone missing.
Davern wrote: 'He led me through the stateroom which was a mess ... it had been spotless when I passed through it after securing the dinghy a half-hour earlier.
'I immediately wanted to radio for help and to turn on the searchlight, but Robert Wagner told me, sternly, “We are not going to do that. We will wait and see if she returns.'
'While we waited, Wagner opened scotch and poured alcohol for me. He encouraged me to drink.
'He discussed with me the repercussions of bringing any immediate attention to the situation and he claimed he did not want to tarnish his image.'
This is a tragic story. Wagner was maybe partially guilty for Natalie's accident but he didn't kill her. His qualms to radio for help and to turn on the searchlight were criminal but he didn't realize that until he found out that his wife is dead. He was drunk and his jealousy led him to be angry and wait. However, when time began to pass dangerously away and still there were no news from Natalie, Wagner became alarmed and worried. He initiated then the search...it was just too late. Things have gotten out of control. Fate is irreversible when you can't discern the crucial points of your life and both Natalie and Robert were too drunk to realize that they overdid it. A heated arguement,two wounded prides and finally death.
He pushed her. He knew exactly what he did. He never paid for it. He killed her. Worse, he could've saved her and let her die instead.
"Newly unearthed audiotapes indicate Robert Wagner may have pushed girlfriend Natalie Wood off a boat and dithered while she drowned, CBS News reports. In a taped interview, Natalie's sister Lana Wood said she once received a call from Dennis Davern, captain of the boat on that fateful night in November 1981. "Dennis was obviously drinking" when he called, Lana says on the tape. "Dennis was not a close friend, and I don’t know why he decided to call me."
"He said it appeared to him as though RJ [Wagner's nickname] shoved her away and she went overboard. Dennis panicked and RJ said, ‘Leave her there. Teach her a lesson.'" According to Lana, Davern urged Wagner to take action, but he "kept drinking and kept drinking" and was in "a foul mood." Still, "it was an accident," says Lana. Davern has already accused Wagner of failing to look for Natalie after she went overboard, and a coroner has updated her death certificate from "drowning" to "drowning and other undetermined factors."
How can YOU be so sure that HE killed her? Were you there? I find your confidence about what happened that night somehow over the top. You can't put the blame on someone just because you dislike him and you seem to loathe Wagner. First of all,you the same wrote that Davern didn't stated that he actually saw Robert to shove Natalie, he just said that it appeared to him AS THOUGH RJ shoved her away. Get your facts together!Don't alter what he said to what you want to believe. Davern wasn't sure. Davern only made an ASSUMPTION. He felt guilty because they didn't search immediately for Natalie and that's maybe why he felt the need to put the blame on Wagner, because he heard him and didn't search for Woood as soon as they had to do. Yes, ok Wagner made a mistake, but he didn't do it on purpose. Had he knew that Natalie would end up dead he would immediately change his mind about waiting, and look after her on the spot. It was a nasty accident. If Robert Wagner was guilty, he couldn't be open and speak about his relationship and life with Natalie in his book, he would just shut the fuck up and do anything else but that. You also wrote that ''a''coroner has updated her death certificate from "drowning" to "drowning and other undetermined factors." A coroner only! You didn't mention the rest coroners that must have examined the body, cause you can't believe that the death of NATALIE WOOD would have been examined only from one coroner! If there was suspicion against Wagner, the case would have taken another direction and you know it. There was not evidence against him even when they reopened the case. Now the case is closed again because nobody can know for sure what happened,there are not irrefutable arguments for that night, only vague impressions. That's not enough for putting the blame on a man. Wagner himself feels guilty about what happened to his wife. In his autobiography, he recounted the final time he saw Natalie– and how he felt, he felt guilty he did nothing to save her.
'Yes, I blamed myself,' the actor wrote in his 2009 book, Pieces of My Heart. 'If I'd been there, I could have done something. I wasn't, but ultimately, a man is responsible for his loved one.
"Information gathered by a renewed investigation into actress Natalie Wood's 1981 drowning death has persuaded the Los Angeles coroner to remove "accidental" from her death certificate, a detective said.
Now. Why. Do. You. Think. They. Did. That?
William Shatner's wife's drowning in the pool.
He probably was involved, R91. Same thing with the Sharon Tate murder.
I think Wagner was involved in Woods death but don't celebraties always get away with this kind of shit? Yes, always.
There are many sources and scenarios about Natalie Wood's death. If the evidence was irrefutable, then i would pay attention to your dark suspicions. However that's not the case. Nobody is guilty until it's proven that they are guilty. There is not proof, only suspicions and vague impressions. Stop witch hunting Robert Wagner. He is 82 years old ffs! Why all this gall?
[quote]He is 82 years old ffs! Why all this gall?
Because, Miss St. John, he's a killer!
I rest my case! Is that all you got?
Holy fuck, r76. I didn't know that.
That's some bullshit right there.
Mind you, from what I've read about that case, he didn't have much choice. There were some heavy hitters involved.
I first read about it re: the Rampart scandal.
r84, Biggie wasn't the one ordering hits with a violence rep. That went a little higher up the food chain.
Granted, he was a dope dealer, but you know what I mean.
[quote]OK, the Manson bad ship lollypop attacked Tate and Co. because of Abigail Folger. She was running drugs from Columbia with Folger's coffee and had soured on a deal with them.
I'd always read that the murders were drug hits, but the people were just really behind, not involved in the trade.
Then the question is who hired Manson.
[quote]William Shatner's wife's drowning in the pool.[/quote]
No way he did that one. He's not that good an actor.
Everything R79 sais derives from a completely discredited biography of Harlow by Irving Shulman. NONE of it is true, but even Shulman didn't say her back was "ripped to shreds."
Jean Harlow's kidney problems began when she caught scarlet fever as a summer camp when she was a kid and they steadily failed as the years went on. Back in those days nothing could be done for that kind of illness.
I've been reading a biography of Pete Duel, the only one out there that I know of, by Paul Green. Oh boy, was HE ever fucked up! No one who was a fan of his could have ever imagined how messed up he was; alcoholic, a depressive (he may have been bi-polar, but was never diagnosed as one), with a mild case of epilepsy. His screen persona was that of a breezy, handsome guy with a good sense of humor and a relaxed, easy-going manner. But he was pretty much the total opposite in real life, although people who knew him said that he could be very charming and sweet.
He had rather questionable taste in women. The nutty Judy Carne and he were lovers briefly. He had a fairly serious relationship with the wack-a-doo Kim Darby for a while. In the book she tells you more than what you would want to know about their sex life; pretty tacky. And she bizarrely gifted him with a yellow baby sweater because she "thought we would have children together." His last girlfriend was a hachet-faced secretary named Dianne Ray. She was there in the house when he killed himself with a gunshot to the head. She always claimed he went into another room and did it, but some people think her story was kind of fishy. Anyway, after his death she wrote out a list of possessions that she assumed she would be getting after his death, like his Volkswagon convertible (she didn't get it, although she did manage to get his guitar). He had WEIRD taste in women.
He was a talented, good-looking, successful young actor...and he considered life so unbearable that he had to end it. He had his problems like anyone else, but why did he have to go to that extreme? Now THAT is a mystery.
"One of hundreds of unsolved murders. She was a whore? She used men for money? She was young and had waxed teeth because her own teeth were in such bad shape. She did drugs and she had no real permanent address at the time of her murder."
You're perpetuating incorrect, sensationalized myths about Elizabeth Short (The Black Dahlia). She was not a prostitute and was not homeless. She lived in an all-women rooming house. Back then, women could spend time with men, dancing and dining and having the nighht paid for, without being prostitutes. And there is NO evidence that she did drugs, are you crazy? Did you make this up?
And as for "waxed teeth," she carried around a candle and filled in hercavities because she was too poor for a dentist, or too disinterested in taking care of herself. What was really going through her head was a mystery.
Thank you BD enthusiast at r106. Fuck, you only need to watch about one show about her to see that she was a girl who "dated for her dinner" as many women did back then, so they could literally eat, but not a whore and didn't deserve what happened to her.
Does anyone here know about the Ann Prentiss case? I was shocked to read that she died in prison. I think she tried to have her father and her brother-in-law, Richard Benjamin, murdered.
What really went on between 14-year-old Molly Ringwald and 45-year-old Warren Beatty? He later produced "The Pickup Artist" for her, when she was in her early 20s.
What really killed Robert Walker, and was it really "accidental"? I read that he was having a violent episode, and the doctor injected him with sedatives (against his will) to calm him down. I also read that Walker was already passed out when the doctor gave him the drugs. Walker supposedly pissed off some powerful people, for instance, David O. Selznick, who Walker badmouthed for "stealing" his wife, Jennifer Jones (though it was more like Jones "went out to buy cigarettes" and never came back), and John Ford, whose daughter was severely beaten by Walker on their honeymoon.
When did I have CORN?
Why didn't someone show Lucy what she looked like after the first day of filming "Mame."
[quote]The death of David Carradine
If you're questioning whether or not [quote]The death of David Carradine
I don't think he was murdered.
I think he really did die of auto asphyxiation.
Did you see the pic of him hanging from the door?
Uh no, r113, but I would love to, link please!
I don't believe the Kennedys had anything to do with Marilyn's death. She accidentally overdosed.
HOWEVER, having said that, I believe her death WAS extremely convenient for them. JFK had at least one sexual encounter with MM, and she was proud of it. She bragged about it to her "friends". She was becoming a serious embarrassment to JFK.
When she died he was probably very relieved.
Reading about this subject even as I type this
r115 Do you see anything about the necrophilia with her? I heard everyone in the Palm Springs crowd had her way with her after she died. I mentioned it years ago to friends and they think I am gross and they have never heard it. Just wondering if others have, you guys are like me so you may have.
R55 - The last time I remember seeing A.J. Benza on anything was when he was working on the Howard Stern show. He was fired when he slapped Stuttering John. I think this was back in 2000 or 2001. Anyway, the show was also airing on E! at the time and he became persona non grata there as well.
I have no idea what happened to him after that.
It's kind of sad that I even know this much.
Lol..Benza..what a tool. Didn't he get punched out by Chuck Zito on Howard also? He was so smarmy and annoying but I guess he was perfect for that show and I do miss it.
You put blocks and permanent PT on huge chunks of the US and Europe, preventing countless innocent people from posting...
Yet here I am. You will never be rid of me.
You've ruined DL.
R116, I've heard that, too, but only from DL.
But I absolutely believe it. There are definitely some sick, pathetic losers who would fuck a fresh corpse, especially a famous or beautiful one.
r120 really? See I had never read that here so I have a few sources now if people here have said that too. Interesting. I wouldn't doubt it either, I mean she wasn't mangled or anything and yes, she was very famous. Wow.
R79. The Bern/Harlow scandal has always interested me...and then Jay Sebring (slaughtered by Manson's crew) was living in the Harlow house when he was murdered.
I also read when Sharon Tate stayed at Sebring's house, she saw the bloody and battered ghost of Bern - a foreshadow of what was to come for her
I heard Bern was impotent. The genitals of a toddler would explain that. Why the heck did Harlow marry him?
All suicides and overdoses seem suspect to me. Heath Ledger od's in his 20's but Keith Richards has been an addict for like 60 years? How does that work?
Keith Richards has money and people who are invested in keeping him alive. A lot of heroin junkies look shitty and end up dying not from the drugs themselves but from the lifestyle (hooking, stealing, living a vagrant life) Keith has people that can procure his drugs and they are probably always the same strength. People like Chris Farley who were used to stepped on dope can easily overdose when they get the real deal. I'm not saying that some od's aren't suspect but Keith has been doing this shit for a long time, Heath was amateur hour.
Eldon from Murphy Brown. His girlfriend "killed herself" and then he overdosed 2 years later.
Vaudeville, Broadway and Hollywood mystery?
Was Mae West really a man?
Who REALLY framed Roger Rabbit?
Bump for a fascinating thread
Like so many other talented hopefuls in Hollywood in the 1940s, Jean Spangler wanted to be a star. Sultry and big-eyed, the statuesque 27-year-old brunette had eked out a precarious living as a dancer and a bit player in movies and on TV while she waited for that one big break, that one part that would get her noticed and launch her screen career.
On October 7, 1949, Jean got the part that would make her famous, but it was not in any movie.
A divorcee, Jean lived in a house in the Wilshire District of Los Angeles with her mother, her brother, her sister-in-law, Sophie, and her five-year-old daughter Christine. At five p.m., Jean kissed Christine goodbye and told her sister-in-law that she was going to meet her ex-husband, plastics manufacturer Dexter Benner, to talk about an increase in child support payments. After that, she was going to work on a night shoot for a new film. "Wish me luck," she said, winking and left.
When Jean failed to come home the following day, a distressed Sophie went down to the Wilshire Division of the LAPD and filed a missing persons report. The police took down the details, but knew that the young starlet was probably just out on a fling and would probably show up in a day or two. They had not even put her name on the police teletype as a missing person. The following day, an alarmed employee at Griffith Park reported finding Jean Spangler’s purse near the Fern Dell entrance to the park.
Investigators converged on the scene and what they found sparked one of the biggest manhunts in LAPD history. The purse’s double handles had been ripped off at one end, intimating the possibility of violence but it was the note inside the purse, written in Jean’s hand, that intrigued the detectives even more. It read: "Kirk – Can’t wait any longer. Going to see Dr. Scott. It will work out best this way while mother is away…"
Except it was proved that the "Kirk" referred to was not Douglas, but someone else - a doctor, I think.
Megan Abbott's "The Song is You" is a fictionalized account of the Jean Spangler case (with a really good "solution"), but it's extremely well-researched.
How in the world did [bold]Avatar[/bold] become the highest grossing movie of all time? It's the most boring shit I've ever seen.
[quote]Eldon from Murphy Brown. His girlfriend "killed herself" and then he overdosed 2 years later.
Eldon and Murphy has some great scenes together. Their comic timing was perfect along with their actions and reactions. A great team!
Was actress Alice Brady really a man in drag?
Alice won the Best Supporting Actress Oscar in 1937 for "In Old Chicago." At the ceremony, her name was called, a man came out and accepted the award without a word and stepped into the night, never to be seen again.
r124 - Keith hasn't been on heroin for 30+ years. His theory why it didn't kill him in the 70s is because the H was much purer back then, at least the stuff he used.
He's still a medical marvel; at 70, he's a chain smoking, dope smoking alcoholic. And he says he only gave up coke after he had his brain injury in 2006.
Is it true that Henry Cavill is BI?
Re the Manson murders - they were after Candice Bergen's boyfriend who was living at the house prior to Tate. Manson didn't know about the change of owners.
I liked the Alice Brady scandal, but CDAN really built it up to be a while big thing. It was a letdown to read the "reveal."
I spent all afternoon last weekend watching Mysteries and Scandals on Youtube.
R 137: what was the "reveal"?
[quote]I think Wagner was involved in Woods death but don't celebraties always get away with this kind of shit?
Most of the time, they do get away with it.
It's a well known fact that Abigail Folger was a drug dealer running drugs from Colombia in Folger's coffee. She screwed the Manson gang on a drug deal and they took their revenge!
That Folgers theory has been around for years. It's been discounted by investigators.
I read a lot of books at this time of year, before tax season cranks up, requiring 12+ hour workdays. This year, my theme of interest seems to be Los Angeles historical crime...
I've just finished Manson, the new biography by Jeff Guinn. After reading Helter Skelter I knew that Manson told The Family that they needed to start a race war that would culminate with black people taking over America. Charlie preached that he would take The Family underground during this race war, and would re-emerge to be chosen by the "black man" to run society. Charlie used the Bible and the Beatles lyrics to substantiate these wild claims.
But after reading the new and very detailed biography, I have a much deeper understanding of Charlie. I now believe that Charlie was trying to stay out of prison for his murder of a black biker ("Lotsapoppa"). He also wanted to deflect attention from himself and Bobby Beausoleil for the murder of Gary Hinman. He wanted the police to blame all of this violence on the "black man" to shift it off of himself. Of course he was also bitter about the lack of music career, and as a cult leader he was starting to lose face with some of the hippies who joined his movement. I now realize that the whole Helter Skelter story was one that Charlie didn't even believe...it was a story intended to keep his followers focused and dependent on him. And for someone who preached about love, Charlie was certainly a flaming racist and misogynist.
He spent years in prison as a young man, and along the way took Dale Carnegie courses and also studied Scientology a bit, later using these skills to influence The Family. He dreamed of being a pimp, always buddying up to pimps in jail to get their advice. But when he was finally released from prison, it was the Summer of Love, and girls were just giving it away. There was no need for pimps, so Charlie had to dream up a new game.
I recommend the book highly. Also the joke was on Charlie, because Lotsapoppa actually survived Charlie shooting him and was able to give testimony about it.
Now I am reading the Black Dahlia book published in 2006, and am nearly at the part where the author proves his point about who did it. Basically LA was rife with corruption, and the police and the media conspired to hide facts about the case. The author (Donald Wolfe) had an inside track because his stepfather was the attorney for Bugsy Seigal and was the "bag man".
I am about to start reading the chapter regarding the juicy autopsy secret, and the author's conclusion, so I won't speculate on that.
But the 40's era LA in the book is what fascinates me most....the local TV station only aired programs three hours each day, so the newspapers were king back then, published twice daily with "extras" issued when a story was big. There were five big newspapers viciously competing in LA back then, and the reporters actually ran down leads to get the scoop and informed the police of their evidence.
The Thelma Todd murder is also discussed in the book, with pictures. Also a gruesome picture of Bugsy after being shot in the left eye while he relaxed on his couch, reading The Examiner.
It's all connected apparently. And the police and the news organizations didn't want any of this to come out, since the guys at the top were on the take.
It's all fascinating. Donald Wolfe also wrote a book about Marilyn's last days, that I may read if I have time before the end of the year.
PS I love my local library.
Yup R143, libraries are fabulous.
Any more goss on Mae West being a man or the jetset defiling Marilyn after death?
r143, I read that book on the Dahlia, and the conclusion makes a lot of sense. It's not definitive, but it is certainly probable, especially given the corruption of the era.
The Manson murders were drug hits. Both of them. Everyone focuses on the Tate murders because of the names, but the LaBianca killings are the key to the case.
Folger didn't screw Manson's crew on a deal, he was hired by the biker related people then behind the drug trade.
This angle was never fully pursued because there were too many famous and/or politically connected names involved, both as users and those complicit with dealers.
Author Lois Banner passes on the rumor that Marilyn was drugged, beaten, and gang raped by mobster Sam Giancana & his henchmen at the Cal Neva Resort just weeks before her death. I've never heard any necrophilia stories.
Here's one for you: Roman Polanski was involved in Sharon Tate's murder. Probably not there physically, but was involved. I think there's a good chance the baby Tate was carrying was not Polanski's. She was ritually murdered.
During World War II (at least) Charles Laughton hung out at the bath houses in San Diego. His flunkies would approach sailors on the street and ask them if they would like to meet Laughton.
I was told this by one of the sailors who was approached. He didn't accept the invitation.
AIDS was rampant in the gorilla population, and Africans had sex with them.
What's the real story behind Sal Mineo's death?
How did William Holden really die?
Don't think he was drunk & fell & hit his head in the shower
R154, There's no mystery with Sal Mineo's death. Well, the only "mystery" existed in the minds of heteros who didn't understand that Sal was gay.
Who framed roger rabbit?
Do you think that Bob Crane was killed by his best buddy, John Carpenter?
By the way, have you seen the biopic 'Auto Focus'? Greg Kinnear plays Bob Crane and Willem Dafoe John Carpenter.
In the movie, it is clearly implied that John Carpenter killed Crane. Spooky...
Whenever Crane was in town on tour, Carpenter would visit and the two of them would hit bars and nightclubs to pick up women. They would then return to Crane's apartment to videotape themselves having sex with different women. Crane was Carpenter's ticket to different women. According to some published sources, Bob wanted to end his friendship with Carpenter, because Carpenter allegedly made a pass at Crane.
The way he was killed was shocking. Someone had entered the apartment during the night, and had crushed Crane's skull, apparently with a (missing) camera tripod. His face was so badly beaten, he was unrecognizable. After killing Crane, the killer had tied an electric cord around his neck. Occupants in the neighboring apartments had heard nothing. Police would later remark, 'It was a well planned murder.'
Crane was a light sleeper, and there was no forced entry, so it was assumed that Crane knew the killer. There was also a bottle of Scotch on the table, and Crane never touched Scotch.
The examiner also discovered flaky, white dry material around his groin, probably jizz. This led police to believe that either Crane had jerked off before bed, or after murdering Crane, his killer had jerked off over the body.
R162, Or the killer had sex with him and then killed him to prevent people ever finding out he was gay. Lots of the homosexual serial killer types start out that way, pick up a hitch hiker, have sex with them and then strangle them so nobody will ever learn of their same-sex yearnings. Same thing with Gacy.
R163, yes, you are right on that. Anyway,i believe that Carpenter killed him and that it was Carpenter that jerked over Crane's body before or after killing him...
It is said that Crane wanted to end their friendship and that in general he wanted to change his lifestyle.
Carpenter couldn't take that. Crane was Carpenter's ticket to sexual orgies, he was addicted to that kind of fun and he didn't like it that Crane wanted to abstain from him and from that.
It is also implied that Carpenter was probably bisexual (or gay), but he was in the closet...
The police officers at the crime scene noted that John Henry Carpenter called the apartment several times, and did not seem surprised that the police were there, which raised suspicions. Carpenter's rental car was impounded and searched; several blood smears were found that matched Crane's blood type. DNA testing was not available at that time.
Crane was killed by a camera tripod. Should i remind you that he and Carpenter videotaped themselves having sex with different women and that Carpenter was a video equipment salesman?
R159, Yes, Carpenter killed him. He had blood and even a piece of fat in his car. Carpenter was bi and wanted to have sex with Crane but Crane was straight and he broke off the friendship. Feeling slighted Carpenter killed him.
Fatty Arbuckle was actually innocent. He was acquitted but crucified in the papers. Virginia Rappe did not die from being raped with a Coke bottle as the newspaper reported. She in fact died form alcohol poisoning. Another lie told was that Arbuckle crushed her to death having sex with her because he was so fat. Poor Arbuckle died penniless and forgotten. Right before this incident he had just signed a million dollar contract and went out the window over this crap. He went from janitor to movie star and then lost it all over false accusations. Everyone who knew him said he was a wonderful guy. Really sad.
R164, I agree completely. Carpenter was probably not gay as he had sex with countless women but was probably bi. I can't believe he was acquitted.
I bet that Crane probably insulted grossly. Carpenter, before Carpenter decided to kill him. People don't just kill you because you want some space and because you want to revalue your life.
Only schizos would do that and Carpenter wasn't a schizo...
I don't say that Crane deserved to die, don't get me wrong, it was horrid what happened to him, but his behavior was very provocative and insolent.
R168, I agree. Especially if Carpenter hit on him then I can see Crane calling him every gay slur in the book and threatening to out him.
R166, that's bullcrap. Fatty killed Virginia.
Virginia Rappe's manager Al Semnacker accused Arbuckle of using a piece of ice to simulate sex with her, which led to the injuries.
In fact, witnesses testified that Arbuckle rubbed the ice on Rappe's stomach to ease her abdominal pain. Rappe died one day after her hospitalization of peritonitis, caused by a ruptured bladder.
Maybe Fatty was a nice guy when he was sober. But some nice guys, when they are drunk can be wicked MONSTERS. Fatty was very drunk when that happened.
About Marilyn Monroe,
I always thought she was murdered because there were no dye or traces of pills in her stomach. When you take pills, especially enough to kill yourself, the dye in the capsules will stain your stomach and intestines. The pills Marilyn took were bright yellow. So they would have left yellow marks.
So for years I thought she was murdered and I thought that someone had held her down and given her a suppository or drug enema. However, all that changed when I did research and realized that the cover-up is that she actually died about 4 hours before her official time of death. The house keeper admitted that there were 2 ambulances called to the house that night. The first was around midnight, when she actually died. The second was circa 4am when they staged the scene. The cover-up was because Bobby Kennedy was there when she died and to avoid scandal they had to hide all evidence and stage the scene.
So now I do believe it was suicide. Marilyn was naïve and actually thought that Bobby was going to leave his wife for her. She also thought Jack would as well.
So the staining which would prove suicide is not going to be there for hours and it will eventually go away. So that explains why no trace was found in her stomach. Since the scene itself was staged that explains why there were problems with it. When they found Marilyn she was probably all sprawled out and had vomited and shat herself, which OD victims usually do, which explains why the house keeper was washing the sheets that early in the morning.
At trial experts testified that she suffered from severe UTIs and had untreated STDs. I believe there was one witness who testified that she was told not to drink alcohol because it could further damage her bladder. She was not a healthy woman and she was not raped.
Since I messed up, let me try again.
At trial experts testified that Virginia Rappe suffered from severe UTIs and had untreated STDs. I believe there was one witness who testified that she was told not to drink alcohol because it could further damage her bladder. She was not a healthy woman and she was not raped.
R172 there's no way of knowing this. Records can be changed.
Maybe you are right, R172. But, i still have my doubts about Fatty's 'innocence'.
I'm convinced that he played some part to her death, more or less.
A woman's vagina doesn't lead to her bladder. If Fatty raped her, which I do not believe, he would have had to have done so via the urethra. There is no way in the world his penis was that big to damage her bladder. Instead the damage would be concentrated in her urethra. So far I've never heard any evidence to indicate her urethra was damaged.
However, it is possible for women to die of UTIs. My grandmother almost died from one. The doctor told us that if we had waited another day before taking her in she would have died.