I do too R1. I've just watched Romancing the Stone and she is an amazing, beautiful woman.
She's kind of cool. As a youngster I got her autograph at a play and she stood there for a long time asking what I thought and what other plays she wanted to do etc.
I used to love her, but all she really does these days is shitty movies (Baby Geniuses?!).
Turner is what they used to call, "a good ol' broad."
I recently met her, if you can believe it. Friendlier than I expected, but still kind of and old school Hollywood bitch. In the best possible way.
A Hollywood bitch how R7?
I've always adored her too.
She will always be Matty Walker (Mary Ann Simpson) to me. The only other movie I've seen with her was Romancing the Stone and that was good.
When I met her she was very theatrical (which I enjoyed)...kind of like Diane Wiest in Bullets over Broadway.
She's unique, special. I like her too, always have.
Love her. Due for a big comeback, too.
Knew her when we were at Mo State University in Springfield. Back then it was called Southwest Mo State. John Goodman was there at the same time. Kathleen pretty much kept to herself and many thought she was stuck up. I think she was focused on acting and what she wanted to do after leaving school. Had very short hair. Went by the name Kathy. You don't dare call her that now. Had the most beautiful legs. Did mostly plays. Was in the chorus of the musicals 'George M!' and "Sweet Charity" but not much of a singer. Her mother still lives in Springfield and Kathleen will go back and occasionally teach a master class at the school. I loved her in "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof" and "The Graduate." Also saw her in "Indecretions" but all I remember about that was that strange spiral staircase center stage. Oh, and Jude Law's nude scene LOL. Thought she deserved the Tony for Martha in "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?" Maybe her upcoming production of "The Killing of Sister George" will transfer to Broadway and she will have another shot at winning a Tony.
I used to like her more, but I find her voice a real limitation for stage work - that plus her weird phrasing make her kind of exhausting to watch now.
Like Tallulah Bankhead, but not as interesting.
Crazy, fairly horrible person. Knew her in Hollywood. Once famously said that when she walks into a restaurant looking her best, any man who doesn't ogle her must be gay. Also described herself as "ferociously intelligent" to a director friend of mine when she was turning down a role that might have saved her career.
She is my hero.
I've loved her since The Doctors. She talked to me and my bf for 15 minutes after a preview performance of Indiscretions. ("So what did you think, boys?") Just watched her in "The Perfect Family" last night ... unlike R15, I think her voice is fantastic.
I think she'd be a hoot to have drinks and dinner with. I bet she holds nothing back and would spill all the good stuff from her career.
"Serial Mom" alone makes her a goddess in my book.
I've told this story before...she transferred to UMBC (my alma mater) for the final couple years of college, which she doesn't really talk about much. Made the papers for a production of "Steambath" as an undergrad, in which she was topless. I think her performance in "Serial Mom" was outstanding; she and Sam Waterston had a wonderful, weird chemistry.
She said this in an interview in NY Magazine while Elizabeth Taylor was still alive:
"Part of my mission in life is to correct Elizabeth Taylor’s performances."
What role did she turn down R16?
She trashed her time on The Doctors in her book.
Said the scripts were garbage and the only way she could justify her character, was perhaps she was a drunk, so that is how she played the character.
She had nothing but disgust for The Doctors.
Love her. I'd like someone to cobble together a cast for "The Kathleen Turner Show."
Is she a good stage actress? Can she be a character other than KT?
R6 has it correct. I met her as she was coming out of a taxi in NYC. She flung open the door and when the door came back at her, her foot flew out in a pink neon flip flop and she stop the door in its track. I watched her move along and she is very much a "broad".
Saw her in Virgina Woolf was not impressed with her at all on stage nor was I impressed with her virgina. She has nothing over Liz Taylors performance in Virgina Woolf.
No even remotely bright person, however humorless, refers to himself/herself as "ferociously intelligent."
...and I love her personally and professionally. She is a wonderful woman to be around and a great (if mannered) actress.
R14 and R20\tDid she have that unique accent back then? I bet she didn't.
He's tremendous! Best drag queen eva!
She was playing Martha, R27, and she was terrific. Taylor's movie version was inferior in every way.
R27, I wasn't impressed with her virgina either.
She's my dad.
Adore her. Love her in Romancing the Stone, Peggy Sue Got Married, and so many other movies.
I always thought she was a real phony. I remember for a while she would speak with a real put on Spanish accent. Real phony for sure. She ain't all that.
Glug "rheumatoid arthritis" glug glug?
In the '80s, she had the best career out of any film actress (yes, including Saint Meryl). I adore her. She should've won the Oscar for Peggy Sue Got Married.
Is she fat from the meds, the alcoholic bloat or both?
My guess is the meds.
She's had rhuematiod (sp?) arthritis for about 20 years now and that's what caused her to gain weight and look older, and of course the drinking added to it. She's a great broad, in the best sense of the word.
I recently re-watched 'Body Heat' and it still holds up wonderfully. What a great movie! And Kathleen and William Hurt were smoking hot back then.
Ugh. Just the sound of that name makes me want to vomit.
My favorite actress of the '80s, no contest, never left NYC or might've had longer career.
You young unsgo find "Crimes of Passion" and watch it -- and then ask yourself what name actress today would take that kind of risk. She was a kick and quite beautiful in her prime.
(And, yes, see also "Body Heat", "Serial Mom", "Peggy Sue..."... even her one scene in the "Marly" movie is pretty damn funny. And of course as the transi dad on "Friends" (the only way the young ones know her).
Phony or not, she was a great Bacallesque movie star. don't make 'em like her anymore.
I read an interview Kathleen did a while back and she said people come up to her and ask her to leave the outgoing voicemail message on their cell phones. They usually want a Serial Mom line ("cocksucker residence," etc.) and Kathleen said she is happy to oblige. She thinks it's all great fun.
That right there makes me love her.
Varla Jean Merman tells a story about being meeting KT at an event, and KT being very complimentary and pleasant. Then someone requested photos of the two of them - still fine - but when Varla put her hand on Kathleen's shoulder for the photo, Kathleen bristled and said something like, "Don't touch me - I don't even KNOW you."
Kathleen Turner has no subtext.
She has a great voice and a fair amount of onstage charisma, but she can only manage one emotion at a time, and her stage performances are, in my estimation, competent.
The revival of VIRGINIA WOOLF in which she starred with an equally uninteresting Bill Irwin had the unlikely effect of making you think the play was never all that good in the first place.
And it's one of my three favorite plays, so.
I was in a fancy schmancy restaurant in NYC and the quiet was pierced by her honking, weezy laugh. She looked like she was having a ball at her table. All of her dining companions were men.
She does a lot of work with Planned Parenthood. I think her arthritis is in remission and she's starting to work a lot more now.
Her 80's filmography is terrific. Great performances. Meryl could never do a CRIMES OF PASSION or ROMANCING THE STONE.
The only true misfire in that decade was SWITCHING CHANNELS.
Worked with her on a Charles Busch play called "The Third Story" about 5 years ago. She was very unhappy working on a new play that Charles kept rewriting as we were in rehearsals and previews - she couldn't remember what lines were in or out - major retention problems. So everyone else in the company had to help her along to make sure the piece flowed.
Also, she has foot problems because of the RA, so she can't wear heels anymore and can't walk very quickly, which was DEATH to the play's pacing and staging. She knew she wasn't very good in the play (her agent told her to do it - "Busch is like SERIAL MOM onstage" which of course it wasn't) and got poor reviews, as did the play itself.
At the closing night party, she was nasty to Charles and the company - not friendly or apologetic. Of course we later learned she'd gotten the VIRGINIA WOOLF revival while we were running and she couldn't wait to leave us and go do a "GOOD play" (as she told her dresser, we later learned).
So she can suck it and rot in hell.
That bitch tried to get me fired. C*nt.
Perhaps the story is true, but Turner is known for refusing candid photos, all the way back to Cat on a Hot Tin Roof.
The RA has really left her hands, feet and joints a total mess. Watch her wear sandals. Or watch how she stands - like a sumo wrestler. Poor thing took a serious beat-down from that stuff.
Regarding her accent, a friend did tell me that her dad was in the foreign service and the family traveled a lot, mainly through Latin America. As a result, her English did have a Spanish tinge to it, and she was self-conscious about it.
[quote]In the '80s, she had the best career out of any film actress (yes, including Saint Meryl). I adore her. She should've won the Oscar for Peggy Sue Got Married.
bitch please, I had 6 nominations in the 80's! She had 1!
She's very blunt and not terribly gracious backstage. But she's a pro and she's not lazy or vain.
I've worked with her.
She did a wonderful job in Peggy Sue. I think Nick Cage's dreadful performance dragged down the movie as a whole and probably ruined her chances of a win.
She's a tewiffic actwess. Don't take my word for it--ask her!
Ha! I'm skinnier and prettier than both of these wilted roses.
well articulated r46, couldn't agree with you more about the Whose Afraid Of Virginia Woolf revival.
I was especially surprised that Bill Irwin got away with such a cliched, mincing performance that completely missed the "music" of Albee's writing and was in every respect obvious and unimaginative.
Equally mystified by Albee's endorsement of the production. I heard him say with my own ears he hadn't seen it "done better" and I know from past dealings with him he is very outspoken and uncompromising abou casting.
I do know he saw Irwin [who is an extremely nice and agreeable man] in a Beckett piece and immediately extrapolated from that performance hw would be a perfect George. Many people agreed, r46 and I are definitely in the minority.
Turner wasn't much better and the only aspects of Martha she understood were the sloppy, broadest moments. Both of them seemed to miss the humor and the sexuality between the characters.
Having said that Kathleen is a pretty cool lady. She can be decidedly uncool also but that is often because of alcohol and whatever drugs she takes for the RA.
The more she drinks and or the more insecure she is feeling in any given situation the more crazy the stuff that comes out of her mouth.
She has no business believing, for instance, that she is fixing any of Elizabeth Taylors performances. Taylor having been a far superior Maggie and Martha on film anyway.
As r46 writes, she has no subtext onstage and her appeal was always her manufacgtured persona and the balls it takes to pull something that far out off.
I heard her tell a table of people that Liz Taylor sucked as Martha because she "had no voice NO VOICE" she proclaimed without expanding on what she meant.
but ten minutes later insisted she had never seen Taylors performance. So go figure, she claimed she hadn't seen anyone do Martha before she did it which probably isn't true but she should have gone to the performing arts library to listen to Uta Hagen as a guideline.
OFFSTAGE HOWEVER, Kathleen Turner is a fascinating person, intelligent [she will be the first to tell you] politically active [she will be the first to tell you how much] and has a great sense of humor.
I've liked her a lot forever and I love that, although it's certainly not been her choice to age the way she has, she doesn't try to create the illusion she's still young and glamorous, like say, Cher or Jessica Lange or almost everyone else from her generation in Hollywood.
I agree, R68. You do have to give Kathleen a lot of credit for basically just saying "fuck it" when her looks went and continuing to act and find roles that were appropriate for her age and appearance. Most actresses who were that drop-dead gorgeous and then aged as hard as Turner did would have lost their minds and become crazy recluses. Kathleen seems to have taken it in stride and moved on and made the best of it. I like her for that.
[quote]She has no business believing, for instance, that she is fixing any of Elizabeth Taylors performances. Taylor having been a far superior Maggie and Martha on film anyway.
Elizabeth Taylor could not act her way out of Minnie Mouse cartoon (a character she should have played with that tiny whiny voice of hers)
She was truly awful on both roles and her performances are laughable.
Turner was awesome in VW and got all of the nuance.
I don't think Turner was ever ultra-invested in her looks. Otherwise, she wouldn't have risked them by doing as many of her own stunts as she could. Her nose was noticeably broader after VI Warshawski as she broke it while doing a stunt on that film.
R70 = Kathleen Turner
I'm a longtime fan but I know she has been an alcoholic, I hope she is winning the battle.
She continues to drink.
"very affected" sums her up for me.
Katherine Hepburn, Bette Davis, Roz Russell, Marilyn Monroe, etc,etc, none of them at all "affected"
How many cigarettes does Kathleen smoke in the course of a day? Her voice is deeper than a man's at this point.
I LOVED her in "The Perfect Family" with Emily Deschanel!
She was HUGE in the early to mid 80s between body heat and peggy sue. Maybe up until war of the roses. The second coning of lauren bacall. Gorgeous with that distinctive husky voice. Crimes of passion is hysterical and is my favorite. Has to be seen to be believed. She soooooo wanted that oscar for peggy sue. The look on her face says it all. Like shes silently pleading and hoping. Then her face drops when william hurt announces marlee matlin the winner. Lol
She surpassed one-trick pony Bacall.
r67, thanks for agreeing with me about Turner not playing subtext! I've seen her onstage twice, in VA WOOLF, and in, what was the name of that Jean Cocteau thing with Turner and Eileen Atkins and Jude Law before he was famous and Roger Rees and Cynthia Nixon! INDISCRETIONS, that's it. Amazing cast, and each cast member was in a different play. Rees was in HAY FEVER. Law was in MARAT/SADE. Atkins was in LOOT. Turner was in PICNIC. And Nixon was in CLOSER. I wanted to see they play that Atkins was in, frankly. Turner has wattage, but no complexity. It's a bright bulb that casts no shadows.
R76, Bette Davis is mannered. Kathleen Turner is affected like she's doing an impression of a mannered actress.
Who saw her in 'High'? Her flat ass in those polyester pants and all that screaming. The fight scene with the young naked stud with the low hanging balls was the only saving grace in that dud.
What? Do we think of her?
We think of her. We think of her fondly.
I have to agree with r77 on her ever-deepening voice.
A couple of years ago, she did a voice over for TCM. When she said, "you're watching Turner Classic Movies," I had to hear it a few times before I realized it was her. I guess it goes back to so many of your "affected" comments.
When she was a student at SMS, now Missouri State University, she would do vocal exercises where you put an eraser in your throat. Or something like that. I was always too afraid I'd swallow....
I think you mean between her teeth.
R88 LOL Yes, I guess you are right!
Is she a transsexual? Or just an extremely butch lesbian?
If you ask me, she's over-weighted.
Bitch stole my voice!
Kathleen Turner is America's Glenda Jackson.
Bumping because of talk on the Angie Huston thread. She was a beauty in the 80s to early 90s and has real chops. I even enjoyed V.I. Warshawski.
Love this woman. She's been everything from a major movie star femme fatale, to first rate comedienne, to sex symbol to serious fucking stage actress to activist to someone who's gone to hell personally and come back punching.
And her Martha in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf was, in the word of Cherry Jones, when Cherry won the tony over Kathleen that season, "genius." Truly, Cherry, truly.
R11, Diane Wiest seems so lovely. I remember her mostly from her role in 'The Lost Boys'. She was the ideal mother figure, warm and sweet but with this quiet protective ferocity. Corey Haim once called her his 'second mom'.
Kathleen is awesome, she was spot-on as the HBIC and evil witch tyrant in 'A Simple Wish'.
I wish she did more campy villain stuff on tv.