I had my first snatch at the age of 45. Now, I sort of like it and have found myself trolling sites for F2Ms looking for a one night stand.
I am a Kinsey 6. No question. So, I find this odd. Anyone else ever get pussy that way and find it oddly inciting?
Weird. Dont most sleep with women?
[quote]I am a Kinsey 6.
Kinsey 7's will be out in October.
Much like the "gay but sometimes into pussy" EST, this. Never. Happened.
[quote]trolling sites for F2Ms l
Where? LOVE FtMs here... nothing like a hairy dude with a tight cunt.
I've only played with a couple of FtM guys.
Both of them had really smelly vaginas and bad breath. I guessed this has to do with their testosterone injections.
Anyone else have this experience?
I didn't say I WENT DOWN on him... I just fucked his pussy.
Anal is tighter than pussy, and it seems a lot of guys prefer anal to pussy. I did conducted research on this. Master's thesis.
I'm with r3. This is nothing but an excuse to create another tranny-bashing thread. Playing on the tired trope of the dont-trust-a-(insert the Other here) they're out to trick / fuck you and then you'll be 'changed' forever.
This meme had it's glory day during the McCarthy era and has it's root in typical homophobia and misogyny and dates back well into the 1920s.
OP I'll give you a 1 out of 5 stars for trolling.
but something erotic about the frontal into the hips. He really was able to grind it out in a different way than a power bottom even doing it cowboy.
Trollin, trollin, trollin...
Your damage is harsh and severe, R9. Nowhere in the OP is anything negative implied about anyone transgender.
And btw, I used the respectful neutral term f2m, not "tranny," which is as offensive and disrespectful as the n word, so get your own house in order before you accuse someone else of being bigoted and mean spirited.
You clearly have no idea how to have a civil discussion about anything interesting.... nor do you have any boundaries in respectful conversation, which call on everyone to confine their remarks to their own feelings and emotions - - and not to cast inference on someone else's motives.
I only discussed my own feelings, and never said anything else about anyone ... i simply asked if anyone had the same feelings I had.
You need counseling.
you of course and your hideous, bankrupt identity politics
BTW the testosterone injections that FTM's go through dry up the natural lubrication in the vagina as well as stopping periods, making penetration very painful.
Obvious Mormon troll.
that is interesting r13.
OP, "inciting" to what?
does no one tell these women?
I'm thinking these side effects must be a big suprise to ftm's.
who the fuck wants that
the majority of FtM's identify as straight men born into female bodies, and don't feel comfortable with the idea of being penetrated vaginally. I would think the (rare) FtM's that identify as gay men would still prefer to either top other men using a strap on, or be anally penetrated if they're bottoming for other men. even if you did find a FtM who wanted to both have sex with men and be vaginally penetrated, the T injections would dry things up down there so a lot of extra lubing and maintenance would be necessary for it to be a pleasant experience.
OTOH, I have heard straight men say they prefer pussy to anal with women because the vagina has evolved specifically for the purpose of cradling/gripping (or whatever) a penis and providing all the optimal sensations necessary to bring a man to orgasm, so *if* the OP's story is true then it'd make sense that he likes the sensation of pussy packaged in a masculine body.
Thank you, Paul Revere of the F2M @ r18.
An Especially Scintallating Tale.
Buck Angel is a porn star that caters to this fetish.
So OP's experience was the reverse of the young man's story in the Kinks' "Lola"?
does he 'scort?
R18 see my post at R13. A FTM's vagina no longer functions the same way once testosterone starts to kick in.
you are right, R24. It becomes Super Vagina.. more hairy and with a deeper voice and with a much higher bench press cap.
[quote]I am a Kinsey 6
No, you're a cliche.
I have a male friend who recently came out to me as transgender. He's not considering surgery (yet) and not even sure which gender he prefers sexually. He's never been with a man but he's open to the idea. Part of me thinks he'd be open to experimenting with me (the trusted gay friend) but I'm not sure how I'd make love to him as a woman. I confess I'm intrigued by the idea and think it could be a hot experiment for both of us.
It would just be for fun since ultimately I'm gay and attracted to men and he now identifies as a woman. But I'm turned on by the idea of playing "straight" with her. Anyone ever experience anything like this?
So what I take from this thread is that it's more fantasy than reality. I'd love to top a man with a pussy, but I guess it doesn't work that way.
Apparently pussy is only available with the drama and neediness attached.
[quote]Nowhere in the OP is anything negative implied about anyone transgender.
I think the keyword is 'duped', which most certainly does imply something negative.
[quote]I am a Kinsey 6. No question.
Clearly you're not if you like pussy.
It's like a straight guy saying he's completely straight, but trolling for MTF pre-ops because he loves dick.
r27, your post makes no sense. Especially this part:
"It would just be for fun since ultimately I'm gay and attracted to men and he now identifies as a woman."
You need a rewrite. Maybe take a class.
It makes sense, it's just not correct in punctuation and grammar but it's still easy to grasp.
However, we're going to throw the whole comment out until you master English and get back to us with a 100% grammatically correct sentence. Because we are tight asses.
R27, this thread is NOT for M2F... they are a different conversation and we dont care aobut your heterosexit crap
R33, go fuck yourself.
You aren't hall monitor nor does your penis measure up. So STFU.
There are plenty of transmen with vaginas who get fucked in their "front hole." Beware of anybody claiming to know what everybody else does.
R18, what statistics back up the claim that most F2Ms identify as "straight" men? Not bashing . . . just curious. The majority that of F2Ms that I know, identify as gay men/bi/pan..
Topping with a strap-on wouldn't really do much for the person wearing it, would it? How do FtMs get their rocks off- does the clitoris still function as usual?
"After being [bold]duped[/bold] into sex with a F2M recently..."
apparently you don't have balls either...
I've seen a F2M post on Adam4adam in a town that I travel to often for business, and I have considered sending him a message. He looks like a cute pint-sized cub. I've never been with a woman (beyond making out with one girl in HS), so I am slightly curious what sex feels like in the 'front hole'.
r37, the clit can rub against whatever is in front of it, in this case, the strap-on. So it will work.
"Duped into sex with a F2M"? Did you slip on a banana peel and fall into 'his' vag?
Ditto R40, you line it up so that there is rhythmic pressure as you push.
The op (and NOT the topic) is so CrEePy.
I have a dear friend who is FtM. He identifies as a gay man and we have played around a few times. He's a great guy and the sex is wonderful, if a bit different. Nothing confusing about it.
Ditto for the times I've fooled around with the couple of MtF friends I have. I've known them for years; they're good friends, wonderful people, and a lot of fun.
I would have thought we would have gotten a comment on "inciting" before r16.
Im a gay ftm and yeah, some other ftm's smell rank because the difference in how smelly you can get becomes very apparent when testosterone is introduced into the system. For health reasons though, I cannot go on T so the smell and the balding and the cancer risks are something that will pass me by.
Regarding vaginal sex, well, it just depends I guess. People are all different and have different levels of discomfort with that part of their bodies. Personally, I don't mind it (and have gotten no complaints on smell and clenliness ;)) although I do plan on top surgery.
r47 why not just think of yourself as a butch straight woman? you have female genitals, you're not on T, you're attracted to men, right?
If you feel like your breasts are wrong, and you want them cut off, isn't that internalized misogyny? I'm honestly trying to understand the mindset. Assuming there aren't underlying health issues with your breasts, I'm surprised that doctors are OK with just lopping them off because they feel 'wrong'. Isn't the point of the 'gay movement' to just be our truest selves as we are?
[quote] BTW the testosterone injections that FTM's go through dry up the natural lubrication in the vagina
No, they don't.
My FtM friend has neither a dry nor a particularly odorous vagina.
Another pre-T gay FTM here. I have also heard that the vagina can dry up after starting T. Frankly, I don't care because I prefer the back door. And if they shower daily and after working out, I don't think an FTM's junk would be smellier than anyone else who practices good hygiene. But perhaps someone who is already on T could shed more light on this rumor.
How does one get duped into having sex?
I would love to go down on some FTM pussy.
OP, if you find some FTM hook-up sites, please share.
The issue is much more complex than that R48 but i do get what you're saying. In a way, I agree and there is some definite misogny and self-loathing in the FTMcommunity. I just don't know how to describe it, it's this intense dysphoria akin to when an anorexic girl sees an obese monster when she's a step away from death.
Sites like gay.com offer the option of searching for ftm so I assume that others do the same.
If op wants to hook up with a ftm again why not make the original ftm his regular fuck buddy?
ftm's who are 'gay' are what we have been observing, and confused with, for years-- women who look and act butch but who are totally straight. It's a weird phenomenom.
I have had lesbian friends humiliated by these kinds after asking them out. Weirdly, these butch chicks are REALLY offended by lesbians!
And they are butcher than any dyke!
And you think they couldn't get any men but somehow they do. Often very [childish epithet posted by a bigoted tool] men with slight builds.
The fact is, some women have no femininity to them, and are not attractive females. When I say attractive, I mean personality, because that is all we have any control over. They are always bitter, mean, and rude to other women. They hate women. They are mysogynistic to other women.
So, these wierd women we use to see around are now 'transitioning,' because they hate anything female.
Yes, there are quite a few misogynists in the FTM community and the majority of them are those who identify as straight. Chaz Bono is an example to some degree. I have also encountered quite a few homophobes in the community which surprised me as most straight FTMs come from the lesbian community. As for myself, I love women (platonically) but I don't feel like one even though I possess a vag. You can't paint everyone with the same brush, r56.
What makes you think that you don't "feel like a woman"?
[quote][childish epithet posted by a bigoted tool]
OT, but is this intentional or some new form of redtag the Webmaster jerry-rigged up? Allow me to test by attempting to type and post the five-letter word that should go here: faggy.
I don't think that's the word, R59
You mean you don't feel like what society says a woman should be? You were born a woman, so whatever you feel is what a woman feels.
R62 was in reference to R59.
My ex used to say that nothing felt better than a pussy. He was with woman until his mid-twenties. He said he's ideal sexual partner would be a young, handsome man, with a tight hole, and wet pussy.
And he was totally gay. He said he only fucked woman because it felt so damn good.
[quote]My ex used to say that nothing felt better than a pussy.
Been there, done that. Gays who claim to like pussy because it "feels good" have masculinity issues, plain and simple. It's less "faggy" to claim you're turned on by a hot, wet snatch than a tight twink butthole.
[quote]I just don't know how to describe it, it's this intense dysphoria akin to when an anorexic girl sees an obese monster when she's a step away from death
Thanks for your candor in admitting this. Though your anorexia analogy would suggest that deep down you know there's something wrong with hating your female body.
why does somehting fun like male fucking have to turn into some mysangist discussion of female body image... *barf*
What is this "mysangist" business? Some kind of DL joke? Surely you know that is not a word.
R68, it's a DL joke indeed -- I think it originated in one of the Michfest threads a few years back -- but I think the work mysandry (sp?) actually exists, as the opposite of misogyny.
68 & 69 = most popular couple on the lesbian party circuit. A ROARING BLAST at all thne best parties.
Do we know that OP is male?
[quote]You mean you don't feel like what society says a woman should be? You were born a woman, so whatever you feel is what a woman feels.
R65, he is totally out and gay. He never said pussy turns him on in some fake, trying too hard way. He just said it felt amazing. So amazing, he was able to get it up, even though he had no attraction whatsoever to females.
My FtM friend doesn't appear to have any misogyny issues, though I didn't know him before he transitioned. He's always just been another one of my gay guy friends, most of whom I've fooled around with at one point or another.
I never thought I was having sex with a woman or "Ooh, look at me, I'm a real man now fucking a pussy." That sounds ridiculous, quite frankly.
The fundamental issue that people don't get about trans people is this: They already ARE the gender they "switching" to. Most have felt and identified as that gender inside since they could think about themselves as any gender at all. So to say they're 'becoming', 'switching', etc. f or m is not really accurate - they already ARE that. It is people on the outside who are learning about their true gender for the first time, not the trans person.
This thread is absolutely not what I thought it would be when I clicked on it.
I understand your point, r75, but if that's the case, why bother with hormones/surgery?
Why not just be "a man in a woman's body" (or vice versa), without the need to alter anything? Hormones/surgery don't really change anything; they just kind of provide a temporary illusion. The 'pregnant man' is a good example.
I'm not saying biology is destiny, i'm saying biology/genetics can't really be changed even though we really want to believe in it.
[quote] Why not just be "a man in a woman's body" (or vice versa)
Could YOU live like that, with the outside not aligned with the inside?
[quote]Why not just be "a man in a woman's body" (or vice versa)
you are too stupid to live, R77
Is Buck Angel the only FtM porn actor out there? I thought there was at least one other one, but I don't remember the name.
R77, why don't Men walk around in corsets and high heels from birth till death- fucking idiot.
r77: You're not trans, you don't know so just shut up.
I have a few trans acquaintances. One of my best friend transitioned a few years ago. It was a little surprising to us at first because he kept it well hidden and tried to fit as best as he could as a lesbian. But after the transition it made sense that this person had always been a man. He came out of his shell after the surgery and the facial hair came in at full strength, his body changed and his soul was at peace. You can't know how much happier, healthier , calmer and much more stable he seemed. He lives a good life dating living and being a great person overall.
It makes a difference and it is absolutely necessary for some people.
Me too, R76.
Thanks to all the transpeople for their candour here. I've gained some insight.
It's also nice to see some trans discussion on DL. Normally the only trans "topic" here is whether B or T has any place at the LG rights table (something I've never doubted). As a gay man, I've often been distressed by some of the bigoted comments expressed here on [italic]that[/italic] subject
But I digress.
[quote]Could YOU live like that, with the outside not aligned with the inside?
Isn't the idea of being 'aligned' socialized? You have to be taught from the outside that there's something wrong with you, something not 'aligned'. Until you start being taught that, there's really nothing 'wrong' with you. other cultures have had room for a 'third sex' (ie between both). that seems a more honest solution that telling people they can 'transition', when biologically/genetically they don't. As someone upthread admitted, there's a lot of misogyny in the FTM movement.
[quote]why don't Men walk around in corsets and high heels from birth till death- fucking idiot.
for the ones who want to, rock on.
Your ideas seem to be based on very rigid gender stereotypes. DId you grow up in a very conservative/religious home?
r77, You are trans? Yes/no?
[quote]Why not just be "a man in a woman's body" (or vice versa)
On this point, I have tried to make this work. It is a nice theory but we just don't live in the kind of society where a person of trans status can live that way and be "visible". I have tried telling my friends and family that I am a man despite my biological body being defined as female and requested that people call me with male pronouns. Most have not been able to get it right 100% of the time. They still me see as a "woman" by times although they claim otherwise. They don't mistake Brad Pitt or their uncle or even a male pet for a female so there is no other explanation.
The ONLY way to experience my life as a man is to transition. People will just never accept that I am a man in a female body and treat me as a man. Not in the world we live in today. Is it possible in the future? I hope so. I am pre-op and pre-T but I do pass sometimes, I use the Men's Room about half the time now but those brief moments of male identity are not enough for me. Humans are social creatures and we have a need inside for our identity to be validated. A part of that is gender identity. To have the most authentic experience in life, one most put their true self forward and living as a woman would always feel like a fundamental lie to me.
Why do you need people to be see you as a man? Can't you just be yourself?
That's kind of the point. I am a man but my body betrays me. Maybe one of the other FTMs can explain it better than I can.
anyone who begins any comment with "why cant you...." is nothing but an agent of the status quo attempting to frame a conversation in a way that makes the subjugated party feel beholden to remain enslaved... usually, and clearly in this case, to the matriarchal hegemony.
r90, what about 'remaining enslaved' to stereotypical gender norms, so much so that you're willing to stress your liver with hormones and mutilate functional genitals in order to obey their rules and definitions about gender?
I would do a cost analysis on how much transition would be, and if it was worth it.
Aside from the testosterone and breast removal, one must figure in employment issues (you may never be accepted in a professional community, or even lose your jobs) to difficulties in finding housing.
Also, like the above poster mentioned, your liver will most certainly pay a price which will in turn damage your eyesight and weaken your immune system.
Get ready for some debilitating illnesses.
If one sat down and really figured in these life long costs I suspect most would not transistion. We will all be downsizing our lives in the future and one must be pragmatic.
Don't people remember a F2M pornstar? Didn't he/she/wahtever liked being fucked by men on camera? If the testosterone dried up the lubrication, et. al and fucking was painful, why did the bitch like it so much?
Well, I don't really think the people who have sex on camera really like what they are doing. It's a show. Not real.
[quote]The ONLY way to experience my life as a man is to transition.
You are holding up 'transitioning' as a solution to the dislocation you currently feel. Just be aware going into it that for many people it ends up not being quite the solution they envisioned/expected.
Chaz Bono is a very self-centered and egotistical person to exclaim herself the face of transmen.
Given that she will inherit millions--maybe hundreds of millions--Chaz will not have to worry about employment and housing. And after her liver and kidneys poop out she will get the very best of care.
Chaz has the luxury of making activism her career because she is a spoiled rich girl. She does not have to relate the problems with standing on your feet all day at a cash register, and how testosterone makes her fatigued/cranky/angry. Hell, she doesn't even feel compelled to lose weight, that's how easy her life is.
If you think yourself ftm please disregard anything Chaz Bono has to say. She's not real.
[quote] If the testosterone dried up the lubrication, et. al and fucking was painful, why did the bitch like it so much?
It doesn't dry up the lubrication. I've been on testosterone for 12 years and I still get very wet when excited.
R98 you have to remember hormones affect everyone differently.
I'm a little confused as to the protest in this thread. I assume it comes from lesbians, as they are the ones who have the biggest problems with ftms.
Most gay guys dont give a fuck.
OP is your name "ThunderKat" by any chance?
Is your name "clit lips" R100
Um, R100? Since OP ISN'T FTM, it's doubtful that his name is ThunderKat.
no r86, I'm not trans. are you? I'm homo.
I appreciate the candor of all the trans people here. I wish I could believe that 'transitioning' makes it all better. Based on 2 people whose cases I know, it doesn't.
R102? I think I know you. You DO have a distinctive style of posting
R103 I know it's very difficult to understand. Honestly, I feel that many people in the trans community try to hush hush a lot of discussion about what exactly Gender Identity Disorder (GID) means and how much societal roles and expectations factor into this.
There are people who regret transition and there are those who do it as a fad. However, in my experience, those people tend to be overwhelmingly in the minority and most transitioners need to take those physical steps and be recognized socially as the gender they perceive themselves to be for their own peace of mind.
Honestly, I don't get hung up on not being able to go on T or having breasts (yes, they are breasts not "chesticles" or some bullshit like that) so, in a way, I am living with my body and identifying as male. I am not "butchering" my body (although I would prefer smaller breasts, they're already small enough and I'm not keen on the expensive surgery or the scars) and I am not ingesting dangerous chemicals and killing my liver (health conditions would not permit me to do so anyway).
Why not just live and let live? I don't understand everyones choices in this world, but I try to respect them as best I can (as long as no one is being hurt).
I need a certain poster to "Oh, dear." me right now :)
are any of you FTMs under 30 and looking for a masc older white husbear?
We talking sizemeat here R106? ;)
r105 i really appreciate your input. I wish you peace of mind, however you find it.
Well, my husband is going to divorce me so I might be on the market soon R106. I am 28.
R104/105 = ThunderKat.
Err R110 I sgned my post "ThunderKat" xD
R111 = ThunderKat.
I'd like to be treated like a man, too -- I mean, men get more respect, people actually listen to what they have to say (even when they're full of shit), men get more pay for the same work, they get deference from women -- hell, what self-respecting lesbian wouldn't want that??
But I would never, ever, ever want a penis. They're disgusting.
Agreed. I'd like the same respect as a man without actually having to be one.
[quote]I'd like the same respect as a man without actually having to be one.
Right on, sister!
And I'd like the same respect as a [italic]straight[/italic] man without actually having to be one.
I feel very sorry for f2m. It must be a living hell.
But every ftm I've met acts like a cocksure jerk...worse than most cis males.
I don't have time to read this entire thread, but thought I would add my 2 cents.
A good friend of mine's, (who is about as queeny as they come), boyfriend is an F2M who still has a vagina, and he loves fucking him. He loves eating him out and making him cum multiple times. I have listen and hear all the sordid details.
[quote]It doesn't dry up the lubrication. I've been on testosterone for 12 years and I still get very wet when excited.
You must be the exception, not the rule. Most FTM's have had a similar experience of losing lubrication in the vagina after testosterone treatment.
R114 = ThunderKat
Please enlighten me on your sources of this drying up story your telling because I'm pretty sure we tend to become wetter on T than off due to increased sex drive. Also some guys who opt for bottom surgery partially Meta cum from their cocks. So please enlighten me about this whole drying up business. [R119]
Wow, came across this thread, lots of you are completely uneducated and disgusting.
I'm FTM with surgery, and T, and I am much, much happier than I was before I transitioned. I knew I was male internally, and now that the outside matches the inside to my satisfaction, I'm happy.
I have no real preference to who I have sex with, gender/sex wise, and have no problems with natural lubrication. There is no change in odour or hygeine - I've always taken good care of myself, and am a clean individual.
If there's anything anyone wants to know or argue with me (because you'll lose, thanks to being uneducated and inexperienced due to NOT being FTM), let me know.
I have a close friend who is FtM and we've had sex. There is definitely no problem with "dryness" and he loves getting fucked.
R122, the ones talking the most shit are the ones who are the most curious about sex with a FtM.
A few years ago I was surfing for porn when I came upon a picture that rocked my world. I dont know if it was photoshoped or not, but it was of a muscular, naked blonde young man and between his legs he had a vagina. Instant boner. I knew there was a little bi in me because I sometimes beat off to straight porn and pussy, and I have always been a top. I had seen pictures of M2F and cross dressers before but they never appealed to me mostly because the girls were often so trashy looking and kind of skanky. This one was different. Ive looked for more pictures of this guy since then, but have found none making me think that it probably was a work of Photoshop (the picture was obviously a professionally taken one, not something amateur) But it was a real awakening for me. There was this whole other sexuality running in me and I had no idea it had been there.
OP = 4channer
r122, you say you are female to male. then you talk about no problem with lubrication. You no longer have a vagina, right? You have a penis now, right?
Since when do male genitalia self-lube?
r123 you say you have sex with a female to male and there is no problem with dryness.
You are having sex with a person who traded a vagina for a penis.
Are both of you confused?
R127, a FtM usually still has a vagina even after transition. Surgery to construct a penis is expensive and not perfected.