Modern Family is truly an awful depiction of gay men.
I've never watched it before tonight, watching a rerun and 5 minutes into it. They've completely stereotyped the gay couple.
Unclench your ass, OP. What's the matter, do you hate it that they didn't cast two pretty boys as the gays?
How clever of you to make a judgment call after watching only five minutes! You're one sharp cookie!
And the straight couples aren't stereotyped?
Mitchell obviously hates Cam, their whole partnership makes no sense. There is never any indication that Mitchell finds any of Cam's quirky personality cute or loveable. Instead, we get eyerolls over and over and his annoying Gay Voice.
Agreed, OP. So sick of str8s telling me I just HAVE to see this show, it's sooo hilarious! I've tried it more than once snd found it tiresome and clichéd. Just another piss-poor sitcom with gay characters that I feel no connection to...
Really, R5? you need some new friends.
The show's been on for what, three years? Won how many Emmys?
And yet this brilliant cultural detective has just discovered it in time to make a simpering snide critique.
Tell us your thoughts on That newfangled Facebook, oh wise one!
[quote] They've completely stereotyped the gay couple.
They often reverse the stereotypes though, which is quite funny.
(Generally, not that funny a show).
I love the gay couple. Can't stand the straight married ones with the three kids. Especially the father. He's so corny he makes me cringe with second hand embarrassment.
I agree OP, it's the stereotypical weak fairies. I have no problem with the actors not being A&F models. I have a problem with the characters that scream and flail their arms at the littlest things. The Cam character is exactly what straights thinks gays are. The instant crying, the over the top pansyisms. I also enjoy that 41 year old never married Eric Stonestreet says that he based his character on his Mother. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
Once again fuck you Will Truman loving assimilationists.
There is nothing wrong with pansyism as you put it. I love it. It's gender fuck par excellance.
You obviously think gay people should be depicted as straight people who just happen to suck cock.
Well it ain't all like that sister...and you self-hating bitchiness is just another example of the prevalent homophobia that persists in our society.
And as a previous poster said everyone is mocked in that show...get over your straight ass
r5, I've found that "You just HAVE to watch Modern Family!", when said to gays, is the new "I've watched Queer as Folk!" or "You don't like 'Will and Grace'? I watch it all the time!" when it comes to straights letting us know that they "get" us.
[quote]You obviously think gay people should be depicted as straight people who just happen to suck cock.
No Dear, I think gay people should be depicted as real people. Born and raised in NY, have lots of gay friends. Some smart, some funny, some kinda crazy and none cry on a dime or run around flailing their arms. These two characters are sad cliches and exactly want the straight world think we are.
Stepin' Fuckin' Fetchit Faggots, but, unlike the model, without the least hint of a sometimes subversive streak.
Watching a dog scoot on its hind legs wiping his dirty ass on the carpet for half an hour would be
more entertaining than any part of this show, but the cliched simpering, hysterical faggots are a disgrace.
I only like gay storylines when the actors playing the gays are hot.
What do you like OP Noah's Ark?
What R13 said.
I'm not expecting the guys to be anything but real. Their coupling doesn't seem very real to me. And I'm not being anti-anything. I just think they've been neutered and oversimplified so as to be unthreatening to straights.
And as someone mentioned upthread, unless they said "these two are partners" I would get no sense that they are attracted to each other or that there was any sort of connection.
Of course, I also feel that way about Jay and Gloria, and for the same reasons - I seldom see the love between them and Gloria is seldom more than a punchline.
The two I believe when they are on screen are Phil and Claire.
A convincing, real gay couple with all their flaws and quirks can be done. These two, sorry, are not selling it.
The father is played by Ty Burr, r9. He is very talented and is open about his bisexuality. See interview at link.
Who dear? Me dear? Gay dear? NO! Dear!
Ty Burrell, r18, and we're still waiting for that link where he talks about his bisexuality.
[quote]Born and raised in NY
Well, that's your problem right there, r13.
[quote] gay characters that I feel no connection to...
Do you think all gay people have some common connection just because they are gay and you are gay?
[quote]Well, that's your problem right there
Judgmental much? No it's not my problem because I run into a myriad of gay people from all over the country, if not the world, and none of them act like stereotype of Mitchell & Cam.
Ty Burrell as a student back in the day; great legs...I'll say that much
Thanks for the link where Ty Burr discusses his bisexuality.
They are the ugliest gay [male] couple I've ever seen.
Here's why this show is fucking awful.
Cam and Mitch having a second child was a major storyline.
It got turned into a goofy tellanovella.
Okay - it was kind of funny.
But this very emotional story was played for laughs, and ended up with...Gloria being pregnant.
What the fuck?
Consider than already they had a story where Mitch didn't give Lily her father's last name!
This show is bullshit. The end.
Here's a link where Ed O'Neill discusses his homosexuality.
You don't get a successful comedy show by showing regular people doing regular stuff. You need stereotypes reacting to hilarity ensues situations.
Any couple with two men or two women as part of a larger family unit is rare on TV, but they are generally stereotypical so the audience is always aware they are watching "gay people."
During times of not being sexually active, by choice or not, gay people are expected to discuss their personal sexual interests at any time, in any setting.
"I'm not getting any lately, but when things pick up, it will still be a member of my own gender, fyi."
The interest isn't mutual...
Here's a link where Ty Burrell talks about giving Ed blowjobs between takes.
Is no one familiar with the premise of sitcoms? Were the characters on Friends not all stereotypes of some sort? Is there really a Jenna from 30 Rock out there dating her drag impersonator? If you read any books about writing sitcoms they pretty much state implicitly that sitcom characters stereotypes and caricatures. Otherwise the inane situations they get in wouldn't make sense. Calm the fuck down and watch CNN if you want realism.
"Their relationship doesn't make sense. They don't like each other."
Ralph and Alice Kramden
Lucy and Ricky
Archie and Edith
Sam and Diane
Fran and Mr. Sheffield
Sitcom relationships thrive on conflict. It's actually pretty revolutionary to see the loudmouth emotional/ sarcastic wise cracking dynamic with gay men. Esp. since Cam is definitely the Lucy of the relationship but he's built like Ralph Kramden. I personally want to be treated by the media/culture just like our straight counterparts and that's exactly what's happening on Modern Family.
Oh hooray, another herd of apologays.
You're so defensive, OP, it's really sad and tired, and if you are R13 you're really taking this waaay to seriously. The problem is you - and the R13 claim "I'm from New York and know diverse gay people" is obnoxious.
The entire family is a parody of modern families, including the straight families. It's called a comedy. Both JTF's character and his sister are supposed to be spoiled difficult people who are lucky to be married and loved. That's the point of the show.
And if you don't think there are significant numbers of gay men like this you're nuts. The ones who have become as bad as straight people thinking their kids are adorable? And gay couples who don't act like they're in love? You're delusional if you think these guys don't exist. As part of a couple often grouped with other couples, being around them can be awkward and painful.
One more tip - if you actually watch the show, it may never be fitting to your sense of humor (which is questionable at this point). But if you don't find Eric Stonestreet's Cam lovable and see him as both embracing and challenging stereotypes, something is wrong with you
To some of you - simply UNCLENCH.
Comedies that show the lives of any normal people - straight or gay - are boring. Eccentricity is more amusing.
Totally agree OP. It's desperately unfunny 1950s fairy shit. The UK comedy show Gimme Gimme Gimme had equally cheap writing with a fey gay character, but with none of the stereotyping...
I know more gay men like Cam and Mitchell than not. And let me tell you, they're flesh and blood and human, unlike that hateful Jack on Will & Grace so many people around here used to love.
Are the actors gay? People are all different. I don't watch the show but couldn't there be a ay couple like this? Do you ever think straight men felt offended while watching Two and a Half men?
Over the course of three seasons there have been many different nuances of the Cam and Mitchell relationship revealed. They finished off the season's bittersweet finale episode with a tender scene together.
Actually I'd suggest that often Datalounge is a truly awful depiction of gay men.
it's just lame, that's why i hate it. It's fine to laugh at gay people/ourselves. As long as it's funny. This show is trying too hard to be clever, like the writers really want the cool kids to laugh so they'll like you.
And that pretentious shaky camera thing is so tired, so Lars von Trier wannabee.
that's what makes it funny you idiot lol
I simply can't get into this show. I've tried.
neither myself nor any of my gay friends are reflected on this show. just awful gay stereotypes perpetuated
It's so clearly hateful, OP. Especially considering Sofia Vergara's groundbreaking portrayal of a realistic, intelligent Latina, or Julie Bowen's sensitive and sympathetic depiction of a modern wife and mother.
I just watched a clip of the show after reading this and I couldn't agree with the OP more. You see shit like that and it's no wonder why people hate us.
Not everyone can be a meth-addicted, PnP pig bottom petri dish circuit queen like you, OP.
It's a terrific show, worthy of its many Emmys.
Hell no they're not like real gay guys, they're not racist, they don't hate women and refer to them as cunts and bitches.
Modern Family is for the straights. Assimilationist drivel that makes them feel like "everyone just wants/needs the same things deep down inside".
It's also very heteronormative despite the gay couple. Hate it.
r52 I don't watch the show. In which way is it heteronormative??
Well, for starters it places the nuclear family at the centre of all existence.
It's all about monogamy and crotch droppings, proving we're just like the frauen deep down inside.
At least the gay couple is not obsessed with sex and muscles like most gay men here!
r54 But a lot of gay men are boring and monogamous.
Yes, R56, there are boring people in the world. I am not interested in watching tv sitcoms devoted to them.
You say you don't watch this program either, so I am a bit baffled by your defence of its representations. Perhaps you are a frau, yourself.
r57 Not a frau, just don't like those that imply all gay men are promiscuous.
Let's see.... Cam has played sports, worked on a farm, is happy, often funny, and loved by his nieces and nephews, who he often gives really good advice and lets them know he's looking out for them, in most cases without ratting them out to their parents.
Such a stereotype and loathe-worthy.
R41 is dead on. DL is a textbook of gay stereotypes of the worst kind.
No wonder Cam hits a nerve.
Ed O'Neill playing a gay, All Bundy-esque DILF would have been hotter.
The gay guys I know in my community are all sleeping around with each other and gossiping about each other behind their backs. That's when they're not acting like some exclusive club of high school girls. So, yeah, in that respect it is an inaccurate depiction of gay men. At least the ones I know.
The red haired gay can't stand the large gay. That they're in a relationship just fails to track, in every scene, in every episode. I think I gave MF up a couple of eps into its second season. I couldn't take the illogic.
I've tried to watch the show. I don't find it funny at all. I rather watch MTM or GG or All in the Family or Lucy reruns. I find those shows, especially the latter three LOL funny. Others probably wouldn't find them funny. To each his own.
It's that the actors have no chemistry and Mitchell seems to loathe Cam. Throw in a little girl playing their daughter who can't fucking act to save her life and it's a mess.
Is Eric Stonestreet into homosex?
Everything about that fucking show is repulsive.
Sorry but Cam is the funniest character on TV, and Stonestreet is a riot to me. It is a classic comedic performance.
Can we get back to discussing Ty Burrell's bisexuality? I wanna know more.....
I first noticed Burrell in the Dawn of the Dead remake and was sure he was gay.
Also, he is looking very ashen and unwell this season.
Has Stonestreet ever presented hole on screen?
Those two stole our act. What goes around comes around, I guess.
I totally thought Burell was gay in the "Dawn of the Dead" remake as well but his character was supposed to be straight. It was unconvincing.
That young child who plays Lily is a scream! What amazing star quality!
So tired of effem gay dude depictions.
LOL. As if there is any way to make gay behavior seem normal or good? Sure.
Yeah, we'd be far better off with:
Gay #1 Muscle Mary, encyclopedic knowledge of porn stars (shows human side by weeping when one them ODs in a Nebraska motel room,) thinks cheating should be called winning, only attracted to guys fifteen years younger than himself, loves the challenge and excitement of hunting for different hot, white, hung, masculine guys to get off with, circuit parties.
His Partner: PhDiva (old Hollywood to Gaga), the warmth and compassion of R1, early hook up App adopter, likes sex in the gym sauna (and anything else sex positive,) believes anything that limits his fun is a heteronormative construct, small meth thing (Thursday through Sunday)
In episode one they're arrested for having sex on the balcony of a cruise ship!
[quote] In episode one they're arrested for having sex on the balcony of a cruise ship!
I know you're joking, but that sounds like a hilarious idea for a sitcom.
It's art imitating life... every example I pulled in jest, I pulled from threads here.
I'd watch it, R78
I see that Eric Stonestreet and Jessie Tyler Ferguson are doing a brief PR tour in April. They're appearing at the Keswick theater in Philly next week. Seems odd they need to be bothered with this since I am sure they are making good money on MF.
Here is the description:
Modern Family’s Jesse Tyler Ferguson (Mitch) and Eric Stonestreet (Cameron) provide an intimate glimpse into the happenings behind-the-scenes, cast discussions, and an extensive Q&A session with the audience.
An interactive, live talk show, described by Jesse Tyler Ferguson as similar to “us being in your living room” (Tampa Bay Times).
The live show is an ideal experience for die-hard fans who wish to connect with the cast members that they have grown to love and get the opportunity to have face-time that television screens simply cannot provide.
The diverse and eccentric nature of the show also gives the audience a chance to relate to Modern Family’s characters. The cast identifies with their viewers through the tumultuous relationships, complicated, and sometimes comedic circumstances that come with having a family.
The panel has also become a platform for significant social impact. Jesse Tyler Ferguson and Eric Stonestreet’s portrayal of a gay couple has helped establish them as role models for gay couples nationwide (The Tampa Tribune).
These performances generate buzz amongst the most enthusiastic of fans, while giving the cast a little “ego-boost”. The events are essentially “pep rallies” for dedicated watchers that simultaneously assist in helping build the Modern Family brand.
Please note there is an 8 ticket limit for all of our events unless otherwise noted. For groups more than 8, please contact our Group Sales Department at 215-572-7650.
Persons under 16 must be accompanied by a parent, guardian or approved chaperone.
I used to feel this way about the show, but I've come to love it...they're all ridiculous caricatures.
I'm especially loving clueless straight white family guy Phil Dunphy lately.
Lily is given some of the best lines on the show - sometimes she acts as a stand-in for a 40-something bitchy gay man.
I liked the recent episode with Mitch and Cam at a restaurant, trying to have a couples' night but putting certain topics off the table, and ending up having nothing to talk about. It's something I'm sure many straight couples can relate to, and I think that's what I like about the depiction - they may not be the most "realistic" of gay couples (just like Lily is a stand-in, they're more of a stand-in for an old married couple like Fred and Ethel Mertz), but they are shown as a couple with typical relationship problems, warts and all, rather than a glossy J.Crew ad.
Will there ever be a surprise anal storyline?
I just visited a Facebook fan page for a tv show that includes gay characters, and they don't shy away from kissing or bed scenes either. Anyway.. you have no idea what the homophobic bigots on Facebook said.. "I'm not homophobic! I just don't like to see guys kissing!!! I watch Modern Family because I think they're hilarious, and they never kiss!!!" fucking hell.. pander to homophobes and this is what you get.
Ty Burr is gay.
Gay male characters on network TV do not have testicles. I'm convinced of this. They are sexless creatures. I wish they would reveal this with the gay characters. That would explain why gay characters do not show affection to each other.
R88, it's weird, because it's the opposite with lesbians.. nudity, kissing, sex scenes.. all pretty common and accepted. But when it comes to gay men? Nah. The only acceptable way to depict gay men is to have them as neutered, sexless creatures. It's sad.
Yep, you're right, R89.
I watched an old one last night, Jay was hanging out with Mitch and Cam and all their gay friends (including Nathan Lane) and was having a lot of fun with them. Mitch felt like he could never just be himself around his father and then found out that he could. It kind of reminds me of my relationship with my dad.
[quote]they're all ridiculous caricatures.
Exactly. The female characters are far worse stereotypes; shrill, emotional, petty and shallow. But you'll never hear a Datalounger fret about the portrayal of women on MF.
It's a sitcom. Not a documentary.
Will anyone be attending their 2 man show?
They are awful depiction of gay men because they are gay male couple who is sexless and show no affection to each other. That's the real reason.
it's a sitcom. They're supposed to be caricatures. Watch Looking for a more realistic and in depth take on gay men.
You made your point, R94.
Good. Thank you.
I had quite an interesting day your lordship, though there weren't quite enough of "our sort" about.
I agree with some posters that Mitch and Cam are an odd couple. They both seem like bottoms to me.
For those that don't like the depiction of gays by these two, I think the characters were written so that Middle America would know they were gay. It's not like being Black or Asian or old (Jay) and youngish and hot (Gloria) - things that can be SEEN.
If MF's gays were played by Gabriel Macht and Patrick whatsisname from Suits, MA wouldn't be able to tell they were gay.
It's not about sterotypes; it about being able to differentiate. I don't think harm/outrage was intended.
I Find the Show Funny, Sorry
I know Cam is the more fluttery one, but him being a sports nut and a former farm boy, I kind of picture him as the top.
But really, not all gay couples are into sexual intercourse, so maybe they are mutually oral with each other, and thus no one is the top or bottom.
Or maybe they're versatile. Or maybe Mitch is the top.